>Bosses are immune to status effects
>Regular enemies too weak to justify using them
>Bosses aren't immune to status effects
>Status effect spells also do great damage
Why don't games other than SMT do this?
Are there any series other than Etrian Odyssey and Mystery Dungeon games where status effects work on bosses and actually fucking matter
People harp on FFXIII but it actually had a pretty great battle system
>>320994597
>boss fucks your whole team with every possible status effect
>>320994597
>mfw play through all RPGs without using mana potions or magic or status effects or buffs
>confused party members can fully heal bosses
>>320994881
FFIV for the DS, if I'm not mistaken. The bosses are pretty puzzle-like due to that.
Its a pretty mediocre FF aside form that, though.
>>320994881
A number of bosses in Stella Glow. There are a couple that have full immunity, but the majority only have selective immunity - like immunity to status that would prevent them from moving or taking action, but can still be hit with burns, poison, or ATK/DEF/SPD down.
>>320994862
FF13 did it
>>320994597
>game let you level up multiple options
>life
>mana
>evade
>damage
>luck
>magic damage
>resistance
>the only options worth it are life and damage because enemies do a lot of damage and battles end in less than 3 turns
>Instant kill power
>Boss is immune
>Boss will liberally use it against you
>If the party leader takes a hit it's game over
>>320994597
Don't forget mob's Status Effect Attach Rate on you is 100% but your Attach Rate to them is about 0.000000001%.
PSO2 did status effects against bosses properly.
Too bad all the trash mobs die so quickly that status effects are otherwise worthless.
>Status effects can miss
It's acceptable when the enemy has a particular resistance to a certain status effect, though.
>Boss is you from the future trying to stop you from killing him on the past
>>320995626
What if it just misses?
>>320995423
>Instant Kill power
>Boss opens with it
>If you're at a certain level it hits
>enemies can open doors
>chests are monsters
>>320995423
>any party members hit permanently die.
>enemy chases you
>enemy keeps chasing you to the next floor/screen/dungeon
>>320994597
Finger of Death from Might&Magic series is the worst offender
>gamedesigners who cant balance for shit
I don't even know why they have jobs at all
>Game has advanced technology like guns and lasers and shit
>the most dangerous weapons are still swords and hammers
>Game have enemies that can kill you using your own mid
>these enemies can also enter into a fight with other enemies over their prey
TECNOLOGY.
>>320994597
Xenoblade X in a fucking nutshell
>level up from the boss's minions
>health restored
>use unique weapon that utilizes various ammo for status effects
>X enemy is too powerful for this to work!
>start a new file and use it on lower level enemies
>has literally no effect on them either way
Thanks Bethesda.
>>320999680
>dialogue wheel is just the same answer with a few words changed.
>whole years of development wasted on VA lines
>All that marketing money
What was bethesda thinking?
>>321000015
>spent probably a few million on the 2 MC VAs
>could have used that money for more NPC voice actors
>>320994597
Ugh.
I usually don't sympathize that much with greentext threads, but I seriously, seriously hate that shit in RPGs.
>>321000282
>could've used that money for more npc voice actors
Or perhaps used that time and money on giving more choices that are not
>yes
>yes?
>YES!
>yes, but what?
Fucking bethesda, the only reason i don't want to play the newest fallout.
>enemy spells don't cost MP
>FF5
>The "Reduce enemy HP to 1 and paralyze them" skill works on several bosses.
>>321000547
I've actually been playing a lot of Fallout 4 even though I love to shitpost about it. It's fun.
I just rushed through the story on my first playthrough and then RPed as a wanderer in my second playthrough and am having a ton of fun pretending to be a tired and cynical wastelands who just wants to eat some good food for once.
>not answering sarcastic to everything
>>321000806
*wastelander
oops
![[Vomits Externally].gif](https://i.imgur.com/upIRB3B.gif "[Vomits Externally].gif")
>Level scaling enemies and loot
Why even have levels at this point
>>320994862
Pokemon
Path of Exile
>>321000754https://luscious.net/c/lolicon_and_shotacon_manga/pictures/album/noise-sono-oppai-o-suteru-nante-tondemonai-dont-even-think-about-getting-rid-of-those-puppies-comic-lo-2015-02-english-5-am_243721/id/9987954/@_0001
>>321000749
Everything works on one or the other boss in FFV, from sleep and confusion to death claw and instant death. One of the most well-designed JRPG combat systems ever
>>321000927
>Level scaling enemies
There's nothing wrong with this if they scale up to your level so you're not at level 50 grinding on level 20 enemies.
>>321000723
>use MPlock on enemies
>more than 3 of their skils don't require MP
>one is a powerfull skill
Sonny 2.
>>321000723
>enemy mages are considered to have infinite MP
>There's a spell that deals damage based on the amount of MP the target has
I'll take "Things developers didn't think through very well" for 800 Alex
I'm a little ways into Xenoblade Chronicles, do effects like Slow or Riki's poison attack work on bosses? I haven't really been able to tell yet
>>320994597
>obvious trap trigger/tripwire/ambush
>completely impossible to bypass
>progression halts until you decide to fuck yourself
>>320997740
What of it?
>>320994881
ff13 series
>>320994862
south park stick of truth
bosses got fucking destroyed by shit like bleeding
>>321001596
That is why that multiple attack katana is the most powerful weapon in the game.
>use mana steal on an enemy
>it doesn't give you anything back/fails
>literally never find an enemy in the entire game that the spell works on
>Boss rapes your entire party every fucking time you challenge him
>finally manage to beat him, he joins you
>level 1 shitter who gets one-shotted>still acts cocky on the cutsene afterwards
>tfw Dragon's Dogma did it right
>tfw keeping your rusted weapons from the beginning of the game to poison and torpor bosses later
>tfw using golden weapons to silence magic
>tfw using oil and blind enemies
The best. Can't wait for PC
>>321001664
>does most damage
>causes bleeding along with throw-able bottle
>also can attack multiple times
fucking trey, being a weeb and all
>Boss uses his "counter any attacks made this turn for a bazillion damage" move.
>Have a character use their "sacrifice some HP to increase attack power" buff.
>Which activates their "let out a counterattack when you take damage sometimes" passive.
>You died like a bitch.
>use critical hit rate buffing spell
>actually lowers your chance of crits
Why do so many games fuck this up? Why in the fuck is it a standard for bosses to be immune to everything? It makes no sense at all.
>>321001180
What game?
>>321001962
fuckin pokemon
>>320994597
>>321000442
Thanks Japan
>>320994881
FFV, FFX, FFXIII
>>320995297
Can't wait for fucking March to play this game. I hear that's it's decent. Not the best but still pretty good.
For some reason I find "pretty good" more enjoyable than "10/10 GOTY IGN" so I assume I'll like it.
>>321002013
Dragon Age Origins. I'm pretty sure it got patched out but it was hilarious for a while
>>321001472
>Have to fall into the trap
>"IT WAS A TRAP! HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN?!"
Just shoot me
>>321001472
>thinking RPGs are self-insertion fantasy fulfilment
>not understanding how to play a role that isn't just "myself"
>>320997740
>game has Gods and Magic
>an AR-15 still can compete with fireballs being cast from an arch angel
>>320998356
I'm so pissed. I went for a Master Mind, see. Even if I use Subterfuge (reduce enemy resistance to debuffs) and skills like King's Degree (increase rank of debuffs, making them more effective and more likely to work) enemies still just laugh it off and wreck my shit.
Why the fuck bother letting the main character be a debuff class if debuffs aren't going to fucking work?
I might go for the exact opposite and just be a shield trooper or whatever the class that focuses on buffing is called. God knows how many boss fights I've cheesed through since none of my debuffs worked and I only had my buffs left.
>>321001145
>playing Sonny
something is WRONG with you
>>320994597
stop grinding then. status effects are immensely useful when you aren't killing things in one hit.
>>320995092
>mfw finished DD Dark Arisen without ever using a health consumable
>Characters that are normally very competent suddenly suck ass/are taken out by normal mooks in cutscenes for drama.
Oh shit! We've been ambushed by 3 fucking goblins despite having a party of 4 and killing 60 of them on the way here! I better get on my knees and start sucking green cock now!
>>321002358
>character is a quick-witted rogue or some such
>find an egregiously placed holy-shit-better-not-step-on-this pressure plate on the floor
>you can fucking see this thing with your naked eye
>can't disarm it
>can't hop over it
>can't walk around it
>game straight up forces you to be an incompetent retard to advance the plot
How immersive.
>>321002185
Why not get it now? It's a really fun game with a likeable cast and amazing soundtrack. The plot FEELS predictable, but then it goes and slaps you in the face at the halfway point. It's pretty great.
Song magic is the shit. Activating this song during battle is like the greatest morale booster known to man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlPIKokITaY
>>320994862
Guild Wars 1, Wizardry 8, and some of Crytic MMOs comes into mind.
>Bosses can be debuffed
It's a goddamn wonderful feel.
>Boss's dialogue is even more heroic than yours
>>320994862
>Agility bind and panic in PQ
>>321002487
Bitch that's the finest turn based flash game. I bet you liked epic battle fantasy.
>>321003618
>Fully buff party and debuff boss
>Boss uses a skill that reverses everyone's buffs and debuffs.
>>321003708
>that mob that will make you weak to an element then spam that element hitting your entire party
>can't do shit against it because they act before you
>series encourages using status effects on bosses
>very effective, really
>at one point they decide to give every enemy scaling effect resistance
>bosses get so much that you can really only expect to hit a boss once with any given ailment before it becomes nigh immune to said ailment
>the most recent game flat out makes some bosses completely immune to certain ailments
It's depressing how far Etrian Odyssey has fallen.
>>320995092
Enjoy you,re grindan
>>321003779
>One party member debuffs boss
>other 2 attack
>Boss wastes his turn canceling the debuff
>repeat until dead
>>321003838
>Aegis + Life Wall
>>321003779
>>320999425
best feeling ever
>rare mook
>super fast
>deals low damage with most common attack, but it inflicts debilitating status on anyone it hits like blind and sleep
>it's a multiple-hitting attack and doesn't target a single party member
>it's literally shitting on you
>other attack is more powerful and hits the entire party, inflicts paralysis
>it's literally pissing on you
>all this makes it more dangerous and annoying than most bosses
This thing is fucking vulgar.
>Boss has several phases
>He can change them at will and force you to fight him at his toughest right off the bat.
>>321003404
Because I don't live in America and the game comes out for European territories in March, plus the 3DS is region locked so no importing for me.
....That being said, I'm actually in New Zealand so I'll probably be a little behind the Euro release date anyway.
>Plot pulls you out of a mission because "OOH SCARY MONSTER TOO STRONK"
>Immediately sent back out to fight it
>Not even that bad
>>321004598
Ah, fair enough. Look forward to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5d1n71ZIts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG9E6dQmY2E
>>320994862
Etrian Odyssey does this, but it goes both ways.
Poison does not fuck around.
>>321005320
>Game warns you about a tough monster.
>They can actually back up the claim.
>>321003715
nah both of those series are trash
>>321004598
You should get undub
hands down the best RPG game I played this year, plot gets really interesting halfway though, and the characters are all anime clichus and despite that have more personality and development than almost all RPG released this year. Except for Rusty who's a complete nigger from start to end and is the worst character in the game.
I wish the company didn't go bankrupt.
>>321006121
>Rusty who's a complete nigger
Bitch, Rusty's a bro. Archibald is the worst character hands down. That PTSD was pathetic.
>>321001892
An attack for every time it's been folded. MULTIPLE SLICE KATANA!
>>320994597
>playin dragon warrior
>sap fails
>sap fails
>sap fails
(but here you wonder if maybe you're just getting unlucky and the boss only has a 30% immunity to sap)
>sap lands
how about some fucking feedback on whether its immune or you're just getting unlucky, christ
>>321006330
>Rusty's a bro
Wow how does it feel to be a complete beta that has to deal with his cynicism and pay for his bill when he invites you out for drinks
Or how he goes full ape instead of thinking things through
Or how he wants to spend the possibly last day of his life with women
Or how he goes full suicide mode and even the delusional Keith calls him a retard
Bro my ass, he's the worst, his special snowflake treatment doesn't help either
>>321001134
>I've defeated the big bad!
>But rats from the first area can still push my shit in!
No senpai, that's bad design.
>>321000723
>sap enemy boss to 0 MP
>they still cast magic
FUCK YOU SHADOW HEARTS
>>321006597
Nothing wrong with wanting to spend your last day doing what you love. Far better than some schmuck who'd prefer to leave his friends for dead just because some bitch he hardly spoke to buys the farm.
Besides, one of them is actually useful in battle, and it's not the one with a stick in his ass.
>not worth using spells on normal monsters since you can kill them in two normal hits
>spells only slightly damage the bosses while normal attacks to fuckall
and people wonder why I play so few RPGs
>>321007060
what shit JRPGs are you playing?
>>321000723
>drain enemy MP
>they still cast spells
>it fails
>they waste turns
>player is rewarded for his efforts
>fight boss with with insanely high HP
>get him down to half
>he casts death sentence on main character
>main character dies causing instant game over
Fuck you FF13
>>321004182
Jesus fucking christ, Demon Gaze. I loved that game until the... the underwater part when suddenly I just couldn't give a damn about the game anymore.
Bit of a shame though, it had some interesting things in it.
>>321007039
> some bitch he hardly spoke to buys the farm.
lmao read his supports, hell they even mention that Anastasia talks with the army and wants to know her citizens better
>Besides, one of them is actually useful in battle, and it's not the one with a stick in his ass.
One of them doesn't share a slot fucking Klaus and Popo, in fact he doesn't share a slot with anyone until chapter 3 and he's the first character you can max for incredible utility for more than half the game since it increases his movement and defender rate.
Enjoy your asshole friend who has a peanut for a brain, and whose only "father" left him for being too stupid and says so himself during the fucking game.
>>321006121
Undub? Like, is there a option to switch to Jap dub or something?
>>320994597
Mother. Fucking. WOBBLEWOK
>Boss is affected by status effects
>Status effects only last 2 turns or are wildly ineffective, so you might as well not of even bothered.
>>320994597
>bosses are balanced around you maintaining 100% uptime on all available debuffs so you have to have a party capable of casting them all and not letting them drop ever or you'll get wrecked
>Boss specializes in a certain element
>Equip gear that resists that element
>Boss starts spamming a non-elemental attack stronger than all his elemental spells.
>He would never use this attack otherwise.
>>321008587
>boss specializes in a certain element
>set up party to null that element
>starts spamming insta kill spells on the MC
>he has 7 moves every turn
>>321004182
I still have PTSD from that. I was just Triangle Mashing through most of the Random Encounter, then for some reason the battle wasn't ending. I looked down to see that thing and my party shitting itself. Took a good 30mins to get past that fight.
>>321007480
You're really missing out. I adore everything about it. It's exciting finding new weapons and armor, and that item drop system is really cool. I really like the whole cast, too. It even has a nice ending and you canonically fuck a dragon during the plot. What's not to love?
>>321009476
That's pretty much what happened to me, too. First time I found one it was in a party with every other kind of drake. That was a nightmare. Very close to being my first game over.
When I encountered it alone it was more manageable, but dear god it's still annoying as fuck. I love it. I mean, it shits on you both metaphorically and literally. Beautiful.
