>you will never break into First City Bank and Trust for the first time again
>>320975573
thief 2 is shit, play 1 instead
>>320975620
no, play both
>>320975573
>that basement full of robots
>>320975620
They're nearly the same game, I don't see how you can say one is shit but not the other.
>>320975573
>You will never wonder through amazingly empty structures evading bare bones AI and wondering why did someone decide that zombies fit the setting
Thief 2 hits its peak at Life of The Party, everything after that is a gradual descent to mediocre levels. Casing the Joint and Masks in particular highlight how rushed the game's development had become as LGS was nearing closer to depth.
We will never get Thief 2:Gold, either.
>>320976129
I didn't see the bank zombies.
I DO NOT KNOW
>>320976129
>there's magic
>there's ghosts
>there's monsters
>there's demons
>there's robots
>but zombies are where I draw the line
>>320976395
>there's more retarded shit
thanks for reminding me
>>320976594
the main character is a thief who wears hard-sole shoes and a long cape.
>There are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who claim that Thief is better than Dishonored
Did you polish your tru3 gam3r badge today?
>>320976748
>slice your way through a platoon
>everyone just stands still
>>320976682
yeah, garret is great, shame about the most things he's surrounded with.
>>320976897
>what is time dilation
do you hate fun, anon? don't you have to douse a torch with a skillshot?
>>320976897
Because he stopped time, you retard.
>>320976748
Literally only thing Thiaf did right was the level aesthetic. At least until you realize levels are empty and sterile as fuck.
>>320977123
No, he didn't until 30 seconds in.
>>320977123
>>320977002
>stopping time
boy games sure are fun when enemies can't retaliate and I can't don't have margin for error
>>320977332
I guess it's a good thing you need to unlock that power to have it. Really, game only gives you powers and even initial rank in Blink because it needs to story-wise due to Outsider's meddling. Dishonored is entirely playable without any powers at all.
>>320975928
Not him but Thief 2 doesn't have the atmosphere of Thief 1. Most people seem to hate that there were more fantasy elements, fights vs monsters etc. in 1, but in my opinion that's exactly what makes the game great. It's a pretty unique setting.
>Dishonored developers are inspired by Thief
>Thief developers like Dishonored, some worked on it
>fanbases shitpost each other
Explain this bullshit.
>>320977476
Thief 2 is distinctly more about thievery and shit while Looking Glass didn't exactly KNOW what to make of first game.
>>320977449
>>320977332
Dishonored is a game that has immeasurably deeper mechanics than Thief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIT2FIq7BE0&list=UUEIxlUm43rZpA_UxGXB2PAA
Thief video would be "click lmb to whack with a bat".
>>320977574
Yah but that's why 2 is boring. 1 had an excellent mix.
>>320977592
Any game can be "technical" if you force yourself to play it that way. I'm partial to the "blink across the whole level in 7 minutes" approach.
>>320977554
Not really, though. If anything Dishonored is a Dark Messiah meets Deus Ex. Stealth is just an option, hardly crux of the game.
>>320977554
/v/ shitposts each other, remember that they haven't played either games
>>320977752
Stealth isn't the only thing in Thief. Both of those games were inspired by it as well.
>>320975573
Loved the original three. Really wish more games had less focus on killing everything in sight and more focus on problem solving like thee games had.
>>320977967
Deadly Shadows gets way too much shit, primarily because it was hampered by console limitations.
>>320977714
2 was great for going around the city though, though admittedly the robot elements didn't always gel with the rest of the atmosphere as well as the fantasy themes did in 1
>>320978037
Even i will admit it was noticeably easier and more forgiving, but it will still challenging and fun, I also think it fleshed out the world the most of the three, and had great atmosphere.
>>320976748
Thought this was Thi4f initially
Never played Dishonoured, seems like it would be fine as a stealth/action game, doesn't really compare with Thief aside from some similarities in setting
>>320975573
I'm working on it.Haven't played the game in 4 years.
>>320978258
Biggest problem I had with it when I first played it was how different the mechanics were, as the first 2 are basically identical and was bingeing on all of them
But the lighting especially deserves praise for creating some good atmosphere
It's been a good year for FMs, skacky is a fucking machine.
>>320977592
Thief's strengths were in its simplicity
>he never found the bow upgrade
i just finished that mission. I'm working my way through the thief series. At first i found them pretty tricky, but now i've got to the stage where i glide through levels without having to blackjack anyone.
>>320978735
Kinda. Thief was never IN YOUR FACE with systems. There were no on-screen points and shit, aside from health and light crystal. Sound? Use common sense and LISTEN, because there's a reason why Thief had such amazing sound system.
>>320978861
>he never unlocked kart mode
>>320978861
Do explain
>>320979082
I did though
>>320979189
In the Bonehoard there's a big hall blocked off by rubble called the Alarus Extension. If you edit the level to have a path through in DromEd, you can get a bow upgrade which was otherwise cut from the game.
>you will never strike from the shadows
>you will never shoot a rope arrow into a wooden beam and climb the rope
>you will never equate friends with getting caught
>you will never walk on a loud surface
was the dishonered posting to simply stir up replies? Because it dropped off after the thread got more active
>>320979385
>join us now on the kart
Top kek
>>320979039
that picture is perfect in saying why stealth games never really work for mainstream without lobotomizing them in the process. they're a niche genre that require a particular mindset to enjoy, one that finds pleasure in crawling about. even decent stealth games nowadays are way too lenient in relation to their play style. I remember thief was always strict with its "gotta find X percent of loot to complete a level" requirement.
>>320976748
>Take down everyone in your way
Even Thief 4 encouraged you not to do this, a game with undeserved hate if you ask me.
>>320979718
Who cares, here's a video of Thief and Dishonored developers playing Dishonored (with some audio issues at the beginning).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9sp76w3dsg
>>320979947
>that scripted hand movement
I hate modern video game developers.
>>320979839
Thief's loot goals were never that hard to meet.
>>320979947
Nigga, they only changed how it worked like a month before game went gold. Remember all those videos about HEADSHOT EXP BONUS before release? Yeah, that should tell you about how much the game discouraged killing enemies. It was only after massive outcry and realizing "rewarding kills might, just might, detract from stealing" that Eidos actually changed how it worked.
>>320979947
>being able to do differing playstyles is bad
okay anon
>>320980058
That's not bad. The rest of the game where it makes you stand still while you steal individual pieces of loot is really why Thi4f's body awareness was shit.
>>320975620
Thief 1 is almost as good as 2, but lacks the proper level design.
>>320980058
I always hate that shit because you can tell either A) game wasn't play tested at all or B) testers were fucking retards and played it for 30 minutes tops. Because there's no way these hand gestures and actions would get old an hour in or anything.
>you have to watch Garrett open everything with a second long animation
>there's a metric ton of things to open in the game
I love how Dishonored, in comparison, even where it does use animations like executions gets around it really fast because Arkane realized it's distracting and annoying after the initial whoa effect.
>>320976748
I agree with you, Thief was fucking shit compared to Dishonored.
But I really hope you dont mean Thief: The dark project or Thief 2: The metal age because then you are just fucking underage.
>>320976265
It's incredible what they did with Thief 2 considering how rushed they were, and it's tragic to imagine what they could have done given more time. It makes me hate John Romero and his fucking bullshit Daikatana even more every time I think about it.
>>320980419
I appreciated the option to turn that off in Dishonored, but I kept it on because like you said, it wasn't constant and annoying as shit.
Post cool maps. Does anyone have the Where Am I? version of Bonehoard's?
long time since I've been on /v/, good to see a thief thread faggets.
>>320978685
Fuck I'm so far behind on fms, thanks for reminding me
>>320979947
fun fact: curtains break the game (even more), obviously they weren't tested
>>320975620
Both games are to tier neither had any flaws and they are timeless classics you can play again 10 years later and still love every minute. The third one was thr mediocre one.
http://www.digital-eel.com/mc/may252000.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPFbA8Qmths
>>320975620
>any of the original thief games
>shit
>>320981449
Fuck John Romero
>>320981449
I will never understand how LGS was able to release so many god tier games in such a short period of time.
>>320981449
>ultima underworld
>thief
>system shock
>flight unlimited
jesus christ, I completely forgot just how prolific lgs was
>>320975907
That's easy. The little ones are blind until they hear something.
>>320981648
Maybe they just had more passion for the games they made than most devs these days
>>320981906
are they really? As in can't see you at all regardless of lighting?
>mfw Karras programmed his robots to have conversations in his voice talking about how amazing he is.
>>320982104
I GIVE THANKS TO KARRAS WHO WHICH WITHOUT I WOULD HAVE MY ARMS AND LEGS
>>320976748
Reminder to use the ultimate difficulty mod: http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=141188
And to play the DLC because it's largely better.
DLC + Mod = Thief-grade stealth
>>320981740
Cautiously optimistic about that new Underworld game. Otherside has been clumsy about presenting themselves and their game but the more they talk the more faith I have they aren't going to make it a Skyrim clone or something. They were talking more recently about Dark Messiah as inspiration for melee combat along with some acrobatic stuff like sliding and wall running. Overall it sounds like they're trying to go forward with the old ideas for immersive sims rather than a 'regular' RPG.
I was also reading about the people behind it, and it's crazy how Paul Neurath's plan for keeping System Shock out of EA's hands actually came together and more or less worked after almost 20 years.
>>320982104
yfw Karras was your average school shooter personality-wise
The New Scripture of The Master Builder (draft, page 35)
The Builder smiled on the things Karras had done. Out of devotion, He had invented
many machines, and these machines now served Him well. He had transformed wretched
humans into agents of The Builder's will, controlled directly by the influence of
Karras' machines. These were called Servants, and they had been embraced by those
in the city who considered themselves superior because of the wealth of their coffers
instead of their spirits. These same people had beamed at Karras with one face but
with another face smirked amongst each other and shared affronts.
For this Karras had once detested them, but He saw now their role in the Builder's
Plan. In all these things Karras had forged the tools that He would use to bring
the Builder's Paradise to the world. The Builder looked upon these tools as Karras
made preparations to put them to use, and His gaze showed favor, and Karras felt the
Builder's hands upon Him and the Builder's strength helping Karras carry His burdens.
>>320982104
>mfw Karras and Garrett are the same person
why
>>320982754
>I detest... the tongue, and abhor the lips. For lips... and tongue... can twist... truth into liiies. I am a child of Karras, and no lips... or tongue... have I.
>A child of flesh is loathsome and ill-tempered. But for what they lack, Karras has forged a child of metal that is constant, and true. I am that child.
>The flesh is imperfect, it is unclean, it putrefies, but I am forged in The Builder's image: without... flesh.
Karras is the living embodiment of the beta uprising.
>>320982727
I think their KS pitch just wasn't as great because they're not salesmen like some are like Weisman, Fargo or others. But I have faith if only because their pedigree is fucking amazing. They simply didn't have a common banner to unite under after LGS got shut down.
>>320983003
So you can have Dota and TF2 items based around them.
>>320983003
Because someone among the dev team had a SM fetish.
Also people in general thinking you need to look like a tactical queer vampire to be a thief.
>>320983003
Because MC has to stand out. Fact it's a stealth game sure won't stop that character designer, no sir.
>>320983281
>Garrett is a master thief
>you still need to buy upgrades to apparently get even better, down to upgrading to his stealth
This fucking "progression system" bullshit has to go. It's not more involving, it's just tedious and immersion breaking when put in Thief.
>>320982023
Yeah. Completely blind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5mnWQi59g4
>>320983639
these cutscenes are so fucking based. More visually interesting than any 3d cutscene could do.
>>320981648
>>320981740
Real talent and art through adversity. Keep in mind half their devs were MIT graduates or from other walks of life, like that professional musician, who simply happened to love making video games and were good at it.
>>320983241
Pretty much. I also imagine the name "Ultima Underworld" doesn't mean anything to many at this point.
I'm sold on the fact that it has a rope arrow equivalent (in the form of a spell). And not some shitty contextual Thi4f rope arrow either.
LGS did some of the best gaming cinematics of all time.
That special mix of live action performances and hauntingly beautiful art direction is something that has not yet been successfully duplicated in modern video games.
The people responsible for these scenes were unbelievably creative and truly committed to making the most artistic experiences possible.
This is what happens when you put some very talented people together in a room and tell them to redefine a medium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppV2EMfbk0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlCjLfpugY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dQp8gv2KBw
>>320983549
just loaded up a level
holy fuck, you weren't kidding.
>>320984230
>This is what happens when you put some very talented people together in a room and tell them to redefine a medium.
Which is weird because they did it more than once. They did it three fucking times, although people tend to forget just how influential Ultima Underworld and System Shock were, so much so you can still feel it today. And then a bunch of ex-LGS went to Ion Storm and did it AGAIN with Deus Ex.
>>320984230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY483Gd3lOU
Deadly Shadows had a couple good cutscenes, too
>>320984230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctF-dVNR4jo
Nobody's perfect.
Don't forget this truly classic and memorable cutscene.
>>320985295
>those totally empty levels
Good job, Eidos.
>>320984514
>They did it three fucking times
It's because LGS hired all-stars who didn't have to answer to money-grubbing producers.
The writers weren't SJWs with English degrees and chips on their shoulders -- they were incredibly intelligent people who were committed to crafting the most artful of stories.
The artists weren't hacks working in some sweatshop to produce piecemeal concept art for uncaring suits -- they were visionaries with actual talent who knew how to seamlessly blend art styles with narratives.
The level designers weren't poisoned by the formulaic redundancy of modern gaming -- they were frontiersman who wanted to push boundaries and design fresh, exciting experiences.
These people were essentially left alone to make art, and they kept nailing it until the suits stepped in and ruined everything.
>>320985295
I don't think I've ever dropped a game so fast in my life. What a fucking abortion.
>>320984230
>There will never be a spinoff centered around being a Hammerite crusader
>>320986240
The original idea for Thief 4 was to make it futuristic -- a Blade Runner setting with stealth gameplay.
This was before Ubisoft acquired the rights and fucked everything up.
I would pay good money for a proper stealth game set in the future.
>You'll never become the life of the party for the first time again...
>>320986798
Damn, that sounds awesome. So did Prey 2.
>>320983136
What is the beta uprising? Sounds like MGTOW type shit.
>>320975620
oh wow you colossal wanker
>>320977918
Arkane is based.
>>320986672
LAY THYSELF UPON MINE ANVIL
Anyone who says Thief 2 is better than the first one doesn't have any credibility in my eyes. While Karras is a pretty interesting element in Metal Age, the adventures you go to in the first one while slowly unraveling The Trickster's plans in the first one are incomparably more fun. The Lost City and The Cathedral are way more interesting than any of the levels in 2.
>>320988998
Missions and levels in 2 just seem better to me.
There were some great levels in 1, but so were some pretty messed up ones (Thieves Guild).
>>320988998
Sounds like tomb raider resident evil shit to me. I'd rather being stealing stuff.
>>320988998
I feel like Thief 2's storyline didn't really have anything like a satisfying climax. Honestly, I feel the game would have benefited greatly from more levels.
it's like Life of the party should have been the half-way point when it's like near the end story wise.
>>320989468
Resident Evil took place in a mansion you know.
>>320989667
The story is weaker but I'd rather have better levels and less zombies/horror elements.
>>320990367
I don't play Japanese games.
>>320990652
the only level that I felt suffered due to monsters is Escape, but it's not as if you can't play monster levels like normal levels and there is always plenty of shit to steal.
>>320986672
the hammers are such a cool faction.
even despite being so derivative of Catholicism, they feel wholly unique
I HAVE HEARD SOMETHING
>>320993836
twas probably nothing, probably
OOOOH, I THINK A BABY BIRD PECKED ME
>>320976265
Life of the Party is dog shit, m8.
>>320994225
HE STRIKES, LIKE A DYING WIND
>>320978685
Funny thing is, the city section is built by another french guy. Skacky only did the brothel
>>320981563
What did he have to do with it?
Did Ion Storm fuck them over?
>>320995137
he's pretty much the reason LGS went under
>>320995123
I know, but he also put out a mission for the contest just recently and it's bretty gud.
>>320983136
top kek m8
>you will never break into Constantine's mansion for the first time again
>>320995832
>tfw haven't broken into it yet
am i in for a ride?
>>320996665
only if you haven't looked at the map or any screenshots from it.
>>320996665
Personally I think it's the best level in the series.
>>320996968
nope, not yet.is it casual filter or something?
>>320997183
It's a pretty unique level. Go play it before someone spoils it and be sure to look in every nook and cranny and maybe you'll find something cool.
>>320997183
no but it's best going into that level not knowing anything about it.
Anyone here prefer the demo version of Life of the Party? It was far more cool with night time.
>>320997617
Is time of the day the only thing that has changed?
>>320997723
No.
provided you had the choice, would you join the keepers, hammers, pagans orJOIN US JOIN US, JOIN US NOW?
>>320976265
the decaying pirate lagoon was good so was the cathedral
What's wrong with Sabotage at Soulforge? I've heard people say it's a terrible level, almost as bad as Thieves' Guild, but I never got to play it because as soon as I got there my hd died and I basically have to start all over now.
>>320998457
M E C H A N I S T S
>>321000224
arrested and killed off after thief 2, congrats.
>>320978037
I was a horrible piece of shit that only now seems better because the series some how got even worse.
>>320999385
it's the longest level in the game though and there's also barely any humans. I played it for the first time yesterday and I loved it. It had the best atmosphere out of all the thief 2 levels. hearing karras' mad ranting over the intercom was great.
>>321000274
>all that talk about the importance of technological progress and The New Scripture of The Master Builder? Merely a prank, brother! Look! There's the camera!
>>320981906
And even then all they can do is run off to get help.
>>321000748
>first part of my post is gone
how
I think DS does not deserves all that hate.
I know it has some things done wrong, but it has most things done right too
IT COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THI4F
Admire it, for it is not
>>321001404
I don't think the industry degraded to the point that it could have possibly been like TAFF at that point.
>>320976265
life of the party felt lifeless inside angelwatch, only the top floor felt like a party. The others were empty apart form a few npcs dotted around
>>320978037
Is DS worth going back to? I stopped like 3 levels in because the small levels and the useless map (Why don't they tell you what room you're in like the first 2?)
>>321002043
yeah it's worth playing, a couple of the levels are great
>>321001404
I want to play it so bad, but I can't get past the jittery movement. Garrett controls like he's having a seizure all the time.
this thread is leading me to believe that all of Thief 1's levels are filled with undead, all of Thief 2's levels are boring and rushed, but lacking undead, Deadly Shadows is a steaming pile and Dishonered is better than all of them because you can kill people
>>320989667
For thief 2 they made the levels first and then made a story to fit them. Thief 1 they made levels to fit the story.
>>321002697
Thief 1 is good but drags on and the last parts are terrible. Also fuck zombies.
Thief 2 is great but not that much better and certainly not to the degree /v/ collectively makes it out to be.
Thief 3 is actually pretty damn good, loading screens aside. It has some fantastic levels and the detail in each is leagues above the first 2 games' copy/paste textured corridors.
Dishonored is good for altogether different reasons than Thief.
/v/ sucks dick. Play the games, form opinions.
>>320997617
The original is night time too if you turn off fog. I don't know why the fog is retarded on that level.
I wouldn't say i prefer the old version but I do like how you can climb the outside of angel watch and theres to ways to get there.
>>321002684
Mod it. It fixes a couple of things like movement and the broken creeping for instance
I haven't played the game yet, so... I guess I have something to look forward to.
I'll probably really love it, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Same with Planescape Torment.
I'm actually playing throughMass Effect 3when I could be playing those instead.
>>321002991
>Thief 1 they made levels to fit the story.
I'm pretty sure they just came up with different themes for levels then made them. Which is why there are so many weird and un-stealth like levels in it.
Though I may be misremembering.
>>321003486
What mod? I have trouble finding proper mods for that game.
>>321003869
>weird and un-stealth
>Return to the Cathedral
>zombies everywhere
>fuck this shit
>I am become Blade, killer of undead
>jump down in the middle of the cathedral from one of the lower beams
>make a lot of noise so everyone hears it
>zombies converge on my position
>start chucking flashbombs in all directions
>holy water the rest
>finish the level in peace
Fuck zombies.
>>321003869
LGS was a bit apprehensive about making a pure stealth game, thought it wouldn't appeal to most people, which is why we got more dungeon crawling levels.
Saying that though, you can sneak through all the levels pretty much the same.
>>321004203
Still one of the scariest levels in any video game ever.
>>321004249
There's a video out there of several of the developers playing through segments of the game and explaining that, although accidental, the dungeon crawling and horror levels give the game a better pacing than Thief 2, since those levels are almost breathers in between pure stealth levels.
Anyone else wants an rpg set in thief's universe? the world is so unique and interesting and is barely explored
>>321004514
>dungeon crawling and horror levels
>breathers
It was the stealth levels where I would gradually unclench my butthole after one of those horror levels
>>321004689
it was interesting until Thief 3 made it generic.
>>321004695
did you consider The Lost City, Escape and Strange Bedfellows scary?
>>321004807
Nigga what, you better elaborate
>>321004807
I hope you never find out what happened to the factions in Thief 4 if you consider what DS did to be bad
>>321004857
Those monkey men creeped me the fuck out desu
The bug men too with their weird ass walking and the noises they made
>>321001707
did a bad job for past industry standards
did a good job for actual industry standards
this industry has become shit
>>321002697
>all of Thief 1's levels are filled with undead
All of the memorable ones are.They're memorable because undead fucking suck.
>>321005135
I bet there's a large amount of people who would find bug beasts kawaii
>>320976682
>the main character is a thief who wears hard-sole shoes
>dreaming about all the thieving I could do if he didn't
feels bad man
>>320978037
I really liked it for the atmosphere and the lore
And The Builder said, 'If the foundation is weak, do you wail and gnash your teeth? Do you ask it to repour itself? Nay, you tear it down and begin anew. So shall it be with with all My Children, whether they be Stone or Flesh.'
