>LITERALLY forcing you to fight two bosses at once
Why is horseshit like this allowed?
>>320963704git gud :^)
or just summon someone
>>320963704
Easy fight
That was easy, though. And it made it a 'oh shit' moment.
The capra demon bum rushing you the moment you stepped into the garden with dogs ganging up on you- now that was bullshit.
>>320963704
It's easy tho
Just use the lightning consumable you stuid fuck
one of them has half health man. just get the drake sword if you wanna be that much of a pussy.
>>320964476
what about you get good ?
you just wait for him to jump on you and dodge and go to the stairs llike the faggot you are
I still find it odd in retrospect that this is the second boss, dealing with two bosses is a much more "skilled" thing in the souls games. I would've expected them to be at Quelaag or maybe even later in the game (with boosted stats and a more threatening moveset)
I guess it's meant to be a hurdle you have to leap before you can get further.
>>320963704
summon solaire
To subvert your expectations and to turn a glorified large enemy into an actual boss.
>>320963704
Please git gut
>>320963704
>>320963704
In the sequel they made you fight 5.
>>320964476
capra demon is fucking easy, now ornstein and smough? now thats hard
LOL OP SuCKs
How about you practice a bit, learn to dodge, learn when to strike and not get greedy with your strikes. Just plain get gud son.
>>320965140
O&S was easy! kalameet on the other hand gave you a real fight!
>>320964745
I did get good. Went for the pillars on the right so take out the dog so it was only me VS the Capra demon.
The only (true) bullshit moment in DS was the Archers in Anor Londo. Getting good meant nothing when they could snipe you with arrows the size of literal spears across a narrow edge
That's cute, op.
>>320963704
One will always stop dead and breathe fire, that gives you valuable seconds to take out the second one. Alternatively you can use that gold pine resin you found earlier and potentially wreak the first gargoyle before the second one even appears
>>320965259
>having trouble with kalameet
artorias is where the real trouble starts
>>320963704
Oh OP, I'd love to see how much you'd bitch at the Maneaters in Demon's Souls. This boss is piss easy in comparison.
>>320965626
wasnt Artorias the roll-n-hit boss?
beat him first or second try.
Manus is the true final boss!
>>320965268
It was even worse in pre-patch DaS on the PS3, really all you had to do was bumrush roll through and then stabbity-stab the archers.
>>320965931
>Manus
haha just use the trinket
Four Kings though what a doozysomeone post the picture before they think we're serious
>>320963704
I've been playing DS1 for the first time recently and I just beat these two
what you need is to be at a decent level and have the drake sword
it kills them so easily
(the first few times I was using a starter sword and it just wasn't cutting it)
I even got the tail
>>320966307
>drake sword
Everyone can beat them on easy mode
>>320966307
>drake sword
kindly, an hero.
>>320965268
You didn't get good if you still think the archers are bullshit.
>>320966307
Why would you ever use the drake sword? It makes the beginning of the game too easy and it almost certainly means you're using a guide which ruins a lot of the fun in souls games.
>>320964476
I found Capra much easier than Gargoyles for some reason
>>320966307
>Drake sword
Go on faggot. Tell us how you found out about it without at guide. Tell us about how you hid below the bridge and shot at him for 2 hours instead of just continuing through the level.
It baffles me because killing the drake also nets you the fantastic claymore.
If you're that shitty, use Gold Pine Resin, they're weak to it.
Don't play Bloodborne if you suck at DaS1
>>320965330
Respect
>>320964745
You can also throw fire bombs over the fog gate and chesee him
>>320963704
>not relishing the opportunity when a game grants you the glorious opportunity to defeat two bosses at once
It's like you don't play games like this to be a super fucking badass.
I don't even know what game that is (looks like dork souls?) But I can't believe there are people who would rather NOT fight two bosses at once, casual or otherwise.
>>320963704
I feel like I've seen a lot of complaining about easy Souls bosses recently. The game even gives you Solaire who can solo them.
>did a faith build
>practiced by using the white soapstone
>joined the Sunbros and got the lightning spell
It was easy once you practice
anybody else enjoy helping people near the first bell? I love it when you hear that bell ring. It fills me with hope
>>320966265
>4kids
I beat those assholes naked with my club
>>320966845
>summoning
>ever
>>320963704
>losing to easier version of Maneaters
>>320966715
Not him but I assumed after the Gargoyles and Gaping Dragon that pretty much every boss's tail dropped a weapon. I wasn't wrong.
It doesn't require a guide to get some common sense or curiosity. I can imagine someone thinking they absolutely need to cross the bridge and try to kill the dragon by shooting the tail.
>>320963704
>LITERALLY forsing you to play video games for fun
Why is horseshit like this allowed?
>>320964859
All the Souls games have sinusoidal functions for difficulty curves. They have no idea how to balance properly.
>get frustrated at the boss even though I've done it loads of times
>decide to throw bombs
>does massive damage
Never dying to these fucks again
>>320966715
>2 hours
it takes like 5-10 shots
>killing the drake gives you claymore
no it doesn't, I killed him and it gave jack shit.
>>320964859
3rd boss
>>320967101
>Not enjoying jolly cooperation.
>>320966984
I forgot to mention the bed of chaos was harder.
>>320966495
>>320966558
>>320966715
oh dear I seem to have angered quite a few people
I didn't use a guide, I was trying to just kill the dragon by attacking it at the top of that staircase, and after a bit of faffing about I finally got it and then finished off the dragon
it wasn't that difficult
>>320967201
Look at this fucking retard
>>320966542
this, though to be fair that part was annoying as fuck until you got the timing down.
>>320963704
You think that's hard, OP?
>>320967224
Taurus is optional.
>>320963704
Use a bow. It literally breaks that fight - gargoyles have no long range attack.
>>320963704
But they don't force you to fight them. You can just turn the game off??
>>320967201
>claims he found the drake sword on his own
>but he didnt find the claymore which is sitting out in the fucking open on the bridge
why would you lie
>>320967201
It's on the ground where his flame breath hits dumbass.
>5-10 shots
You're just pretending to be retarded aren't you?
>>320967481
that anon is not me >>320966307
I found both of those things on my own
it ain't difficult
>>320967326
Yes, everyone picks the master key and finds the shortcut on their first playthrough
>>320967326
Where the fuck do you got bypass him ? Assuming you don't have the Master Key.
The only objectively hard boss in Dark Souls is Four King on NG+ and higher.
Goddamn that is some major bullshit.
>>320967581
Doesn't change the fact.
>>320967621
>literally any weapon+15
>any weapon buff in the game
>ded kings
I don't get why you think it's hard, I have more trouble with Gwyn than with four kings.
>>320967653
Doesn't change the fact that new players are led to the taurus by the developers
So ceaseless is optional because you can roll and heal through the lava? Every new player surely does that :^)
>>320966715
To be fair, I did it but that's I played Demon's Souls first and I'm the kind of player that took the time to kill the dragon on the bridge in 1-2, god that took forever.
>>320967759
but Gwyn is the easiest boss in the game
>>320967850
*that's because
I started playing this a few days ago and I like everything about it, except some of the boss battles, and the fact that dying makes you have to grind through the previous 10 minutes of enemies again, just to get one-shot while trying to learn attack patterns. I just back up my saves right before the summon sign and fog door, and load them up when I die to save time. I also did this with the Anor Londo archers, and I'm currently in the Tomb of the Giants (after the Patches pit) which I'm just gonna Cheat Engine my way through since I absolutely can't stand not being able to see anything. Regardless of combat and enemy locations. I just don't like the sensation of being blind. I also skipped the fight with Smough and whatserface since I didn't even feel like attempting it a single time and I had to to leave for work and just wanted to see what's at the end of the temple thing.
>inb4 madfags who probably died a hundred times in that fight get mad it me skipping right to having fun again
Also started DaS II, and they really cranked up the "le hard game" meme. Is using a shield against most enemies simply not viable until you get one with 100 damage resist? In DaS, I didn't utilize my roll for anything except boss battles, but now it seems like they're really pushing it for the whole game.
>>320967849
The dev team was aware that you could skip ceaseless before the game shipped and kept in. So yes, I would say that.
>>320967976
>I just back up my saves right before the summon sign and fog door
>I'm just gonna Cheat Engine
>I also skipped the fight with Smough and whatserface
PCfags, everybody
I can at least agree with you that Dark Souls II is shit tho.
>>320968046
I'm talking about new players, and what they experience
Not everyone reads guides like you
>>320967857
I die to Gwyn every playthrough more times than to any other boss
>>320967976
Just put down your sign and help other people to learn bosses. You can also sprint through most levels fairly easily once you are stuck on a boss.
And yeah non 100 shields are garbage at the start of DaS2. Dual wielding and greatswords are the most fun though so fuck blocking.
>>320967976
2/10
>>320967976
>Is using a shield against most enemies simply not viable until you get one with 100 damage resist?
You can get the Drangleic armor/shield within the first 2 hours of the game and that can basically carry you throughout the game.
>>320968267
>parry vs. non-parry
I intentionally forgo parrying to make the fight more fun and interesting. It feels more satisfying to roll out the way of his skyward lunging attack counting with a roll slash. It's better than watching a 5 second animation where I don't get to control shit.
>>320968267
It's strange, isn't it? I laugh my way through O&S, 4kings and the DLC bosses but Gwyn slaps my shit
E V E R Y
S I N G L E
T I M E
>>320968262
I didn't read a single guide, only saw some threads saying pyro was ez mode so I rolled with that. Someone tried "correcting" me calling Belfry gargs the third boss, when they're the second boss you have to fight.
>didn't use shields until sen's
two-handing a sword/mace is always very fun and effectiv
>>320963704
One of the easiest fights of the game
Belfry Gargoyles x5
You don't know what bullshit is until you solo that at sl12.
>>320968823
>two-hand weapon
>apply lightning resin
>don't be a pussy
>>320966542
>>320967306
The arrows literally go through fucking walls. How is that not bs? There's no "lore" behind extreme clipping.
>>320965330
These guys are fags in the sense of being hard as shit.
They are literally faggots though.
>>320969029
>he doesn't know about ghost arrows lore
>>320969116
They just lost their balls at some war as MC comments.
>>320969029
He knows damn well it's bs but some Souls fans just don't like to admit the flaws of how utterly stupid it was to place 2 fucking archers on a narrow ledge just (YES, JUST TO) fuck with people. It wasn't even a challenge, you just had to time your movement, yet, you could still get fucked up if the archer decides to dump his sword again and pick up his bow. It's just stupid.
I still love Dark Souls but that part man, don't get me started. le prepare to die to bullshit edition.
>>320968510
taurus is meant to be the second boss, but experienced players (or guide readers) kan skip it. That's my point
>>320968510
Quelaag could be the second boss by that logic. Or sif.
You can kill them in like 10 seconds, shit you can kill the majority of Dark Souls bosses in 10-15 seconds if you know what you're doing.
>>320969357
It's not even that hard, I think it's one of the more cleverly designed parts of the game.
>>320963704
>everyone in the thread says git gud
>when they probably upgraded their weapons to +5 which makes the fight piss easy
When you can't destroy one of them quickly, they can become a nightmare. And for information, I find that boss with a +0 weapon harder than O&S.
4kids is literally the only Souls boss I've had no trouble with.
I've beat other bosses on the first try, but typically I have to heal or I get hurt or something.
I don't think I ever even got hit by the 4kids.
Why do people have so much trouble with them? I don't mean that as some kind of insult, I genuinely don't even know how they attack
>>320968823
I walked in there not expecting a boss.
Killed them with an unupgraded caestus, no shirt and having to run to the other end of the map and use those charms and whatever else I had to heal.
>>320971019
>cleverly designed
There's nothing clever about it though. Even the biggest retard can come up with it.
>>320971705
Because you have to fight them completely differently than all the other bosses.
>>320971705
they're little bitches now, but on release they used to gank you instead of taking turns
>>320969646
>>320971853
Ah, that'd explain it.
I just ran straight at 'em with my big-ass sword and went to down, then repeated for the next one.
Dark Souls always had lots of terrible bossfights. There is only handful of good ones and I'm really generous.
Tell me /v/,should I buy the das2 sots upgrade if it goes on sale? I never got to play the DLC and I always hear people say it's really good
>>320967278
I bet you've never even SEEN Priscilla before casul
>>320971996
they also do more damage depending on how far you are from them on top of the fight being a dps race
they're pretty much designed to fuck up people who play too defensively
>>320971307
well, you might as well fight them bare handed if your goal is to make it harded
>>320971705
First time playing I didn't notice that if you don't play agressive they start gang raping you up to like the 4th time
Yes, I can be quite retarded sometimes
>>320967619
Go to New Londo from Firelink, kill Ingward to get the Key to the Seal, drain the water in New londo, go through the Valley of Drakes, Darkroot Basin and Garden to get to the Parish and the gargoyles
>>320972312
ye the dlc is really good, and you seem to have enjoyed das2
>>320971307
Fought them with a fucking Cimitar on my first playthrough, and it wasn't even buffed
That fight is the actual start of the "Git Gud" offered by DS
>>320963704
it's a casual filter. What does that mean for OP then...
>>320972312
definitely
>>320971826
It's literally solved by just sprinting at the one on the right.
Shield up or roll through the shot once you're against the wall.
Not sure why you're so butthurt about this.
>>320972646
>>320973050
Also what exactly is different in sots compared to the base game other than different enemy placement and the DLC being included?
>>320963704
because it's incredible easy
>>320972312
DaS2 dlc >>> DaS2 base game
get the upgrade
>>320973562
i think it has a different ending depending on a certain parameter.
either way, the dlc is the same on both versions
>>320973562
it also improves the game's lighting and tosses a bunch more petrified undead everwhere, so fragrant branches of yore become much more important. it also adds a ton of neat friendly and hostile NPCs that help/invade you
>>320967325
you think those fuckers are hard, image board poster?
>>320972312
don't believe these anons, the dlc is utter shit, everything das2 did wrong the dlc even did it worse, from enemy placement to the new areas that are shit, and there are like 3 bosses that are fun (alonne, rime and ivory king) while others are re-skins and/or gankers.
the only good thing it does is that it patches the base game with updates that you can't get otherwise.
not worth the money, unless it's like 4 dollars or so
>Pat SERIOUSLY still thinks that the Bloodletting Beast is Laurence, EVEN THOUGH they're fighting him in the Nightmare
REEEEEEE how are he so consistently so stupid?
>>320973714
I guess that's neat since the original ending was pretty lame. Anyway I looked up and found this page explaining all the differences and while I kinda expected more it's not too bad, that ring which stops you from gaining souls is a decent way to fix one of the problems with soul memory.
>>320974024
>improves lighting
still dissapointed in how they downgraded the original lighting system. From the trailers it looks like DaS 3 has parts that are just as dark as the tomb of giants so hoping it doesn't get downgraded.
>>320974806
Well I was only planning to buy it if it goes 50%-75% off but I still enjoyed das2 regardless.
>>320964476
>throw 2 fireballs at each dog
>run up stairs
>jump attack capra
>repeat from step 2
>>320965125
God, that fight was fun.
>The couldn't possibly pit these many against me
>They do
Good thing I was hauling the Garm Hammer when it was retarded broken against most bosses.
>>320974984
Laurence couldn't be anyone anywhere before the DLC because you find his fucking skull in the cathedral.
>b-but he's headless!
So fucking what? You find the BLB in the dungeons where the beasties have been roaming for ages.
GUYS GUYS THE ABHORRENT BEAST IN THE DUNGEONS IS ACTUALLY THE BEGGAR!!
>>320973209
I have no idea how so many people got stuck here either. Like, if you keep sprinting all the arrows will miss you. The archers also can't shoot you once you reach one of them. You only need to block / roll one arrow.
>>320975585
b-but muh Vaati!
>>320972312
The DLC is highly overrated.
Anons got me all pumped up, but it was a disappointment.
Sure, the DLC are miles better than the base game, they all do something really really well, but none of them are great.
Iron Crown has two GOAT bosses, vertical level design and some good concepts, but the enemy design is pretty bad and the dungeon itself is a huge chore to go through thanks to all the ganking.
Ivory Crown has one GOAT boss, but the others are utter shit. The lore and setting are interesting, with some surprisingly good characters and gimmicks but the design of the enemies and place itself are rather dull.
Sunken Crown's bosses range from mediocre to outright bad, but the level design is solid.
>>320964859
> Not going to Blighttown first like a real adventurer.
>>320967542
Different anon, I found the Drake Sword on my own back in 2011 by trying to cheese the Drake. I though you had to kill it, and finding an area where I seemed to be doing damage but was perfectly safe was my cunning plan.
I bought 300 hundred arrows, but it probably only took 10-15 hits since I had decent Dex (and I bought Heavy Arrows).
When I got the sword I thought I'd actually killed it, and I didn't understand why it just landed again. Then I went online to see if anyone else had found it, and first result was the IGN article.
Okay I recently started BB last weekend and I'm aiming for an arcane build. So far I have nothing. No weapons, nothing at all that can supplement an arcane build. No spells too.
I'm getting my ass handed so far because the enemies are all like damage sponges and it's getting tedious dodging and baiting for backstab and parry because I'm all investing my stat progression on arcane.
What am I doing wrong here Lazlo?
>>320976960
You need more eyes
>>320972603
How would a low level player get through New Londo?
The easy way to bypass Taurus is to kill Havel (aka, buy the dagger and get 20 Backstabs without screwing up) then go into Darkroot then into Undead Parish.
>>320977179
How many and what shall I see? I'm tired of the threaded cane flamesprayer/blunderbuss combo now.
>>320977225
you can also just walk past havel you know
>>320976960
How far are you?
As soon as you can go to Old Yharnam and defeat the boss there, there's a way to get an electric mace called the Tonitrus.
>>320975869
Does anyone watch that fag anymore?
>>320978531
Near Oedon chapel exploring through the cathedral ward and vicar amelia area. Those giant lanky guards are giving me a hard time together with those priests because they're too many of them upstairs.
>>320978670
Pat apparently.
>>320963704
Even in offline mode you can summon solaire. Either git gud, or rely on summons
>>320978757
yeah I was wondering how they expect you to do an arcane build. Im up to byrgenwerth and I have yet to find a single spell and the electric mace you can find bygetting killed by the bag dudes bag attack which will send you to a secret area full of fucking crazy strong dogsscales better with strength anyway.
>>320978941
I haven't watched any of the bloodborn lp, but I'm guessing pat just mimics things he saw in a vaati video and then acts like a know it all?
>>320963704
You fight the second one at half health at least it's not the Maneaters in Demon's where your arena is fucking puny.
>>320978757
If you take the left exit of Oedon Chapel, with the front exit going towards Vicar, there's this path that'll lead to Old Yharnam.
After you defeat the boss at the end of this optional area, which is fairly easy with the NPC summon, two options for arcane weapons will become available.
1.Ridiculously strong bag dudes will spawn at certain places in Cathedral Ward.If they kill you, they'll kidnap you to a fairly high-leveled place, don't worry, there's a lantern there, so you aren't really trappedYou can find a fairly strong mace there that scales with arcane
2. a right exit will open in Oedon Chapel, leading to another optional area, a tower. If you climb up this tower, you can find a badge, which will unlock a greatsword to be bought in the Hunter's Dream, which also scales with arcane. This route is considerably easier imo.
Both are strenght/arcane weapons, but I guess that's better than nothing.
Spells I haven't encountered yet, so I have no idea where you're supposed to find those early game at least.
>>320980416
Thanks for the advice daddy-o I'll be frying up BB after a session ofHoN
