To anyone that recommended me this
Thank you so much. This game is fun as fuck.
Helldivers thread
How's the online with strangers? I don't have friends.
>>320860813
seconding this.
Also whats better? Controller or kb-m?
>>320860813
Fast and fun
I thought there was going to be arampant trolling around but not really
The game is unforgiving enough to try it solo, and feels good to be almost down and pinned to the ground and somebody reacts to your distress call and other players join your game to rescue you
>>320860550
you know the game is good because it isn't talked about on /v/
the people who enjoy it actually play it
>>320860873
Definitely controller i guess. Also you can either tackle with friends only, private or pause and set public mode, so whenever somebody can join your ongoing mission and help out. Or you can look for distress signals on your bridge and join people in the cause.
Yesterday there was the war against the Cyborgs almost done. Today I woke up and lost 3 sectors already in that direction.
Helldiver community pls
>>320860873
controller should be comfier but isn't for some reason, way too inaccurate in a "twinstick shooter" where accuracy is pretty important
>>320860550
Wait until you get the jetpack.
>>320860813
I've met some incompetent players, but never any assholes so far, despite how prevalent friendly fire is
Anyone looking to play?
The game is basically this:
SUPER EARTH is the cradle of Freedoms and Democracies across the galaxy, and right now 3 different identified species are threatening all that is good and righteous to our planet. So you and the whole community are doing drops to retake important positions in a map and take the war to the enemies home planet. If the community claims their homeworld the war in won and the ladders reset.
It's Magicka with 40k. Friendly fire is on, everything deals stupid damage to you, and you have to plan early your route across the objectives and map. You can call defensive shit and mechs and weapons and supplies to last until the shuttle arrives and rescues you after you've done the mission.
The easier difficulty can be brutal to a single player. Coop is seriously needed.
Remove Squ'ith.
Should I get the game with the dlc or just the base game?
>>320862189
Base game's stuff is serviceable as is.
Buy any dlc that would fit your play-style.
>>320862015
I fucking hate those fucking tripods fucking hell
Camera is shit and so far the missions and monsters have been pretty repetitive. I do enjoy that they have put a lot of features in the game that kind of forces you to work together but so far i am not all that impressed by it.
>>320861870
>The easier difficulty can be brutal to a single player.
Nigga I can solo Very Challenging easily. But yeah I hope they add something like optional Republic Commando-Tier friendly AI Helldives for single player.
>>320861198
>i guess
no
>>320860873
it's made for keyboard and mouse
so you should play it with keyboard and mouse
I'm having fun, I want to buy the Sickle (support dlc) thou, think it will go down on steam x-mas sale?
inb4 hurr, can't afford 3€ dlc
>>320862189
There are some useful dlc items (like the drone that displays samples and hidden objectives) but theres a lot just in the base game.
A Dlc pack usually adds one outfit set, one weapon and about 2-4 new strats.
If you get them all you almost double the number of outfits, weapons, and strats.
>Playing with two other friends last night
>"Hey this is getting easy, take it to a higher difficulty"
>Alright, there's a 9 level mission
>Deploy
>A fucking Baneblade tank is waiting for us already
>THE FUCK IS THAT
>Running around the objective desperately
>No fucking AT or ammo left
>Call in for our last exosuit
>Start mowing down the enemy with it, it's our last chance
>"We're going to make this"
>A 4th player has connected
>REINFORCEMENTS HAVE ARRIVED
>The helldrop crushes the mech instantly
>From the ashes, the 4th player comes out
>"Hey guys what's going on-OH SHIT WHA-"
>The entire squad gets gibbed and steamrolled by angry cyborgs
Pretty good.
This "Do you want to know more?" - The Game! I was a bit suprised that there is no /vg/ thread or group talking about it. Or aleast playing it.
>$20 with $40 of DLC
nnnnope
This game is just Magicka with guns. Still funmade by the same people
>>320861870
>>320862608
Hard levels can be solo'd as well but require a completely different play style. Running away and completing or failing objectives as fast as possible is key.
Ive seen videos of players soloing helldives without ever seeing an enemy using a full loadout of distractor beacons.
Scythe or Sickle
Game is awesome. Wasted 5 hours just now with a buddy of mine.
Protip: you don't have to but it to play it online. Revolt crack lets you play online, just make sure you're using a smurf steam account.
>>320863294
Not to defend the DLC but if anyone wants to buy that stuff, get the bundle which makes it 20$ for everything.
One look at the DLC was enought to put me off completely from this.
A shame, but I dont buy DLC filled stuff.
>>320863883
You can still pirate it. I did. It works even with multiplayer.
>>320863143
So I got this nuke missile, it pretty much kills everything on screen
>be me with friends
>being overrun by heavy armor enemies and tanks
>last man standing
>summon the nuke on myself
>prepare revive call down
>die to nuke along with everything else on screen
>revive orb falls out of my characters dead hands
>everyone gets a ress
>no enemies left
Is this what it feels like to be a hero?
Do you need the seperate steam crack/emu/whatever its called to do LAN multiplayer with Hamachi or Evolve?
>>320862806
>it's made for keyboard and mouse
What are your loadouts, /v/?
>>320866312
depends on a lot of things senpai
I don't play with randoms
>>320860550
10/10 annon
they make fun games att that shitty company
>>320863707
Your loss man. Dlc just offers cosmetics and sidegrades and is not required to play the "full game".
Since launch there have been many patches and expansions that have added content for free.
>>320866663
Demolisher/Vehicles/Support pack is pretty useful famzilla.
>>320866312
I use the Punisher whenever I can and try to bring a Rep-80 if I'm not playing solo
>>320866663
>sidegrades
some of the stuff is straight up completely useless or straight up pay to win
>>320866312
Stratagem Priority
Ammo
Medigun/Thunderer airstrike
2 Turrets
>>320866663
While you're right, it isn't required, the All-Terrain Boots perk alone being locked behind a paywall fucking sucks
>>320860550
how much of the DLC is required for fun?
>>320867140
0
the fact that you unlock all of the DLC at the very beginning of the game is guaranteed to just overwhelm you with shit you don't need
>>320866312
For retaliation missions:
Strat priority perk
Tanto
1x stun field
3x sledge artillary
Solo:
Cardio acc perk
Breaker
UAV drone
Distractor beacon
Resupply
Guard dog
With randoms:
Teleport perk
Justice
Railcannon
EAT
Stun field
Resupply
>>320867341
well the pack that comes with the plasma gun and the grenade launcher is really damn good.
That's the only one i'd recommend buying.
Why are there a billion dlcs for this game?
>>320860873
It was ps3/4 first so it's built for twin sticks. But the mouse is just way more accurate. If you want accuracy with a controller you'll need to waste a perk on laser sights, otherwise you're just pointing and guessing. M/KB users get a crosshair where their pointer is.
I've been wanting to get it, but I've been waiting till the Winter sale which starts tomorrow.
Hopefully it'll be discounted. If not, I'll buy it anyway.
My only question is whether or not all the DLC is worth it since it effectively doubles the cost of the game?
>>320867790
>If you want accuracy with a controller you'll need to waste a perk on laser sights, otherwise you're just pointing and guessing.
That's the point. You either use a laser sight to know where you're aiming, or you just point at their general direction and hope you'll hit.
M/KB is basically completely taking away this element from the game.
>>320867848
>since it effectively doubles the cost of the game?
That's the issue. The DLC stuff is a nice addition, but for literally half the price of the goddamn game it's just not worth it.
>>320867680
I think the concept was that each dlc would be a new "character" with its own unique weapons, look, and strats. They have created about 8 new character (more maybe) and then they have mini bundles and a major bundle.
>>320867912
>Guessing
Nigger there's no "guessing" in any mission labeles Hard or higher. Fuck your controller.
>looks good
>check steam page
>14 pieces of DLC already
What gives
>>320860550
glad to help, have a great day ;3
This game is complete garbage and riddled with pay to win DLC. Think of payday 2 but not as fun.
>>320868094
Then why am I dong hell dives with a justice and no laser sight on a controller?
Man up
>>320867790
As you get good at the game its not hard to be accurate and its not even that big of a deal which is why only newbs ever use the laser sight. Also some guns, like the breaker, are super easy to aim.
fuck we almost defeated the bugs a couple days ago, but instead people where like "fuck it im gonna go cyborgs" and so we are starting to lose sectors to them.
>>320868493
This I don't get, why can't the PC community manage to take a planet?
>>320868179
Its been out for most of the year on ps4, vita, and ps3.
>>320868563
isnt the metagame a single universe
i think it says so on the official page
>>320869720
Not sure if pc and sony devices are shared.
>>320869720
>>320869883
no I don't think so
>>320869883
>>320870068
>What is the Galactic Campaign?
>By playing Helldivers, every player (both PC and PlayStation players) in the world participates in the same global meta campaign called the Galactic Campaign. Each time a player completes a planet their progress is uploaded and their contribution to the Galactic Campaign will be registered. From time to time, the enemy will try to counterattack, spawning events where you have to defend a city planet from invading enemies.
>both PC and PlayStation players
>in the same global meta campaign
>>320870494
well then how the fuck did PS alone manage to do anything if combined we can't manage to do anything
>>320870560
maybe since it came out on pc, they made it harder?
>>320870560
Cause they increased the difficulty for the influx of new players
>>320860550
Too expensive for top down indie garbage. Looks like a fucking cell phone game.
>>320870894
Here (You) go.
the rewards are complete ass after you get the item from the planet
>>320870560
Its starts off hard and if the community cant fight back it eases it down a bit. If the community loses the war before its dropped to a managable difficulty then the next war starts easier. Works the same way if its too easy.
>>320871271
well so far nothing has happened really
maybe its because when attacking a home planet, half the community isn't helping
>>320863595
Sickle. Be the Imperial Guard.
>>320871385
a big part might be that the community just picked it up on pc, so they want to get their planet rewards first?That's why I don't help
does difficulty scale similar to something like Killing Floor 2? ie there are several difficulty levels to choose from and then you get more enemies depending on the number of players on the server
any info on if or when it will come to xbox one?i'm itching to get this on console to play coop with bro but no ps4 yet.
I fucking hope its timed exclusive, if not i'll be missing out...
>>320863707
PRETTY SURE the $20 bundle is just a bundle of the DLCs, which does NOT include the base game.
>>320871660
what's a planet reward and why is the game mechanic enticing you from helping in the meta game... shouldn't the devs encourage players to act as a team? seems like the reward system is broken?
>>320867060
boots are only useful if you are solo or everyone on the team has them. There is no point to them if you're the only one out of your team of 4 that has them.
>>320871679
Difficulty is stated in what planet you pick in a sector.
More objectives and enemies show up in higher levels.
>>320860550
What platform should I get it on? Personally I'd prefer playing it on a handheld, so how's the Vita version?
>>320871932
stratagem rewards for completing all the missions on a planet
you only get them once though, so I wouldn't say it's necessarily broke.
Will be getting once on sale.
Also, steam sales when? We've pasted the usual sales date now.
>>320871679
Yes. Enemies are more frequent, more enemy types, more mission, and spawning is infinite.
>>320872087
Vita is fine though controls can be annoying. Reload and grenades are mapped to a sliding motion on the rear touch pad. It can be fixed by remapping the vitas controls but then if u want to play a diffrtent game youll have to restore the vita to its default controls.
Is this one of those shitty top-down games?
>>320872087
It's not bad, but you understand the game will take a hit. The frame rate isn't as good, but barely runs at a serviceable level during heavy combat. The effects are also greatly reduced. You will also have less hud information displayed in regards to what your teammates are using. But it's not bad. You'll have fun but it won't look as good
SICKLE
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SHIT
>>320862524
Using the UAV should pull the camera out a bit.
do you think it'll go on sale soon
>>320874579
It was recently released so probably not.
10-20% off at best during the winter sale.
>>320866312
The heavy machine gun - laser sight or armor
Wire fence
Turret
Guard dog /shield
Depends on mission, goliath, wire fence
>>320861870
>Magicka with 40K
40K? Have you never seen Starship Troopers? It's got very little in common with 40K.
>>320876457
or Magicka
>play for 20 minutes
>m&kb controls are utter fucking shit
>almost 1k post long thread about it in the forums
>devs don't care
Refunding this shit, fuck you for hyping it so much here.
>>320877470
>genre is literally called TWIN STICK
>surprised m+kb controls are shit
>>320877559
>rebranding genres after peripherals
>implying there aren't dozens of top down shooters with perfect m&kb controls
>defending shitty lazy devs
>>320866663
>Dlc just offers cosmetics and sidegrades and is not required to play the "full game".
Pfthahahah
Iv purchased Helldivers on PS4 and PC, and all its DLC on both
And let me just say, the DLC is totally P2W and completely outclasses ALL The default stuff.
>>320877470
what is shit about the controls
>>320877470
i play this with m+kb fucking fine
>>320878141
Read the thread:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/394510/discussions/0/492379439676798252/?tscn=1450654806#p1
just bought the digital deluxe edition, was this a mistake?
>>320878353
>http://steamcommunity.com/app/394510/discussions/0/492379439676798252/?tscn=1450654806#p1
that thread is a little long
the problem is...that the crosshair is invisible!?
>>320878479
Read the OP at least.
>>320878447
you paid half the price of the game for mostly useless stuff
>>320878353
So a bunch of cry babies who are bad at the game are bitching.
No one cares.
>>320878116
Some of the summon items are pretty op. Didn't feel that the weapons were that good though, some of them feels rather bad thing, haven't upgraded then though
>>320877470
>>320878353
>getting so buttfuckingblasted that you suck you make a thread then spam it on /v/
We know its you in those threads
And yes, you are pathetic.
>no way to remove PRESS E TO JOIN
>hud isn't centralized for some god knows what fucking reason
I mean come on
>>320878630
its only 20 bucks, i don't really care about that
is it going to negatively effect my experience by having all that shit at the start?
>>320878353
>made the game harder to aim in so taking your time to aim was more important with a controller
>everyone is fine with this
>do the same with KB/M to keep it balanced and maintain the games experience
>WAH WHY CANT I NOSCOPE LIKE IN MY COD, WHERE IS MY CROSSSSHAAAIIRRR
Jesus
>>320878763
I literally bought the game yesterday after such a hype thread.
If you enjoy ass backwards controls wich are done better in every single topdown shooter on PC since two decades and regard it as skill, then go ahead.
I remember being mocked by pcucks for praising this game.
It's alot of fun.
If Resogun ever comes to PC, get it, it's another great one.
>>320878908
>is it going to negatively effect my experience by having all that shit at the start?
Yeah if you use it.
>>320879062
>If you enjoy ass backwards controls wich are done better in every single topdown shooter on PC since two decades and regard it as skill, then go ahead.
You're right, I will go ahead and play it and enjoy it
I suggest you either refund or fuck off, but dont bitch about good game design and call it bad just because you dont like it.
>>320867912
>M/KB is basically completely taking away this element from the game.
this sounds like a shitty element to the game so I don't see why it's a bad thing it isn't there for m/kb users.
>>320879173
I will call things how they are, in this case it's a lazy port with crippled m&kb controls.
Nothing more, nothing less.
You fuck off.
>>320879421
>I will call things how they are
And being stupid everything you say is also stupid
Funny that, this is your last you
>>320879362
Sounds like you're a complete shitter then.
>>320871835
The game with bundle is $40, the DLC bundle itself is $25
>>320867912
Its not that hard to see where a gun is pointing,
>>320879421
Whats supposed to be wrong with the mouse anyway?
>>320878250
it's bad but it's not unplayable
encourages you to git gud because your character can't 360 quickscope things, just like Magicka.
>>320879496
>u stupid
Nice comeback son.
>>320868335
Doing hell dives doesn't mean shit. Call me when you start finishing them with all objectives faggot
>>320879664
>Its not that hard to see where a gun is pointing,
It's not, but the laser sight still helps immensely. Especially with weapons that don't have penetration.
It's a trade-off, a decision you have to make, a decision you don't have to make on m+kb because you get it for free.
>>320879932
Do controllers not have an aim button or something? Whats the difference supposed to be?
>>320879529
>Sounds like you're a complete shitter then.
Ah, the usual "you're just bad" defense of fanboys everywhere. Considering I'm playing with m/kb it's not even relevant in this case since I already have the crosshair.
Why don't you try to provide arguments for why having to guess where you're shooting is a good thing, and that I'm missing out for not having it?
>>320880068
because it's twin stick, they don't have a crosshair I believe
>watching a friend play this game
>looks like starship troopers+warhammer 40K
>fighting off wave after wave of bugs with ridiculously OP weapons
>characters are yelling shit like FOR DEMOCRACY!!!
>after they've killed wave after wave of aliens game says MISSION COMPLETE: PERFORM GEOLOGICAL SURVEY
instant buy
>>320880095
I dont think the crosshair is that much of a bonus. I dont even notice it half the time.
>>320864964
Holy shit man that sounds so cool, i might have to pick this game up now.
>>320860550
I really liked this game for about 10 hours but the lack of diversity in stratagems really killed it for me afterwards. I really was hoping to see a wide array of stratagem builds but in the end everything just feels like it falls short.
>>320880164
You made the right decision. The devs made a Gauntlet game that was on sale for dirt cheap and I had enough fun with that to warrant getting this. Here's to hoping the DLC will be on sale during the winter
anyone up for a game on pc?
How about a nice cup of Liber-tea~
the real question is, why isn't anyone of you playing Magicka: Wizard Wars? it's free and it's tons of fun.
>>320880851
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Man fuck digging up unexploded bombs. Why dont we just call in a bigger bomb to set them all off? Destroying them counts as disarming anyway.
Am I pleb for using auto injector?
>>320881609
When half the shit in the galaxy can kill you in a couple hits? No.
>>320881065
Fuck those hunched unarmored bullet sponge gollum cyborgs
Fuck those tripod tanks with shields
Fuck those laser sniper protoss ripoffs
>>320881904
And fuck impalers in particular.
>>320876810
I think the game mechanics are pretty similar to Magicka.
HOLY FUCKING CHRIST, How the fuck do I improve the turning speed of the EXO, it's still fucking slow!
>Invading Cyborg planet on Helldiver difficulty
>Dashing past alerted enemies
>Hear the usual "HELLDIVER SSSSSCUM" and other stupid shit they say
>Faintly hear a "TRAITOR SCUM" in the distance
>Encyclopedia says the cyborgs broke off from super earth on their own and waged terror
What is Super Earth hiding from us beneath its suspiciously patriotic propaganda?
>>320882306
>Collect samples > get research points > Upgrade EXO stratagem
Which Exo by the way?
>>320882306
You're riding a second healthbar with a minigun and a missile rack and you're complaining about turn speed?
Expect benefits with drawbacks.
>>320860813
90% of the time enjoyable
The other 10% you get kicked
Game is great but you will run into elitists once in a while.
>>320860873
They both have advantages, unless you absolutely want to play with controller, I would stick with keyboard.
>>320863294
>game costs the same as Witcher 3 with Expansion pass or GTA5 in my region
>DLC pack costs more than the base game.
Sony gonna Sony. It ain't Playstation, I'm not going to buy this game for this price.
>>320862524
Maybe you shouldn't play on babby difficulty.
>>320864964
>2 players
>Play kill x amount of enemies mission
>out of ammo an everything
>call down a tank
>kill everyone
>extraction beacon lands on our tank, killing us both in the process
>mission failed
it's alright. Game is pretty fun.
>>320882663
Some motherfuckers kicked me from a game because I ran onto the drop ship rather than revive everyone. Which might be understandable if we weren't fucking surrounded with five seconds left to go and I hadn't actually thrown the beacon already. I thought it would wait for the rest of them to drop in.
>>320882767
You could just not buy the DLC.
>>320882961
>>320882961
>>extraction beacon lands on our tank, killing us both in the process
>>mission failed
so something that would rightfully be regarded as broken is somehow extra fun in this game?
>>320860550
HOW ABOUT A NICE CUP OF LIBER-TEA!?!
Can this run on toasters?
>>320860550
Got this game ages ago, and the dev couldn't keep the servers up half the time.
Couldn't stand this game with pubbies. If they didn't turn it into a friendly fire simulator, they were dragging out missions wasting precious resources on killing monsters. The game only rewards you for completing objectives and finding artifacts.
Most of the lower missions could be soloed with a bit of stealth and the right gear. Lower midlevel missions need a bit of luck. After that, you're stuck dealing with pubbies.
>>320883229
The extraction beacon has a giant fucking marker you can see well before it drops
He and his partner fucked up, not the games fault
Stop being such a fucking casual cry baby
>>320883229
How is it broken? Drop ships are fucking heavy. One kills a squad in the games trailer so its not like you wouldn't know about it.
>>320883057
A lot of items in DLCs are straight up better and more useful.
Even without DLC, this game costs more than Witcher 3 and close to GTA5 especially with all these sales.
And if I want to get them later I have to pay almost triple the price I will play for DD bundle
>>320883342
>precious resources
>stealthing
>using "the right gear"
holy shit I am so glad you're not playing anymore because you sound like anti-fun.
>>320883318
i get 20-30 fps at around higher settings (i dont remember if there actually are settings to change shit) on a computer that would have been bad 9 years ago.
Airstrikes, especially fire ones, lag me to fucking hell
>>320883519
Yeah precious resources generally arent something you can just call down to replenish at will.
>>320883519
>Not stealthing whenever possible
>Especially when soloing
>>320883710
>not ensuring you remain undetected with overwhelming firepower
Dead aliens tell no tales.
>>320883839
Well yeah I do kill all the scouts I come accross.
>>320883931
Well what the fuck else would you come across to sneak past then? Laser snipers, stealth bugs and robo dogs? No reason to leave them alive.
>>320883519
You will never see anything past the starter missions without serious coordination from your teammates.
Have fun deleting the game from your hard drive in a week.
>>320884205
my group of friends just fuck around and we've cleared a hell dive and plenty of less difficult missions
>yfw you die from the shuttle
>>320885595
I've never seen this happen to anyone.
Don't stand right next to the beacon.
>>320885746
Ive done this and it was somewhat common when the game first launched. You get so engaged in fighting off enemies you forget about the shuttle or not notice youve creeped onto the landing zone.
>>320877470
M+kb works well
>>320883473
what
>>320885746
it happens at least once to most people
of course you won't be dumb enough to die to it again.
>>320862806
>keyboard and faggot
well I just played my first game, solo since I have no friends
did 2 level 1 missions against the bugs and they were pretty easy, saw that the ethereals have their homeworld under siege so I went in on a level 3 mission and got rekt
Guess I need to play with other people.
>>320889584
The game takes a little getting used to.
Practice, upgrade, and group up.
>>320889584
I found level 3 missions easy enough solo, but past that I preferred having another person around. It's still not that hard to do higher level missions by yourself, but doing them in a group is more entertaining a lot of the time.
>>320892285
well I kept getting spotted by those floating scouts who would then call in those little walkers who kept overwhelming me. Also there was a sniper dude but he wasn't a problem. I was trying to take control points and because guys are constantly spawning I didn't even have time to call in any support or anything.
>>320877470
>start up DCS world
>doesnt werk with KB+M
FUCKING RETARDED REFUND REFUND REFUND
>>320892823
On my first few level 3 missions, I got through without much fighting by spamming radar. If you have a good idea where the scouts are at all times, it's a lot easier to either avoid them or shoot them (though the Illuminate scouts are still some of the most obnoxious). When it came time to do a stationary objective, I'd drop a machine gun turret, lay on the ground, and move in the opposite directions of incoming patrols. If the laser sniper guys target your turret outside of its range, run up to him quickly and rape his face, then lay down again. Move around as much as possible; if patrols catch you, run the fuck away and don't look back until they've given up. Don't bother fighting summons unless it's really worth it.
>>320893959
is it really viable to avoid them?
what kind of loadout do you like? I got the digital deluxe edition and I'm kind of overwhelmed by the amount of choice I have so I've just been staying with mainly basic stuff. I went down with the autoshotgun as my main weapon, a turret, heavy machine gun, flamethrower, and extra ammo. I tried using close air support a bit but whenever I was in serious trouble I didn't have time to call it in.
>>320860550
What is the lack of player customization?
Literally male and female make no difference.
Theres no lewd armor for females.
Nor color palettes for armor.
The rest of the game I have no gripe with though.
Pretty solid game.
>>320876457
I bet you're just INCREDIBLY bearable in public. Just...ABSOLUTELY the pinnacle of conversation.
.....quit fucking nit picking jesus christ.
>>320895301
Different armor, helmet, and capes.
Your point?
You're in the military, dumbass.
Color palettes are to differentiate between factions.
>>320879421
Your fedora is fucking blinding me.
>>320895493
You're pretty....... COOL yourself... man.
>>320895493
Congratulations, not only is your post EXPUNGING autism, but you've got SEVERE amounts of mental retardation if you think 40K and Starship Troopers are similar.
>>320896204
Different anon.
Killing xenos and screaming about nationalism are common between the two.
>>320896484
An orange has seeds like an apple.
>>320895019
Without Distractor Beacon some conflict with patrols is inevitable since they like to crowd around objectives, but a large amount of them can be avoided by slipping around their movement patterns, yes.
I don't have any of the dlc so I can't weigh in on the options, but for the playstyle I'm suggesting, short- to mid-range weapons aren't ideal. My favorite early weapon for Illuminate was the Scythe, but even the default rifle is plenty good enough for level 3 missions. When I didn't have much in the way of good weapons or stratagems, my generic go-to was two turrets and two ammo. You probably don't need the ammo that much with an upgraded Scythe, but the turrets are obviously really helpful for capturing and waiting for the shuttle.
