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Is this game not shit yet?
No, they still think chasing golden hearts where you stand around and thwack mobs is good PvE design.
it's become worse
I was actually about to make a thread, because I'm downloading it right now.
Nah, it's even worse now. It's a railroad grindfest now.
the devs have somehow made it worse
a feat for sure, but baffling
>>320855469
Better than not reading quest text you don't give a shit about, then thwack mobs, then run back to the quest giver.
Besides, they stopped doing that for max level areas and the entire expansion.
>>320855517
>>320855469
>>320855723
>>320855625
How the fuck is that even possible?
You've gotta be trolling me, right?
>>320855267
>listening to /v/
I seriously hope none of you actually do this.
play the game and form your own opinions, its free.
>>320855846
no you don't understand
the game is actually so bad i
>>320855846
Well I did play it, it was very boring and the "no tanks/healers/dps" shit was really annoying, and running around like a headless chicken trying to do whatever I can to level up since there were no real quests outside the story missions (????) was annoying as shit.
I was HOPING they'd have fixed all that in the 3 years it's been out.
>>320855791
You will not find positive opinions of GW2 on /v/.
You won't find positive opinions of most MMOs in general on /v/.
>>320855791
this is from the expansion
>>320855791
It's not a joke. On the other hand, the expansion is a real joke here. They added 4 maps, killed dungeon system, killed fractals of the mists, made pvp even worse than it was before. The new personal story can be beaten in 2 hours. It's not worth buying unless you buy it with a HUGE discount.
>>320855783
>Better than not reading quest text you don't give a shit about
Having uninteresting stories isn't an issue with the quest system, it's an issue with the writing. Most great RPGs of the last few years are little more than read quest, perform quest, return.
Guild Wars 2 takes a system that isn't broken and removes the most important element: story telling. Usually, I don't care about stories in most games but RPGs are a genre specifically formulated to revolve around an interesting story.
Taking well established systems and replacing them with inferior alternatives seems to be the recurring theme in GW2.
>>320855267
play black desert instead
>>320856290
It's not like any and all context for story is gone just because there's no text. Most of the time the NPCs speak actual dialogue and events happen in the general area related to what the heart quests objectives are.
In the max level and newer areas the heart quests are just phased out completely and all the context and story is done in the public events. Even though there's the risk of you running into a story heavy event as its ending I like how active the way they do this is. Shit is actually happening even though it's on a repeating cycle. It's definitely what got me through to the level cap compared to every other MMO I've tried where I get bored halfway.
>>320856734
Can this meme end
>>320856061
> that
> worse
?????
>>320856802
can your life end
>>320855935
Whole point was to level up doing everything. Crafting, missions, exploring, hearts
>>320857009
If only
>>320855791
oh man where do I start
>3 years of crappy/no updates
>"hey, all those gemstore outfits and rng-box weapon skins are cool, but could we earn more skins and rewards through the expac?"
>"Sure!"
>locks them all behind insane rng/grind, yet still much content in the $50/75/100 expansion in the end
>pumps out more cash stuff anyway
>"Enjoy, and feel free to purchase this 2000 gem/$25 outfit bundle!"
but to recap in short, their economist doubled down on mat/gold grind and time gates in their -still- barebones pve (while killing off existing rewards for dungeons and fractals), managed to turn the WvW community into a ghost town with their shitty new maps and lack of updates (with rumors of axing servers entirely flying around), and have currently fucked up their precious PvP scene by rushing out a shitty system that makes little sense competitively and has the balanced-consistency of bad case of the runs.
That's all 3 of their game modes in the span of a couple months, not even. Game was already starved for content and fleshing out for years prior, but Jesus Christ that is still something.
Everything's about it is just crap, except for new zone design. At least those are pretty while you're running the same meta over and over again for meager rewards. I can go on, but in a nutshell ArenaNet still have no idea what to do with the game.
>>320857607
How can they go from Guild Wars' PVP system to GW2?
How can they go from Guild Wars (the entire game) to Guild Wars 2 and ruin it?
ALL they had to do was just bring Guild Wars to the open world.
>play expansion
>it's fun for about a week
>the remaining content is just grinding for masteries or skins or some shit
>just like the base game
Nope, hasn't changed.
>>320855267
It was only good at launch. It'll never have that again.
>>320855846
/v/ is fucking retarded about MMOs more than anything else possibly but I'm being fair with my criticism.
>temporary content all over the place for the first three years
>most of it is shit with a handful of exceptions
>release possibly the worst expansion in MMO history
>this shitfest had no new hard instanced content at launch, four maps, endless "mastery" grind, an awful story, and made the base game rewards shit to force you to pay for it
I really wish nothing but suffering upon Neo-Anet, and the way they've raped, murdered, and exhumed the corpse of the Guild Wars brand.
The good:
Trahearne is dead
The bad:
everything else
>>320857791
>open world
Here's the secret. Persistent worlds in theme park MMOs are shit.
>>320856734
>korean MMO
into le fucking garbage bin
If you're going to go Buy2Play get Elder Scrolls Online. GW2's world manages to feel more lifeless than fucking WoW.
>>320858252
As opposed to all those amazing western MMOs, right? At least Black Desert's combat is fun. Shame about the grind and lack of content.
>>320858243
It feels bad being the only person on earth who didn't hate Trahearne.
>>320856061
what the fuck is that bulldyke tranny thing with red hair?
>>320858353
Please tell me what you liked about him, for further research.
>>320855783
>reading quest text
full voice acting has been a standard for years. you can have NPCs speak without having them roam around the world like retards causing you to miss half the dialogue as you fight
>>320858534
There's nothing I really hated, people always complain about him taking all the player characters credit but I've never been able to relate. Hell, most of the time he's just thanking you for being an integral part of the Pact's success.
He was just pretty unoffensive overall, just your plant-bro who respected you and appreciated everything you did to help him, and I didn't even start with a Sylvari character so I never had any preexisting backstory with him until CLOHR EYELAND.
>>320856061
What the fuck is going on here?
>>320858353
I didn't hate him, he was just a useless character. He was some vague scholar that was useless in a fight, constantly whining and depressed, apparently knew shit all about Orr despite researching it for years, and got his carrot massaged by every single character in the game despite all this.
I started playing it only a month ago. Leveled an Elementalist first and thought I fucked up the personal story by killing Zhaitan after hitting 80. Thought I wasted the XP.
Turns out you can only get it by doing the shitty, shitty, HoT zone grinds. Don't even get me started on mastery.
Getting a smidgen of xp per quest and being stuck at level 81 for hours was all I needed to quit. I find it horribly laughable that I started playing because the internet claimed it was the least grindy MMO.
I STILL CRY EVERYTIME
>>320858793
For human storyline especially he just appears out of nowhere and suddenly becomes the leader of the entire offensive. It was ridiculously contrived and obnoxious.
Every character and storyline in the personal story, save Tybalt, was forgettable at best and cringeworthy at worst.
Every time I see these threads, the autist with me just wants to start writing out all the shit that went wrong with this game over the years. But there's so fucking much to bring up, to go into, and cover to get the full picture.
The frog-post image you see every other thread just scratches the surface of stuff of the basic criticisms for the game. But you can just dive right into the dev team, shit-design philosophy, economy, individual updates, plot and "living story"- just fucking everything and how it all connects to one another- and only then maybe touch the bottom.
All leads to one conclusion though, and that's just how shit this dev crew is. Painfully mediocre, passionless, and disconnected from the playerbase. A sad waste of potential.
>>320860154
If you ever felt like channeling your inner autist to write it, my inner autist would be interested in reading it
>>320860154
do tell.
I got the game when it was like 10 bucks and played like 80 hours. So i dont have a strong hatred for it. Hated the endgame grind for basically nothing.
>>320855791
They sold an unfinished DLC. A lot of the high end items are locked because it hasn't been added yet. They also broke dungeons(gold farming) and PvP to push new content.
>>320857791
The devs in charge never played GW1.
This thread seems as good as any. I'm about to start GW1 and am torn between Assassin and Ranger. I was leaning towards Assassin since apparently they're the most versatile when it comes to PvE builds.
Unpopular opinion:
GW2 is good with respect to what demographic it actually targets, not what demographic it was advertised to target. That being babbies. It's babbies first themepark MMO, but it's good for that.
y/n?
>>320861797
I still can't believe that even if I wouldn't be surprised it was said by them. This is exactly the initial flow of evaluating candidates when devs hire for a new game team:
>Did you play *previous game we made*?
>"No."
>Ok, fuck you. Next resume please!
Unless it's for a incredibly niche thing that requires no knowledge like new art direction or backend server engineer or some shit. Having a design team that hasn't played a game the sequel is based on is sacrilege.
>
>reduced dungeon rewards to force people to buy their awful xpac
and that's when I uninstalled
I played it off and on when really bored, not touching it all now
>Devs in charge never played the original
>staff is full of SJWs that are like bad carictures of insane tumblrites
>invited anita to the studio and listened to her advice
>lead lore writer absolutely fucked the game it's all about salad people with tumblr levels of fanction
>Lead dev recently left
>gameplay is monotonous grinding and the in game store recieves all the love
>pvp loses it luster fast
>pve is a joke
GW2 is awful, avoid it like the plague.
>>320862309
Absolutely. You need a core of veteran devs for gameplay, balance and quest/dungeon/raid design, maybe some new people if you want to mix it up. But they fucked it up for GW1 players and just left them out to dry.
I think it had some good art direction though, especially the concept art and that kind of watercolor/painting ascetic.
>>320859114
>being stuck at level 81
They raised the fucking level cap?
>>320858793
lettuce heads were clearly forced by whoever was writing the game, everything just revolved around their bitch asses
>>320856061
Fucking plant people again?
>>320856061
Eir's eyes look off. She looks like a smartie from Giants: Citizen Kabuto
>>320862597
Of course not, anon. That would be betraying the playerbase. They just added "mastery levels" on top of the max level. Totally a different thing.
>>320862597
No, but there are "mastery ranks" you earn that are basically a levels. Up to 180, I think.
And reaching that is the equivalent of leveling more than 20 alts.
I remember the hype train where images like this were created. What went wrong?
>>320855605
>because I'm downloading it right now.
WEWMAO
EWMAO
WMAO
MAO
AO
Onew computer so no laughing tom cruise reaction images sorry. enjoy your shit game though
>>320862729
The salads are almost as bad as playable Charr.
>mfw Charr are now dindu nuffin tier despite being a war mongering, legitimately evil race of monstrous, homicidal cat people
>>320862903
Remember how Arenanet was supposed to defeat Blizzard?
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>>320862824
Never been more glad I stopped playing this piece of shit.
>tfw GW had 20 levels you could reach in a day.
>>320857791
Only one developer from GW1 team is left
95% of the current team never played GW1
90% of the current team never PvP
50% of the current team never played GW2
Most of Anet's current work force is composed of unpaid interns
>>320862903
Because those money hungry jews at Blizzard forked into Arenanet, contaminating both companies at once. The trickle down was only felt when 2 shipped.
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hows that new raid they boasted about?
i wonder if anyone actualy cleared it
>>320862998
>Konami
>that cool family of vampire hunters
>actually, pretty much over well over half of those descriptions
Where did it all go so horribly wrong?
>>320863115
I thought it was SJW that ruined Arenanet and the Blizzard guys left.
>>320862980
DID NOTHING WRONG
NO PEACE WITH BEASTS
>>320863124
The guild that were beta testing it for months beat it the night it was released then boasted about being world first.
>>320862998
>blizzard
>corrupted
poetry
I like GW2 for what it is.
It's not an MMO that you play full-time. It's not highly competitive. It's a simple game you log into and explore world, while working towards broadly built goals (ascended armor, cosmetic gear, titles, etc). You just run around fighting stuff and collecting resources for whatever goals you've picked. You can do dungeons and the new raid if you're into that. You can do pvp or wvw, whatever.
Log in here and there and have a bit of fun. It's not a fulltime job with an endless gear grind like other mmos. I play it whenever they release new content, and once I've seen that content I shelf it again. I think this is fine. There is no sub fee and the game is free. I like it.
>>320863224
>>320863124
Yeah, Death n Taxes, they got banned from beta testing raid content in the future for that move too.
Most critical flaws
>6th day into game, a day before AH was supposed to be launched. They left a bug in Norn starting zone for Racial Weapons / T3 Armor.. people have been dismantling them to get eco's = GW1 major currency and at launch GW2's.
Anet proceed to mass ban players for their own fault.
Having an Auction House, pretty much the backbone for their money exchange shop and costumes.
The economy never needed it, they designed terrible outfits and gave no leveling rewards of cosmetic value from 1-80.
They had no reward system for quests, you would grind the hearts in one area = not grinding.
The event system was restricted to one series in a few special maps.
Criticisms always resulted in bans.
Abandoned the best game design achievements of GW1
Killed the story, superficial Role Playing choices that didn't reflect on anything.
God I wish there will be a game that fleshes out companion customization + story again.
>>320856061
>le arrow to the knee xD
>>320862980
>They are a monsterous race for wanting the land that was stolen from them in the first place by brutal uncaring humans backed by god power
Right.
>>320862903
>>320862998
someone post that comic with the wolf being lead by a stick and trying to fit in with the other sheep mmo players
haven't seen it in years, but I remember it a lot when the GW2 manifesto was still being thrown around seriously (fucking RIP)
guild wars writing has always been shit
the only difference in gw2 is that the gameplay has become shit too
What MMOs does /v/ like that isnt vanilla WoW?
>>320862729
the whole expansions pretty much about plant people
>>320862095
If it's your first time, go Assassin.
There's a whole bunch of reasons, but in the end: chaining skills is fun as hell.
Things like WotA + heroes buffs and PvE skills can carry you through most content, including harder things, even before 7-heroes became a thing.
(i even managed to dig a relevant screenshot)
Also decent versatility and #1 farming class.
Ranger is ok but for regular PvE has less viable builds and while ins SC/farming can be even better than Assassin at times, it's a quite more advanced thing.At least since last time i played, but considered GW1 went off development i doubt anything remarkable changed over the years.
>>320856061
Christ that animation is terrible.
She looks like she's doing fucking kabuki, how she shakes her head and grimaces so cartoonishly. Would look better with almost no animation. Like just blinking and looking.
>>320863885
>that UI size
>no Koss
>Olias instead of Master of Whispers
literally kill yourself eurocuck
>>320856734
I've been hearing about that shit for 3 years it's too late now
>>320863763
/v/ hates any game that requires social skills. ASSFAGGOTS for example.
>tfw I played both betas
>tfw I was hyped as fuck
>bought at full price
>1 month later I stopped and never looked back
this game taught me not to preorder
>>320863885
Thanks for the info. Not exactly my first time but it's been very very long since I last played. I really liked the Ranger armor sets as opposed to the Assassin ones but if Assassin is that good I can deal with all the spikes and clipping.
>>320863076
>Most of Anet's current work force is composed of unpaid interns
I would think they are contract workers. That is why they have some many frameworks that get abandoned. Hire contract guys, they work on framework, they finish let them go, no one left to care about the framework.
>>320859805
Tybalt was based. That's the one positive about the storyline.
>tfw you guess the password at the Order of Whispers
;_;7
>>320862980
In GW1 they explained the reason why they were war mongering in the first place. Their homeland was being overun by humans. Fuck. Get your shit together Tyrone.
>>320864267
>requires social skills
been playing since beta, achieved plat once. 3 players on my friends list -- not once have I spoken to them.
>>320864139
Tell that to the resolution i had on the old-ass pc i used to play gw1 on.
I used to optimized equip for different builds on different heroes, probably that's why there's not the based MoW around.
About Koss, the heroes AI for War was kind of disappointing compred to casters.
And having around one of them while playing meele when you have to keep control of where the horde of mobs will be aggroed is asking for trouble.
>>320855791
E-sports man
>>320864832
Did they ever do SAB3? One of the few enjoyable parts of the game.
>>320864930
No, they haven't.
>>320864832
>they shat on their pro-gaymer e-spawts players too
>>320864930
hints here and there in the datamines over the year, but nope
>>320862903
>no mention of Runic
Shit chart shilling a shit game.
>>320863357
did they use an expoit or something?
>>320855267
Its an mmorpg, it will always be shit.
>>320865243
nah, they were just privately testers prior to release, beat it when it was released, and went all "WORLD FIRST YEEEAH SUCK IT" with their headstart
it was pretty funny seeing Anet snub them, at least
>>320865243
No, they had tested this content for about a month or maybe more. Once anet released raids DnT just finished the first wingin 15 minuted and proclamed to be the first and called this content really easy. Anet got really salty and announced that DnT won't participate in future closed betas.
>>320862903
have you considered that the image you posted is factually incorrect? start there
>>320865584
>>320865702
kek
>>320860154
Here you go.
On the subject of dungeons, just how fucked was the gold gain?
>>320863124
Now that people now what to do, it's easy to find a pub group to complete all three available raids.
I saw a group complete the first raid with 5 players instead of the normally required 10.
>>320865995
Dropped from 1.5g to 30s per path.
>>320865176
>Runic
They made TL 1 and 2, both pretty solid games. But since then, I never heard of them again, only that a bunch of staff left them.
Is that studio dead?
>>320865995
In most cases, rewards were reduced a third of what they once were, I think. Running 3 explorable paths now only equals about what you've would've gotten for 1 path before.
Fractal rewards also got utterly nerfed to the ground for free players. Now it's mostly all locked behind their $50 expansion paywall and several million exp mastery grind.
>>320866617
http://www.hobgame.com/
>>320863224
>world first
I can only imagine the pathetic NEETs that think getting world first in GW2 is an accomplishment.
>>320862903
>guildwars is over 10 years old
s-shit...
>>320866617
They're owned by a chinese company, so might as well be.
>>320867125
>puzzle based dungeon crawl
Absolutely no one asked for this and it will be shit.
>>320864930
Aparently all their system changes has made a SAD impossible.
That and SAD doesnt get them gem bucks.
>>320862903
>vultures eating at its corpse
lmao
whoever made this was probably 30 years old or something probably spent a little too much time playing vanilla wow
>>320855267
I played at release and stopped playing really soon after hitting 80 and crafting full exotics because there was nothing to do.
I came back recently and there is so much to do now, the game is so much better than at release. The game was fun before but there was just no end game, now there's loads: fractals, raids, world bosses with good rewards (same bosses as before but just better to do), raid, zone meta events.
No to mention the new zones in the xpac are miles above any zone I've seen in any mmo.
>>320856061
Meanwhile in Factions.
https://youtu.be/3meKrcjQpYk
>>320858846
Western animation
>>320863629
>>They are a monsterous race for wanting the land that was stolen from them in the first place
Nope, they conquered it from the Forgotten. Charr homeland is further north. They descended south and massacred every single Forgotten that was in Ascalon, with the survivors fleeing south into the Crystal Desert.
>>320868475
I didn't even make it past like 60, I was so fucking bored.
>>320869717
Tbh i was always playing with my partner for leveling which probably makes it more enjoyable to do those hearts. The hearts can be really boring but when you get to high level zones it's all events and meta events going on all the time which works a lot better.
>Anet promised a new way to get legendary precursors
>Instead of being a fun way of doing it via adventures and playing the game, it is a soul crushing material grind.
To craft The Legend (staff precursor) you need 85 spiritwoods. If you want to do it yourself, it's 85 days (since residues are time gated), and thousands of all kind of logs.
>>320870331
You don't need legendaries to enjoy the game to the full, the have the same stats as ascended. They're purely for looks/status.
Rather than being like "oh no I need to grind a gorrillion mats" just play the game and slowly the mats will come.
>>320870331
People always seem to forget that the timegate is avoidable. Sure, it costs more to directly buy the spiritwood planks, but we should at least consider it as an option.
>>320870781
Buying all the spiritwood end up costing more than getting the precursor directly from the AH. Each residues crafted lowers the cost.
>>320870781
It's always some WoW scrub that wants to be handed the best things on a silver platter after playing for a week after hitting 80 while having barely 10g to their name.
>>320870598
The problem is that the end-game in gw2 IS fashion. Since there is no vertical progression and that even the most mindless retard can 100% everything, the only way to rise above the others is to have the shiniest shit available, aka Legendaries.
So near of Yggdrasil. Only need to to finish exalted gathering, stealth gliding and nuboch stealth training.
>>320871092
And the shiniest shit should be hard to get or everyone will be running around with twilight's.
>>320855267
you wont find any worthwhile feedback of gw2 on /v/. its an okay MMO, but really you should look elsewhere for feedback.
>>320859443
i feel you, anon
>>320856061
was it rape?
I hear they're pulling the esports meme again. How's that shaping up for them?
>>320872264
"fastest growing part of the game" although thats not true
GW2 or do you mean Mary-sue sylvaris?
>>320870057
how were you able to say desu, Tbh DESU tbhtbh
>>320872501
Desu I'm on a tablet and it just auto capitalised the T so I guess that's why, didn't do it on purpose.
Game is shit, no end game, no real rankings, no hard core guilds, no real difficulty. Everything's just as casual as fuck. I regret buyin' it.
