Are you willing to admit that even though Fallout 4 has dumbed down RPG-mechanics it's still a fun game to play?
Yes, and it's a very nice addition to the Borderlands series.
>>320841843
No.
Even on the hardest difficulty it's piss easy; just like every other Bethesda game made in the past decade or so.
Sure when it works.
The game leaped sideways, not backwards.
It isn't shit, but it isn't a fallout.
>>320841843
Game reminds me a lot of DAI, where there is a lot to do, in theory, but the game does a fuck awful job of giving you any reason to actually do any of it.
>>320841843
its not though
I want to finish the story but its just drudging through shit
The game has a lot of flaws (engine, graphics, bugs, story, dialoge wheel, etc) but its undeniably fun.
Worth a pirate at least.
>>320842173
didn't actually play the hardest difficulty
>>320842693
This is the closest thing to my opinion.
They did about as much right as they did fuck up. I don't like it any better or worse than 3 but it's still fun to play sometimes.
>>320843023
Oh you're totally right, bro. I thought Easy was the hardest difficulty. The game is much harder now. Wow what a compelling post, shit sniffer.
>>320841843
It's a 6/10. The main story is the most boring, tedious part. Would have been a strong 7 if it was in any way interesting or engaging.
Also it doesn't help that it's basically Anti-TECHNOLOGY: The Game
It's as if Bethesda tries really hard not to pay attention to details except maybe in the world design.
>>320842812
>reason to actually do any of it
What reason do you need more than the gameplay?
>>320843115
>Anti-TECHNOLOGY: The Game
What? The institute makes the most compelling arguments out of all the factions.
>>320843120
That gameplay actually being enjoyable? Decent writing? Multiplayer? The things MOST "good" games do to keep players interested.
Yeah it's fun and then you finish everything you can do after about 40 hours and then there's nothing left to do except do the same repeatable quests
>>320841843
i sure as fuck don't think it's fun. how the fuck do i enjoy this game? every time i choose a dialogue option it feels like a test. like i'm SUPPOSED to pick the one bethesda MEANT for me to pick.
>>320841843
I'm having a blast with it, the only thing I found really jarring was cait accent...how the fuck has an irish accent survived 200 years???
>>320843227
that's not what he means, dingus
>>320841843
No, it really isn't. I dropped it after 30 hours which is awful for this kind of game.
>>320843115
>It's as if Bethesda tries really hard not to pay attention to details except maybe in the world design.
Nah, they fuck up world design more than anything else. Some weirdly placed skeletons does not a good world make.
>>320843227
You seem new but I'm in a good mood, so I'll fill you in.
On /v/, TECHNOLOGY is when developers pay extra attention to little details that aren't really crucial but add a layer of realism/depth to the games. The MGS series and the recent GTA games are among the most TECHNOLOGY-filled games.
>>320841843
No, its not fun. Its boring as shit and I never finished it. I won't ever get around to it either, because the game bores me to tears.
It was worse than Fallout 3 and Fallout 3 had all those metro stations and retarded karma quests.
I admit. The only thing keeping me playing is the waifu modderry, and the mods coming.
Also piper
>>320843736
Worse than NV okay, but there isn't a single thing in FO3 that is better than in Fallout 4.
>>320841843
it's fun, but it's barely a fallout game
>>320841843
It is a testament to the addictiveness of Bethesda's open world games that they can basically just remake Fallout 3 again with new companions to fuck, and even the loudest shitters are decrying the game with like 30-60 hours minimum under their belts.
Even if you hate it you still obsessively went around hoarding shit because that's what these modern open world games are about. collecting shit. and you are constantly scavenging. 70% of the game is spent scavving, or shooting whatever is impeding your scavving. while looting you happen to solve people's problems or find things they need and this progresses the plot
>>320843492
Excluding MGSV (GZ and TPP) and you can say the series is filled.
>>320841843
Yes. After I removed from my mind that this game was a Fallout, it became fun
Yup. I have to admit though, I got bored around the level 30 mark. But then I got the jetpack and the game completely changed for me. Holy shit, zooming from rooftop to rooftop while off my tits on jet and raining hell onto a group of raiders below with my explosive shotgun is one of the best experiences I've ever had in a game.
It's NOT fun. 80% of quests involve going to a place and kill a bunch of raiders/synths/mutants, which is the exact same criticism Skyrim got and they REPEATED it with a Fallout game. Exploration is trash since the loot is random levelled shit, there's extremely little hand placed goodies to reward you for going into a dangerous place. You won't even find combat armor until level 20. But Power Armor is handed to you for free during the first main story mission for some reason.
There's zero reason to play this over a modded version of the previous iterations. Yes the gunplay and graphics are slightly improved but if you want that there are a ton of actual shooters you could play.
The only fun you get from the game is meaningless looting, finding that stupid legendary weapon so you can make combat even easier and collect junk so you can build your meaningless settlement. And the feeling of anticipation you get when hoping the next area you enter is more interesting than the previous shithole you explored.
>>320844549
The gameplay itself is way improved compared to earlier Bethesda games though so that's reason enough to play this instead.
>>320844549
It's a million times more fun than Fallout: Empty Desert With no Respawns
>>320844378
autism
>>320841843
>fun
>didn't bought it and at best I did play for 12h
>most of it's time was setting up those settlements
Yeah, no. It's shit and as always modders are the ones that make the game interesting.
>>320844697
>>320844726
Then as I said go play an actual shooter instead if that's all you care about. Because the gameplay in FO4 is still the prime example of mediocrity.
>>320843023
I beat the game twice on survival, piss easy is an understatement.
>>320844861
Problem is that other shooters doesn't have a huge autistic modder fanbase like Bethesda games.
It isn't even fun, though. It's tedious as fuck. That's the greatest insult.
>>320844726
> Empty Desert With no Respawns
it has respawn.
>>320844901
Then wait for a year until the game actually has some mods instead of defending it in it's current state.
>>320841843
I'm willing to admit that I was only playing Fallout 4 while waiting for Xenoblade Chronicles X to come out. Dropped that piece of garbage the moment i got Xenoblade and completely forgot about it.
Thanks for reminding me, OP. I needed some extra coasters for my Christmas party.
>>320844907
so like any rpgs except memelands?
>>320844861
other shooters doesnt provide the funnest of rpgs with them. all you do is point the right gun at the right people, check your distance to make it safe and left click,
early to mid game survival combat in fo4 is really fun. chem actually do something more than "enough point to win this skill check". explosives are mandatory, some basic inventory management, perks making huge impact each level.
>>320845028
If you don't like role playing games just don't fucking play them instead of financing turning them all into casual shooters you fucking faggot
>>320845301
>other shooters doesnt provide the funnest of rpgs with them
>FO4
>funnest of rpgs
>an rpg at all
Nope.
>chem actually do something more than "enough point to win this skill check
Yeah it makes easy combat even easier
>explosives are mandatory
No, it makes easy combat even easier. They're never ever mandatory.
>perks making huge impact each level
No, they make easy combat even easier. Most of the perks are literally flat damage increases and usually wildly inbalanced.
>>320841843
I totally would be if that were my actual opinion. Sadly it is not.
>>320845641
>items and increased stats in an rpgs make the combat easier
wow, anon, what a revelation.
>>320844789
i didn't touch equipment mods or settlements for the entire game, now I'm level 70 and armor is pretty much just cosmetic for all the defense and offense i have
It's the most fun i had since Oblivion.
Has flaws, but i see there's much whinning and little attention span from people that bash it nonstop. There's a lot of detail in this game you easily miss.
>>320845641
>complains about a game being easy
>probably playing it on easy
Honestly no. When i rate games i try to avoid rating something as bad or just flat out terrible as usually games are at worst mediocre or lackluster. Fallout 4 is so riddled with story issues, bugs, counter intuitive design choices, retarded power progression all topped off with shitty gunplay that its honestly just terriblein my opinion. If it wasn't for the fact that a friend bought it for me to "review" it, I'd have dropped it by now
>>320841843
It would still be fun to play if the gameplay were any good. But it isn't.
>>320845875
I was countering his points about all those things being significant or even MANDATORY.
>>320846102
No, but you make it sound like you actually think the game is hard even on survival. That's funny.
>>320841843
Its fun at first, then I realized there is no point to any of the mechanics in the game. Youre already powerful enough out of the vault and the settlements literally have no effect than feature padding. Gunplay feels like Borderlands without the weapon effects. Glad I pirated this, Bethesda dropped the ball hard on this one. This game sold itself on the name and hype instead of being meaningful.
>>320845996
>little attention span
>some people who praise FO4 have explicitly stated it's because they didn't have to bother with planning out stats or trying to roleplay, they just want to get to the shooting
The most detail you find in FO4 is skeletons placed in funny positions.
I pumped about 40 hours into it.
The first half I really enjoyed myself and felt the world was big and diverse enough to keep myself occupied.
By the time I got my 6th settlement and went into the same old same old dungeons with enemies with a few legendaries involved it just became boring.
The characters and forced companion system just felt hollow.
>>320846373
>Youre already powerful enough out of the vault
I suggest turning up the difficulty.
>>320841843
Yes. However I'll wait for the game to be complete will all DLC and buy the GOTY version at -50%.
>>320846492
It's not black and white like that. There's good stuff, bad stuff, i can praise and i can bash it as much as i want. And i always loved rpg and still do. Doesn't mean i instantly hate FO4 for the mechanics removal they did. I don't even like shooters and i enjoy my time with this game.
>>320846814
Was playing on hardest difficulty. Headshots with the 10mil and power armor out of the gate pretty much nullified the higher difficulty.
>>320847087
>power armor
Using PA is like playing on easy mode though.
>>320841843
>>320841843
Fallout 4 managed to be more compelling than good. It is objectively flawed in far too many ways to count, and yet the game still felt satisfying to play and i went on to play it for just over 100 hours. Pretty much everyone ive talked to outside of /v/ has said just about the same thing.
It think it comes down to the fact that /v/ has a very pronounced rpg bias. thats not a bad thing persay, but it does explain why so many here felt the game to be lacking. It claimed to be an rpg but wasnt really in a lot of ways. For most people thats neither good nor bad but for the majority of /v/ it would seem to be a distinctly bad thing. It all comes down to individual gaming predilections
>>320847274
Or fags outside of /v/ do not know what a good game is.
> MGS TPP got 9/10's everywhere it went
>>320847443
Look im not going to claim people outside of /v/ have good taste, but youd have to be joking to say /v/ has good taste itself.
>>320846276
Would be my playstyle: no pa, low luck, glass cannon, no vat since fnv. who the fuck invited id to enhance the gunplay and still keep vat?
Its fun, but I hate the loot system.
Every "reward" crate is the same shit, every weapons bag is the same shit, no variety. Would be much more interesting to explore if there was more hand placed loot.
Collecting outfits is alright, until you realise that npc's have the best looking armor and you can not get it without killing them.
Base building seems rushed, Ok I have 20 settlers and they do...stuff. But you cant do anything with the settlers (Set up patrols, send them to war, etc)
Power armor is fun to use and collect, until you realised you explored areas too early and now you cant get the best armor.
Roleplaying elements are non existent. The chat system is horrid. Voiced protagonist could have worked if there were alternate paths to take in conversations...
Yes, No, I agree, I sarcastically agree.
As is I would rate fallout 4 a 6.5/10.
>>320847274
Everyone I know outside /v/ that played it dropped it around 40 hours because it got stale and boring. Which is pretty much exactly what people ON /v/ seem to be saying a lot.
>>320847443
That's "critics" review though.
When you go to user review it paints a different picture. TPP is more "loved" than Bethesda Fallouts for example. By Steam reviews...
Phantom Pain - 87% positive
Fallout 4 - 81% positive
Fallout 3 - 83% positive
New Vegas - 96% positive
It's not the worst game ever made like many posts lead you to believe. Has definetely good stuff in there, it's all up if you get annoyed or not by the stuff they decided to remove or streamline.
I mean, Skyrim has 91% Positive reviews. I don't anyone will defend that game is the apex of rpg mechanics. It's subjective in the end and there's a lot of double standards going on.
>>320847443
>Or fags outside of /v/ do not know what a good game is
you are certainly welcome to your opnion i guess, Im just trying to rationalize why /v/ seems to hate something just about everyone else loves. One could easily say its just hipsterism but i think thats too simple, hence my notion of rpg bias.
So if I understood the general sentiment correctly: FO4 is at least not Skyrim with guns. It still a horribly unbalanced mess with Bethesda's modern trash writing and bugginess.
Supposedly, if you liked FO3, you will like FO4. I couldn't stand FO3's inability to create a sense of adventure or exploration. Looks like I'm going to take a pass.
>>320847264
You got me there.
>>320848021
Skyrim has a positive score because people are told to think it's a good game though, not because it actually is.
>>320841843
Sure, it's fun.
Still not GOTY though.
>>320847937
I own a used vidya store and talk to at least 100 people a day about vidya and pretty much all my customers have given numbers over 40 hours, even the casuals.
at this point its just differing personal experience so i guess its moot
>>320846424
I kinda wanna play that...
>>320848276
So why isn't Fallout 4 up there as well?
>>320848616
Because it isn't a polished as Skyrim of course so the flaws become more immediately apparent.
>>320845996
>i see there's much whinning and little attention span from people that bash it nonstop
why is the response of fanboys to criticism of their "beloved bethesda dindu nuffin wrong they's gud boys" game always a thinly veiled ad hominem?
>>320849084
Skyrim had much more launch issues. Crashes all the time, eating RAM, etc. By this point they were releasing a bunch of patches on PC for the amount of stuff happening. In fact, Fallout 4 was pretty polished on the PC release. On consoles, it's full of issues, something apparently Bethesda still can't fix, remember the unfixable Skyrim lag on PS3?
>>320849193
Why you think anything not bashing Fo4 is a fanboy? It's not how it works. I have plenty of more hours in New Vegas, while i finished Fo3 only once and neve touched it again for example. Skyrim was trash in my opinion. Stop thinking everything is a "us vs them".
>>320842173
>>320849776
>everything is a "us vs them"
agreed
>>320849926
Even the most casual players can play just fine on Fallout 4's Survival difficulty.
>>320849926
What's the rest of these?
>>320845641
im sorry please explain how its not a role playing game
>>320850256
no they cant sorry m8 gr8 b8 tho
>>320849926
The only one thats really applicable is the final point.
>>320851439
How is Survival difficulty hard?
>>320851297
Did you even play the game?
Are you that casual of a gamer?
Cod fits you anon.
>>320851564
You can only take a few hits before dying?
>>320841843
It's not fun in any way.
>>320841843
not really, the bajillion loading screens really kill the flow.
>>320851771
Maybe if you're completely unarmored with 1 endurance. But even then there's very few instances where you have to take a hit, and even those can be mitigated with drugs.
The game's only hard if you're not leveling up at all and also happen to be retarded at the same time.
>>320841843
For a few hours, maybe, but you run out of content much quicker than you'd expect for an open world game.
>>320841843
it's awful. i wish i could get a refund. building a character is not fun and there's so many little details like all guns being left handed that it just pisses me off even doing the most mundane things. fuck this game. i doubt mods will ever be able to save it.
>>320841843
Looking at it i can see why it's DSPs favourite fallout. It holds your hand and does not expect much from you except from killing enemies.
>>320841843
Fallout 4 has good combat play. But everything else fucking sucks!
sure, I like the commonwealth and the shooting feels nice.
writing and the rpg mechanics are the main offenders, the game has practically zero replay value
I wouldn't even call it a step up from fallout 3, more like a step to the side. NV is still the reigning champion of new fallout
>>320852780
How can people not notice that the writing in FO4 is way better than it was in FO3? It's just baffling to me.
>>320852757
>Fallout 4 has good combat play
"better" animations doesn't mean good combat, neo /v/
the combat is still trash, just slightly more visually appealing trash
>>320841843
it was fun but didn't have enough content the missions dont have quality or quantity desu. i explored everywhere and did all the missions in like a 110 hours which isnt bad for a normal game but for a fallout game its short
>>320841843
>Are you willing to admit that even though Fallout 4 has dumbed down RPG-mechanics it's still a fun game to play?
It's a very basic Skinner Box stripped of all potential charm. You:
Collect useless items.
Shoot at bland enemies
Go to semi-interesting places among the buttload of bland areas to collect more useless junk
Then play Apocalypse Minecraft with the useless junk.
Other bad sides include:
Too much time wasted on inventory management,
Bad controls - numerous keys that have double sometimes conflicting uses. Example: if I hold the change view key to look at my character holding a gun the area build menu pops up. I understand this on consoles but there is no excuse on PC where there are a million keys on a keyboard.
Over design of the upgrade system. It is one of things the game has going for it but its far too wide and the item names are horrendous: "Pocketed Boiled Raider Metal Lether Left Arm++" What the fuck does that even mean?
I spend hard horded resources to build a sniper and then 15 minutes later found a better already made sniper on a crate.
Then there is the Skirimification of the whole game. Ammo benches and some chem stuff + a few mods were nice in New Vegas. But in Fallout 4 you have all the over-complicated useless mechanics that I never bother with from Skyrim. Chem benches. Cooking Stations with numerous "recipes that I'll never bother learning"
I am in the beginning but already I've lost hope that someone will say something interesting or memorable. The writing is bland. You don't have the charming conversations with characters like in Fallout 1 and 2 or even a lovable character like Moira Brown even from 3. I'm hoping that on the later followers like Nick, Curie and Piper to turn this around. The thing is I have always played a lone wolf and the only good characters being followers is a bit of a problem.
The quests are boring. You have to wade through series of Radiant quests to become strong enough for the real ones
>>320852986
I agree, my comment about it not being a step up from fallout 3 was aimed at the entirety of the game, not writing in particular.
but I would still list is as one of the game's weaker features, it's better than fallout 3 for sure but it's still not very interesting
>>320841843
I have put 360 hours into this game and it is honestly the worst piece of shit I've ever had the disservice of touching.
It's nothing like New Vegas (which was by far one of the most amazing games of this current generation only second to Undertale) and I hate Todd Howard for turning Fallout, one of the most amazing game series ever into nothing more than a gay FPS. Although the only reason I stuck with it was because of Piper, we live together in Sanctuary and are married (We are very happy by the way and love each other very much) most of my time is spent with her.
Ultimately though it's about a 7/10.
>>320854026
>I have put 360 hours into this game and it is honestly the worst piece of shit I've ever had the disservice of touching.
lul
>>320841843
→Hate MechanicsNuff said
[SARCASTIC]
I've 400 hours in the game and there's absolutely nothing to do in it.
>>320853875
>you now realize that most of these points are fully applicable to NV as well
>>320855209
Really? I have never played a VN, aren't they even more simple? Isn't that like their charm?
>>320841843
>>320842145
No.
Settlement building is useless.
Quests are a chore.
Gameplay is wonky. Ladders. Doors. No seamless sandbox integration.
Character progression is shit
Story is shit
Graphics are glossy clayplasticdo, with bad mapping problems.
The game is just not fun.
I'm only playing to get more content to shitpost about it.
Witcher 3 Blown Fallout 4 the fuck out.
Witcher 3 GOTY, For years to come. Fallout 4 is shit.
>>320855556
>>320855805
Oh, sorry you meant New Vegas. I read that as Visual Novel for some reason.
Yes, it does apply to New Vegas except the bland characters part and the bland areas part because you have cool memorable characters and interesting areas from time to time but that can be said even for 3. Obsidian are just better writers with some other strong points.
I used to like Bethesda games back in the day because I had never played them before. They are always good entry level games to their genre but once you play one or two all the rest are just more of the same.
They are cheap skinner box time sinks. Only some charm and good lore can be their saving grace.
>>320853875
You really can't judge the characters when you're so in the beginning. There's a bunch of memorable ones here. Oddly enough, most are side ones with little relationship with the story, just like Moira.
>>320857071
>New Vegas
>you have cool memorable characters and interesting areas from time to time
That's pushing it. NV memorable characters are mostly related to the storyline, outside of that, they mostly fall flat. And Boston is much more interesting than the Mojave.
Let's praise New Vegas for what it's actually does better...writing, rpg mechanics and story.
>>320857830
That's what I said. By character I meant the ones like Caesar, Benny, Vulpes even that Gay schmuck that repairs your weapons to 100% in the NCR outpost (only use I got out of making my character gay without knowing) or the Albino Ranger Ghost. Even then kings, then you have those that returned like Marcus.
By areas I meant mostly DLC ones but 3 had good ones too like Point Look Out and The Pitt.
I mean I played NV in 2010 and I still remember their names. 3 even earlier. I played 4 yesterday and I have no idea what that fuck with the laser musket's name was.
But that is not the problem. I think the problem with Bethesda's gamebryo games is that your chance of enjoying them diminishes with each game you've played.
I've found that the golden rule is that you can enjoy a maximum of 2 Beth style games. People who began with Morrowind couldn't stand them by the time Fallout 3 came out. I played 3 and NV and had no interest in Skyrim.
I think Bethesda knows this and always changes their games to appeal to the current new generations of gamers. They knew people who like 3 and New Vegas will be already burned out of them by 4 and they targeted the current Minecraft kid generation and teens. Back in the day they knew Morrowing and Oblivion fans wouldn't bother with Skyrim so they targeted casuals, memers and the I'm such a nerd generation who were the masses of this time. I kinda think my 10 year old nephew will have the time of his life with Fallout 4. He lover minecraft and the first Beth game is always the strongest for you. No wonder so many people defend 3 to the death.
I already hate myself because of the thought I'll waste 300-500-600 hours on a mediocre game not designed for my generation.
>>320859823
There's no secret to how Bethesda handled FO4. The game is nothing more or less than an improved Fo3 in the sense that "improvement" to bethesda, means taking the IP into more action territory and streamline rpg mechanics.
There's nothing more to it. Put Fallout under Bethesda and TES series side by side and tell me it isn't the same process.
Anyway, you'll play more of the game and see how it still has memorable characters, in the same sense 3 has and plenty more than New Vegas does. It's just a different tone and approach to a rpg series.
Is there any point to caps? I just hit level 33, and haven't spent a single cap yet...
>>320861412
Buying ammo, making traders in your settlement, some clothing you wanna dress up and buying shipment. That's what i use it for atleast.
>>320861412
Ammo. And traders at settlements. Can't think of anything else.
>>320842693
Under rated post well said anon
>>320861128
I will admit that Fallout 4 has improved combat and enemy AI. Even a non intrusive cover system. And a very interesting layered armor mechanic. It definitely has improvements. I just don't know if it's worth the time investment.
It was one of the games I was looking forward to since way back. It's not what I was expecting though but I will give it a fair chance considering that I don't really have that many other games to play anyway.
>The game is nothing more or less than an improved Fo3 in the sense that "improvement" to bethesda, means taking the IP into more action territory and streamline rpg mechanics.
>There's nothing more to it. Put Fallout under Bethesda and TES series side by side and tell me it isn't the same process.
The way I see it I think Bethesda makes their games for the current generation of kids and young teens at the time of release. Those grow up but there are always new ones so it's not like they will run out. They are always entry level games but the entry level bar gets lower and lower each generation since kids get stupider and more spoiled with technology each year.
But that could be just my "get of my lawn" mentality.
It's not fun.
You wander around trying to find things to shoot at, and when you finally do, the shooting sucks and the enemies are annoying.
Oh boy more pencils and coffee cups.
It's just typical bethesda trash made for normies to slurp down.
Don't even get me started about the story or npcs.
>>320841843
It's really fun but damn, it's so fucking dumb, it had so much potential to be a great game.
>Hey vault guy, you helped us so you're a knight now, no need for any initiation, just help me kill some stuff
>Hey vault guy, you killed a deathclaw, please become our leader, I know you just woke up and know nothing about the present but, who cares
>"What the hell, a giant cockroach!?!?"
>"A giant demon beast? meh"
>Tune into Radio Freedom
>QUEST ADDED
>GHOUL TROUBLE AT SHITSTEAK FARM
If this had good writing I could at least ignore the glitches and bugs, but dayum.
I hope to re-play this in 2 years where mods will fix most of it
