>/v/ says it's the best souls game ever
>Has the worst boss fight ever made
If you disagree, try beating the chalice version at min/low level, when you can't just tank all the unfair attacks.
Miyazaki is a damn hack
watched my girlfriend beat it today with moonlight greatsword without getting hit once
get good you scrub
the chalice version is even easier because you can just use the pillars to block its only ranged attack.
>>320800235
>without getting hit once
No she didn't you fucking hack.
Even the chalice version isn't hard, you can easily beat him without getting hit once if you're willing to spend a lot of time on him.The only bad boss in Bloodborne is Celestial Emissary, and that's just because he's a really lame flunky boss with nothing else going for him. But he's really just the pregame for Ebrietas anyway, and Ebrietas is fucking awesome.
>>320799856
The chalice dungeon fight is only hard cuz he's more aggressive. It's easy to kill off the spiders by hiding behind pillars.
Orphan of kos was a lot harder.
>>320799856
power word: angerGITGUD
>>320800523
Hemwick witches.
>>320799856
>If you disagree, try beating the chalice version at min/low level, when you can't just tank all the unfair attacks.
lel fucking normie scrub
I beat that shit at BL4 fucking months ago
>>320799856
>try beating the chalice version at min/low level, when you can't just tank all the unfair attacks.
>unfair attacks
>lowest level
>can't tank
Are you retarded, OP?
It's not hard, but boy is it lame.
Rom is a great example of Bloodborne's philosophy of bosses that 1-shot you if you don't dump into Vit.
>>320800523
>you can easily beat him without getting hit once if you're willing to spend a lot of time on him.
Okay, prove it. Show me somebody beating it without getting hit, without being so OP you can melt his HP bar in seconds. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>320799856
>this guy is OP
>to prove it, attack him while you are underleveled
>>320800661
Eh, they're not the greatest but I still kind of liked them. They have a nice arena, cool atmosphere, good buildup and decent gimmick. Sure they're easy, and they're also a flunky boss, but they have enough going on to make the first time fighting them memorable. They basically feel like Pinwheel done right. Ultimately low-tier is far as Bloodborne bosses go, but not actually bad.
Whereas with Celestial Emissary it's really obvious what his deal is pretty much as soon as you start fighting him, and there's really nothing interesting or memorable involved in his fight.
>>320799856
>try beating the chalice version at min/low level
Done it during release faam
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zfiVi-T8E
git gudfgt
>>320800901
Or you could actually just try.
Take your time wiping out the first wave of spiders while Rom isn't doing anything so you have fewer to deal with later, then just spend the rest of the fight doing hit & runs on Rom. Just run in and do your dashing strong attack, then run away before it can hit you with anything.
It's extremely safe, the only downside is that it takes a long time if you're not using a heavy weapon that can do a lot of damage in a single hit.
>>320800523
Everything about Ebrietas just seemed like a rehash of Seath the Scaleless to me.
>>320799856
Why would you have to tank it's attacks? It is so passive you can just wail on it and keep it from teleporting.
>>320801952
>if you're OP and have high DPS, this badly designed boss isn't so bad.
Well, I never knew!
Nah. I'm just annoyed by Orphan of Kos because of the sheer tankiness and damage.
Old Hunters in general was awesome but was constantly irritating with nearly everything killing me in one hit, regardless of level.
>>320802068
You don't even need to be high level to do it. You just need to have decent gems and an offensive build. If you waste levels getting your Vit to 50 of course your damage will suffer at low levels.
>>320799856
HAHA I GET IT
HE SUCKS BECAUSE ROM THE VACUUM SPIDER
>>320801806
wat
She resembles Seath I guess, but literally nothing about her moveset or how she fights is anything like Seath at all other than the fact that they both shoot a laser at some point. And lots of Souls bosses shoot a laser at some point.
She's a way more interesting/challenging boss than Seath. Way more/stronger attacks, multiple phases, weak points, chances to trigger Visceral Attacks, etc.
>>320802068
>If you're at the right level to encounter him with the right dps, he's fairly manageable.
Wew lad.
>>320799856
I did beat it. On my first attempt.
Not defending the boss fight, but git gud.
>>320802371
I should be able to fight any boss from any area at any level and be able to tank its hits. Anything else is poor game design.
>>320802723
There's a reason why Souls games are a mix of action and RPG and not just pure action, mate.
>>320799856
Nice bait mate, the wrost boss is the DLC double black tiger shit from DaS2
>>320802723
Yeah I don't like how souls games add defense every time you level. Leveling VIT and armor should be the only things that determine how easy it is to kill you.
>>320802362
I mean, she was just as easy as Seath was. I also felt the rooms they were in were somewhat similar too. The way one would approach the fight is also similar to ole' scaleless. I mean I didn't struggle with any boss in BB but I attribute that to being because of my hours in DeS and DaS.
>>320803024
But you can't level armor in Bloodborne.
>>320803179
I just meant wearing it in general, levelable or not.
>>320802202
Old Hunters really felt like a case of "okay, how difficult can we get away with making this without just making it badly-designed?"
A lot of the enemies have effectively no weakness and can only be beaten through sheer memorization of their attack patterns, or just going for a full-on battle of attrition by pumping VIT to 50 like a scrub, they frequently have multiple difficult enemies in the same area, and several of the bosses are harder than anything else in the game by far.
It's a really fun DLC and I enjoy the difficulty because it's still well-designed, especially compared to things like chalice dungeons and some of the low points of Dark Souls 2, but it's also some of the most potentially-frustrating content in the entire franchise.
>>320799856
>kill spiders or dodge them
>attack until rom teleports first time
>kill spiders or dodge them
>attack rom
>back off when he begins an animation
>learn which one summons ice from sky
>begin running around
rom is so fucking easy he should have been put at the beginning of the game instead of gascan. obviously pissers aren't being filtered out enough.
>>320799856
>Rom
>Worst boss fight ever made
Someone clearly hasn't reached the Queen yet.
>>320803256
But it becomes much harder to tell which area is next if you they don't scale defense with attack power.
Kill all his spiders. Then you can if you can do enough damage fast enough to get him to 40ish percent before he teleports away it will cancel his next phases and he will just sit there. Super easy glitch kill
>>320803287
I'm really disappointed with how easily I beat the DLC. I one shot Ludwig, Maria and the Failures, Laurence took me two tries and Orphan was the most difficult at 5. I think my equipment was probably too good.
>>320803287
>A lot of the enemies have effectively no weakness and can only be beaten through sheer memorization of their attack patterns,
If you're talking about the big cthulhu axe guys, I'm pretty sure they can be backstabbed and parried. Same thing with the big shark dudes, although I'm not sure if they can be backstabbed.
i want to play this game but i dont have a ps4
pc release when? please tell me it is happening eventually
>>320803651
What part of "Co-developed and owned by SONY" don't you guys understand.
I'm getting my ass raped by the shark giant guy in the pit right before Kos. The timing on his weapon swings is so slow that I dodge too soon, then he does that combo that 1shots you
>>320803287
I'm only a little bit into the DLC, but I already feel like this.
The perfect example I've seen so far is the machine gun NPC hunter in the dark cave. He has so much HP, and his infinite ammo gun attack is so good, you can only beat him by exploiting his AI in a battle of attrition. I beat him, and then I wondered, what was the fucking point? Why did he need to be so immersion-shatteringly beefy? Why did all the hunter NPCs have infinite ammo which can only be countered by tricking their AI into not spamming them?
because it's supposed to be "hard"? That's the only explanation for why they would use poor design like this. But that was never supposed to be the point of these games. That's something fans came up with, and Miyazaki denied over and over again. But now it's become an actual design philosophy endorsed by the designers?
It's just so disappointing.
I feel like every boss fight is fair in the sense that: If you lose, you were either ill-prepared or you fucked up.
One boss I could defend has to being 'bullshit' is Micolash's star bomb attack on phase 2, but alas, a hunter is still a hunter, even in a dream.
Any fellow bloodtinge dweebs here? Game was somewhat tough and then all of a sudden you can cheese every boss
>>320803651
exactly 7 years after the pc DeS release.
how the fuck do i bet kos i've been trying him for a day now that second form is fucking stupid
>>320803651
Retarded maymays and goldface aside, probably never. SCE Japan Studio worked on it with FROM, so unless Sony has some sort of collective stroke and suddenly decides to release one of its biggest/best exclusives on PC, it's probably not going to see the light of day outside of Sony platforms.
Same reason we still don't have Demon's Souls on anything but the PS3, and FROM had to make Dark Souls as a nominally separate franchise when they wanted to go multiplat.
>>320803921
>One boss I could defend has to being 'bullshit' is Micolash's star bomb attack on phase 2
Is that shit even dodgeable? I could only ever tank it.
>>320803998
Get posion and snipe him from the second floor. Or just shoot him from the second floor
>>320804062
You can dodge it similarly to Ebrietas's version
your dodge just has to be really fucking precise
>>320804062
You can dodge it but it's potentially very difficult because of the size of the room.
I actually find it easier to just get up in his face and iframe through it just as it fires, but that takes pretty good timing.
>thinking he meant micolash
>>320803998
Backstab him repeatedly.
>>320804062
The window is small, but you can dodge it if you roll towards him. Or interrupt it with a gun.
Still, to beat him, you gotta wail on him and keep close.
>>320804167
>>320804187
Hunter Pistol or Blunderbuss for parrying?
>>320803998
Accept that you're only going to get one hit in after a few of his attacks
use bolt/fire paper, and his big leaps are his biggest opening
>>320800523
Pthumerian Queen.
>>320804310
Pistol
Blunderbuss is cooler but if you just want your gun for parrying there's pretty much no reason to ever use anything but the pistol.
>>320804468
What's the blunderbuss for then? Just staggering?
>>320804397
Okay, fair enough.
I honestly didn't even think about her because I just generally hate chalice dungeons and would rather forget about them. I beat her that one time just to say I did and then never did a chalice dungeon again.
>>320804468
>>320804534
Also what about Ludwig's rifle?
>>320803393
The Queen isn't even memorable as a difficult boss fight. Her attack patterns were easy to pick up and avoid compared to most other bosses I ran across. Only took me 2 or 3 tries to beat her, which is saying something since other bosses took 50+ tries due to how much I suck at the game.
>>320804885
No one said she was difficult. She's a shit boss fight.
>>320804534
Pretty much. It also does some actual damage if you have high Bloodtinge.
It's not that it's actually worse for parrying specifically, it's just that it has a longer recovery time after shooting. If you mis-time a parry with the pistol you might have time to dodge or fire again, whereas with the blunderbuss you probably won't.
>>320804084
>second floor
wait what?
>>320804981
Why do you view her as a shit boss fight then?
>>320804397
Why is she a bad boss?
I fought her for the first time recently, it was a decent fight. The baby thing is annoying, but it's an interesting way to keep you from just stunlocking her.
>>320805185
You just run in, slap her, then run out till her aoes are done then repeat. After everything you had to deal with just to get a chance to fight her it was a colossal letdown.
>>320804773
Ludwig's is basically just the blunderbuss with better range and a smaller spread.
It also does better damage until you get pretty high Bloodtinge, but that really doesn't matter.
>>320802326
Vacuous, not vacuum.
God you're an idiot, but I wouldn't expect anything more from a weeaboo posting anime pics.
>>320805153
Because she has a massive HP pool and the entire fight is dragged out by the gimmick of being unable to get more than two attacks off against her before you have to retreat or you get paralysed. It's a shitty gimmick that removes any concept of risk/reward from the fight and only allows you to fight her in one specific way, and it takes forever as a result.
>>320805335
But this is a valid strategy for all the bosses. Why does it make her a bad boss yet makes everyone else great?
>>320805335
I guess. She's not a great boss, but "too easy" by bad design is much less of a pain in the ass than "too hard" by bad design. After the headless Blood-letting beast in a tiny room, it was nice to fight something that didn't fill 90% of the screen and sent the camera into seizures if you locked on near it's body.
>>320805559
>entire fight is dragged out by the gimmick of being unable to get more than two attacks off against her before you have to retreat or you get paralysed
Are you sure you actually fought her and aren't just going off what you've heard? She only paralyzes you for the first part of the fight from what I recall. The majority of the fight is a sword fight. Also, 2 hits and running is not even close to the only tactic against her. You can fucking attack her until your stamina runs out.
>>320802326
>the vacuum spider
topkek
>>320800901
I didn't put much into Vit so I HAD to fight Rom without taking damage. It took me a fucking while, but I did it without being OP.
The key to winning the fight?I got gud. Learn to dodge, faggot.
>go over to my boyfriend's house to cuddle and play videogames with(I'm gay)
>pops in bloodborne
>he's at Yaharghul(bloodmoon)
>all those bullshit respawning enemies
>we both try but its so fucking tedious and stupid
>fuck this shit
>we both just go to sleep
This game is really fucking overrated. Yaharghul is so fucking bad.
>>320807836
>>go over to my boyfriend's house to cuddle and play videogames with(I'm gay)
I'm a girl btw
>>320807836
>run past enemy
>kill bell bitch
>kill enemy
>enemy no respond
Yes anon. So fucking tedious to do something 1 time and not have to do it again. You hate a game because you are unintelligent? Sounds like a bad excuse.
>>320803161
Did you do Defiled Chalice and NG+ Ole Hunters?
>>320808093
It's not just the respawning enemies but the reused enemies. The common townsfolk were so overused.
>>320807836
I hope you both die of AIDS, degenerates
>He didn't solo the game for his first run and then use the bell for co-op fun
>>320803287
Laurence was bullshit. What an annoying boss. Maria, Failures, and Orphan were too easy though, and none of the new enemies were particularly challenging. Ludwig was a decent balance of annoying and fun.
>>320799856
I solo'd every boss up to Rom, but I had to co-op with a friend for her. I use the axe so I could damage her enough to skip her second phase entirely, but once the meteors started happening, I got one shotted every fucking time. She spammed them so hard that I would run out of stamina just running and dodging. Is 25 vit too low for this fight?
>>320803393
Queen's only gimmick is the baby. If you just back off during baby all is well.
>>320808560
Laurence was literally just Cleric Beast on fire. And then he's Quelaags brother in phase 2 and it's even easier.
>>320806501
>She only paralyzes you for the first part of the fight from what I recall.
You are completely mistaken.
>You can fucking attack her until your stamina runs out.
No, you can't, because if you get close enough to attack her she'll paralyse you after only 2-3 hits.
>Tfw you have to fight a Swarm Host with a Sword
>>320803937
I just started a Bloodtinge character today.
>>320805104
You can actually see him on the beach from one of the upper areas.
>>320800661
Nah.
They're a puzzle boss done right. Really fun fight before you memorize all the spawn locations. Good surprise the first time you fight it, but not deadly enough that it feels bullshit.
>>320802928
>not cheesing them from the ledge with the winter lanterns
>>320803886
kill the winter lanterns, go down the ladder and aggro the one shark fag. then go up the ladder and run to the ledge and kill him from there. when the other one jumps down use a shaman bone cock.
i bought bloodborne on midnight release and stopped playing because i cant kill the first boss.
how casual am i
>>320799856
>If you disagree, try beating the chalice version at min/low level, when you can't just tank all the unfair attacks.
CHalice version is much easier because you can hide behind pillars. More time consuming though.
>>320803998
if you have high arcane just literally kill him by spamming a call beyond from just outside his agro range.
>>320810058
Well if you went with the threaded cane it's SOMEWHAT forgivable, that thing has horrendously low damage output and isn't exactly meant for first timers.
>>320808572
You don't need any points in vitality, ever. To dodge the meteors dodge right and left alternating. Back in my day we laughed at people that pumped any defense stats.
>>320799856
You aren't talking about Rom right? Chalice Rom is a joke. One of the easiest bosses in there.
>>320810340
i picked the hunters axe
>>320810682
which boss?
How the fuck do I beat the undead giant boss in Pth Lower Chalice. That asshole is a tank and one hits me AOE.
>>320810682
Axe is ezmode. Its good for literally anything the game will throw at you.
>>320810769
Hit him once and then run. Or spam ranged attacks.
>>320810769
What build are you using?
>>320808373
Babbies think thelse is the hard bits
>>320808373
Yes, to defiled chalice, no to Ole Hunters. Defiled Chalices aren't hard, but I feel like chalices in general are very poorly designed and very lazy way to create replayable content. Kind of remind me of excavation quest from Monster Hunter.
>>320810869
I'm using the holy greatsword. I'm also twinking it though.
>>320810340
Threaded Cane gets 20% serrated bonus vs the first boss. That and the huge range and low stamina consumption means he is casual as fuck.
>>320811016
I mean what type: skill,strength, bloodtinge, arcane
>>320810851
>Or spam ranged attacks.
Old Hunters made this so easy. Between Bowblade and Eye you get your pick of safe long range damage.
>>320799856
Bloodborne had the easiest bosses of the series, the only challenge was Ebrietas and even then that was because I had like 12 vit and couldn't take one of her charge attacks at full health. I don't know why people say it's a hard game, it's like they went out of their way to make it easier for the new gen.
How fucking cool are transformation attacks?
The fucking coolest.
>>320811121
Again, I'm twinking it so it doesn't matter. I'm level 20.
>>320800235
>gf
Wew lad
>>320811229
>only challenge was Ebrietas
This is why people say it's a hard game. Different things are harder for different people.
Ebrietas was easy as fuck. Literally just hug and attack her until she's dead.
>>320803796
What part of the same is true for SFV and that is still getting a PC port don't you guys understand?
>>320811229
I'm convinced all the people that said it was hard just picked it up for the 1st time because it was the PS4s only game. It's much more forgiving than DaS/DeS in most ways.
rom does suck, but bb is still the 2nd best souls game.
>>320811293
Like yeah, she would've been easy too if it weren't for her instagibbing me since my health wasn't upgraded.
>>320811323
>keep 20 healing items on you at all times
>you don't even need to stop moving to use them
>they're hardly even necessary since you can get your health back after being hit just by doing damage
The problem with Bloodborne is that you really only die when you get one-shot or stunlocked since it's so easy to heal. It's not difficult, it's just cheap. Dark Souls 1 really had the best health system, I don't know why they keep messing with it.
>>320809515
>puzzle boss done right
Puzzle bosses can never be done right because puzzle bosses by definition are shit.
>>320811229
Ebrietas had to be the hardest boss hands down. Laurence gets an honorable mention.
>>320799856
Just summon the new npcs to help you if you're such shit.
>>320811257
I was going to say that if you had decent skill+bloodtinge to use the bowblade. Literally scum it out. If not hes weaker to elemental and thrust attacks. Bait out his short left hook, dodge into it and get 2 hits and back off. If you see he rears the hook back even further than run all the way back because he's going to do that annoying chain spin attack.try to save the wart on his back for the second half. Itll be easiers to widdle his health down. Im almost certain you can poison the fucker, but if not a well upgraded cannon+bone marrow does solid damage. I hate the fucker and he's one of the most annoying bosses to go through since its a damage sponge. Honestly just lame it out
>>320800523
>The only bad boss in Bloodborne is Celestial Emissary
You can't be more wrong.
Any of the CD bosses that are regular enemies turned bosses are shit. Please tell me Maneater Boar is not a shit boss.
Any of the CD bosses that are just rehashed main-game bosses are shit, except with more HP and in some cases, YOU have less HP. But no differences in attack patterns or mixups. Just copy and pasted. Like Loran Darkbeast.
Celestial Emissary is indeed shit. So is Hemwick Witches. And Mergo's Wet Nurse. The One Reborn is a shittier and uglier Tower Knight. Then there are bosses with design philosophy like that of Dark Souls 2, which is to make bosses difficult through sheer numbers. Like Shadows of Yharnam or Rom.
Moon Presence is an embarrassing final boss after the glory that was Gehrman.
The BB DLC has two GOAT bosses (Orphan, Ludwig), one okay boss (Maria) and two lazy rehashes (Laurence, Living Failures).
>>320809101
I don't know what to tell you. He gave me the most trouble in the DLC. I killed the rest of the bosses with no problem. Specially Maria and Failures. Those two were completely worthless.
>>320809515
How are they done right? They are just shitty Wizrobe rip off.s
>>320800901
I fought him on a noble scion with base vit. Its doable, just very time consuming.
>>320812036
Gherman was a total push over. He did nothing other than walk menacingly towards me while I fucked its shit up.
>>320805429
>what is a joke
No anon, you are the idiot.
>>320812240
Please. He's a much more memorable and challenging boss than either of the two other final bosses (Mergo, Moon). And with god-tier music.
Mergo is just the Dark Souls 1 Bone Tower turned into a boss. Moon is just a sad pushover with an ugly design. The only thing good about the Mergo fight is the music. Moon doesn't even have any good music.
>>320811707
>They are shit because I said so
>>320803479
Are you level 300, or did you farm Chalice Dungeons for the most broken gems in the game?
>>320812447
I killed Gherman so fast I didn't even get to hear his song. Mergo at least has a cool design. I do agree Moon is shit though; I just don't get why people like Gherman.
>>320802723
not sure if sitpost or serious
nevermind, it's a shitpost regardless
>>320812474
Not like you provided any better of an argument for Hemwick Witch ("It's a good puzzle boss because I said so" is your argument).
There's a reason why she's constantly rated the lowest among the game's bosses by fans. She is always classed bottom tier alongside shit bosses like Celestial Emissary.
It's because fans (rightfully) don't like puzzle bosses. I bet you're a Demon's Souls fag who thinks bosses like Dragon God and Storm King and Fool's Idol are actually good.
>>320812543
>I just don't get why people like Gherman.
Because they don't share your shit tastes.
>>320811314
Neither co-developed nor owned by Sony.
Take a look at Japan Studio's release history. In their 20 or so years of operation they have released exactly zero games outside of Playstation. They're Sony's first-party development branch. They only exist to sell Playstations. You'll get Japan Studio games on PC when you get Nintendo games on PC.
Or, I guess you could say, never ever.
>>320803889
That guy took me ages. Holy shit that was so frustrating. Especially the run up to him going through half a dozen bloodsuckers.
The hunter health pools are ridiculous. Why the hell does everyone besides me have like 4000 HP?
Chalice version is easier because pillars.
>>320803889
Just attack from the side when he shoots.
Jesus christ those fucking casuals.
>>320812804
>Why the hell does everyone besides me have like 4000 HP?
Because NPCs have always had advantages over you in all the Souls games.
Did people forget how bullshit Satsuki and the Meat Cleaver phantoms were in Demon's Souls? How the Meat Cleaver bitch could freely run on the swamps and you couldn't? How Satsuki had infinite weapon and armor durability?
Why are people so surprised that Souls NPCs are bullshit and unfair? I hope you're not one of those people who think DaS2 is the only Souls game with unfair NPCs.
>>320799856
This feels like a good place to ask. Whats the recommended BL for the DLC?
Rom really isn't that hard if you know how to properly dodge.
I feel like a lot of bosses in this game were easy as shit, I find all the other souls games to have much harder bosses.
The only bosses that even gave me trouble were the Cleric Beast due to shitty camera, Shadow of Yharnam, and Gehrman. I one shotted both Gascoigne and BSB, and the rest were 5-6 tries max. I'm not even trying to sound like a hardass, I'm actually very ass at all of the other games in the series.
>>320812036
agree with all of this and I love bloodborne
I like the witches, though. don't mind a puzzle boss every now and then and it doesn't make sense for witches to use brute strength anyhow.
and shadows are fine. there's a difference, since they each have different abilities and the game rewards players that use their head since using the giant gravestone to separate them and killing them in a specific order makes the fight easier. it's not ideal, but the best iteration of the triple fight so far.
I'd also add that paarl sucks because of the camera
>>320812691
I'm not even that guy.
>fans don't like puzzle bosses
Also nice claim out of ass.
>>320812982
Its made for people who've beaten the game once so like 50+
>>320812936
The difference is that in DeS and DaS, when you riposte someone, they die. They had bullshit advantages but none of the fights went on forever like they do in BB.
It really exposes the flaws in the AI because it turns into baiting the non-bullshit move over and over and over again.
>>320807393
And that gud's name? Pretty Guude
>>320812982
I'd say do it at 70 to properly enjoy it
I did it at 101 and felt over-leveled up until the final boss of the DLC
>>320807836
>>go over to my boyfriend's house to cuddle and play videogames with(I'm gay)
Why did you feel to include this
You attentionwhore
>>320813189
Alright. Thanks man. I also started a new character to get ready for the dlc but I noticed time hasn't progressed to early nightime like it used to. Is this a bug? Or do the body snatchers not invade until after Amelia now?
>>320808771
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED
>>320813389
Snatchers were showing up for me immediately after BSB.
>>320799856
I beat him on my first try. Why people have problems with him? He's slow and unagressive compared to other bosses/ Even his spider minions are easy to avoid if you don't attack them. That NPC right before him with homing laser attack give me much more trouble.
>>320813562
Da fug man. I already finished everything besides paarl before amelia, but the sun won't fucking set.
>>320799856
>Has the worst boss fight ever made
>implying it's not Aldia
Whoever approved this shit fight should be fired. All that build up for the worst fight ever made in Souls games.
>>320812762
I bet it is the same people that suck Artorias's dick that love Gherman.
great tier:
Father Gascoigne, Ludwig, Gehrman, Orphan
enjoyable:
Logarius, Amygdala, Maria, Ebrietas, Blood-starved Beast, Shadows of Yharnam, Cleric Beast, Witch of Hemwick, Vicar Amelia, Micolash, Yharnam
lackluster:
Living Failures, Mergo's Wet Nurse, Laurence, Darkbeast Paarl, Rom, One Reborn, Moon Presence
shit tier:
Celestial Emissary
>>320813103
>picture implies that the player can jump up and fight the Cleric Beast in aerial combat like a stylish action game
I wish you could do that in Bloodborne.
>>320813656
Sun doesn't set until after Vicar Amelia, but snatchers will still show up in the day.
Was it not like that before? I only started playing like two weeks ago.
>>320813748
>Witch of Hemwick
Move that over to lackluster and switch spots with Darkbeast Paarl,
>>320813748
Bump Maria
>>320813820
Nah, the sun started to set after number of bosses killed, at least a little. Not full on midnight but around 8ish I'd say. No sun but the moons not high in the sky yet.
Best Souls final bosses
Gehrman > Gwyn >>>> Moon Presence >>>> Mergo's Wet Nurse = Nashandra >>>> Aldia >>>> Slug Allantinb4 "b-b-but False King Allant is a final boss". He isn't. You can beat him before you're half through the game.
>>320813748
I thought Moon Presence was enjoyable, and from a lore standpoint, Rom is pretty cool.
>>320812386
>pretending o be retarded
>>320814048
What a nice meme reply. It's just a dumb joke, don't let this place get to your head so much.
>>320813748
One Reborn was cool and has cool music even though he was easy.
>>320813881
camerabeast paarl is where he belongs
>>320813983
she was too easy. beat her first try.
>>320814017
moon presence has a cool design, but such a dull moveset. loses points for following gehrman and using boring beast swipes instead of something uniquely alien
>>320813983
>>320802326
Don't fucking kid around about vacuum spiders. I've made the mistake of taking them lightly before.
>using a hand vacuum to clean up some crumbs
>see a spider, figure I may as well suck that fucker up cause fuck it
>finish and put vacuum back on charging dock
>weeks later, go to grab vacuum, notice something weird in it
>go to open it up and dump out contents
>soon as the seals broke legions of tiny ass spiders pour out, crawling all over the vacuum
Story ends with me needing a new hand vacuum.
>>320800478
You can easily dodge all the magic attacks. Get fucking good.
>>320813748
>Top Tier
Gascoigne, Gehrman, Logarius, Ludwig, Orphan, Watchdog of the Old Lord, Bloodletting Beast
>Okay Tier
Cleric Beast, Vicar Amelia, Blood-Starved Beast, Amygdala, Ebrietas, Pthumerian Descendant, Pthumerian Elder, Abhorrent Beast
>Bad Tier
Darkbeast Paarl, Micolash, Mergo's Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, Maria, Celestial Emissary, Rom, One Reborn, Shadow of Yharnam, Hemwick Witch, Living Failures, Laurence, Undead Giant, Merciless Watcher, Beast Possessed Soul, Maneater Boar, Brainsucker, Keeper of the Old Lord, Forgotten Madman, Loran Silverbeast, Loran Darkbeast, Yharnam, all the Great One rehashes
>>320814413
Darkbeast, not camerabeast.
God you're an idiot, but I wouldn't expect anything more from a weeaboo posting no pics.
Worst (and easiest?) boss in the entire series?
>>320800901
Explain to me how the fuck are you even getting hit. Also look for nodamage runs on YouTube yourself, you useless shit.
>>320814016
Aldia is more fun than Nashandra desu. Also Gwyn is not that good.
>>320814814
>without being so OP you can melt his HP bar in seconds
>>320814413
>boring beast swipes
I honestly don't know why more people don't complain about them. They're just as boring and predictable as the weapon swipes from the humanoid boss fights in Dark Souls 2.
When I first saw Ludwig in the convention demos, I instantly was disappointed that pretty much all of his first form moves were just variations on beast swipes and beast charges.
When I finally played the DLC and noticed the second form, I was initially relieved, but then I actually saw that Ludwig's attacks were slow and predictable sword slashes and I became disappointed again.
>>320802723
You can't be fucking serious
>>320814559
kill the spider before you suck it up dumbass
why did you think a vacuum would kill something by itself?
>>320799856
I've gotten three twinks through chalices. Rom is a fun as fuck boss, and they even added NPC summons for baddies like you.
>>320799856
>Rom
>hard
Learn to multitask.
>implying chalice Rom is harder
Nigger, you have a bunch of indestructible columns all around you to block his meteors, how much easier do you need it to be?
>>320814854
My point still stands. All his attacks are telegraphed and all you need to do is run in a straight line to avoid them.
>>320813748
Approved
>>320814605
>Maria
>bad
This thread is what happens when literal babies try to play a game that requires even an ounce of skill.
>>320803998
Be aggressive as fuck. Use a fast weapon.
Also, he's glitched on his first form, or some shit. If you have the rune to have Visceral attacks heal you, they heal you for, like, four times what they should. If you parry him or backstab him in the first form, you shouldn't need to use any vials, so you can just brute force his second form.
>>320815315
Babies whine less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XPAdlkQYYA
>>320815314
Aside from the cool arena and the neat music, there's nothing about Maria that is even exciting or challenging. You can counter roll all of her attacks. This trivializes her fight. You can trivialize her fight even further by countering and doing viscerals, since she's super easy to counter. She's just your average hunter NPC but with extra phases that elongate her reach but don't make her any harder. The Bloody Crow of Cainhurst is still harder than her.I'd still fuck Maria senseless though.
>>320803998
Stay on his ass, except when he throws shit. Don't run away to heal. Fight him in the water during second phase, because lightning always starts at the coast.
Become proficient.
>>320815589
this family
http://strawpoll.me/6312638
>>320815683
>all these people voting for a doll that looks like a meth addict
>>320815767
meth gets you the best power anal sex around
>>320815571
>that one girl at 1:24 who instantly liked the game because it allowed you to play fatbody characters
She sounds like an SJW.
>>320815683
Why do these deviant art fuckers always feel the need to put in watermarks that cover up 1/4th of the screen?
I swear, japanese artists on pixiv don't do this crap.
>>320799856
Attack the bodies of the spiders, ignore the reinforced heads. EZ PZ
I had to use Father Gascoigne for Cleric Beast
How pathetic am I?
So am I just being weird or does the smoke from the Madman's Knowledge item look like the Pearl Slugs? Or the Augur of Ebrietas?
>>320816146
If it's your first Souls game, not really pathetic everyone takes time to learn the ropes. If it's your second or third pretty pathetic but even people who play Souls a lot needs a minute to get used to having almost no defense and playing dangerously aggressive
>>320799856
fuck that boss.
its so easy yet so hard. I just skipped him.
>>320816146
I'm if going to be honest, you're very pathetic. Because his moveset is very simple by action game standards and is slow compared to other Bloodborne bosses. You better learn quick or else you'll get wrecked in the later game.
>>320812935
>stated I already beat him
>faggot trying to give me advice on how to beat him
why are souls hardfags so mentally challanged? it's as if they can't respond to anything but "get good"
>>320799856
Rom is one of the easiest boss, m8
>>320816323
>>320816146
Wait till you get to the huge bosses with multiple limbs.
>>320816220
>even people who play Souls a lot needs a minute to get used to having almost no defense and playing dangerously aggressive
Playing "dangeously aggressive"? Are you fucking kidding me? I played all of the bosses just like I would a regular Souls game -- passive, reactive and slowly. There was no time where I ever had to be "dangerously aggressive" like I would in (say) Ninja Gaiden 2 or Devil May Cry 3 or Vanquish.
Give me an example of a boss in Bloodborne where you are punished for being lame and passive.
I mean Rom is a shitty boring fight but it's not that hard, just tedious.
The only fight I can say that is actually a bad boss fight in Bloodborne is any of the Darkbeasts. Fucking shit they are seriously one of the worst designed fights I've ever had in a video game.
>>320816323
You can also use poison daggers to lower his health gradually if you want to risk it.
Also git gud.
>>320812936
Meat Cleaver phantom wasn't especially durable. The super durable NPCs in Demons Souls either made sense canonically (Old King Doran), or were optional non-canon challenges you had to go out of your way to unlock (BP Satsuki, BP Scirvir). It was an exception, not the rule, to see super-powered NPCs.
But in Bloodboorne fucking everyone is a superhero made of adamantium, for no logical reason.
>>320799856
>worst Souls Boss
>not the insultingly easy Smelter Demon
>not the "whole stage area of attack" Ancient Dragon
>not any of the dozen mob bosses from Dark Souls 2
Rom is easily the worst boss in Bloodborne but at least there's only one of him in the game
>>320816425
Not that anon but Darkbeast Paarl charges up the longer you leave him without staggering and discharging the electricity.
>>320816425
Orphan of Kos
Bloodletting Beast
Ludwig
Pthumerian Descendant/Elder
>>320811908
>Just summon the new npcs to help you if you're such shit.
are you serious. did you ever try using them? only thing they do is make the fight harder.
>>320816561
I don't disagre with your complaints about Bloodborne, I'm just saying that the bullshit that was in Demon's Souls isn't inexcusable on account of them being what you consider to be "non-canon challenges."
Why should a BP character suddenly be allowed to break rules such as running freely on heavy mud or having infinite durability no matter how many times you thrusted a Scraping Spear up their ass? What reason is there for this aside from making them difficult for the sake of making them difficult?
The same goes for the NPCs of Dark Souls 1. Ever notice how the Forest Hunter mage NPC has infinite Soul Arrow castings? If you position yourself properly by the edge of a cliff near the Door of Artorias, he will spam that shit forever without ever stopping. Same goes for the Daughter of Chaos guarding the fog gate to Bed of Chaos. Why should they be allowed to have infinite castings of spells?
And, of course, this extends to the NPCs in BB. They have infinite ammo. They have WAY more HP than you can ever have.
It's the same kind of bullshit, whether in BB, DeS, DaS1 or DaS2.
>>320814605
Ludwig deserves his own tier, everything about that fight is awesome.
>people acting as though it being too hard is the problem
In the base game I only felt challenged by Blood Starved Beast, Wet Nurse, and Gehrman. Everything else is a cakewalk. This significantly contributed to my belief that Das (1) is a better game.
>>320804534
Don't listen to that idiot.
Blunderbuss is better for perrying because it has more spread, so even if you're against a small enemy who moves fast you will be able to perry them.
Blunderbuss is also good for croud control.
>>320814854
There's a nip who beat the entire game on Ng+7 at base level on the deprived/waste of skin class.
I'll find some links, meanwhile stop shitposting here and just circlejerk with /dsg/, they live talking shit about this game for little to no reason
>>320817103
but das1 was even easier.
I mean das1 is also my favorite but difficulty is not an argument.
>>320816684
>Orphan of Kos
Parry bait. Wait for him to attack and parry him to death. Here is a video showing just how passive you can be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BQG4ttcPTw
>Bloodletting Beast
Hang by the leg of his that doesn't stomp and chip him to death. Roll into his leg whenever he tries to hand attack you.
>Ludwig
Wait till his attacks are done and attack him afterwards during the recoveries of his attacks. Stick by his butt when he's in second form.
>Pthumerian Descendant/Elder
Counter roll and punish passively. Same strats for both enemies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxwsEoo7wX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8LVC4Phftk
>>320817103
>Wet Nurse
Wet Nurse is a fucking pushover.
>there are 300 replies to a bait thread
People talk about the "the good Ol days" but this shit needs to stop
>>320816663
And yet, all of his attacks (save for his AoE) can be dodged by simply hugging his crotch and attacking him from there.
And when he DOES try to AoE you, it takes little effort to i-frame roll through it.
>>320817172
All of these strategies require flawless knowledge of their movesets. If you know a fight inside and out, anything is trivial. A player who doesn't know exactly when to dodge beforehand won't make it through these fights by hanging back.
>>320817304
We're actually discussing the game as you can see
>>320802202
>>320803287
Old Hunters should have been a campaign that starts you on a separate file, designing it to be "balanced" for "late game of first play-through" and then cranking stats for each addtional NG+ ended up fucking many players over
>>320817418
Well that is the point of these games. Trail and error until you get familiar enough to handle every situation they throw at you. Or you could just do what I do and do a bullshit high DPS build and fuck learning.
>>320817418
>A player who doesn't know exactly when to dodge beforehand won't make it through these fights by hanging back.
Except that it doesn't require a genius with an IQ of 300 to figure out where the weakspots and blindspots of bosses generally are. It doesn't require "FLAWLESS KNOWLEDGE" either.
If you're THAT far into the game and can't figure out which of Orphan's attacks are parryable, then you're a fool. The game can't make it anymore obvious which of his attacks are parryable.
If you're THAT far into the game and can't figure out that each of the giant bosses have blind spots, then you're a fool. I went into the giant boss fights with the knowledge that action games always have shitty big bosses in blind spots. I spend the fights looking for them. In Ludwig's case, his ass was the blind spot in his second phase. In Blood-Letting Beast's case, he makes it clear that his blind spot is his leg within about 10 seconds into the fight, as he constantly does that "stomp once and jump back" motion with the same fucking foot every time.
As for the Pthumerian enemies, it's the same philosophy but with humanoids. Counter rolling humanoids has never failed me in any of the Souls games. And it worked once again with the Pthumerian enemies.
Literally one of the worst games I've ever played. The fast style of combat was embarrassing and all of the changes to the statistics dumbed it down so much you can't even create a build now
>>320817160
Maybe it's because it was my first souls game, and in retrospect I went through it heavily under-leveled and with a pants-on-head retarded build, but It felt like there was a much more coherent and consistent level of difficult. At the very least, bosses got harder as the game progressed.
>>320817212
Dodging thetwo of themwas somewhat difficult for me. If you're better than me I can respect that.
>>320817750
What if you played without a gun?
>>320817764
>all of the changes to the statistics
the what now? BB does have a problem with build progression, but the stats are fine.
>>320812046
Laurence is just lazy shit from top to bottom, his first form is a piss easy clone of Cleric Beast, and his second form basically has him slashing his arms around like a fish out of water while his backside is completely covered by bullshit lava
>>320817803
Are you______me?
>>320817103
In difficulty
DkS2SotFS > BB w/DLC > DeS > DkS w/DLC
I mean even NG+ on DkS was cakewalked because it was broken
>>320817843
There's not enough of them
>>320817779
Yeah bloodborne has a wonky difficulty curve.
Pre-dlc is was mostly because of the chalice dungeons but the dlc is really weird.
The first enemies and the first boss are the hardest part.
>>320800901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51gtE_AxKY
2 minutes.
Can't bitch about that, bitch boy.
>>320817803
Are you talking about the first time through the game? If so, why would you have a blind first playthrough that gimps yourself? Any game where you go through the first time blind with self-handicaps like that will be unnecessarily harder.
If you're talking about subsequent playthroughs, then it's not that much harder, since I already have knowledge about the bosses and can easily figure out ways to make do without guns. Like Orphan is easy as fuck to backstab constantly. And the other bosses listed above don't need to be parried or helped with guns.
>>320811070
Do you have to use it as a whip in order to get the bonus?
anyone else forgo parrying during boss fights? especially against the hunters. makes them too easy. I prefer to have a more engaging duel. dodging and countering already makes them easy enough that performing viscerals honestly feels like cheesing it sometimes. too overpowered as a mechanic.
>>320818025
you can't fucking read, can you?
>>320816862
Probably to compensate for AI being worse than a human player.
>>320818064
BoM dual blade mode means no gun and I gotta go fast.
>>320816862
The AI always has to cheat to some extent, but the difference is how it makes the player feel. All enemy monsters have infinite stamina, for example, but it usually doesn't bother anyone because they don't take full advantage of it and spam attacks without end. Infinite ammo for NPCs in Dark souls, for example, didn't really matter because because their projectiles didn't tend to be that strong.
But BB messes it up a lot. Hunter NPCs have very strong, fast, hard to dodge guns, and they can spam them if you let them. It feels cheap and removes you from the experience and immersion in the world. When I'm fighting hunter NPCs, it doesn't feel like they are the actual characters just like me, but some artificially difficult video game enemy they put in because Souls games have to be "hard" now.
It's one of BB's biggest flaws, IMO.
>>320799856
>dying to Rom post-nerf
holy shit, git gud scrub
>>320818605
>It's one of BB's biggest flaws, IMO.
Yeah, on that point I agree. It is an ugly stain on an otherwise fantastic game.
>you will never be this good at Bloodborne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4KdnsFv0DY
BL4 btw
