>yfw garrisons are back in legion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPpoVzo52rw
>Blizzard realizes they fucked up hardcore with garrisons in WoD and everyone hates it
>Decide the solution is to set your garrison progress, essentially, back to zero for the new expansion, but otherwise change NOTHING
>>320788290
Observing modern Blizzard is like watching a train wreck slowed to 0.01% speed.
Kind of already knew, but meh.
If they give us random missions that the player can actually go on I'd be fine with it.
>>320788290
Were people really dumb enough to think they wouldn't be back? They need something to keep players logging on daily.
>>320788290
I started off moderately excited for Legion, but kept in mind Blizzard's pattern of releasing more and more disappointing shit as we get closer.
>niggers gonna raid Hellfire Citadel for over a fucking year
No hope that this will be the new TBC
>>320788963
>Blizzard declares their new goal is to release expansions with less content but at a more rapid rate to avoid hells like year long Siege of Orgrimmar.
>Makes WoD MORE expensive than Mists despite admitting it has less content, and the gap between the end of its content updates and Legion is just as long as SoO and WoD's launch
They're fucking jews, man.
>>320788798
its not subscribe worthy feature. they literally went to vanilla numbers thanks to it.
My hype for Legion in is completely dead. The endgame of WoW is not getting any major overhauls - it's still going to be raid or die. As an actual functioning adult, I don't have time to devote to Mythic raiding, which is the only enjoyable form of raiding.
Coupled with them casualizing all other aspects of the game further - including the classes themselves, I see very little reason to return. The toolkit of the Demon Hunters is so very small and uninteresting. Compared to the larger and more awesome toolkits I enjoyed from vanilla through wrath, I can't say I'm impressed.
>>320789394
How many difficulty tiers are there of raids now?
Its stupid. There should only be one difficulty, with optional hard modes depending on how you do the fight like in WOTLK
>>320788290
GOD DAMN this guys accent makes me want to fucking shoot myself
>>320789394
>ablobloobloo WoW is dead because i dont want to have to spend a bunch of time raiding!
I hate to break it to you anon, but I'm afraid I have some bad news: You're a casual.
Didn't they say at Blizzcon that the new Class Order Hall would be like a Garrison except you do the actual missions yourself WITH your followers instead of just sending your followers?
>>320790409
That would be nice but Blizzard has outright lied about features before.
>>320790309
That depends on your definition of a casual. I'm probably a far better player than you could ever dream to be, I've 100%'d games on their hardest difficulty, earned multiple Gladiator titles in WoW and gotten Master league in SC2 multiple times, among many other achievements I frequently obtain.
However. I don't have 100 hours to spend on games weekly anymore because I'm not a 15 year old nor am I a disgusting manchild who depends on his parents.
Lastly, nowhere did I mention that WoW is dead, just my hype for the expansion is dead. Learn to read, you dipshit. WoD is the most unpopular expansion to date and is losing subs like mad - they had to stop reporting because it's getting embarrassing.
bye
>>320789394
If you don't like raiding or pvp, yeah there is no endgame for you, what do you expect? How could Blizzard keep you entertained? For the record, they are adding some new 5-man dungeon difficulty mechanics which may make them rival raids in difficult and reward, so there is that if its just the big groups that turn you off. Of course, dungeons are not as replayable as raids because they are much shorter, and I don't know if blizzard has plans to add new ones after launch, but there is something else in the works.
At the end of the day though end game has always been and always will be about the gear grind, there is no way around it. How else are you going to reward the player at max level?
>>320790309
The raid or die mentality is one of the reasons why WoW bled over half of its subscribers since Wrath of the Lich King. You can't tailor endgame for only the vast minority (raiders) and not expect an overall dissatisfied player base.
>>320790959
>How could Blizzard keep you entertained?
There are plenty of ways to give people who don't want to raid content. Other MMOs do this just fine while also keeping content relevant for longer. Just because you're too shortsighted doesn't mean Blizzard has to be.
Too bad they're just lazy, and just want to repurpose raids as content for everyone. LFR only exist because otherwise they'd have to justify the continued resources they dump into making raids that less than 10% of the players consume when it's relevant.
>>320791247
hes a blizzdrone who's used to being fed shit
his brain has been addled for years now
happens when you only play 1 game over an entire decade
>>320791247
>Other MMOs do this just fine while also keeping content relevant for longer.
Ok, can you list some for me? List some things that other successful MMO have as endgame content that WoW doesn't.
I thought people knew that already. What the hell did people think class halls were?
>>320791443
tell me about it
i have a friend whos being playing since vanilla,
all fucking days
he liked Wod
have more than 20 chars all geared decently
i dont know how he do it, i cant even bring myself to gear a 2nd
>>320789394
>The endgame of WoW is not getting any major overhauls
but that's wrong
do some research you dumb faggot
>>320788798
>>320788501
>>320788290
>>320790602
>>320790409
They're sort of similar. With Class Halls, the people there send YOU out on missions, so you're the one going out and killing/collecting/whatever. You can also find your fellw class NPCs out in the zone at least when you're on a mission, I think Blizzard mentioned that you can ask them for help doing the mission or something. Plus you can interact with everyone who's also of your class in the Class Hall, dunno if you can see and mingle normally or have to set yit so you do.
And I still find it hilarious how people keep raging at Garrisons and now rage at Class Halls for "making people not go out inot the world", I see people out and abou all the time when I play and people have been sitting around on their asses doing nothing en masse since Vanilla. Stormwind, Orgrimmar, Shattarath, and Dalaran are ALWAYS crowded.
>>320791443
>happens when you only play 1 game over an entire decade
I see this with every community built around a popular old game, like the TF2 community.
Why the fuck can't people just let go? You're only hurting yourself.
>>320792182
The difference between capital cities and garrisons is that you were sitting on your ass with a bunch of other people. In your garrison you're sitting on your ass all by yourself.
>>320788963
So, you've done everything this game has to offer? Leveled all eleven classes, at least one of the opposite faction? Gotten all the Loremasters, explored every zone, beaten every Pet Trainer? How about PvP, where's your standing there? Have you been through EVERY raid/dungeon/scenario? That's all the non-collection stuff too, as there's so many pets/mounts/titles/transmogs/etc to collect. Find something else to do in game, or go play something else... because your complaint about their being nothing to do until Legion because you've completed one thing is stupid...
Well I'm going to wait till the release because right now the game is in alpha...
>>320792415
All people do in the cities is yap on Trade, which you can also do in the Garrison. Does it matter if you're surrounded by people if you're still being a loner?
>>320789394
>I don't have time to spend on a video game! make things worth having, more accessible!
>Things are too casual! Make things worth having more difficult and time consuming to obtain!
Poetry.
>>320792812
iam supposed to pay to do old content ?
the raid i wanna do ( ToT for awesome shield ) cant be soloed and people manage to fuck up lei-shen
and for pet battles i fucking hate undead pets imo are OP as fuck
3 turns are wasted till they can finally die
>>320792812
done with pve for 3 months and pvp is worse than it's ever been. there is literally nothing to until legion in this shitter of a game.
>>320788290
You know where characters have always been in WoW? In the main city. Go to Stormshield and you'll see it packed with people. The whole "everyone's in their garrison" boogeyman was bogus from the start.
>>320788290
I figured they'd fuck up like this
>>320794447
Oh boy I can /afk in Ashran/OG/SW/Dal/etc. or I can /afk in my Garrison or Class Hall
WOOOOO
>>320788290
I'm glad their shitty xpac is looking to be even shittier.
Banned me for botting. Fuck you Blizz. Your game is shit.
Next time I start playing an MMO it's either going to be FF14 or B&S. Blizz can go fuck right off the edge of a cliff.
>>320794596
>>320794690
i dont get it
why you pay to be afk or bot ? whats the point ?
>>320794596
Been like that since vanilla and your full of shit of you think it wasent.
>>320794596
You act like it's Blizzard's fault that people won't do anythng but sit around. There's plenty of things to do in the game even when you're max level.
>>320794690
>bots and actively ruins the game experience of other players
>is mad that he was banned
You're exactly the type of shitter that needed to be erased from the game years ago.
The game feels...different now. Emptier, even though I still feel like I see the same amount of people. Maybe I'm just seeing it in a different light. I renewed my subscription just the other day because I had this itch to heal, but something is off for me and I can't explain it.
>>320794985
I can't understand what people want. People hated dailies, they don't want to raid, they don't want to do achievement hunting, they don't want to world PVP or hunt rares, what is it that we used to have that we don't now because back during WotLK all I remember doing was dailies.
so i heard this game is single player now?
like, it's still an mmo, but everyone is in their own world?
>>320795563
that's it exactly
>>320795349
The problem is that when you have a player base as big as WoW's, there are lots of people who want different things. Soem want a bajillion different instances, some want massive raids that take a week to do some want a thousand battlegrounds and arenas, some want dailies out the ass, some want to explore and find al the hidden things, etc. But you simply can't cater to everyone because of time, money, manpower, etc. And everyone gets pissy and whiny because their demands aren't being met promptly and exclusively.
And then there are people who play the game while doing nothing but complain about every minute of it.
>>320795563
>>320795686
That's the biggest problem that the devs face. They have to be able to filter out the valid feedback from the shitters pointlessly whining.
So far they're listening to the wrong people.
>>320795349
i like Wotlk and pandaria dialies
those were good
i dont like "needing" to run more than one raid at week
i know is optional but fuck legendary ring and cape quests
i cant care less for ach and pvp
rares are not rares at all
>>320795630
>>320795563
Wrong. While the story has shifted to your character being a hero given more and more duties, you can still see and interact with other players even when you're in your Garrison or Class Hall. nothing's stopping you from talking in Trade or whatever other channel, nothing's stopping you from whispering anyone, guilds still exist, you still do instances and raids with other people, etc.
Anyone who honestly and seriously believes that you're forever alone in WoW is either a complete idiot or a complete troll.
>>320795919
Not the Draenor ones, and they were designed that way. You want to hunt Rares, head back to all of the previous content and try to find Loque'nahak, King Krush, Doomwalker, the Zandalari rares, Skoll, The Rake, Chromehound, etc. Those are rares that will have you searching and waiting for weeks or months, or even fucking years.
>>320795956
>no reason to leave garrison
>no reason to go to capital city
>no capital city to go to
>no reason to form a group for dungeons
>pvp is the worst it's ever been and arena participation is the lowest it's ever been, no reason to form a pvp group
>no world pvp
>no reason to form a raid guild
Yes it's a "rich and immersive" experience.
>>320795563
People bitched about being forced to play with other people so they didn't make grouping mandatory for standard questing.
Multiplayer games are now designed to make it so you can drop-in and drop-out of games without any kind of commitment. Destiny is designed that way, and so are MOBA's.
How many demon hunters do you expect will be running around come next Summer?
>>320788290
>le clickbait man of FFXIV shilling
I used to follow this fuck, he used to make objective thought about how WoW was being done, but once he went deep into Heavensward all he has done is make really clickbait shit and get on blizzards dick for literally every decision AND he doesn't do any fucking research. This system for example just unlocks quest and isn't like your garrison at all, and is all just placeholder anyways.
what class should I play?
I like the hunter changes... but I don't want to play an over-populated class
>>320796248
All false. I see people all over the place when I'm out doing things. I still get into instances and raids with plenty of people. I still have to deal with the opposite faction trying to kill me in Nagrand and Gorgrond and other places, to say nothing of most battlegrounds still being very active. All the previous capital cities are still stuffed to the gills with people, how would one more change anything?
>>320796651
Considering they are being labeled a hero class, a lot. Just expect the nerfs to be handed out much faster now that cookie cutter rotations are being created.
I made my Tauren shaman a female and I feel like a pig.
>>320796651
>tfw plan on maining vengance DH come legion
>going to have to put up with the shitty stigma that comes with playing one in general
I just want to tank with warglaives, still going to have fun though desu senpai
>>320796931
>implying cookie cutter rotations never existed before weren't demanded by raiding guilds
If you wanted to be top in the charts, you cut your cookie exactly like everyone else of your class and spec did. Same with bg's and arenas. At least now we have variety with talents.
>>320795314
It's in that period between expansion packs where most people have done everything they want to do and are just waiting for the next expansion.
People will claim these periods didn't exist between Vanilla/BC or BC/Wrath. They are wrong.
>>320796654
Can anyone actually still shill FFXIV after the gigantic blunder that is 3.15?
Is it even possible to actually defend that hilarious, atrocious bullshit?
>>320796896
i have this damn problem
i refuse to play a hunter or a dk
>>320796954
i dont like new tauren models, they look dumb now
I just wish it wasn't all about the 'endgame'. remember when you had a whole world to explore and your character got better as you did things? yeah that game was cool
>>320797094
>giving a shit about what random people in WoW and on /v/ think
Tank with warglaives like a mofo, bro, and do it with style.
>>320797414
Probably, he doesn't make videos since he makes more clicks on blindly hating blizzard than he does making positive opinion videos on anything.
>>320788290
>retarded face thumbnail
>clickbait title
>totalbiscuit wannabe voice
christ
>tfw the only person I know who is still subbed to wow says he fucking loves the garrisons because he can get free raid gear and gold from them
Naxx patch:
Release (US) 20 June 2006
Burning Crusade: January 15, 2007
hmmmmm
>>320797452
The new female ones are definitely better. Better than that muppet mouth crap.
>>320797094
Getting a raid spot is gonna be a bitch, but at least you will always have a spot in 5 mans because you are a tank.
>>320797484
It isn't about only the endgame. You have new worlds to explore with each expansion. The problem is that you're gone through the older content so often that yeah it does get a little boring, but that's what happens with any MMO.
And have you actually kept going around doing all the quests, exploring all the areas, finding all the goodies, etc after you hit the max level in the expansion?
Is Paladin or Priest healing more useful at the moment? I have one of each at about the same level, and I'm tired of always being that guy who abandons a class before he gets anything done. So I want to pick a healer that I can stick with and actually be of some help.
>>320797774
no, they made the leveling content stupidly easy and mindless. it used to be harder. now they basically give you max level for free. And new stuff in the expansion is really short, just a handful of easy zones
>>320788290
>>yfw garrisons are back in legion
>>320797920
Leveling has never been difficult, except for certain specs in vanilla/bc.
>>320798004
Except they're not.
>>320798012
>leveling a warrior in vanilla solo
>you accidentally pull two mobs instead of one
>>320798012
Remember the days back when there were still large areas that were filled with nothing but elite enemies?
>>320798012
but now it's so easy you don't even have to think about pulls or health/mana management. and you get so much XP you outlevel each zone halfway through
>>320798154
Timeless Isle was like that in MoP.
>>320798130
or that asshole that pull several mobs and run to your direction and you accidentally hit an aoe while you see him disengagin
>>320798230
I'm just saying, those elite areas are some of my earliest WoW memories. I think I first started playing not long before the patch that changed it.
>>320790309
>You're a casual.
>>320789394
>As an actual functioning adult
PICK BOTH.
I realize NEETs may not understand what a 40 hour work week entails, but when you factor in doing basic life maintenance shit like washing dishes, washing clothes, going to the grocery store, paying fucking bills, commuting, and doing other shit to ensure you remain one step away from "total social outcast" IRL, having time to dump into Mythic raiding becomes nothing more than a fond memory.
>In before 40 hour wage slave NEET shit blah blah
If you want the money to have nice shit, then you'll work for it. Otherwise you'll be a Mythic raider, lol...
>>320798130
>leveling a rogue
>fuck up at any moment
>vanish
Fuck reagents.
>>320798230
having to avoid that fucking elite tyronasaur to get a hit from the rare turtle was good
>>320797862
they're both good, competent holy paladins are a huge pain to deal with in arenas
>>320798154
Those were intended for groups, some of the classes that were better at solo'ing could manage those areas alone, and I admit that doing so was very fun, but it wasn't really intended.
>>320798198
I do agree that it was more fun when you had to be careful.
>>320798353
>Silverpine Forest
>random lvl 20 Elite Sons of Arugal wandering around among the normal mobs
>always have to play on pins and needles worried if one of those fuckers would suddenly come roaring at me from over a hill or out of a thicket
>Wailing Caverns instance entrance
>every enemy inside is lvl 15-17 Elite
>need a group just to get to the entrance of the instance itself
I remember when I'd hit level 11-12 on a Hunter character, head over there, and tame the lvl 11 Elite Wind Serpent that hung aorund the very entrance to the cave. And that was back when taming a pet took 20 seconds and stripped you of your armor. Ah, the artifical difficulty of Vanilla.
>>320796248
>No reason to leave garrison
Except for dungeons, raids, questing, daily assault missions, resource gathering, Tanaan dailies, rare spawn hunting, world bosses, exploration, treasure hunting, holiday events, PvP, pet battling/catching, achievements...
>>320798839
>Almost all of those are que'd up so you can still dick around in your garrison
>Citing hunts and one-time events as meaningful content when you get the most of out them one time only
>>320798839
I don't care about any of that, neither does anyone else.
>>320798839
most of which you access via a menu option
>>320798406
i bill $220 an hour as software security/network auditor, sometimes work 12 hour days but im still world top mythic raider (that doesnt raid 20 hours a day for the first 2 weeks of a new tier, we raid 4hrs/day 4days/week and we came us 6th last tier for example, us10 this tier
it's not the fault of the game that you can't manage your time properly, mythics are incredibly accessible to anyone that has the least bit of skill
>>320798761
>comfy memories of getting a little 3 man group together for these quests
>>320799047
>boasting about your salary on an internet message board
btw you sound like you have the IQ of a wow player
>>320799047
>i bill $220 an hour as software security/network auditor
Brb let me change careers to a job that lets me bill some hilarious per hour salary (and from home!) so I can be a Mythic raider.
FFS fucking Attorneys around here average $150-$250 hr and I know plenty of them pulling 50+ hour work weeks. GUESS THEY CAN'T BE MYTHIC RAIDERS NOW CAN THEY?
>>320799047
There are the rare guilds that raid in a time-conscious manner. But they don't take any bullshit and are tougher to get into.
You really can't have the best of both worlds. You either have to deal with whatever tyrant is running those guilds, or deal with running your own casual shitter guild and babysitting whiny wrathbabies all day.
>>320799093
Ugh, that nightmare. Only reason I did it was to get the invisible leather chest.
Come on, Blizzard, let us transmog to it. You're letting Demon hunters be topless, let all the other Leather people be too.
>>320799047
>i bill
>my boss bills
>my boss bills and send someone else to do the work
>i assist this person by doing menial work for them
>>320799171
i was responding to the post that implied that every mythic/pushing raider was a neet/15 year old which is absolutely not true at all, i don't think ive met a single mythic raider under the age of 20 and like 90% of them are actual adults and have functioning lives so yes you are retarded
>>320799291
>(and from home!)
god i wish
i have no idea what your post is trying to say btw
>>320799369
then don't bring bullshit to an established guild?
>>320799479
no, I bill
I'm incredibly tempted to buy a second 100 boost for my 82 DK but it's stupid. I wish the level boost price differed depending on the level of the character.
>It's not actually garrison or garrison missions
>It's putting you out there in the world to do these quests
>Youtubers still causing mass steria with their dramatic rantings about a system that no has seen working yet and that is still using placeholders for everything
>Normies still getting buttmad over something they have no knowledge about without even looking into what they're getting mad about
>>320799093
>that one guy who had an epic mount on your server
>lifeless
>randomly runs up and offers to assist your ragtag group
>has 2 pieces of lightforge
>everyone immediately recognizes him has one of the first 60s on your server
>feel like you just met a celebrity
those were the days
>>320799647
how much is a boost atm
>>320799609
I'm a mythic raider. I'm adult with a job and I raid 1 and a half hours from monday to thursday.
Anyone that says they can't progress into mythic are just shit at the game.
>>320798012
pretty much every spec in vanilla for the initial few months before nerfs.
>>320799690
Welcome to /v/, especially when it comes to companies we've declared our mortal enemies.
WoW nowadays feels like a copy of what it used to be. Like there's a different game underneath, wearing WoW's skin.
>>320799712
And that's what was cool about the open-world experience instead of sitting in your garrison all day.
>>320798198
>outlevel each zone halfway through
This does my fucking head in. I like to see each quest chain to completion, but no it's all gray by the time I'm 50% done.
>>320799760
Sixty dollary doos. For some reason more expensive than the fucking expansion.
>>320799760
60 bucks flat, even if you are level 99 and want a boost. They'd make an assload of money if they monitized it by the level you boosted at. I would pay money to skip the grind current expansion grind.
>>320788290
It's exactly what they said it was going to be during Blizzcon.
I swear, Az is one of the most retarded WoW youtubers out there. Most of his videos rely on clickbait titles.
>>320799690
for a system that looks and functions exactly like the current wod system, placeholder or not, theres not much hope that it's going to be any different and blizzard hasn't given us anything to say otherwise other than a few blizzcon slides (which are totally worthless to hold on them)
>>320799907
levelling is nerfed after each expansion so it doesn't take months to reach cap, since 99% of the game is at cap
>>320798964
>Almost all of those are que'd up
>>320799794
Everyone has a different learning curve. And it's obvious that you're just one of those "filler" raid spots where you can get away with raid logging. You're so full of yourself that you're probably not even aware of how hard other people are carrying you.
Blizzard has become a shitty game dev with no inspiration or artistic direction. The fact they are rehashing content yet again for 2 straight xpacs proves that.
>hurr callback to Warcraft 2
>hurr callback to Warcraft 3
The universe is stagnant and they have no idea how to fix that. They only thing they've come up with so far is to copy game of thrones and use constant character deaths to provide a sense of drama and change. Though most people can see that's a completely hollow approach to story telling.
Most of the devs that made the WoW you loved years ago are not even on the WoW team now. The new team is shit and they keep churning out shit. If WoW didn't have the loyalty foundation built by the better team years ago, WoW would already have died.
Instead its a very gradual death where the stubborn fans remain and hope that eventually Blizzard will make a decent experience again. The thing is...they can't. To make a decent mmo experience again they would need to scrap things like CRZ, but they've made it perfectly clear they have no intentions of scrapping their recent developments but instead continuing on developing with them which ensures an MMO experience that will be boring after a couple months.
We all know WoW subs will spike by a million or maybe even 2 million at launch, but a year later will be back 5 million or maybe even less depending on how many of the loyal customers finally give up on this product.
Personally, I'd tell anyone to just skip any upcoming WoW expansion. But I know they will rush out to buy it and then be disappointed with it later. Thats the WoW cycle, World of Buyers Remorse.
>>320798154
You mean like every single zone in WOD?
>>320800039
>Being retarded
>reaction image
adds up
>>320798406
Meh I do mythic progression while working 9-5.
Raiding hasn't been anywhere near as time consuming since vanilla/bc. There's a lot less prep now.
The only time it gets really bad is when a new raid is being released, but in my country we get a bare minimum of 22 days of paid leave so...
>>320800163
how do i queue for any of the following
>questing
>daily assault missions
>resource gathering
>Tanaan dailies
>rare spawn hunting
>world bosses
>exploration
>treasure hunting
>holiday events
>pet battling/catching
>achievements
>>320798973
Oh, okay. Guess that's your problem and not the game's, then. Because I still see tons of other players participating in everything that I listed.
>>320800163
go ahead and break down how many of those are queue-able, it's nowhere near 50% my friend
>Content older than the latest raid tier will always be useless, effectively wasting all the time spent developing and tuning it.
>The open world will always just be leveling bootcamp. You never have any reason to revisit any zone except what's on the latest continent.
>The world and gameplay will never not be dull, streamlined shit that is the same wherever you go, scrubbed of anything unique or interesting.
>All types of content except raids will forever remain gutted to offer no progression or challenge, to try and force people into doing raids forever. (i.e. content that can only be run once per week and gets changed maybe once or twice per year if you're lucky)
>Professions will never be fun or useful.
>Content will never not be mostly queued, instanced shit with bots and randoms you will never see again, requiring no coordination or socialization.
>The lore and story will never not be retarded, and your character will never not be the super special snowflake chosen one destined to lead their class and wield the ashbringer.
>Blizzard will never stop sucking the cash shop's dick in a game which already charges for expansions and a subscription.
>Blizzard will never be able to release more than one content patch every 6 months (at best), despite the team always being "bigger than ever".
>Blizzard will never make an expansion that doesn't have less content than the one before it.
>They will never not get super defensive and aggressively deny any fault on their part if you try to call them out on any of this shit.
>>320788290
>Outlaw rogue
huh?
>>320800136
>game of thrones invented character deaths
I fucking hate millenials
>>320800107
Our raids are only one and a half hour long. I raid every single one of our raid days and all the raid time.
>>320800278
>Ignoring the 2nd half of the post explaining that its mostly one time content
The retardation continues.
>But m-muh Tanaan dailies!!!!
>>320800360
>Going to 2 face
>If your be a
>Makee pretty
>Then at least
>Onee of them
>>320800340
Combat is now Outlaw. Think pirate shit.
>>320800360
if you've follow Warcraft for any length of time at all, you'd know they used to actually develop characters instead of just killing them off constantly.
Blizzard copies popular trends. Thats why you get facebook games and GOT tier writing. Because Blizzard is a shit company with no artistic direction or vision. They don't have an original idea left in their collective studio body.
I've just made a mage. Which one has the most fun?
>>320799026
You can queue for dungeons and LFR difficulty raids, as well as PvP. Disregarding that any raid difficulty above LFR will require you to manually find a group of other players and travel to the raid, that's three things. I listed fourteen things. That doesn't sound like "Most of" the list to me.
Also, just because you CAN AFK in your garrison while waiting in queues doesn't mean that you're FORCED TO. I never got this complaint, because there have been people who have spent their queue time sitting in capitals since the dungeon finder was first introduced. Personally, I leave my garrison and find things to do while I wait, but if you don't, I can see why you might not have a satisfying experience.
>>320800027
It's impossible to say it fuctions like our current WoD system because it isn't working yet. They already said you're going to be out there in the world doing the quests.
>>320800429
>show up and get carried
>hurrdurr I'm so good gaiz everyone else is a shitter
You have to spend a lot more time if you're actually managing the guild. But they're doing a good job if you are able to be as clueless as you are.
>>320800330
>no big mmo is providing a story in which you are a cog in the machine
>FFXIV didn't go the FFT route and make two warring factions in which you are a pawn, and slowly discover both are full of shit and being pupperteered, while still allowing PvP after understanding the necessity to fight for your homeland
>>320800518
Yeah like Lothar, Grom, Arthas, Uther, Varimathras, Malganis, Nerzhul, Guldan....
Oh, wait nevermind you're fucking retarded
>>320788290
so are they gonna make garrisons just totally ungoable to after lvl 100? most people have them just set up now as literal gold farms. I can't imagine blizz will let you still make like 20k a week with literally just logging on every 8 hours and then still make more money of legion's garrisons
>>320800330
>Content older than the latest raid tier will always be useless, effectively wasting all the time spent developing and tuning it.
Catch up mechanics are the worst. You should get have to get gear from the previous raid to do the current raid.
>>320800516
oh cool
does that mean i can throw a pirate ship or equip cannons?
can i throw anchors? have a shark or parrot companion that can attack?
>>320800516
...But why?
>>320800464
>we HATE daily content, create interesting content!!!!
>UGH I COMPLETED IT ONCE IT'S IRRELEVENT. I PLAY 8 HOURS A DAY 7 DAYS A WEEK YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR DAILY CONTENT INTERESTING
poor MMO devs, i'm starting to understand their pain
did lifeless faggots with no self control and issues with addiction kill the genre?
>>320800674
I never said no one died.
But now they do things like
>"character dies for no real reason"
>*insert new placeholder character to make the players feel as if the universe grew in some way*
>never develop this new placeholder character
>and/or kill them anyway
Anyone still playing WoW is fucking retarded. You can't get anymore braindead and willfully ignorant than current WoW fanboys. Your game sucks, and your company is milking you like cattle.
>>320800626
>managing the guild
The only thing they do that I don't is recruiting people. There's nothing else to do. On top of that I coordinate all the fights, I don't get carried.
>You will never shitpost about a game you "hate" years after you quit, still posting the latest alpha news that is a confirmed placeholder
I never understood people who claim there's nothing to do
It's not like old content is gone, I resubbed a week ago and I've been having a good time doing Molten Front and all that
>>320800540
I just started leveling my own mage recently, but I've been having a ton of fun in Fire spec. Get the Dragonbreath glyph that doubles its damage and watch your DPS skyrocket hilariously in dungeon pulls involving three or more mobs.
>>320800626
Well yes obviously it's more time consuming if you're involved with managing the guild.
The lack of consumables/world buffs makes the preparation requirements minimal these days.
>>320800953
calm down boy-genius, you need to go slower for us sheeple.
We're just curious, as unintelligent sheep who follow our mastors, what you meant by 'GoT' copying, when every single Warcraft game to date has had important characters die.
>Vanessa Vancleef is your follower
this shit drives me nuts. The player has become an absolute aplha demigod of lgendary status who's fame has far surpassed every single character in all of WoW. Every one and thing bows to your greatness. You are more amazing and legendary than Luke skywalker, Neo, Commander Shepherd, Master Chief and Jesus combined. the ultimate savior of the very fabric of reality.
>>320800974
A lot of the shitposters truly loved the game at one point and harbor a secret hope that it will become good again. And when they occasionally look they're so disgusted that they shitpost about it.
>>320801080
>you will never fuck Vanessa Vancleef on the ship where you killed her father
feels bad man
>>320801098
It's TORtanic syndrome. Every move the hated company does is just "LOOK THEY'RE GOING TO HIT THE ICEBERG! ANY MINUTE NOW!" for these shitposters.
>>320792812
>So, have you eaten every piece of shit that blizz has served to you on a plate? Because if you haven't you shouldn't be bitching about only eating the parts of the shit you like.
this is you desu senpai
>>320800953
>OH NOES, A MAJOR FRANCHISE KILLS MAJOR CHARACTERS, WOW IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOES THAT AND THEY TOTALLY RIPPED OFF SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T EXIST UNTIL YEARS AFTER THE GAME WAS LAUNCHED YOU ALL SUCK YOUR GAME SUCKS I'M SO AWESOME BOW TO ME NARFNARFNARF!!!
>>320801187
>You'll never have an Night Elf Warrior wife
>Amazonian in stature
>Total tomboy
>Has a cute side she'll only show to you
>>320801080
and yet still have to sit there while maiev/tyrion/thrall/etc finishes off the big boss for you
>>320801075
Please pay 25$ for this new mount that is not covered by your monthly subscription fee!
Don't worry, there is a store icon conveniently placed on your in game interface.
>playing an MMO that is shamelessly getting you on both ends.
>acting like a free to play but still charging a subscription fee on top of it.
>withholding content from paying customers just so that customers will have to pay a little more.
>pumping out short expansions with lack of content at full price
WoW is a milking machine, and stupid people like yourself allow it. Even sadder...you defend it.
>>320801398
waifu-fags are the worst, can we at least all agree on that?
>>320801431
>TyrionRIP
>>320801464
literally not even subbed, literally never touched the cash shop. just talking shit about you young morons who always say the newest show/movie/game to do something was the 'first'
>>320801431
Did you even play Warlords? Khadgar and a few other major characters are present for the final boss fight against Archimonde, but there's zero implication that they did the killing rather than the raid group.
>>320798072
>feces are not the same as turds
shaking my head to be honest family
>>320788290
>making a rant video about garrisons
Isn't all of that completely optional
>>320799690
>>It's putting you out there in the world to do these quests
so like these apex daily grind quest where you have to kill shit until you fill up the meter? But now you will be teleported there immediately. Yeah go fuck yourself
>>320801464
It should be obvious to anyone that WoW got turned from an immersive player experience to a money making machine where every decision goes through a room of people in suits who have never touched a video game.
You can feel the soullessness of it.
>>320788290
>Heelvsbabyface
This dude fucking hates wow and blizzard
>>320801678
To be fair, it's not really optional at all if you want to keep up with the rest of the games content, and especially if you want to keep up with your character's professions.
However, the video is still retarded because Legion does not have garrisons and will not have garrisons as we know them, and the feature that the guy is ranting about is pretty significantly different in that it sends you out to do things rather than the other way around.
>>320801464
>never touched the store
>never bought anything other than the game and subscription time
What now, nigga? Nothing in the store is important or useful for anything, if you want it fine, if you don't oh well. Stop throwing a hissy fit over other people using an optional thing.
And you still haven't explained the whole "Game of Thrones ripoff" thing. Was GoT the very first piece of fiction in history to kill off major lore characters?
>>320788290
>panic over a placeholder
they said that you'll still have followers but more like how bodyguards worked, and the "mission interface" will basically be you selecting a quest and what followers you want to bring with you
you guys are so fucking eager jumping on the blizz-hate wagon
>>320801849
So it's the exact same thing
Blizzdrones, everyone.
>Get grumpus mount yesterday along with gold CMs finally completed
>4 pieces out of HFC Mythic today as well as the mythic blackhand mount and the ragnaros enchant from the greench quest
>mfw this can only mean that something terrible is going to happen to me soon
>>320800904
You don't know the half of it.
>>320800330
>The open world will always just be leveling bootcamp. You never have any reason to revisit any zone except what's on the latest continent.
Aren't they putting invasions all over the old world in legion?
>>320790823
>look at all this crap I said i dont but no proof otherwise
unless youi got a time stamped screen shot of your character and achivments then you are full of shit.
put up or shut up.
>>320801961
>It's the exact opposite
>So it's the exact same thing
Shitposters, everyone.
>>320792415
Personally, I hope there's an option to phase the class halls so you're the only one there. I'd rather not see fifty other people with the same artifact running around at the same time every NPC is saluting me and shit.
Cant wait for this game to die ayy. Fuck the jews at blizz. WoW going f2p after legion.
>>320802370
>Finish the Ret Paladin quest
>Every major lore paladin in the game salutes you as you are bequeathed the Ashbringer and given the title of Highlord.
>Class hall then phases out to reveal the 50 other Highlords with Ashbringers.
Can't make this up.
>>320801678
you had to do garrison BS in warlords to get the legendary ring
Anyone fucking over to Blade and Soul when it comes out.
>>320800904
Part of the issue is that those lifeless faggots were pandered to to begin with.
This causes a butterfly effect of shit.
You know like all those top raiding guilds bitching about 25man being too easy or 10 man being too imbalanced or whatever.
Retard faggots who dont raid either of those hardcore started parroting this and it became a really popular topic everywhere.
So blizzard listened and made it so that we got one difficulty only, 20man. They definitely loved that idea because it means less work for them.
Now that kind of discussion is dead and people got what they asked for, but the result is that tons of raiding guilds had to disband because they were used to raiding 10man for more than half a decade.
20man mythic RUINED tons of guilds and its one of the primary reasons why many quit.
This isn't news. THey literally talked about that in blizzcon.
>>320802556
It's kind of a shit quest too. Nowhere near as long as a lot of the others.
How come Blizzard is allowed to get away with their ungodly expensive microtransaction bullshit?
$15 for a character re-customization is absurd.
>>320802021
Take the raids out of WoW's endgame, and what else do you have? WoW has a severe lack of content, if anything the game needs more Tigole's that complain about not having to do anything, because as it is now, they just quit and the game goes to shit because of the severe lack of content. Raids aren't just for 1% of the players
>>320803121
Because people are willing to pay. Only reason.
>mfw refunded legion and overwatch about a week ago
>mfw see this now
welp Legion looks like a fucking joke. More apexis daily grinds but it's points for your gay weapon that everyone has, also garrison shit returns. Reused Dalaran entirely didn't even change it at all. This expansion smells low budget like WoD again too few dungeons, cutting raid tiers already.
I'm literally just over it, modern blizzard can suck a cock.
>>320803187
How is it not okay when Evolve does day 1 DLC but it's fine for Blizzard with Overwatch and Starcraft? I'm really fucking sick of this shit.
They are allowed to fucking get away with murder.
>>320803362
It's okay because people are willing to pay. People didn't want to pay for evolve dlc.
It's literally capitalism. Something is worth just as much as people are willing to pay for it.
Sure, it's bullshit, but as long as blizz makes a killing otu of those basic shits, they will keep charging for it.
>>320803505
What kind of crazy mind control does Blizzard have over its consumer base? Nobody can be this retarded can they?
I mean, even Valvedrones protested against that $100 diamond ring in TF2 right?
>>320803362
When has Blizzard ever done day-one DLC?
Unless you're referring to cosmetic microtransactions, which are completely different although arguably also just as bad.
>>320803362
Evolve was too blatant about it.
It was also core content that they were selling to you.
Character transfers are secondary. Mounts are tertiary.
They're not selling classes, gear and raids as DLC to people unless you count expansions as that.
Blizzard DID get shit for the cosmetic helmets though. They never repeated those because people really disliked them.
>>320803602
Companies been doing this for centuries. Bottled water is the most basic example.
Bottled water costs like, over 100x more than tap water, and they are 99.5% the same. Yet almost everybody buys them.
People love to pay for shit.
>>320803602
There were protests. The first time it happened. Now everyone is used to it or has left.
Careful, that slope is slippery.
>>320803907
Bottled water? That shit is old hat.
It's bottled AIR now.
http://www.techinsider.io/canadian-startup-sells-canned-air-china-2015-12
>>320803907
>>320803915
I just can't rationalize it. Is a virtual item in something like Dota 2 really worth the $40 Valve is charging for it? Shit like that makes no sense.
You could buy a whole new video game with the $100 boost Blizzard is selling. I don't fucking understand the logic.
>>320804128
I meant $60 level 100 boost.
>>320804128
Convenience, a bit of sunken cost, brand loyality, social peer pressure, etc etc.
it's all explained in psychology.
>>320804128
A lot of the people playing are soulless 9-5ers who have nothing else to spend their money on. Dropping 100 bucks on something they know they're going to use for 50+ hours is good value to them.
>>320804128
>$100 boost
I hope that this is a typo and that you don't actually think a character level boost actually costs that much.
Although the price is still highway robbery regardless.
>>320804112
In that case its pure desperation of people who are really fucked.
>>320804395
>>320804241
didn't refresh before posting; my bad
>>320804128
If it's anything that gives some semblance of hope, it's that the time Blizzard tried to sell Cosmetic Helmets for 10 dollars. Almost no one wore them, and I've seen my share of giggles, along with Vote Kicks, against people who even wear them
>>320804395
Blizzard rationalized it like this:
>Well, since we're offering a character boost with the expansion, there will inevitably be people who buy multiple copies of the game to get the boosts and then transfer the characters to their main account.
>May as well provide the service for them.
>>320804537
But Legion costs $50 and the separate level boost costs $60. That's 10 dollars extra.
Plus you can't buy a second copy of the game on one account so that explanation makes no fucking sense.
>>320804537
What gets me is that it would take well under one month of subscription time to manually level a new character from 1 to 100 if you were serious about doing it, so the level boost is making you pay more than fourfold just for the convenience.
I guess it's true that time is money, but I don't think the conversion rate is quite what Blizzard seems to believe.
Having said that, I thought (and still think) that level boosts as a paid service were an awful idea to begin with, so I guess the next best thing to not having them around at all is having them be prohibitively expensive.
>>320804676
I'd wager you have to buy the previous expacs too, which are usually sold together for a discounted price. Either that or it's just a convenience charge.
Also you can transfer characters between different accounts registered in the same name.
