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I hate to be that guy, but every poll that people took leading
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I hate to be that guy, but every poll that people took leading up to the reveal showed King K. Rool as number one, while Bayonetta was always tied up with Sora and others around 9-10.

Do you think it's possible that Sakurai just saw more potential in Bayonetta? She has a game on the Wii U that could use a boost (and could potentially get one through Smash), and she wasn't as expected as well,so she has the element of surprise to hype her up a bit.

Sakurai claimed it would all be fanservice from here, but do you think it's possible that maybe he just picked his favorite choice out of the top 10, and not the actual number 1, most feasible Nintendo/3rd party character from the list?

Also I want to stress that I'm really happy with Bayonetta, but it just seems kind of odd how things ended up. Does this indicate a bigger problem with online polling? Because multiple polls had similar results, and Bayonetta wasn't even in the top 5.
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neo nintendo
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>>320747659
Maybe Sakurai is just hetero and likes tits and ass?
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>>320747659
Most people in the mainstream audience don't even know who K. Rool is. You overestimate the legitimacy of Internet polls.
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I'm expecting that one angry wojak edit of K Rool any second now.
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Only v wanted K Rool.
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>>320747867
this desu i literally didn't know who K. Rool was until deluded fags started spamming him left and right
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>>320747867
Yeah, but I feel that not many more would know about Bayonetta? I could and am probably wrong though. I'm older, so DKC was a huge part of my childhood.
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>>320747659
Yes it's pretty obvious they lied about the polling (or they were stupid to stop botting). She wasn't popular online and the game sold like shit so it's not likely she got casual votes to make uo the difference. Kamiya and Sakurai are friends, that's why Bayonetta got in.
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>>320747659
>Sakurai claimed it would all be fanservice from here
That went out the window when they added Corrin anyway.
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>>320747659
K. Rool was definitely in the top 3 but has any one ever thought that Sack-o-rye wants to surprise people? He doesn't care if it's a good or bad surprise he just wants surprises. Look back when the game was first revealed, we got Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Who saw those coming? No one. If it was K. Rool and Wolf it would have been too predictable. Where as Bayo and a 6th FE rep no one saw coming Because they were dumb additions
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>>320748049
You must be at least 10 years old to post on this website
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>>320748049
That's just because you just turned 18 and didn't play good games
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>>320748145
I fucking GUARANTEE you Bayonetta got more votes on the smash ballot proper than any errant strawpoll aiming to gauge general sentiment
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>>320747659
Maybe there were licensing issues with K. Rool? Isn't he technically Rare's creation?
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>>320748350
>10 years old
That's why he posted
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>>320747659
>>320748268

Fanservice means panty shots and tits to Japs.

Not 'what the fans want'.

Do you not know the meaning of fanservice?
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Why are Smashfags such whiny babies?
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I wish Sakurai would give older reps a fucking boost. Part of the reason I would want Takamaru and a stage from his game is cuz I don't know much about him. It's cool to have older shit re-imagined, but I guess we're past that point in Smash Bros.
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>>320748456
So is Diddy. All DK characters made under rare still belong to Nintendo.
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>>320748407
>>320748350
But i'm 22, i just didn't have a gaming console until i was 13, and that was when the Game Cube was already out. Don't judge me, because my parents just didn't want to buy me an N64
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>>320748456
Nope. He belongs entirely to Nintendo. Just look at the copyrights for each of the 3rd party mii costumes. All of them have a copyright for their owner company, but K Rool is just Nintendo. http://www.smashbros.com/us/dlc/index.html
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>>320748456
No. He's been in past, post-Rare, games, and he is 100% owned by Nintendo. If they hadn't had the rights to K. Rool, they wouldn't own the rights to Diddy.
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Most sites that took those polls aren't visited by people with taste.

>>320748561
Most of those whining don't even own a 3DS or Wii U to play Smash 4. They're still pirating Brawl and playing PM on their computers.
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LISTEN TO ME KROOL KEKS
His move set would have sucked. His character would have sucked. He hasn't been a major villain since the N64. I do not see how he would impact anything by being added but being slow and even worse than DK and Bowser. It would be nice to see him as a stage hazard though.
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>>320748530

This
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>>320748609
That's no excuse for not playing good games
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>>320748327

Villager was widely expected, Wii Fit trainer not at all .
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>>320747659
I don't think the poll was to put the highest voted one in the game. It was just to see what generated interest, and Sakurai chose literally anything he wanted but used the poll as reference.
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>>320747659
I'm honestly waiting for him to actually release the top 100 results instead of the whole "Bayonetta win. You buy her in February" bullshit.
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>>320747659

What is marketing potential?

>Bayo wii u exclusive
>no new DK game planned or to be released anytime soon
>FFVII remake, marketing potential
>New Fire Emblem coming, marketing potential

Not to say that I agree with the choices despite Bayo, but this is the only reason why any of these three were considered above anyone else.

LOL AT GENO FAGS
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>>320748747
Than my point still stands
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>>320748747
People warmed up to WFT like the day after her announcement because they realized how fucking funny it was.
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>>320748743
Yes it is, because by the time i started playing video games the market was already full of good games, you're bound to miss some of them. Besides, i always really disliked DK aesthetically and have thus never played a single DK game.
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>>320748848
Yeah, this is what I think as well. I think it's a shame, but what can you do.
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>>320748931
That's not the point
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>>320748848
>>no new DK game planned or to be released anytime soon
Wrong on that. Retro has said they want to do a trilogy. Whether or not they want to use K Rool is up to debate.
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>>320747659
He claimed she was number 1 among realizable characters.

Now, when normal people think of characters who aren't "realizable" they think of Goku, Batman, and Reggie. However, we don't actually know what Sakurai's criteria for realizable is. So yes, it's likely he was bullshitting.
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I think Bayonetta was already worked on

How in 2 months do you come up with a nearly-fully completed character with a complicated moveset, as well as stages and new music?


Also look at how Sakurai created the K Rool mii costume, why did he have any reason to create a mii costume for K Rool? It was because of the ballot.

He saw the result for K Rool and said "He is not a realizablecharacter"
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>>320749008
I hope they do. I get that they wanted to do their own thing for the first to and not rely on the past but after Tikis and Vikings didn't work it's time to go back to what has. Not to mention they can still re-invent the Kremlings and still leave their mark
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>>320749257
Also note that both Pit and Palutenas voice actors recorded additional lines. Was probably recorded in january
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>>320749257
>How in 2 months...
They likely didn't start when the ballot ended. They probably saw she had an early lead halfway into the ballot and started development then.
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>>320747659
ITS
NOT
FAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU SAKURAI, I'M NEVER BUYING A SINGLE ONE OF YOUR SHIT MANCHILD GAMES AGAIN!!!
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>>320749452
>ballot winner intro shows off Sakurai's favourite characters meeting the ballot winner
It's almost as if mario doesn't exist
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>>320749676
Called it. Shitposters are so predictable.
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>>320748456
>Maybe there were licensing issues with K. Rool?
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>>320749738
It's Bayonetta. Angels are the most fitting thing to pit against her.
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>>320749416
>pretending to care about what filler enemies in a platformer game look like

Sad cunts like this have probably never played more than ten minutes of DKC1 in their lives.
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>>320747659
It's obvious that whole Bayonetta wins poll was complete BS, Nintendo probably got the OK since Bayo2 and that was that, no need to negotiate for other characters when you got a dead IP begging you to use it.
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Hey said that bayonetta was the top of the "NEGOTIABLE/REALISTIC" candidates from the poll. Meaning that several characters were not negotiable no matter who wanted them in, for licensing or just the dev team doesnt want them reasons.

Basically the poll allowed use to vote for literally anything, but of the characters that could actually be possible, she was the top.
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>>320750123
>for licensing or just the dev team doesnt want them reasons.
One if the reasons for the dev team to not work on them is because Sakurai doesn't like them.
He looks out for his own interests. Why do you think uprising has 3 reps
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>>320750103
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying The kremlings already have a fan base and a charm to them the Tikis and Vikings didn't have the same charm.
Also I've played and owned every main series DK game and it's easily in my top 5 game series.
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>>320749534
This. Probably the votes slowed almost to a halt by September because everyone and their mothers voted within the first month.
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>>320750406
Care to elaborate on what you feel is specifically compelling about the visual design of cartoon crocodiles without using circular cop-out phrases for me then? There's no real thematic cohesion between any of them outside of dkc2, outside of that game they all just look like dumb cartoon crocodiles to me, I don't really see the appeal.
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>>320747659
I think the demographics for these fan-made polls are going to be pretty different than the official Nintendo poll.I think if you were to ask the hardcore smash community who they wanted they would lean more with the classic Nintendo characters especially if they are old, than 3rd party fighters. if Nintendo wanted they could have probably made K rool and said he was top3 in Europe and 1st in US and he was near the level of Bayonetta, but a significant part of it is advertising, we saw with Corrin. That literally only Japan would of wanted.
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>>320748959
>I always really disliked DK aesthetically

Fucking garbage taste.
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>>320748747
Neither was duck hunt nor bowser Jr
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>>320748791
It is bit happening and you know it aswell
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>>320748682
>Most sites that took those polls aren't visited by people with taste.

You really think casuals and children (the people not participating in online polls) were voting Bayonetta?
The Delusion is real
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>>320749676
>>320747659
frendly reminder
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>>320751550
She's not even "The Queen of Salt". It's mostly the Fire Emblem faggot that's made everyone salty.

SIX REPS
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>>320751470
*not happening
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>>320748456
If there were licensing issues they wouldn't have put in a fucking K Rool costume. Sakurai just didn't feel he was worth spending time into making his own character.
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>>320751637
Actually, now that you mention it, Corrin had more tears from fanboys than Bayo.
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>>320751637
It's still a funny gif and doesn't really matter for the shitposters, they are salty about everything regardless
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>>320751973
Yeah, because people actually like Bayo.
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>>320752057
Well that's a larf and a harf.
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>>320747659
Sorry anon, K Rool simply wasn't "realizable".

:^)
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>>320747867
>You overestimate the legitimacy of Internet polls.

The Smash Ballot was an internet poll, announced by an internet event.

If it was decided by mainstream audiences then Bayo wouldn't have won since she's only got a cult following online.
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>but every poll that people took leading up to the reveal showed King K. Rool as number one

>King K Meme faggots will never stop spouting this
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>>320751283
Not him but lol
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Why is it that only the K Rool guys are still whining about the ballot results? All the other bandwagon characters like Shovel Knight and Waddle Dee seem to have vanished without a trace, and I never see snake fags or shantae memers complaining that their favourite character was supposed to be topping the charts.
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>>320752727
>Why is it that only the K Rool guys are still whining about the ballot results?
Because they constantly posted obscure internet polls as a representation of the smash one when it most likely had less than a 16th of the input.
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>>320747659
>Reddit/4chan polls
>every poll

Literally no one I know voted for K. Rool. Face it, you were just an obnoxiously loud minority.

Someone please spam this thread with "IT'S NOT FAIR" so these faggots can cry more.
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Samples taken from specific web communities may not represent the overall result when taking in every person who ever entered something in the ballot world wide who may not belong to these communities or participate in their polls.
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>>320752727
False flagging and shitposting. I'm a fucking massive K. Rool fag pic related, I drew that and I know when a meme needs to die.
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>>320753075
It's not specific to just them though, I remember seeing shit like wonder red topping /v/ polls all the time, but I don't think i've heard a peep out of them since the direct.
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Why do people say "GENOFAGS BTFO"? Genofags came out the best of anyone.
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>>320753256
It's not specific to them but they are the ones that went overboard with it.
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>>320752398
Well, they're not wrong.
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If you seriously thought the poll wasn't going to be fudged to some degree, you are retarded. Just be glad we didn't get Wolf or Goku.
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>>320753407
Actually Sceptilefags did. He got to become playable in another fighting game.
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>>320753547
God what a piece of shit pokemon.

It looks like a grown man naked and painted green.
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>>320753879
Stay salty Swampertfag :)
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Im bored as shit. Anyone want a tourney?
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>>320753407
Because your character became a mii costume right before you found out whether your character was going to be in of not. By this logic Ashley, Tails and Knuckles were also btfo more them anyone else, which they were, but out of this three plus Geno, Geno was by far the most popular choice.

Anyways, it's the mii costume aspect: it represents disrespect.
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>>320753879
All humanoid Pokemon are shit.
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>>320754047
But my favourite pokemon is Hawlucha; the El Fuerte of pokemon.
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>>320754047
>IMPLYING
Don't care about Swampert at all.

Just an anon who likes to shit on bad pokemon designs.
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>>320754178
But Pokken already has a Luchador fighter :D
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>>320754178
>cucked by luchachu
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>>320747659
Why are you fuckers still going on about this? It's done and over. It's was just a poll about adding a character in a party game and they never even promised they would add the poll winner. Get over it already.
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>>320754358
>just an anon who likes to shit on bad pokemon designs.
Well then tell me. What Pokémon designs do you deem worthy?
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>>320747659
I don't know how to break this to you without hurting your wittle feelings anon, but it can only mean one or both of two things:

1. the fan polls were fucking bullshit and didn't reflect the results of the suggestion box

2. K. Rool was not considered a "doable character", as Sakurai put it. The most likely reason I can think of is not enough potential for an interesting moveset, and as a DK fan I'd be inclined to agree.
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Europe they don't care for meme characters, also Bayonetta was 6th not 9th-10th
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>>320755181
If you can't see how K rool has some of the most moveset potential of any character in nintendo than I know you're not really a fucking DK fan
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is bayonetta that popular?

this was an online poll, announced online. most people that voted likely post on message boards or at least youtube / reddit / tumblr / twitter.

she was far down the line in mentioning every place I seen
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>>320756527
Bayo and Bayo 2 are cult hits basically, not surprising she'd be popular on an online poll.

I guess Muslims must really like her since it was Europe that got her made.
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No filthy western characters in pure Japanese vidya allowed
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>>320749817
stay mad
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>>320756527
>is bayonetta that popular?

No. Anyone with brains can tell they didn't use the ballot results when choosing her.

Luckily for Nintendo a quarter of their audience are too stupid to realize, and another quarter are meme obsessed BTFOfags who don't care because they're petulant children.
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>>320756818
Diddy Kong was created by Rare and he's playable.
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>>320757174
So is DK.

Take that Sakurai haters, that's 2/57 characters!
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>>320756527
>is bayonetta that popular?
Yes. Why do you think so many were angry that it was exclusive to Wii U?
That said most people didn't pick it up on release and instead picked it up second hand resulting in paltry sales.
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>>320757318
>game about characters from predominantly chink company features predominantly characters make in chinkland

who ever would have guessed
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>>320747659
>OP: Do you think it's possible that Sakurai just saw more potential in Bayonetta?
>Sakurai: Bayonetta was the number one of the negotiable and realizable characters
yes
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>>320757645
>in America
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>Warned from day one the poll is not a poll it's a suggestion box

>People mad when it did not behave as a poll like was told to us from day one

Jesus christ.
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>>320757053
Only Fire Emblem faggots say this shit.
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>>320757174

Yeah but the two main DK characters is the maximum allowed. No more ever
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>>320757771
People wouldn't' be questioning it if he didn't lie about her 'winning' the ballot.

Shit, even if he just came up with a believable lie, like her coming in top ten in EU, USA and Jap then nobody would question it.

It's really bizarre that he felt the need to lie.
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>>320757825
>FE
>Not K.Rool or Ridleyfags who were determined to make everyone think they were popular
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>>320753256
Because Wonder Red supporters knew he didn't have a chance so they peacefully accepted that. Bayonetta supporters were doing the same because they thought she had no chance.
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>>320757973
Why do fire emblem faggots pretend that Roolers are a minority? Just look at how much support he gets uninanimously on any given website in regards to any game, he's one of nintendo's most popular characters at this point, no contest
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>>320757971
>People wouldn't' be questioning it if he didn't lie about her 'winning' the ballot.
She only won in Europe anon.
I doubt anyone in Europe outside of the people that bought a Wii U or 3DS knew of the ballot.
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>>320758228
>She only won in Europe anon.

It's funny to me that you believe that.
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>>320758216
>Just look at how much support he gets uninanimously on any given website in regards to any game
>using obscure polls as a gauge for one that was advertised by every person on Twitter and Youtube
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>>320757971
What statistic are you basing the fact that what he said was a lie off of? King K Rool winning several strawpolls on /v/? That's not exactly reliable.

Bayonetta was not number one most suggested in the worldwide ballot overall, she was number one most suggested in the worldwide ballot of the characters Sakurai and Nintendo considered within their means. There was never any statement that the ballot worked any other way than this.
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>>320758406
No, Bayonetta was always going to be in, and the ballot was a publicity stunt.

If you can't see that you're hopeless
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>>320758368
As opposed to shouting at the sky that it's a lie?
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>>320758692
It's pretty clear you're one of those faggots who won't be satisfied unless Sakurai says it from his own mouth that the ballot was a sham.
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>>320757971

Your assumption that he lied has value to no one outside of yourself dude. It's not objective, it's angry second guessing fueled by frustration.

Like, you can keep going, nobody will stop you, but it's just a fact that you're wasting your time thinking it's worth much. There is no reason to believe she didn't get in the Top 5.
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>>320758228
>She only won in Europe anon.
Which has a bigger population than both the USA and Japan.
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>>320758368
It's not unreasonable to think that anon, I reckon that a lot of European votes went straight to the American site because that's where most e-celebs were advertising for.

>>320758972
And also a lower amount of Nintendo and video game players in general.
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>>320747659
> everypoll posted on /v/

No shit
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>>320756260
Cranky Kong's better.
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>>320758912
Nigga I like Bayonetta, I'm pretty pleased she's in

I'm also not a retard, and can use my damn brain to realize A) all online polls indicated lots of other characters were more popular than her + B) she had to be planned for ages because of Pit's voice acting + C) they never released any ballot results because there was never any reliable way to fucking tally results or distinguish bot votes

But if you want to believe a blatant publicity stunt is the real deal it ain't affecting me
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>>320747659

If more organizations and companies ignored internet polls the world would be a better place honestly.
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>>320759846
>B) she had to be planned for ages because of Pit's voice acting
They voiced a minute of dialog. You could do that in a single session.
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>>320759846

Being more popular than her, again, has no value, since like Sakurai said, she was the top of realizable characters. And voice acting done for a single trainer can be wrapped up in a single afternoon, most 30 minute tv cartoons do an entire session in a day.

Never releasing results is also iffy since I'm sure they would NEVER release the results since.

1- they will probably use it for smash 5 since its free research

2- they wouldn't release it anyway to avoid salty arguing/SHIT HE ALMOST MADE IT etc.

There's just no objective way to pledge this as a publicity stunt. Specially since her game sold like shit and won't sell any better anytime soon thanks to the Wii U being on it's way out.
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>>320760169
You clearly don't understand how companies do voice work.

That's like saying they might open a whole McDonalds to make one burger. All these lines were done ages ago.
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>>320759840
>no crown to throw
>no blunderbuss to shoot out of
>no boxing gloves
>"better"

its safe to say you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>320759846
>all online polls indicated lots of other characters were more popular than her
Post invalidated.
You can't use obscure fan polls to gauge one that's widely known. Especially if they only have set choices.

>she had to be planned for ages because of Pit's voice acting
There was such a minimal amount of dialog in the trailer and the ballot was finished long before the announcement. That's more than enough time to gather the VAs and make a decent animation for the reveal.
>they never released any ballot results because there was never any reliable way to fucking tally results or distinguish bot votes
Considering the nature of the ballot I think it would be extremely easy to separate the bot votes from the real ones.

Use some common sense anon instead of getting angry that someone you liked didn't get in.
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>>320760456
It's Nintendo, they're always doing work.They don't have to build a studio. They could call in the actors and get everything set up for a minute of dialog in less than a week.
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>>320760551
Cranky Kong is more important to the DK games than K. Rool is.
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I like the additions, but I have to be in the 'somewhat confused at the poll's results' boat.

Cause even IF she was up there on the votes, I just feel she'd have been brought up more often then the others.

Again, nothing against her. Or even Corrin. I'm just utterly bewildered this character, that I only heard of once or twice, won.

And the Silent Majority bit confuses me further. You're telling me a 'Family-Friendly' Company like nintendo, had a whole bunch of kids, who apparently WEREN'T online in this day and age, vote for a character from a game rated M?

On another note, did Bayonetta even have a Smashboards thread?
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>>320760456
The ballot ended October 3rd anon.
The reveal was Tuesday.

Do you honestly think they couldn't make a short trailer in that amount of time?
I'm pretty sure a novice youtuber could do it in a week.
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>>320747659
Fucking no one cared about some mediocre villain that barely existed within the DK universe.

I forgot he was even a thing until the vocal minority of the smash ballot threads began yelling about him. He undoubtedly lost normally.
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>>320760580
>Considering the nature of the ballot I think it would be extremely easy to separate the bot votes from the real ones.

I think considering you say this it's pretty clear you're retarded. It was an internet poll with zero identification controls, you literally could not make it easier to bot for, it didn't even have a captcha.

But because you're desperate to pretend this wasn't a publicity stunt you'll believe in fantasy 'bot filters' instead of Occam' razor that a business out to make money launched a very successful marketing campaign
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>>320761096
Tell the truth anon, did you even glance at the poll when it was up?
How could you not understand how blatant a bot would be?
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>>320748327
I like that a bit, and it makes sense. Although I don't think it was fair to put in another FE character. Should have been a new Nintendo fighter from a series with less representation, like DK, Metroid, Kirby, shoot even Star Fox (which was what most were predicting with Wolf).

Oh well, at least K. Rool and others were acknowledged. I bet you they saw him climbing the polls early on and went 'nah, not exciting enough, here's a costume'.
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>>320761315
Nigga are you even making arguments anymore? You're just making stupid statements and pretending they're questions.
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>>320761516
So you're just going to confirm that you didn't then.
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>>320761651
Okay retard, have fun being angry at people who aren't dumb enough to be fooled by blatant marketing stunt
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>>320760456
Voice over actor here

I can get called in next week to do some quick work and I'll do it. So could Anthony Del Rio.
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>>320762074
It's really funny that you would call me the angry one here when you've blown your top several posts ago.
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Hey I got a question for you smash fags, why do you guys always get so serious even when just playing casually with friends, I had a friend who kept insisting we turn off items and use the omega versions of stages.
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When I bought Bayo 2, it was on clearance
Not even used, a new game. 35 bucks

Considering this latest announcement, I'd say it was money well spent
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>>320762456
I don't get it either. Usually I play without items, but I turned them on again with a friend who wasn't as good as me, and it made the match much more fun. The items in Smash 4 are pretty shitty though, at least compared to past titles.
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>>320762456
Because they find it more fun to play that.

Or maybe just ask them? I don't know why you're asking strangers on the internet why people you literally interact with in person do things. Maybe don't be an autist and conversate with them?
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>>320762456
You're getting tryhards mixed up with Smashfags.
Smashfags don't care and just play with whatever, then there's the tryhards that insist on no items, omega only to "prove their strength".

Also I would avoid the night-time /v/eekend if you don't like that because that's all you're going to get.
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I think he wanted a third party character they had easy access to. He's probably saving all the Nintendo characters for the next game. Bayo 2 being a WiiU exclusive made her an easy choice.
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>>320762776
I did ask him, and he said I won't understand. No shit, of course I won't understand if you don't tell me
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>>320763509
>My friends an asshole
>All smashfags are exactly like him
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>>320762456
Personally, I prefer omegas because usually stage hazards feel pretty stupid to be killed by. I don't mind dying to a smash attack I rolled into since that's my fault, but it feels like shit if I get launched into a randomly moving Nabbit and get dragged to my death.

As for the items, they're just not that fun. And it becomes less about playing as your character and more about using the items. The occasional smash ball is alright with me tho.
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>>320750123
but nintendo owns DKC. how is it not realistic?
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>>320760857
You have to consider that people well outside of Smash's core audience were also able to vote for characters as well, whereas fan polls generally only included core fan favorites.

Thus the poll wasn't just "popular characters that Smash fans want", but instead "popular characters in gaming" in general. Of these characters, a few who are just out of reach for Nintendo, Bayonetta was the one who was both obtainable and completely unique in playstyle.
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>"it's all fanservice from here on out"
>sakurai's idea of fanservice is issuing mii costumes for the characters people want
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>>320765232
True, true.

I guess that WOULD make more sense. Especially for those on the fence about smash. Now that the character they wanted is in, certainly can see them now wanting to buy the game.
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>>320749452
They couldnt just rehire them for that one session?
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>>320754137
>Anyways, it's the mii costume aspect: it represents disrespect.
oh jeezz, my sides became dark matter
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>>320765136
This was my issue with the argument of K. Rool supposedly being a supposed "non realizable". They owned that series and he was obviously popular enough to get a costume. This really was Sakurai doing whatever it was he wanted to do.

And I say this as a Wonder Red fan.
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>>320765136
That just means no one but the absolute minority knows who K.Rool is.
Which is understandable.
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>>320765232
Yeah but considering how little Bayonetta sold, I'm still not buying that argument. Especially because they say she was number 1 and top 5 for two markets. If anything, your point works better to explain Cloud.
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>>320765956
I don't see how sales is relevant to a character poll where any person can vote for any character they choose. I don't have to have purchased Bayonetta to have voted for her, and the same applies to any other character.
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>>320765956
Maybe 1% of Donkey Kong's fans are into K. Rool hardcore. Meanwhile, Bayonetta's charm as a character is 50% of the appeal to the series (with the rest obviously from the game's high quality.) You can't just say "this game sold more, so absolutely everything in it must be more popular." Bayonetta's a cult classic, but she's incredibly well known and popular within the game community.
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