Fuck this broken piece of shit.
>>320719607
At least you can get revenge by imagininghow tight his boiturtledragon pussy is
But he finally has decent options.
>character has been trash for 14 years
>finally gets decent
>FUCKING OP PIECE OF SHIT
Same thing happened with Ness. Git gud you enormous faggot.
Wait, what happened to Bowser recently that made him viable?
>Bowser
>Broken
>Ever
I wish.
>>320719871
His upthrow is now a HOO HAA. Its fucking broken considering how good his grab is.
>Bowser
>broken
Nope, this piece of shit on the other hand...
>>320720065
>Yoshi
>Broken
haha
>>320720065
haha
>>320719871
He can uthrow combo to kill percents from 0 it's pretty funny.
A fastfaller like Fox who's also super light is basically dead off a grab.
>>320720243
How do you do it? Explain please. I never use Bowser.
>>320720065
hooha
>>320719832
Ness is bad.
Lucas, however, is not, and will fuck you over unless you have some projectiles. rip Marth and Captain Falcon, though.
broken = character I lose to
>tfw I was deciding on coming back to smash after a about a year of not playing
>wanted to main a heavy/heavy hitter and was deciding between bowser and ike
>mfw this thread
I didn't even realize they changed anything, I thought they just added Cloud. Does anyone have a list of all the changes?
>I get grabbed constantly against an otherwise comboless character because I'm a fucking retard
nice one, OP
>>320720342
>ness
>bad
>lucas
>good
Why is /v/ so bad at video games?
>>320720465
http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_updates_(SSB4)/1.1.3_changelog
>Play Link
>Zair
>Bowser can't get near me
It's laughable had amazingly zairs shut down hueg characters.
>>320720561
Thanks breh
Is Mewtwo good now?
>>320719607
>gets shut down HARD by projectiles
>literally no safe landing options
>can be comboed for days
>broken
O-fucking-K
Is kirby's up throw a kill move now? It's all he needs to go from good to great
>>320720663
He got some buffs but he's still light and floaty as fuck
>>320720284
his upthrow got tweaked so that you can get just about any ariel you want off it at the right percent as well as usmashes at low percents.
also he can grab the ledge from a reversed up b now which is outstanding
>>320720696
>gets grabbed by bowser
>take 30% damage
>try to air dodge
>dies from smash attacks
Wow so balanced, you're basically forced to never air dodge ever and just take the hit.
>>320720891
amen.
>>320720065
Didn't he actually used to be broken at release?
>>320720284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWt_YVUjpNE
>>320721050
>airdodging
>ever
>>320721079
Jesus christ, get shit on
>>320721050
>gets grabbed by bowser
Unless you're playing a shit character and/or you're shit, the Bowser is going have to work really fucking hard to get that grab
>airdodging into your opponent
>ever
If you aren't baiting, you are fucking terrible
>>320721078
I remember in pre-stages, his Down B was able to break shields instantly.
>>320721079
>Taunting after you die
Gaaaaaaaaaaay
>>320721332
still does
>>320720663
He's alright now, feels like he's actually a glass cannon now instead of just glass
>>320720912
>Mewtwo
>Floaty
His falling speed is average, he's not floaty at all.
he's not broken, just a very simple character like everyone in this game
>>320721078
na 3ds were just shit that's why
>>320721523
does it? I haven't gotten any of mine broken when people use it. Hmm.
>>320721550
He feels floaty for some reason, maybe it's the jumps
>mfw Ganon's Dair
It's so much easier to hit with now holy shit, i'm startoing to warm up to the new Nair too
>>320721289
Bowser's grab is amazing, the range is huge & he has the best pivot grab in the game.
Is anyone else expecting Bayonetta to be the most irritating character to play against in the entire game?
Samus anygud? I loved her in Melee but she's been pretty bad in Brawl and even worse in 4.
>>320721762
Nothing is more annoying than Little Mac.
Fucking superarmor.
Bullshit
>>320721810
She's still not that great but she's way better than Brawl, at least she can kill in this game.
>>320721762
she'll either be infuriating because her moves revolve around getting off easy combos with little work
or she'll be a character that's difficult to do anything with due to the lack of hitstun and does little damage
>>320720065
Does he have recovery frames yet?
>>320721762
I honestly expect her attacks to generally deal low damage and the knockback will probably make it easy to DI out of her combos at higher percents.
People were talking about how Ryu would be way too good in this game but he's not really that amazing.
>>320721953
>He's not really that amazing
>high end of top tier
??
>>320721647
>disjointed hitboxes
>a decent projectile
I agree that his grab is fucking amazing but if the character you're playing has either of the above, the Bowser is going to have trouble getting in and grabbing someone. That's what keeps him from being broken
>all these characters getting buffs
>Wario still untouched
the thing is though, he's not bad but everything is about waft. you waft or you don't kill before 160 because you're not hitting a smash or an F-tilt ever
>>320722005
Didn't say he wasn't good, but people were really exaggerating before we actually got him, based on his presentation video. Nintendo always make them seem fucking amazing in their own videos.
If we wanna talk about some bullshit how about the fact that Mario doesn't have recovery frames on fucking anything?
>>320722142
he's really fucking good though, top 5 easily
not sure what your point is here, Bayonetta looks to have similar mechanics and made to combo, which tends to make for very good characters
>>320722142
Speaking of which, how's Cloud? I haven't played in a while, and he looks like he's just Ike with a different down B
>>320722142
Of course, because they're wailing on the opponent at all times.
>tfw your main got buffed again
>>320722104
What about his back air, gimping or throws?
>>320722219
I'm shit at this game:
How do I beat Mario ?
How do I beat Little Mac without playing ZSS ?
>>320722263
He's really fun and seems pretty good - it's more a combination of speedy and strong like Falcon combined with Mac-like properties (bad recovery but insane punish potential)
>>320722314
>Mario
Pick Link.
>LM
Use shield, grab, and any character with projectiles/good gimp.
>playing anyone other than sheik
it's like you don't take video games seriously or something
>>320722229
Again, if her knockback growth prevents her from comboing at higher percents she might not even be Sheik tier. Her smash attacks seems good but slow.
>>320722263
I like him, not a big fan of Ike but I like this mix of speed and power. Will probably main him. I'd like his fsmash to have slightly less knockback though since it's easy-ish to land and kills early. It's never as satisfying as any of his other kills.
>>320722314
Mario I don't have any really good tips against, I find him really fucking annoying. As for Little Mac, play defensively since that's probably what they are going to do too, taunt him to do a smash attack, dodge it and grab him, throw him off stage and attempt to gimp. It's usually not hard.
>>320722545
Ok thank you. Any ideas on how to gitgud ? It seems I don't shield/grab as often as I should and don't really know how to improve this.
>>320722283
Fuck I hate playing against Robin. s/he isn't even particularly good, just annoying like Sonic and Ness
>>320719832
Because ness is a shit, that faggot never deserved to be in smash in the first place
>>320722643
Nah, he/she/whatever is pretty good. Certainly flawed, but good.
How can one find his main ?
>>320722736
I dislike when people want them to remove a character's main flaw.
Literally all of them are balanced around that, although it's sometimes more crippling than others.
>>320722641
Play defensively, is gay but is the most rewarding style.
Let your oponent come. If you must attack, use your safest attack on shield/the one with the least ending lag. Short hop a lot.
When your opponent misses an attack, you predict a roll or is unable to shield, SMASH!
>>320722762
Pick random until it clicks. My Charizard did somewhat okay against a Zamus, I even took a stock!
>>320722762
You play as a character, like the character's moveset and decide to stick with it. It also helps if you like that particular character from beforehand.
Samus is shit but I still love her.
>>320722762
Play with your favorite character until you get good with them. If that doesn't work out just keep playing different characters until one "clicks" with you.
>>320720561
>Zelda gets nothing
I don't know what I expected.
>>320722762
Just try characters until you find one that sticks.
So is Dedede just never going to get anything? Do they think the "he is already perfect" joke is too good to ruin with any kind of buff?
>>320722835
>Play defensively, is gay but is the most rewarding style
I wish it felt rewarding. Nothing feels better than going hyper aggressive in a game that encourages defensive play and still win.
>>320722914
Is Zelda even that bad? My friend is really good as her. The key seems to be up tilts, up smash, a lot of that blue barrier and landing her sweetspots. She also got a decent down air, good for gimping.
>>320723106
Sadly, playing aggresive against someone competent/same skill level will end with your ass handed to you. I hate that, but is true.
>all these people claiming broken to the most casual shit ever
Im not the greatest player but holy shit git gud
>>320722263
he feels very different from Ike, more different than what Ness from Lucas would or Fox with Wolf
Most fun zoning character.
Competitively worse than ZSS in every way
Still fun, don't give a fuck and use him anyway
>>320723106
Zelda is probably one of the worst characters in the game at this point. Side-B into freefall alone plummets her potential
>Main Link since SSB
>He keeps getting buffed with each entry now with each balance patch
>tfw second hit of F-Smash has a fucking lot of hitstun and has more growth knockback
>tfw salty people counterpick Link against me
>All they do is throw projectiles, all I do is bombslide my way to victory
Being a Link main is ao rewarding now
>>320723278
>tfw hitting opponent with 2 bombs at the same time
best projectiles
>>320723250
I know. One of my friends usually play recklessly and so do I whenever I fight him and our matches are the most fun I have. Now if only for glory shitters played like that and didn't care that much about the win.
Another friend has a good mix of offense and defense, but leaning mostly towards defense since he knows to not use the attacks that leaves him open if he misses and he constantly do the fake dash thing that so many do, where you stop halfway and either roll back or short hopp->back air. It feels good beating him but he makes me rage hard. I usually do a lot better once I realize I am the one that usually pursues, so I stop running directly into smash attacks.
>>320723086
He might, they buff characters in sets from what I've seen.
>>320723443
They also buffed Dsmash, grounded Spin attack and Fair :)
>Mewtwo buffed
>Marth buffed
>Dorf buffed
Thanks Samurai
>>320720891
Yes it is. Kills about 140% on Medium weight i'd say. Factor in rage and its even better.
They actually gave it a KBG boost this patch.
Here's some of his patch notes. Note sure if you understand them or not but here anyway.
>Ground run speed increased
>F-Smash (all angles)
Early Hit KBG 99 -> 100
Late Hit KBG 66 -> 67
U-Smash
Early Hit KBG 102 -> 103
Middle Hit KBG 96 -> 97
Late hit KBG 50 -> 51
>D-Smash
KBG 108 -> 109
>Fair
Hit 3 KBG 145 -> 148
Hitlag modifier 1.0x -> 1.2x
>Bair
Early Hit KBG 102 -> 104
Late Hit KBG 110 -> 112
>U-throw
KBG 63 -> 74
>>320723818
I think the dancing blade buff (which is the only buff Marth received) is an extremely minor change, but it's nice I guess.
Then again, I don't think Marth is as bad as most people do, other than being super easily gimped.
Wii Fit main 4 life
>>320721762
Its going to take Bayonetta literally years to get kills off, or she will always be reduced to needing a well placed Smash attack to ever get a kill. Also, her combos being "slow to start", plus every move she has being able to be turned into a three hit combo by continuing to press the button, means that EVERY move she has will be where the first hit is slow, and everything else is either normal or fast speed.
So imagine a character with no kill moves, and every move they have can be interrupted. It really seems like you need to either start attacking from a distance so your second hits are what start combos, or trigger witch time to get a accurate combo off. Also, I don't know how well her air combos will be in Super "infinite airdodges" Smash Bros 4. Overall, I feel like she is going to be trash tourney wise, even below someone like Ganondorf.
>>320722263
going from cloud to other characters makes me angry because i wish every single one of them was as fast as he is
he is a legitimately fun to play character, cloud mirrors are amazing and the ffvii music is all i have ever wanted in life
i know it's just 2 songs, but then there is basically like 2 songs you actually like per stage in this game unless your favorite series was lucky enough to get mostly original tracks and not a bunch of shit remixes.
>>320722620
>she might not even be Sheik tier.
Your benchmarks for what's good are really weird
>everyone out there says to DI from a KO you do the perpendicular direction
>about to KO from the left
>point the stick downwards
>die without red lightning
>same situation
>don't point down
>live
So is everyone wrong or am I doing something wrong
>>320724780
So let's say, hypothetically, that Sakurai views combos not as a thing the combat system should inherently allow, but as a "novelty", just a gimmick that can only be applied to characters he thinks "should" do combos, like Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta, because they are from games with combos and as we all know, Melee didn't happen according to him so Smash isn't a "combo fighter" to him, just to literally everyone else
tl;dr Bayonetta will probably be like Cloud in that she does tons of damage very fast because fuck balance, with the combos being intentionally emphasized as her 'gimmick', as opposed to giving every other character real combos.
his idea of "powerful" in this game is clearly very different from a normal fan's.
>Ganondorf player does a successful flame choke
>Never dodges my sweep counter attack
Every time
>>320720065
>almost no endlag in aerials
You're so fucking right.
>>320725324
>Cloud
>combo-focused character
His amount of combo strings is below average. He does not even have anything to do after grabbing a person besides down grab and side b at very low damage percentages.
>implying that no other characters besides Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta can combo
You have clearly never played against a good Sheik, ZSS, Mario, or some others.
Is this bait or Meleefag autism?
>>320724780
Pretty much what I think too. Which worries me since she has been my number one wish since they announced Bayo 2. Actually, I've wanted her since I played the original on xbox.
>>320725673
yeah dunno why'd he mention Cloud as a combo character, his longest combo is uptilt, uptilt, up air which is like every other character's combo too. Cloud is all about punishing and fast aerials (aside from fair)
the only broken thing about bowser now is his hoo hah (koo-pa? i dunno) since it kills at around 100% minimum and he has a good grab range, especially pivot grabs
the uthrow change was a very welcome buff as well as grounded side-b speedup but he's still bowser. he gets comboed to hell and back and has difficulty approaching anyone with a projectile, even with flame breath breaking most of them.
>>320725673
he has almost no endlag whatsoever and he moves crazy fast. his moves can all be chained together and he is hard to approach with a lot of characters simply because his range is enormous and he has tools for pretty much every situation. Limits come easy and often and you can charge it in midair to get his high Up-b and mitigate his bad recovery.
I'm not saying combos like continuous hits very fast, but rather that he can kick you around the stage easily and leave you very few chances to retaliate if any as the fucking huge sword hitbox whacks you about freely dealing huge damage with no endlag
>tfw lose 90% of the time
>tfw hate playing the game
>tfw can't stop playing
>>320725324
Just about every character in smash has a real combo or two. The difference is that Bayonetta's gimmick is probably going to be "work harder for what everyone else gets easier."
Example:
Character A: Grab, down throw for 5%, followed by Up Smash for 12%, making a true combo for 17%.
Meanwhile for Bayonetta: Neutral attack for 2%, added gun shots at end for 2%, second Neutral attack for 2%, added gun shots at end for 2%, final Neutral attack for 2%, ending with added gun shots for 2%. Totalling to all that work for 12%, when another character had a basic combo throw into smash for 17%. But since everything she has combos into everything else, you could keep adding in attacks making you air juggle, but by the time you reach 17%, you land with extra landing lag (the higher she goes, the more landing lag she gets when she lands), only to have the enemy land and probably hurt you bad or even take the stock.
Basically Sakurai likes to have "doing combos" as a gimmick, but when he does it, he makes them doing combos as needing to actually make a difference. She seems like she is going to be a lot of work for not much reward back, while there are easier characters to use.
>>320721550
He has shit gravity though. HOWEVER, I feel that adds to his playstyle.
>>320725853
Yeah, it's always sad when a Fox and a Bowser meet.
How do smash players feel about this game
>>320726005
>almost no endlag whatsoever
That's just not true. His Fsmash and Fair are both laggy in the beginning and end, and I am pretty sure his Bair has endlag too. As another anon said, his longest possible combo is two up-tilts and an uair. In fact I think all of his aerials but has nair have some length of endlag. Anything else he tries to do can be avoided out of. A lot of his attacks are relatively slow
>enormous range
Except for the fact that Link actually has longer range than him, somehow, and Ike's range matches him.
>tools for pretty much every situation
Besides the fact that his projectile is terrible and most of the time you won't have enough Limit charge to save you in midair should you get through off. The down b charge is very slow.
You need to play against more Clouds, man.
>>320726353
>all those clouds that waste their limit break on neutral B as soon as they charge the limit break
i honestly expected most to try and abuse the fuck out of the down b limit break but i guess
>1%
threw a lot of the shitters away from it
>>320725196
DI towards the perpendicular direction when you get launched vertically
DI towards the stage when you get launched horizontally
Thoughts?
>>320726353
the Limit gauge still charges for a second after canceling the animation so there is that. I see it a lot online, you can quickly down B and get almost a second of charging while moving freely
>>320726562
The down b limit break is very difficult to hit on a smart player. Most people get super defensive once limit break is charged and the down b can be easily shielded or dodged. And once you do so, there is a lot of endlag and the Cloud can be punished. It's also not super instant like Mac's instakilling punch.
>>320726632
See, that's what I figured, but people kept saying I was doing wrong when I did that.
>>320726562
I don't know, I met a few Cloud players who would only fight you until 60% and then literally do nothing but wait for an opportunity to use finishing touch. For like 6 matches. Once I decided to just throw him off stage and force him to waste the limit on recovery he had literally nothing to do because he had only practiced that one shit cheap move and ragequit after being wrecked by my samus a couple of times.
I don't know why people fall on these crutches with characters that actually have a lot of decent options. Toon Link and projectile spam is another example. It's like they hate having fun.
>tough guy will never be relevant
>>320726632
go look up videos about DI and vectoring in tr4sh
>>320726840
they literally only care about winning, if they can't win at a children's party game their life is invalidated
theres's shitters like that in every fighting game, you get used to curbstomping them
>>320726749
I also forgot to mention that if you hit the back slash in the spin it has a lot less KO potential. You need to hit with the first slash to KO at low percentages.
So yeah, really not that much of a crutch against smart players.
>>320726562
It's super slow, you'd be better off using it midair and praying your opponent doesn't have a Up Air kill move.
>heavies finally get some decent combos
>WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH NEVER EVER NERF NERF NERF KILL KILL
fuck OFF shitters
>>320720065
I wonder what his endlagging aerials would smell like. Just curious haha
>>320726853
it lets him be basically immune to a lot of rapid jabs but any competent person would just not use those against bowser if possible
i giggle every time a fox tries to rapid jab me and i just dtilt him for kill
>>320727038
>lot of damage with every hurt
>high KO potential
>Bowser is one that's not even that slow movement-wise compared to other heavies
>gets his own Hoo-Ha on top of it all
Heavies should not be able to combo well given the damage their hits give off.
>>320719689
Or not? OP would probably rather not fap to bowser because he's mad at a bowser online
>>320726701
Not fun to play as or to fight against, easily the most boring 3rd party character in the series
>>320727018
>>320726749
>slow and punishable
>mac's KO punch is near instant and unblockable
>>320727141
I will forward-B you off a cliff.
>>320727175
Most of the third parties are shit to fight against. Megaman players just spam their projectiles all day long, same with Pacman players. Sonic is just an annoyance overall. Ryu is slightly annoying.
>>320727238
Don't forget the fact that Cloud's can only KO after like, 55%, whereas if you even have 2% on you Mac's will kill you unless you're a super fatty.
>>320727286
Megaman's entire moveset is projectiles, retard
>>320727282
And then you'll die first. GG.
>>320719607
>Haha, heavy characters will never be strong. :^)
>W-Why is a heavy character suddenly strong?????
>THIS ISN'T HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. M-MUH SHEIK SHOULD BE INSTAGIBBING THIS FAT FUCK.
>FUCKING OP BROKEN CHEATERS.
Laughing my ass off.
>>320727282
You lose a stock and your opponent has a chance to recover. Bowsercide has been dead for ages.
>>320727350
And that changes the fact that they are the opposite of fun to fight against how? Fuck off. That's not even true because a smart Megaman will start using stuff like the Fair, up-tilt, and other non projectile moves to KO you.
>>320727286
>megaman players just spam their projectiles all day long
gee maybe that's because it's half his moveset
his non-projectile moves are all pretty beastly at least, point blank lemons will never not feel good
>>320727353
>imblyign it'd be my last stock
>>320727410
It works against certain characters.
>>320719607
AT LEAST HE'S ACTUALLY IN THE GAME
>>320726632
>>320726749
>>320727016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdyVK1aDtg
>>320727456
>implying you'd even land it unless I let you because you have higher damage and it is your last stock
It's really easy to predict when you guys are going to use it.
>>320727446
>>320727441
>>320727441
smash 4 is the opposite of fun ;^)
>>320727286
Finishing touch get the benefit of being available more often than KO punch, and it hits in front, above and behind him. And it's not THAT slow, in this game where punishing is everything it's plenty useful.
Also yeah what's up with pacman players, he has like one projectile move and all people do is spam them and the key. I like playing as pacman but I try to have some fun with him.
>>320727463
>gen 2 shiny Charizard looks somewhat like Ridley
>even Ridley is more playable than K Shit
Hehe
>>320727531
no it changes that fact that it's spam when that's gonna be his main option throughout most of the fight
unless they're an idiot and keep using crash/blade over and over without rhyme or reason or using fsmash more than once in a blue moon, then that's spam
>>320727286
At least there's a chance of coming across a Megaman and Pacman that does some cool shit, every fucking Sonic does the same shit. Run around, spin dash (either doing it right away or holding it while jump), dash grab into up throw into up-b into Up-Air, D-air if the opponent is offstage, every fucking Sonic plays like this and you can't blame the player because he's just that incredibly boring
>>320727531
>implying I'd just spam it the whole game
pls
>garbage at the game
>only win when I play other garbage players and I'm using Little Mac
Who /badatvideogames/ here?
>>320727719
Actually you can blame the player for actually playing as him. They're boring people and it's not like Sonic is a likeable character.
>>320726026
Why are you assuming Bayo can't do a throw to a smash or some other follow up?
Also following up every combo hit with the guns is gonna fuck you up, gotta mix it up for some mindgames and extra % here and there
>>320727592
>hits behind him
Irrelevant because the KO potential goes to shit on the behind hit.
And it really is punishable. You can shield the second it is being being used and it will work, or dodge because the behind attack happens too soon to interfere with the dodge. The endlag after is more than enough to punish.
>>320727680
What you describe is literally what 95% of Megaman players do.
>>320727721
It's what almost every Bowser does so
>>320720473
Considering how broken the grab mechanics are in Smash 4, my past self would be inclined to rage and say that it's unfair, but the truth is simple.
Don't fucking get grabbed.
>>320727238
Little Mac literally can't recover though. That's his gimmick.
>>320722104
Fuck u
Samus needs buffs
Life is pain
>like the buffs
>get motivated to play
>remember how slow paced and campy the game was
With these buffs and the patch that increased shield stun is the game more fun to play? Or will I have to resort to grabbing and reading rolls and spot dodges until I get enough % to throw or smash someone off the stage with the occasional gimp.
I haven't played since they announced mewtwo.
>>320727790
>I'm good enough to beat tournament players, just not at their main/secondaries
>I intentionally use characters they complain about being bad when they get beaten as them, (E.G. Dr. Mario), to do so
>>320727901
Almost every Sm4sh player is a spammy autist. So?
>>320727901
and you can easily shit on those megaman players because they don't know what they're doing if they're doing what they describe, much like most people who play smash anyway
the main part of megaman's moveset is going to be his pellets and anyone who says otherwise doesn't play megaman
>>320728063
You'd be surprised by the shit I've seen Macfags come back from. Shit they should not be able to. On a flat-sided stage they can wall jump and up-b back onto the stage from fairly deep down.
>>320728141
With characters like Megaman, Dick Cunt, and Links being the frontier of that.
>>320728123
for glory is still shit, the game is worthless if you don't have friends to play it with (assuming they're not shitters)
>>320726179
Hate the artstyle.
>>320726840
>I don't know, I met a few Cloud players who would only fight you until 60% and then literally do nothing
This is the only thing I saw Cloud players do on For Glory.
what do you guys think of pikachu
>friend is a tryhard shitter who typically spams whatever string of hits he saw on some tutorial video
>spams spikes at every single possible opportunity, even if youre nowhere near him or youre at 0%
>cool guy but in smash he gets salty fast as fuck
>makes the characters he regularly uses feel annoying as fuck even when its no longer him using them
i try not to care about using the same characters as my friends but holy shit i dont think i can touch cloud as long as he uses him
>>320728336
>try to play with friends
>they are total Johns the whole time, not with controllers but making up bullshit reasons as to why the mid-low tier characters I play as are obviously top tier
>>320728336
fucking hell
I got this game as a gift so I'll feel like shit selling it but nobody where I lives plays fighters let alone games besides NBA2k
The game is sitting there and I just want a reason to switch on my WiiU after playing xenoblade.
>>320726840
Toon Link is fun to run around as and his stage is a lot of fun but goddamn, playing against him online is like distilled essence of Unfun
>>320728123
It really depends on the character you play, it did fuck all for some and wonders for others. Personally, I think this game is turning out to be "pay to actually have fun" since almost all of the DLC characters don't rely too much on grabs and have neat playstyles
>>320728270
I haven't played the others as much, but Duck Hunt's only way to win is by using B and lateral-B. Up-A is pretty good, but requires a setup or a non-Qform course. I'd love to see Duck Hunt get a buff for his non-spammy moves in speed so he becomes more than a gimmick. Won't happen, though. His playstyle would be bad for the game's popularity if viable.
>>320728456
Really good, top 10 for sure.
Name one character who just gets fucked every single patch.
GIVE ME SOMETHING TO WORK WITH HACKURAI
>>320728456
It's the small yellow rat, that really tries its best not to kill anyone. It doesn't want to get hit either though.
>>320728543
Agreed. Omega mode stages really encourage projectile spam too. A toon link can stand in a corner spamming projectiles forever, he can literally be a wall of bombs and arrows, you are forced to approach through it with careful shielding and jumps and he's usually waiting with a smash attack because in SM4SH you're not supposed to make the first move. you can still win but have to work so much harder for it.
now if omega mode just had fucking PLATFORMS like battlefield then you could just hop up onto it and then the shitter would have no choice but to actually approach you himself.
>>320728117
What would Samus need changed about her kit to give her a better chance?
Kill throw? Bigger hit-boxes? Able to cancel her missiles?
>>320728505
>friend spams spikes and proclaims every time that he hits with the non-spiking part that it should have spiked
>says "(character) never dies" proudly whenever he survives a strong hit
>throws out more flare blitz than anyone ever should and often goes the wrong way (offstage) and then says he didnt press that button
>uses ness/lucas and fucks up the recovery and blames his controller
>spams lucas' fuck ass up smash
god damn listing all of this is making me hate him
>>320728691
At least you got a faster grab, this nigga got fucking nothing of worth. My smashes slow as fuck, my side B slow as fuck, my bucket slow as fuck. Why is a character whose whole gimmick revolves around have quick janky movements have such slow moves?
>tfwSonic main
Should I commit suicide?
>>320728519
there's plenty of good games on wii u, you just need to look for them
>that buffed Ganondorf dair
>>320728691
Pacman should receive the lucas grab buffs, but otherwise he's fine.
>>320728868
Stuff like this is why I prefer For Glory over playing with friends. Because then at least you don't have to hear the shit.
Now if I had some good friends to play with, it would be different.
>>320728898
His smashes come out fast as fuck, what are you talking about?
>>320728832
I don't know why it would be difficult to ask for a BF mode, then again he might see it as redundant when there are already so many BF stages.
>>320728691
i love pacman and doing shit with the items and hydrant but that FUCKING grab kills it and he doesnt seem to have anything really decent about him other than camping with fruit/hydrant and how fast you can act out of dash attacki dont camp but whenever i use pacman or villager 3 out of the 5 people i regularly play with will hunt me down in our free-for-alls because they hate the hydrant and slingshot so much
>>320728691
>those slow and not really powerful smash attacks
>the hydrant being virtually useless since everyone expects it
>only good aerial move is neutral air
>grab is slow and retarded and leaves you extremely open
>your only decent killmoves is the boring ass key or, if you're lucky enough to hit it, a charged side b
Okay I'm exaggerating wildly here but compared to my other mains I have to work a lot harder as pac unless I want to resort to projectile spam
>>320728898
He is pretty good in project M.
>>320728906
I mean I won't tell you to walk off that bridge, but I certainly won't stop you
>>320729070
>F-smash frame 17
>U-smash frame 24
>D-smash frame 15
They aren't really that fast.
>>320729070
They end quickly, the startup on each of them is fairly slow
>>320729138
If only he was that good in the official games
>>320729194
I think he should just get the turtle to be a kill move again.
>>320729151
I just want to go fast. I'd probably main Knuckles if he ever got in though.
>>320720342
>http://www.ssbwiki.com/List_of_updates_(SSB4)/1.1.3_changelog
what happened to falcon?
>>320719607
>TR4SH babies talking about "broken shit" and gameplay mechanics
ahha
hahahah
Haah
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAJAHHA
FUCKING KEK
WHATS THE MATTER? ARE 50 APM TO MUCH FOR YOU?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>320728691
What? Are you saying Pac-Man isn't balanced? He's one of the characters that's completely fine.
>>320729226
Project M is the only thing that should matter, its the most balanced smash of all the smash games.
>>320729015
>tfw college student with non-whiny friends, some of which play at the tournament level, when I don't
>amongst the 5+ of us, only two main the same character
>2 of us, including me, have a collection of Amiibo
>>320728959
I own all of them but the mario games because I'm not a big fan of mario. They just don't have much replay value.
Only smash,splatoon and mk8 has lots of replay value.
>>320729413
fair enough
you picked up fast racing neo?
>>320729413
Mario Maker has replay value.
>>320728862
A better up smash that isn't interrupted by most down aerials or that actually connects to the final hit
A dash attack that doesn't miss for the first half of it
Give back her old neutral air, Mario still has his so why not her??
Make fsmash have slightly longer reach and hit even if you are very close
Make her grab slightly faster
>>320729407
If we're being totally honest the character balance isn't any better than Smash 4's.
>>320729412
>two main the same character
My friends are literally the worst it can get because
>they claim characters in every game that no one else can use
>it would not be too bad if not for the fact that one claimed 3/4 of the Smash roster
Thankfully they don't like the ones I like to use, except maybe two or three
I played the demo like a year ago and Megaman was fun. How good is he?
>>320729610
Too bad no one cares about sm4sh.
PM would be the number one smash game if it wasnt for nintendo lawsuits ruining it because it is a huge threat to sm4sh existance.
>>320727652
At least K. Rool got a Mii costume. All Ridley has is a model that's even worse than the one in MOM and complete OOC because of Sakurai's idiocy.
>>320729654
He's not bad, he has potential but he needs dedication & Sheik kind of murders him.
>>320729632
>claiming characters
just play as the same character jesus fucking christ
>>320729691
>PM would be the number one smash game
>always had the lowest amount of tournament participants
>irrelevant everywhere before it got shut down
Delusion is real
>>320729632
How old are you and your friends and if you guys are older than college age why the fuck are you friends with these morons.
>>320729791
I'm 18 and they are all older than me.
I don't hang out with them much anymore.
>>320729075
Nips's scene =/= Amerifat's scene
There's a good reason anyone with a brain will tell you to play smash ladder instead of FG
>>320728456
>picks lucas
heh, say goodbye to your neutral game, nothin personnel kid
>>320729632
Do they not know how fun ditto's are?
Fuck man, it's amazing going against a fellow Metaknight and going for the ultimate glory.
>>320729865
I was a pissy smash player when I was 19 so I can't really talk. I get super salty online but if my buddy beats me I don't get salty anymore, even if I do die to nabbit on my last stock... (I just turned 27)
>>320729467
No I should to be honest but I watch people struggle to get the online working and generally have a bad time online it kinda swayed me from purchasing it.
>>320729486
>i'm not a big fan of Mario
What did anon mean by this?
>>320728519
whats your region?
>>320729632
as far as i know none of my friends care if anyone uses the same character, although i dont having the same mains (i try not to care but i hate repeated mirror matches) so i usually gravitate towards characters that are harder or tricky to use
>>320730094
burger east coast
>>320729774
It got more participants then slow ass brawl.
>>320730030
well online isn't the only part of it (though it will be once it's fixed and has actual speed tier selection)
the offline is kinda barebones, much like f-zero and x were. you can only replay the same tracks so much against AI before they get dull
if you're a fanatic for speed and getting the best times then you're gonna love it. hero mode is a nice gimmick mode to play around with but it not being available online is sad
also rubberbanding is crazy high and there's no options menu
>>320730246
>trying to say PM is the most relevant by comparing it to Brawl
Doesn't change the fact that Melee and Sm4sh have (or had since M is dead) a lot more participants.
does anyone else get annoyed by the sheer number of people freaking out with excitement over bayonetta getting in, and when asked havent touched either of her games at all? i dont know what it is about her that attracts so many people that know nothing about her
>>320730236
I live in new england. I'm pretty rusty in smash since I went to rivals of aether for a bit, but rivals netcode is trash so I'm probably going to get back into smash. Add me on steam if you wanna play
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ganoniroth/
>>320729984
>mfw Ryu ditto
Who else has spent the last couple of days up-airing Clouds into deep space? Damn it's nice when your main gets buffed.
>>320728691
I can name a few:
>Pac-Man
>Mr. Game and Watch
>Zelda
Since there's two more characters coming up, I'm hoping at least one of them gets buffed in the next patch.
>>320730550
has the flood of for glory clouds died down at all yet? i dont remember the floods of mewtwo or ryu/lucas lasting more than a few days, dont remember about roy though
>>320730703
Once people realized how early Roy could kill with a simple fsmash there was a flood and it lasted a good while
>>320730550
>Stick with Bowser and DK because heavies are just 2fun
>They both get significant buffs over time
This might actually be the most viable heavy characters have been yet
>>320730550
bowser's a fairly recent secondary (as in a few months old) and i've been loving the buffs
i feel a hoo hah is a little much though with how early it kills
>>320730456
I don't own steam and while I do appreciate the offer I don't know if a kind anon that wants to spar will be enough of a motivation to plop this game in again
>>320730703
Counting today like 80% of my matches have still been Cloud.
>>320730813
Even stronger than Brawl Dedede?
>>320730819
>hoo hah
it's KOO PAH
someone make an early tourney. but dont be retarded like the op from the tourney 2 days ago and make it 24 hours. jesus christ.
>>320730813
Nah that's Snake, and i'd argue Brawl DDD is more viable too.
>>320728862
Missle canceling would be amazing
But i mostly want attacks that dont constantly whiff
>>320730952
and if i said that people would have ripped into me for saying koo-pa
>>320730863
shit, i was actually interested in learning himand not to spam his f smash and finishing touch or whatever the down+b limit break is calledbut if thats the case i would rather just practice fucking cloud with my other characters
>>320730798
i figured thats why he lasted so much longer, since mewtwo was ass (and i assume still is), lucas is weird to use, and ryu requires precision
>>320719832
>decent
The only thing he's decent at is being low tier. He ain't bottom tier anymore, but he's far far away from the top.
>>320731090
Don't let that stop you, how about doing as you said and actually git gud with him and show the shitters online how to actually play as Cloud?
>>320730892
>>320731029
My memory of Brawl is shaky. Dedede had crazy chaingrab potential, didn't he?
I also totally forgot how heavy Snake was
LOL i cant believe i actually saw the day when ppl actually say bowser is a broken character is this guy for real i honestly hope not.
>>320731260
Yeah DDD had a retarded D-throw, also i think Snake was like the 5th heaviest in the game.
I hope Jigglypuff gets some buffs.
>>320731258
im assuming being able to reliably recover already makes me better than most of the for glory clouds
i might go for it anyway, i was hoping my friend wouldnt stick with him but i noticed if he ever gets gimped as cloud he almost immediately switches characters
>>320722641
Learn to combo, watch videos
I like to play one vs one against 1 lvl 9 with auto handicap, random omega and no items. That means if I win, I start with 20% more dmg the next round, my record is 120% with SZZ. I like to train that way, makes it hard
bowser's one of my go-tos in this game, but this new guaranteed combo/kill throw they gave him feels pretty fucking abusive
bowser as a whole still isn't busted or even great; he needed better rewards from a grab (higher kill power back throw, more damage down throw, maybe even set up a tech chase) and still needs recovery frames shaved off landed aerials, but this reworked up-throw is pretty fucking crazy
>>320721349
I taunt if I find the way they killed me as especially impressive. Like as a way to say "Wow that was cool" which is clearly what the person in this video did. Seems like a pretty obvious thing, maybe you're just kinda dumb.
>>320730550
>nearly all my matches in 1 v 1 are Clouds
>go to team battles for a Cloud break
>Cloud and I vs. 2 Clouds
I'm glad my main got buffed but jesus this needs to end.
You can go and play ppl on anthers ladder there are a lot of actually good players there on ranked
>>320723278
>Even using best color.
You are my friendo.
>>320731458
i think snake was 3rd heaviest
pretty fucking crazy but he was also real sluggish with a 9 frame jump squat
>>320726026
I dunno, the other heavy combo character is Ryu, and he has 40% combos and hit confirms into kill moves at 80%
>>320732116
>mfw Snake was heavier than fucking DDD
Brawl balance was so retarded
>>320719607
>tfw Kirby main
>die at 30% from bowsers side smash
>now he had a throw combo to kill me at like 40%
>bowser got other buffs as well
life is suffering. atleast Kirby got a buff though. I might just start playing my secondary robin more instead. I can't stand bowsers in this game, I just can't figure out how to work around him.
>>320727286
KO punch doesn't kill until like 30%
>>320719607
> Bowser being broken
You must only play with people that throw smash attacks at random, and be the kind of retard that actually falls for them
