lol is superior to this trash, tryhard game.
>>320704141
6.86 is literally league though. aren't they on par?
>>320704141
>2015
>Not playing Heroes of the Storm.
Do you not like team driven MOBAs?
>>320704141
>my shit tastes better than other guy's shit
>>320704181
this
DotA 2 is pretty much League at this point
>>320704249
it's not even like there's anything wrong with mobas. they problem is the average community in these games. but it's not like any other genre can brag about quality communities either.
>>320704237
No, I don't.
I like DotA because of all the assfaggots, it's the only one where you can be good enough to carry four shitters.
>>320704270
>HOOK
>HAHA FRESH MEAT
>DISMEMBER
>CHAKRA MAGIC
>HOOK
>HAHA FRESH MEAT
>HOOK IMMEDIATELY
>HAHA FRESH MEAT
>2000 damage within 5 seconds 14m in with an aghs
epic!
>>320704270
>Invoker now starts at Level 2 by default
haha!
>>320704270
game isn't even remotely dota anymore.
roam and rape the shit out of midlane from 3m onwards.
midlane is expected to act like an offlaner now.
deathball from 8m onwards.
take out all tier 2 towers by 14m.
win game.
lost your lane? not gonna get stacks anymore because ayy magic resistance.
enjoy cleave meta with no way for nukers to catch up!
>>320704141
>lol is superior to this trash, tryhard game.
I think you mean "笑是优于这个垃圾桶,tryhard游戏。"
>>320704645
>Thread starts with mentioning Dota
>Civilized discussion about Dota
>Thread starts with mentioning LoL
>Shitposting about Dota
Why?
>>320704747
well it used to be the case where league simply wasn't worth talking about.
but now neither is defense of the legends.
gib me snowballs pls.
http://giftsofsnowdown.com/?s=Xlmw9W3
>>320704270
>>320704181
>picking up good ideas from league is a bad thing
I really wish they would add a proper ping function like in league/hots.
also more support to quickcasting. You can't even cast spells on yourself while quick casting, that thing should be changeble from double tapping. also being able to see the ranges while holding down keys
stats about how much damage/heal/etc the heroes did through the match would be cool
and things like that
but I guess that would
>>320704603
people somehow always forget that wc3 dota constantly got game changing updates like these, but because of Valve's lazyness now everyone thinks that dota is some never changing game that should always stay in this state.
>>320705036
>people somehow always forget that wc3 dota constantly got game changing updates like these
No. Not like these changes. Not to mention they didn't actually address any of the issues with 6.85
>>320705036
>also being able to see the ranges while holding down keys
Do you know that some abilities don't have that intentionally, like if you go over the max range of Blink Dagger it punishes you by decreasing blink distance.
>lol player's '''''''''''''''bait''''''''''''''''
Gee I wonder why when I play it people are more focused on talking and throwing ebin memes instead of going for turrets and inhibitors then throw the fucking game.
Anyway how is Dota 2 now? I stopped playing after 6.82
How do you even play Doom this patch onwards
Can't pop linkens without sacrificing good auras from Devour
And his right click is horrible. 2.0
TWO
POINT
ZERO
Base attack time. The slowest in the game. On top of his shitty attack animation
Also that 25% increase on his ult's cooldown.
I'm suprised they didn't outright delete him if they hated this hero that much
>>320705320
>obviously I have to calculate 800 yards or whatever
>>320704984
> because league is shit that means dota is shit.
Heh.
>>320705490
can you read or are you just pretending to be braindead?
>>320705373
Doom has always been trash m8.
>Try LoL
>Get bored in the tutorial
Where is the appeal
>>320705658
You get to bait dota players in threads like this
Source: 1006 wins in lol
>>320705439
The change was made so just getting the fuck out of there to gain distance with blink was nerfed but being able to blink to a specific position is the same
Dota 2 has been slowly turning into League for like 2 years now though.
>>320705118
Not that guy but YES like these changes. The transformation that DotA's gone through have been absurd. Believe me, I used to play the WC3 Reign of Chaos version of DotA, almost completely unrecognizable from Allstars. RoC version doesn't even give you gold per second, there's no teleport scrolls, you can only go up to level 10, all the heroes are different, all the items are different, there's no backdoor protection, there's no wards, there's no courier, I could keep going on forever.
>>320705373
Infernal Blade is OP.
>>320705320
could you tell me what's the point of these?
this game should be about precise decision makings not about fighting the controls.
other things like not seeing the mana bars of your enemies only if you click them or the interface hiding 1/4 of the screen, these are just needless bullshit that doesn't add any interesting depth just makes the controls tedious. They could just as well remove every hotkey so you had to click on the icons manually before selecting a target.
These are just shitty design decisions that try to make the game look more complex with making the game harder to used to.
>>320705036
WC3 Dota is just "add existing hero with existing abilities, change balance, take a break"
Now they have to fuck around with engine, work with client, make concept art for a hero, make a hero and his abilities, get voice actor, change balance, make hats, sometimes fix problems on their end with custom games, fuck with engine again. They don't have a team of 70 people anymore to update game frequently like in Beta.
>>320704141
I'll hve you know dota is the most complex game in the world and i'm such a special little snowflake for playing it, even though i wouldn't ever even reach skill cap in LoL i am automatically superior because i play an overcomplicated game
I am superior.
>>320704354
> pudge is so good guys
Said nobody of worth, ever
>>320706057
>because i play an overcomplicated game
>>320705781
>tfw you can't even quick cast blink because you have to be able to double tap it.
why can't volvo just add an option to change double tapping to other keys like in league?
no, instead they give this option to toogle autocast for that like 5 fucking skills that need this.
>>320706126
>1600 range hooks that deal 500 pure damage on a 4 second cooldown
yeah he's shit
>>320705917
>this game should be about precise decision makings
You have to be precise when you decide where exactly should you blink in order to get the full range
>>320706159
In Dota, nothing abides by categorical rules, everything is different, mechanics aren't limited. It's unnecessarily complex.
>>320706216
desu they're all either fun or are just useful
>>320705956
don't even try to defend valve
they were releasing new heroes in dota2 alpha like every 2 weeks. It doesn't take a fucking year to model/animate/voice a low poly model, it takes a 3 days and a 1-2 week further fixing/polishing.
>>320706194
>tfw avoiding krokodainer party in Russian channel, so I won't be remembered for being bad at something
>>320706193
he is
he is too snowball reliant to be a decent pick aside from normals and Dendi
>>320706339
The game has like 111 heroes now. Porting free heroes obviously isn't a priority anymore.
MOBA in general is shit
You are all faggots for even knowing so much about shit instead of throwing it in the trash bin where it belongs
>>320706419
>parity with wc3 dota isn't a priority anymore
good to know they've abandoned their primary goal then
>>320706426
1v1 me in CoD then motherfucker you think you're so tough?
Xbox live gamertag xXBERNIE2016Xx
>>320706426
I do not understand what people hope to accomplish when they make posts like this
Discussion of MOBAS obviously isn't going to go away because you called us faggots. This isn't elementary school.
>>320706426
>>320706193
I don't know what to tell you. Pudge is a bad hero and you play in a bad tier.
>>320706318
yeah there are maybe certain heroes that have obtuse abilities, but most heroes have kits that are conceptually easy to understand once you get the main concepts of the game
unless you're a retard
>>320704141
it is, because it's more fun
you can either get fucking mad and pissed at dota or you can have fun at lol because how easy to understand it is
>>320704747
>Thread starts mentioning dota
>dotards implying how superior their game is
>thread starts mentioning lol
>dotards implying how superior their game is
here i fixed that
>>320706727
It's an abstract as fuck goal
Think about it in terms of game development. It's stupid to port all the heroes for the sake of porting all the heroes.
>>320708328
Why is that stupid? It's the most logical thing they could be doing right now
It's not an abstract as fuck goal. the mod has heroes that dota 2 doesn't have yet. Their priority should be to port these.
>>320709650
>Why is that stupid? It's the most logical thing they could be doing right now
How is it the most logical thing to do if heroes are free? Valve is a business. The game doesn't suffer from having a lack of heroes anymore.
>>320709650
>>320709790
Also, there's only ONE hero as of now that needs to be ported for full hero parity. That's Pit Lord.
>>320709790
...You realize their main source of income is from items they don't make? They're community-made.
This leaves Valve with plenty of time to port the heroes. It takes like a week per hero at most, two if they want to be thorough.
>>320704141
>2015
>being an assfaggot
when will you play a real game, instead of being a casual-fag?
>>320709959
The game doesn't have about 70 people working on it anymore. People at Valve can work on anything they want as long as they have good reason.
Dota's ongoing development is apparently full of adding many different features. I think it seems logical for the Dota team to think it's not that important to complete the hero parity when there's already over a hundred heroes in the game. How many heroes have you played? How heroes have you even mastered? They're all free.
>>320710228
see
>>320706790
60th for best streamer
>>320704141
>ITT: People who can't succeed at team games
HotS > Dota 2 > Minesweeper > LoL
>>320710228
But I do, I play street fighter too.
I'd probably play dota again if there was a surrender option in normals.
Fuck those kinds of games where the enemy beats your shit in, you have some 3/19 dark seer building battlefury and the enemy goes to farm for 30 minutes in your jungle.
Like, there's no reason not to have a surrender in normals. No one even tries in normals the second something goes wrong.
>>320710607
Just play custom games. Currently there's no penalty for leaving anything.
>>320710242
>How many heroes have you played?
I dunno mate, how many heroes do you think I've played in the 4 years of dota 2 being playable and even way more of the wc3 mod existing?
This shit's a spit in the face and you know it. Yes, it's not a priority for money making, but it's still unreasonable as fuck to not just add the last hero. Instead they're holding out because that way they can sell more 200$ skins
>>320710607
This 2bhwhen's the filter getting removed
>>320710659
Eh, I don't care for custom game types at all. When I played dota, I just wanted dota.
I don't like custom types that are fun for maybe 10 minutes. Ironic, I know.
>>320704141
>Every hero now has 1.0 turn rate
Fucking when?
>>320705917
visible mana bars is a shit design choice in assfaggots
>woah that wraith king has half a mana bar, I should be able to kill him without popping his reincarnation
>oops I was wrong because a bar doesn't actually tell me how much mana they have
>>320710707
Honestly unless you're a Pit Lord main there is really no reason for you to care so much that they haven't ported Pit Lord yet. I don't even play Dota anymore but I wanted to provide you some insight on what the Dota team might be thinking with their current development process.
>>320706727
Some of the new things added like pausing cooldowns is not even possible in Dota 1 anymore. It's clear Icefrog has abandoned Dota 1 at this point.
>>320710876
>maining heroes
>>320710876
What the fuck is a main?
assgalore is pretty fun, but it's not about the specific hero. They took almost an entire year to fucking port the arc warden. 10 months. They've proven in the past that they can port heroes within weeks.
They're not doing it now out of jewish reasons. As you said, they don't want to allocate as many resources to improving the game anymore. And yes, adding that last hero is a pretty big improvement. It means you have the same roster as in the mod, which means another aspect of the game is on par which is the end goal.
Your 'insight' is not appreciated as everyone with half a brain is aware Valve sees no financial reason to port heroes anymore. This is exactly what people are complaining about.
>>320704141
You're all assfaggots, so why does it matter?
>>320706790
>tfw people like you aren't banned anymore
I remember when even posting about WoW shit wasn't allowed on /v/.
Miss those days...
>>320711153
It's laughable but they still exist.
>>320711170
> It means you have the same roster as in the mod, which means another aspect of the game is on par which is the end goal.
Again, that's pretty abstract, at least that's what I think. It's just hero parity for the sake of hero parity. Whatever then.
>>320711279
Again, what the fuck is abstract about hero parity for the sake of hero parity? What about having the same roster in the mod as in the standalone is hard to grasp?
Vainglory
>>320704984
>well it used to be the case where league simply wasn't worth talking about.
How delusional can people even be
LoL was talked about so fucking much it was one of the reasons /vg/ was made, there were lol general threads up 24/7 in /v/
Who else is coming from other planes here ?
>>320711479
If you think about it, this means people didn't give a fuck about LoL so much, they shoved all the people who did onto their own board
It's like /vp/
>>320706193
if pudge hasn't won the game by 30 minutes he's probably not going to win the game
>>320711543
Who else is constantly nerfed for no reason?
>>320711279
they should only exists in 7k+ MMR where you actually need to grind one hero over and over again to git gud.
Not in "I can not be bothered to learn every hero " and "What does that hero? LOL WHAT IS GOING ON WHY AM I DIEING - THIS GAME SUCKS I AM BACK TO LOL" first 100 games MMR pool
>>320704603
better then rubber band shit
>>320710607
that's not true though. Won against megas with randoms the other day.
Thank god there weren't any pussy like you in my team.
>tfw only ever playing Overthrow
it's much more fun than Dota itself
>>320711365
I'm saying game development isn't about fulfilling some kind of goal that doesn't actually have any incentive besides getting said goal out of the way.
>>320711556
No, no it doesn't, the creation of /vg/ didn't have getting people out as purpose, it was meant to actually let them discuss things while other things could also be discussed.
LoL, together with sc2 street fighter, smash and others were so popular that nothing else could be talked about.
And hell, lol discussion was there, it just happened, people talked about lol all day long with barely any shitposting.
Then dotards came.
>>320711637
>double damage doesn't affect all meepos anymore
this is honestly my most hated nerf ever
>>320706426
>calling and entire genre shit
your taste are shit
>>320711698
...the incentive would be parity. I think you're trying to say it's arbitrary, but it's quite the opposite. It's completion.
Are you dense?
>MOBAs
>>320711778
No one is gonna play Dota 2 just because it has full hero parity. No one is not gonna play Dota 2 just because it doesn't have full hero parity unless they like the excluded hero very much. I can guarantee the majority of the playerbase does not care about Pit Lord.
>>320711741
I just dont understand why the frogfucker hate meepo so much. Every patch there are shitton of changes to everything and little nerf to meepo. Every time.
And the worst nerf was the new antisnowball xp/gold patch. That killed meepo. Also everybody getting insane Aghanims didnt help either.
>>320711626
this
>>320711880
>No one is gonna play Dota 2 just because
This is the dumbest fucking thing to say ever. Wether or not something might motivate people to pick the game up is not relevant to wether or not it's an objective improvement to the game.
>>320711837
>MOBA
>Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
people still use this term in 2015?
I mean it is that non-descriptive it could be almost any game.
>>320711837
Yeah dude mobas are cool that new UT has potential.
>>320706126
>not knowing the power of the butcher and how chinese were scared about it that they went and banned it over and over again against navi
>>320711989
Get with the times, soon everybody will play Human Controlled Form of Online Media Entertainment
>>320711989
The term "dotacopy" didnt stick with all those shitters that copied it.
>>320711971
Hero parity is an improvement but it's not an important improvement in the eyes of the community. The playercount did not dwindle much in the 300 days where there was no new hero. The only time it dwindled severely was when Valve forced the buggy Reborn client on the community.
i cant tell if this patch is good or not honestly, this last year has been so fucking bad though
at least i can win with NP again
>>320712214
>Hero parity is an improvement but it's not an important improvement in the eyes of the community.
So you're saying it's not a common complaint that valve stopped porting heroes at a normal pace?
>>320712381
The playerbase cares more about major patches, where 100% of their games will be affected rather than a small percentage because of a new hero.
>>320712479
You dodged the question, so I'll answer it for you. No, it's an incredibly common complaint.
You pretending to speak for the community doesn't change that.
>>320711989
Just as RPG
>>320712572
quoting shit posts from /d2g/ doesn't make you a pillar of the community
its not a common complaint at all anymore
>>320712659
I haven't quoted any shitposts from /d2g/.
Remember how this argument started, guy? Someone complained about heroes coming too slowly.
>>320712750
>>320712659
When do you guys fuck
>>320712618
Except RPG originated from acutal role playing pen n paper.
The term stuck when they made a video game based on pnp rpgs
MOBA is literally THE worst term to describe a genre
>>320712572
Incredibly common, sure. But not common enough, unfortunately.
Think about the GIFF DIRETIDE fiasco. The community wasn't up in arms because of the lack of heroes. They were up in arms because a fucking hat-farming event wasn't released, which was later explained to not being worked on because Valve was busy working on a major release including two new heroes.
Sadly I don't have the time to argue anymore. You win I guess.
>>320704603
>boo hoo I have to learn how to fucking play instead of just leeching off my supports hard work stacking camps
>>320705917
>could you tell me what's the point of these?
They were originally a bug and Icefrog doesn't want to remove them because it would piss off tryhard losers who are excessively proud of being able to fight the controls.
>>320708328
>Think about it in terms of game development. It's stupid to port all the heroes for the sake of porting all the heroes.
You sound pretty fucking stupid. It's a remake of a game.
>>320705373
he's trash now
gimp his ult
okay now let's gimp everything else but leave his ult gimped
>>320714229
http://blog.dota2.com/2011/09/i-said-good-day-sir/
>Our original plan was to spend the next year or so in beta, adding new features and slowly growing the number of heroes until we reached a level of parity with Dota 1, at which point we’d release Dota 2 to the world. But the feedback we’re seeing everywhere is that people just want to play it, even though there’s still a ton of heroes yet to be implemented. We’ve also seen that the folks who are already in the beta are chomping at the bit to show everyone else some of the fun games they’ve had. So we decided our original plan was dumb.
>>320712348
he was good last patch
did you even watch admiral bulldog rat it out
>playing assfaggots
>>320705036
What would a proper ping function have that dota doesn't already have?
I've played both a lot of time each.
I'm playing LoL atm and I'm trying to justify why, but the only thing that comes to mind is 'it's more fun because it's more fast paced and a bit more reaction-based' and also I prefer the character design
Other than that I absolutely hate having to buy heroes, the skin system, the community and basically everything else about it.
Why do I just find League more fun?
ask a guy who is writing a fanfiction of windrunner raping sven anything
>>320716884
The Dota 2 community is way more awful, especially because of Russians and Peruvians (and spics in general).
>>320718029
>way more awful
>Russians are chill
>can't go a game in league without people spazzing about toxic shit and reporting everyone because reports are free and gg @ 20
just lmao
>>320718482
>>Russians are chill
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>320718482
Russians that don't like Russians from Russian servers go to European servers and Russians from European servers hate Russians that don't know English from European servers. And there are Russians that are afraid of Russians from DOTA, those Russians go to LoL.
hey guys i have like 600 hours in dota2, and im downloading lol to see how the other side lives, how different is it, honestly?
>>320719523
it's shit
>>320716884
Waifus.
It also depends on what game you played first. I used to play League a lot when I switched over to DOTA 2 I just hated everything, but once you get past the learning stage of DOTA you realize how much more fun it is.
It's really not about the complexity of the game and I really fucking hate this meme, it's whats killing DOTA. The game is highly rewarding and satisfying something I feel League can't be without major changes
>>320719523
shit compared to dota, or just shit in general?
>>320719635
whoops meant to reply to
>>320719548
>>320705036
>"p-picking good ideas from league is a good thing!"
>shitposts as hard as possible whenever league copied things from dota
mobatards are so insecure
>>320719523
Yeah there's like 15 mandatory minutes of farming and 99% of builds are the same every time because lol has like 4 active items for non ward bitches
Also towers literally 3 shot you early game
>>320718029
The Russians are fine. The Peruvians are the real problem.
>>320717319
link pls
>>320719794
does it do items in a similar fashion?
and are the roles basically the same?
finally what is a good noob ass right click hero to get me started with?
I'd play DOTA2 if I could actually get a game with teammates that wouldn't sperg out at me for being new.
I just spend hour after hour watching games..beats TV. Playing is difficult, and...stress inducing. Puts a horrible feeling in my gut whenever I queue
>>320719635
as a LOL player I must say new player experience is fucking horrible because you have to
1. Grind experience for masteries
2. Grind IP for runes
3. Grind IP for champions
and the matchmaking WILL fuck you over so enjoy playing against lvl 30 with full rune page and Thunderlord's Decree as level 12
>>320720137
Just mute everyone at the start of the game. I can't even play if I don't do this.
>>320719703
not gonna lie I deleted several paragraphs of explanation
shit in general
went from wc3 dota to dota 2 old to league then to dota 2 after being fed up and dota 2 is ABSOLUTELY better
I can see someone from dota 2 playing league similar to someone playing dota 2 as techies and shitposting but taking league seriously is so hard after playing and learning dota
>>320720137
More often than not, people you'll play with have the same skill level, so fuck them and mute the bitches who talk shit.
>>320720137
play more with stacks
>>320720137
/v/ and /vg/ should probably have a channel where you can play with anon and after some time have at least 20 different people and a couple of established groups to play with.
>>320720580
I feel like I'd get blacklisted for being so shit.
>Try to memorize pull times
>NEW PATCH AND YOU JUST HAD IT TOO, DARN
>Feel like a retard when I go to ward because people yelling at me to babysit and pull camps at the same time
>Can't do 20 things at once like people who get paid to play this.
I'd like that channel, but I'd be sooooo shit
Is this legit??
I thinl its official but hard to tell though. What /v/ thinks?
http://giftsofsnowdown.com/?s=Pnbb0NP
>>320720852
imo you shouldn't be worrying about pulling and shit if you're new, just on actually learning how to play the heroes
yeah you'll be on a disavantage but what's the point of doing perfect pulls if you can't even press your hero's buttons
>>320721274
actually you shouldn't be playing support since it's the hardest
>>320719935
>does it do items in a similar fashion?
I don't know what you mean here but everything scales with items including abilities
>and are the roles basically the same?
In terms of farm priority there's basically 3 position 1s a position 3(jungler) a position 5. There aren't really dedicated gank or push heroes anymore and roaming is basically giving up your lane even if you get a kill because kills aren't based on networth and you creep waves give like 130 gold average while a kill on someone with no death or kill streak is 300
>finally what is a good noob ass right click hero to get me started with?
Pick graves or yasuo and dumpster kids
>>320721350
Stuck on support duty because in the few games I have bothered with (Limited Heroes / All Pick / Single Draft matches), I get dirted on by some asshole who has 400 wins to my 2, and proceeds to MLG last hit and deny me.
That lane phase always sucks the most out of these games.and yet even though I was terrible, I could lane in HoN...kinda.
Who Nyx here?
>>320720852
I've played with a lot of people 1k lower than me and even with a friend that I have to tell what to buy every game, I kinda don't give a fuck about skill. Just play with people and don't be an asshole, everyone does mistakes, don't bother with arguing with people on channel, I doubt that people will shit on you unless you fill channel chat with yourself 24/7.
>>320720137
ill play with you m8, whats your steam name?
im 1k mmr shitter but i still have fun lol
>>320721712
your mother
>>320721712
NYX NYX NYX NYX NYX NYX NYX NYX
>>320722721
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/d/d8/Meepo_divided_22.mp3
