Name a game with better gameplay/combat
Protip:You can't desu senpai
>>320659417
Devil May Cry
>>320660125
HAhahahaha....no.
>>320659417
>>320660125
Aren't those almost the same game?Bloodborne or FFT
Bayo 2
>>320660324
Bayo is more mashy. Bloated movelist and easy dodging as well. Combat doesn't feel as impactful. Also there's instant death QTEs.
Still fun though. Combat just isn't as well thought out as DMCs
>>320659417
There are many
Platinum gameplay is really not that good, which is a shame because they are one of the few people who make action games
>>320660476
this
>>320659417
DMC4 by a fucking mile.
Bayo's combat is good, but not even anywhere close.
>>320660827
The QTE's suck I agree, but the combat if you actually choose to realize it to it's fullest potential is just so fine-tuned.
>>320660476
>>320661150
If you think Bayonetta 2 has better combat I will sit here for hours and debate why you're fucking wrong.
Final Fantasy VII
>>320661246
Well, go on then.
>>320661246
I enjoyed Bayo 2's combat more, you have nothing to argue.FUN
>>320661246
Because it's not on PS4?
>>320659417
The DMC series
>>320660827
This desu
>>320661516
DMC3+4*
>>320661658
You know what I meant.
Bayo 2 > DMC 4 > Bayo 1 > DMC 3 with mods > DMC 1
Bayonetta excels in making offense and defense seamless between each other, thanks to dodge offset. You don't stop attacking just because you have to defend.
DMC4 is the pinnacle of action games when it comes to combo freedom. The fact that it relies on special moves instead of pre-determined chains is what causes this.
But there are some things that people don't really realize. Having invincible dodges kill space control. It doesn't matter what the enemies' attacks look like, only their timing matters. In that regards, something like Ys, provide exhilarating combat because it requires players to move perfectly in accordance to the enemies. In a more basic form of this, you have shmups in general, but that's deviating even further from the intended genre.
But of course, fighting games have all of these games beat in all those regards, anyway.
Bayo and DMC are babby tier.
Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma/2/Sigma 2 is better by miles.
>>320661849
Fighting games are also only 2D, they'd fail if they were put in a three dimensional space
>>320661782
Bayo2 is worse mechanically speaking than Bayo1.
>>320661362
>>320661459
Okay, the tl;dr of it all is mechanically it is a worse game. Umbran Climax is a bad mechanic which adversely affects enemy and boss design, removes an aspect of meter management for other attacks / usage. While Bayonetta 1 has weapons that mostly use the same attack strings, they have interesting properties like hitstun, blowback, etc. Bayonetta 2 weapons are more varied in their actual strings but are slower and have worse properties. Undine for instance is pretty pointless, the streams are too slow, the freeze takes too long to be useful before an enemy dies and so on.
The game is built around Witch Time usage to an almost absurd extent, damaging bosses outside of Witch Time is nigh impossible other than chip damage and almost forces your best option in all cases to be get witch time -> Umbra Climax burst -> repeat, there doesn't feel like a back and forth because bosses just "infinite" dodge for the most part. Enemies suffer from blocking too much mid string and not allowing for interesting combo potential, or they just die too fast.
Difficulty wise Bayonetta 2 is leagues below Bayonetta 1, there are no real challenging fights outside of Rodin with arbitrary limitations on yourself to make it hard.
>>320661460
Fuck right off. I've played Bayonetta 2 for hundreds of hours.
>>320661980
No it's not. They fixed a lot of things.
>>320661658
Not him but I still liked DMC1 gameplay better than Bayonetta's
It may not be as crazy but it still feels more satisfying and the boss fights are better imo
I havent played DmC so I cant comment on that
Platinum circlejerking the thread.
>>320661729
It's an important distinction.I know someone who says that DMC 2, 3, and 4 are all shit, and that 1 is the best and has by far the best combat.I don't know if he's a Kamiya fanboy, nostalgiafag, or if the new games are just too complicated for him, but people are just fucking strange sometimes.
Everything from PlatinumGames is shallow button masher trash. The funniest of all is when kiddies think games like MGRR (pic related), Bayonetta, or W101 are deep or complex
>>320662026
Not even going to refute any points. Bayo 2 is easier, but I still find the combat more fun. Bayo 1 may be more technical and challenging though.
>>320662330
>shallow button masher trash.
KEK
>>320662220
Most people who say that are Kamiya cock suckers
They sometimes even say that Dantes after DMC1 are not the real Dante but imitations
>>320659417
the 3D Ninja Gaiden games
>>320662330
>and here I am posting an all S revengeance clear that I pulled from google, please don't image search this
>>320662129
I love DMC1's combat as well. Feels like you have to be smarter with your moves. It has the best bosses in the series also except for on the fucking ship. Best music too.
>>320659417
quake iii arena
>>320662330
Why did you take my photo from cuhrazye games general faggot
>>320662685
>>320662856
S-ranking any of these games is literally just trial and error, most Platinum games can be very easily abused to do so as well using some cheesy weapon or just quitting out on each fight before it saves, until you get it right.
>>320662685
Hmm. Here's some more. I'm not home right now, but I'll post some timestamps in a bit when I get back.
You can reverse search, I posted it here a few months ago.
>>320662901
Can you name a specific one?
>>320662738
>except for on the fucking ship
I started 1 for the first time recently and got to that fight, had no clue what to do, and died. Haven't really touched it since then.
Am I just shit or is it actually a bad fight?
>>320662653
DMC1/Viewtiful Joe Dante IS the best though.
DMC2 Dante is silent and boring, but does have the best design fucking ever. He was much better in Nocturne and was more like his DMC1 self
I have no issue with DMC3 Dante, since he was a teenager in the game, but when DMC4 Dante was THE SAME FUCKING WAY, it's annoying.
>>320662945
You're not seriously going to argue this are you? From the ones I've played, everything except Wonderful 101 can very easily be check point abused, Bayonetta 1, 2 and MGR I've done it myself to get the highest ranks the first time I was going for them. You just quit before the game auto-saves and try again
>>320663039
It's definitely the boss fight that is shit.
>>320663231
Very convincing
Why does there have to be so much fighting between fanbases? Can't we just accept that some people like on series/game more than another and just be happy that they all exist?
Devil May Cry 4
>>320663378
no fuck you
>>320659417
DMC4 has way better combat than both Bayo 1 and 2.
>>320663194
I don't agree, I think 3 and 4 Dante are the best, he's not the entirely same person in 4, he's less wild and only acts crazy right before the Agnus boss fight. He's pretty subdued in comparison. It also helps he has a better VA than 1 Dante.
>>320663231
That's kind of the point. It should be like that anyways, but because the mission select and checkpoint layout is fucking retarded, you have to quit to the menu. It should keep a running tally of ranks and allow you to pick specific fights. Some fights are also extremely poorly designed such as the elevator fight with the invisible wall.
VR missions can't be cheesed or save scummed. They're still piss easy though. Whole game is a shallow button masher joke.
>>320663362
This isn't something I should need to convince you on, it's objective fact. Google how to get S ranks or Pure Platinums or something and you'll see forum posts / videos talking about abusing the checkpoint systems to make it easier.
For the record, I'm not even this guy >>320662330, I think you're just being obtuse because you mixed up posters.
>>320660125
/thread
>>320659417
DMC 3
DMC4
Ninja Gaiden black
>>320661961
explain to me why, please. I've never played them and I'm really considering getting Sigma and Sigma 2 since I only have a ps3.
The only people that prefer Bayonetta to DMC suck at DMC4. Bayonetta's combat is about on the same level as DMC3's but it's easy to figure out they're too casual to wrap their head around 4's combat since that game is an entirely different monster.
Is it playable on the ps3 or does the framerate break it?
>>320663846
Pick up Ninja Gaiden, play the games, and you'll understand you fucking moron. Not going to explain mechanics to someone who has literally never touched the game.
And don't you dare stop fucking playing until you beat them on Master Ninja
>>320663584
Well no fucking shit that Reuben is a better VA than Drew Coombs, DMC1 is from 2001. Games having good voice acting was still a rarity back then.
>>320663851
No man, it can't be that Bayonetta has more content and is actually a finished game. Nope. It's sad too, since DMC4SE fixed some of the issues with DMC4, BUT IS STILL HALF A GAME.
>>320663846
>>320663990
It completely depends on what you want out of the games though, DMC4 is ragdoll combo simulator and will always be the king at that. Ninja Gaiden is a more complete, challenging experience overall.
Ninja Gaiden on ps3 is trash.
>>320663990
I think he's asking more if Sigma is as valid to play through as the vanilla versions.
>>320664062
This thread isn't about content you fucking retard, it's about combat. And don't try to mash the two into one category, because even with DMC4's content it still shits on Bayonetta mechanically.
>>320664098
DMC is an autism simulator with shallow combat, clunky movement, braindead damage sponge enemies, and shallow movesets.
>>320664257
Make your bait less obvious by using less buzzwords next time
It's unplayable. Xbox and Wii U versions are the only good ones
>>320663521
>DMC4 has way better combat
The series does. Why the fuck is Bayonetta dick sucked so much compared to GoW? It literally has more shallow mechanics with the same issues reflected in combat. Only GoW actually forced you master dodging, counters, blocks, and square square square. You can finish the entirety of Bayonetta with square square square and mastering witch time. The rest of the move sets are all flavor.
>>320664113
No, it really isn't. Sigma is the exact same game essentially with girl sections.
Sigma 2 increased enemy AI and aggression for enemies and bosses, fewer enemies but they are more hardy, and some balancing (for better or for worse).
Both are great. Sigma and Black are essentially identical. 2 and Sigma 2 have more differences but both have advantages and disadvantages, and both are still 10/10 games
>ctrl F
>no God Hand
>>320664359
I beat it on DMD and am a master of the genre. Fuck off retard.
>>320664483
I agree with you for the most part that they're essentially the same game, but there are parts, like this video, that highlight some of the absolutely retarded changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDAiYc_sy8A
>>320659417
its weird, i found bayo 1 a lot more difficult than 2.
cant just be me right? i mean they pretty much gimped witch mode but i blazed through the game really easily compared to 1
>>320663905
i thought this was patch-fixed
>>320664425
>Talking about GoW
>>320664594
>master of the genre
Why do you keep posting this in every thread about cuhrayzee games, it's terrible bait
>>320663846
Don't listen to retards DMC, Bayo, and NG are each good at different things and not one is better than the other.
Ninja Gaiden has better movement and better player vs ai but really shallow when it comes to building combos. Yet has really fluid movement.
DMC has pretty mediocre player vs ai, some good bosses but its a combo building sandbox with a lot of systems to play around with. However the movement isn't as good as NG.
Bayo's a nice medium inbetween but only on NSIC. The bosses are only somewhat good in 2 but 1 has a deeper combo system. Not as deep as dmc, not as tough as NG. But has the best movement of all of them and makes a fine medium by doing its own thing.
>>320664631
>posting this meme video yet again
Play the game and try again. Don't just regurgitate what retards on /v/ say.
>>320664425
Because Kamiya made the game and he makes epin and rude replies on twitter
Most of the people here who blow bayonetta out of proportion are his fanboys
>>320664483
Didn't Sigma 2 slow down the game or something?
1 doesn't have a deeper combo system than 2
>>320661849
>play dmc4
>getting used to nero
>halfway through heres dante!
>no more grapple crutch
>finally get used to dante
>weapon and stance switchin a lot more difficult for me than 3
>oh hey lets try out lady
>ez mode
>now trish
>also ez mode
>finally virgil
>ez mode
honestly nero seems a lot harder to play than dante in 4
>>320659417
DMC
Ninja Gaiden
Most good fighting games.
>tfw finally gotten to the climatic Jeanne fight
>it's ruined by constant QTEs
>>320664743
>really shallow when it comes to building combos.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
News flash retard, some arbitrary "style" meter aka "cycle through the same few shitty combos on these punching bag enemies" doesn't change the core mechanics.
Only having two weapons at once combined with shallow movesets cripples the combat and ruins variety. There are so few moves for each, nothing on the level of NG2's 15+ base attacks (counter, strong, weak, strong hold, weak hold, strong pause, weak pause, forward strong, forward weak, 360 attacks, OT, UT, bow, shruiken, air combos) for each weapon + dodge/block, and this is without even going into NG2's 50+ combos for each weapon. And not to mention NG2's more fluid movement, more strict timing, more smart and adaptive enemy AI (especially bosses), and the weight given to moves by not being able to simply hop right out of them into a full i-frame to apex jump whenever you see an enemy do one of their predictable tells before an attack.
Literally git gud babby
>>320659417
DMC4SE
>>320662330
>look at me i beat the game with max stats and all items :^)
shame about platinum. cant do hard mode right off the bat because its meant to be played after normal since upgrades carry over
nothin more grindy and artificial than devastation though tbH
>>320659417
RULES OF NATURE
>>320664784
I've always preferred Mikami to Kamiya and the folk at Capcom. I STILL prefer Bayonetta to DMC. DMC4 as a game is fucking horrible. Sure it has good combat, but when there's nothing to fucking do, it's a waste. All of Kobayashi's games are like this too. Unfinished messes.
>>320665005
Holy shit you actually have that part about 15+ base attacks on copy paste don't you? You've been posting that for like the last 3 days in any thread that mentions Ninja Gaiden 2.
>>320665005
I saw a similar post on /cgg/ are you that same guy
>>320665005
No offense but you sound like a casual scrub who's never touched DMC or Bayo at high level in your life. NG2 is probably my favorite game of all time but no amount of UT or shuriken cancelling with those dail-a-combos will make it on the same level of mechanics/cancels that bayo and DMC has.
Stay delusional though.
>>320664739
Post your credentials or get the goddamn fuck out of this thread right now.
>>320664843
What? No
>>320663990
man ninja gaiden kicks your fucking ass in the tutorial level. never forced to get good at a game faster than ninja gaiden.
and that was vanilla, not even black.
>>320665237
>Post your credentials
Post your youtube channel with your Ninja Gaiden 2 combo videos, I asked you to do this a couple threads ago actually but you never replied.
>>320664891
The skill floor with dante is a bit lower since you can swap styles if one isn't quite working for you rather than just being saddled with the grapple, but his skill ceiling is much higher due to the large number of options.
>>320665235
Nothing in DMC has strict timing in the slightest, especially to anyone who plays any reaction based game on a regular basis.
Now buddy boy, post your credentials or get the fuck out. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
>>320664994
I don't know why platinum has such a hard on for QTEs. it's like they're incapable of making a game without them.
>>320665447
Post yours, in fact post videos to show me the deep and not completely easy dail-a-combo tech in NG that my eyes have yet to see.
>>320665447
The entirety of /cgg/ disagrees with you, but okay buddy, post some videos or fuck off.
Wow the action game community once again proves they're among the worst
>>320665347
I don't have any recording software. "combo" vids literally aren't even in a thing. NG doesn't have an autistic style meter.
Are you unironically referring to NG videos from people like XLHGladiator as "combo vids" LMAO
>>320659417
Viewtiful Joe is the superior version of Bayonetta. Its only downside is a retarded checkpoint system.
>>320665357
i did like rev mechanic, completely ignored it first playthrough and once i started playing again it gave him some depth.
i thought dante would be hard since his only gap closer i could remember was stinger but i found ways around it and enjoyed dante a lot more
but the snake flower bitch with nero was a pretty fun experience first time through since you could always be in her face, same with vergil
fuck i need to start playin dmc4 again
Streets of Rage 2
>>320665613
Nice appeal to authority! Classic! :^)
>>320665447
>Nothing in DMC has strict timing in the slightest
You try pulling off a Star rave perfectly,also not mention Royal has the most strict timing than any Ninja Gaiden game
>>320665179
>nothing to fucking do
What the fuck? How is this even a criticism of a beat em up like DMC4? It's about what you can do to the enemies, not being able to play ping pong in Dante's DMC office and drink a beer with Lady after a hard day of devil hunting. Yes the missions are lacking, but missions are not what provide these games with longevity. It's about limitless depth, something DMC4 unquestionably has, especially when compared to Bayonetta.
>>320665631
No because XLHGladiator is a joke in this genres community of good players, nobody thinks he has good stuff.
>software
OBS is free, I guess you meant hardware. If you think beating these games without showing any interesting combo content while praising a games shallow combo potential I don't know what to say.
>>320665728
You asked for credentials, it's not really a fallacy if you literally asked for something.
>NG and DMC fags get into a dick waving contest
consider suicide or stop embarrassing yourselves.
Haha! Wow! Really buzunis shit going on here my, BLACK MAN FRIEND, Haha!
Like the online game with the fun, right? Haha!
>>320665865
Why is XLHGladiator's bayonetta and ng stuff a joke? I've literally never seen anyone do better in /cgg/.
>>320662738
The music in DMC games always seem like their biggest detriment to me. Like it's consistently terri-fucking-awful. I dunno why they couldn't have just settled with spooky organ arrangements or Dynasty Warriors style guitar riffs.
>>320659417
Bayonetta 2
>>320661246
Go on then because Bayonetta 2 does everything Bayonetta 1 does gameplay wise but faster and funner
>>320662026
Doesn't change the fact that 2 is funner
>>320664425
>GoW
>Using a PS3 for Bayo
>GoW isn't as fun
Now then why do you cuck so much
Just a friendly reminder that Ninja Gaiden II is the best action game ever made
>>320665992
>>/mlp/
A hate the filrth this sub genre brought to action games.
If the game doesn't have a complex combo system that let's you beat up on defenseless ragdolls , then it's instantly considered an inferior action game
i always thought the consensus was that ngb > ng2
>>320666209
Bayonetta 2 is literally just Bayonetta 1 if Bayonetta made Witch Time mandatory, aka not better.
>>320666118
It's not. He's talking out his ass. He's a fucking babby who struggles on even beating the game who lives vicariously through his little youtube stars that he thinks are super skilled just because the videos look flashy.
>>320666434
It is, there's been one guy over the last 2 weeks spamming about NG2 and how he's mastered this genre etc. Weird time to bother doing it considering the games have been out so long.
>>320664665
Yeah instead of 20fps it now runs at 30fps
>>320666497
It was mandatory in Bayonetta 1 as well, just made the gameplay was made faster and funner
>>320666434
Preference, I think NG2 > ngb but that's up to you.
>>320666675
No it wasn't you retard, play on a difficulty past normal.
>>320665857
If you're paying $60 for a game, it better fucking have shit to do in it.
>no unlockables, which every game before had, EVEN THE FIRST GAME
>the game is literally half a game, and then that same half, IN REVERSE
And you bring up Arcade games with the fact they're just action to the core, but here's the thing, YOU DON'T PAY FULL PRICE TO PLAY THEM.
Lets go with God Hand. The game has a good variety of bosses, it has shit to do BESIDES fighting, there's collectables, and there's unlockables. It's still a beatemup and it's still worth your time more than DMC4.
What they charged for DMC4 SE is what they should have charged for DMC4 to begin with.
>>320666767
I sware I can feel the salt you are exhuming, doesn't change how Bayo 2 has a faster and funner pace than most if not all of these games
>>320666819
DMC4 is easily findable for $12
>>320666352
>This comic
>Dante
Patient
Understanding
Friendly
>Ryu
Aggressive
Rude
Verbally abusive
>/v/ suddenly hates Platnium
It's ok, I wouldn't expect you faggots to understand good/rewarding gameplay anyways
>>320666978
Not in 2008 it wasn't.
>>320666819
>no unlockables
Outright lie
>And you bring up Arcade games with the fact they're just action to the core, but here's the thing, YOU DON'T PAY FULL PRICE TO PLAY THEM.
DMC4SE for 20 dollars, DMC4 for 5
>>320666978
so you like shittier combat?
ok, i wont argue your shit taste
>>320667023
Ryu is a murderer who hates happiness.
>>320666978
>faster
>funner
Bayonetta 2 fans are quite articulate aren't they
I'm considering getting Bayonetta but I'm having trouble deciding for which console. Which one is not shit?
>>320667068
Ok thats a good point but buying games full price isn't that common here (I think) its only really mundanes that do it
>>320659417
Is it worth getting the PS3 version?
>>320667061
Well all their newer games, kora, transformers, scalebound, star fox zero, are/look pretty underwhelming.
>>320667265
wiiu > xbox > ps3
>>320667265
Get Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U, it comes with the first one and it's by far the best version
>>320667337
No
>>320667382
You sure? There are some unplayable fights on Wii U like Jubelius where the whole battle is 20fps
>>320667116
Oh shit, I'm sorry. You could unlock Unlimited Devil Trigger, which isn't even a new costume, or a new character. DMC2 is mediocre beyond fucking belief, but there's at least reason to play it and replay it outside "muh ultra deep combat"
>>320667265
WiiU is the best version, but 360 is perfectly acceptable. Avoid the PS3 version. To even make it playable, you need to download a fucking 4GB update.
>>320666434
It is because NGB handholds you through most of the game and you can grind your way out thanks to the interconnected world so casuals on the internet can get something akin to "satisfaction" because they beat the game on MN even if they barely learnt the advanced stuff.
NG2 on the other hand takes you by the balls and never lets you off.
I'm not that turboautist with the NG2 meltdown btw.
>>320667431
>it's by far the best version
Content wise it is, but the 360 version runs better overall framerate wise. If you link that fucking eurogamer technical analysis video I'm going to ignore it, it isn't representative of the entire game.
>>320667371
Kora and Transformers were probably rushed and underfunded being they were published by Activision.
Starfox Zero looks pretty good IMO and Platnium really only did grunt work for that one.
Have we even seen anything for Scalebound? I've heard nothing about it since E3
>>320667528
SE has unlockable costumes and difficulties, otherwise known as, the same exact shit as 3 to replay the game for.
>>320665847
Show me one thing in DMC that has stricter timing than this.
https://youtu.be/EH0vDN7rmiI
Protip: I'm not even going to respond unless you provide proof that you've actually beaten UN01. I know it may be hard for your brain to comprehend because it's not overly flashy with a style meter in the corner.
>>320667124
What is wrong with faster combat, I know you say witch time is mandatory but you are saying it as if its a bad thing, why do you have a problem with witch time, can't you dodge or something
>>320667265
Wii U first option, 360 2nd option, try not to get the PS3 one
>>320667371
Transformers was received pretty well, the only problem was its shortness, Star Fox Zero's assets are the only thing done by platinum even then the game doesn't look underwhelming, so its just Kora and Scalebound
>>320659417
checkmate faggot
>>320667698
>why do you have a problem with witch time, can't you dodge or something
You don't seem equipped to have a conversation about game design if you can't see the negative implications it had on Bayonetta 2.
>>320667698
He's not the one saying Witch Time is mandatory, I am, and I'm saying it's bad because Witch Time in 2 is the only window you have on most enemies to get some air game, so the game essentially relies on nothing but dodge offsetting for the entire game with no other layer of depth to break the monotony
>>320667907
I genuinely don't see it, its there to make the user feel more powerful which is half the point of the game
>>320667996
I'll have to give you that to a degree
>>320667695
not him but what are you talking about? the whirlwind timing to evade Alexei's tornado? Because that's the only moderately difficult thing to pull off timing-wise in that video.
In fact, you could've posted better examples of difficult stuff to do relating to timing in NG2.
>>320668097
No you'll have to give me that to the fullest degree and accept the fact that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about and are a 10 year old that can add no insight to a conversation outside of "lalalalala it fun guys alallalaal"
>>320668172
Not sure if you can read, but your reply shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the game.
Now post your credentials or stop wasting my time, champ.
>>320668487
>Now post your credentials
Can you stop posting this when you have literally no evidence of anything impressive in the game because you say you can't afford free software
>>320668823
Recording PS3 requires an external recording device, which I'm not getting for some babbies who have an extremely basic knowledgeof CAGs. I'm not asking for video you dumbshit. Just credentials that you've actually beat or at the very least played UN01 before discussing it.
It ain't complicated kiddo.
>>320668232
I could say the same to you, I mean do you not feel powerful when playing the Bayonetta games
>>320668487
I consider myself gud enough in NG2 related stuff. Sure, I'm far from the best there is but I feel like I can put up a fight against your memes
btw, 235 hours in NG2, mostly in Survival.
>>320669102
>Recording PS3 requires an external recording device
I'm aware, I own one, I'm asking why you'd come to an imageboard spamming about your skill with 0 ways to back it up and wonder why you receive a hostile response. Posting this shit with pet names when you can't prove anything. You badly want to show off and have people approve but can't afford to do it properly, it's kinda cute.
>>320669287
No you couldn't, and all of these games make you feel powerful, idiot. They're juggle simulators and all have impactful animations and weapons.
>>320666118
for his ng shit he relies too much on UTs/ETs and 360 OL moves. Literally all his videos are padded with UTs because he can't do shit otherwise and he just gets his shit kicked in. Same reason why he spams 360 OL moves, he gets into a mass of enemies and uses a move that almost instantly delimbs or kills them all, then he proceeds to use a UT and once all that's done he attempts to appear cool by comboing a lone enemy that he leaves alive on purpose.
If you watch his ng2 montage the segment where he fights all those ninjas in chapter 2 he gets hit a bunch of times because he's retarded and can't do anything if he can't pad out the action with ETs.
He sucks at no damaging fights in an interesting manner, and he sucks at making his own combos as well. His "freestyle" literally consists of air launching an enemy, keeping said enemy stunned with shurikens and then finishing off with a flying swallow
>DMC vs NG shitposting still happening a decade later
How can you still care this much?
>>320669729
>wanting flashy bullshit over effective gameplay
Off yourself DMCfag, this isn't your babby game with punching bag enemies.
And you do realize the DMC combo videos are just as shallow? They only appear difficult or skill-intensive if you don't have a knowledge of the game and its mechanics.
>>320670413
Ironic that you say that when xlhfag does exactly that, flashy bullshit in HD to give the impression that he's good at the game
>>320668097
>its there to make the user feel more powerful which is half the point of the game
Okay, I'll put it simply.
Witch Time as a mechanic is fine, but depends on implementation.
Witch Time in Bayonetta 2 forces you into a single style of play against bosses, namely, you cannot damage them outside of Witch Time consistently.
Bosses dodge an absurd amount, limiting damage, and attack at a fast rate, so you can gain Witch Time quickly and easily.
Umbran Climax ties into this as a problem too. When you have a limited way to deal damage (because bosses dodge too much) and only a limited time to deal damage (Witch Time) and a magic meter that only has useful effects during that time, you might as well always spend it dealing the most amount of damage in the shortest space of time so it isn't wasted.
If you don't understand now, I don't know what else to tell you. tl;dr Bayonetta 2 was poorly designed around 1 mechanic.
>>320669362
>235 hours played
>is still garbage and hasn't even beat MNM or the ToV
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
>>320670551
That's actually not ironic at all retard, and you clearly missed the point entirely.
>>320670912
Nope
If you knew any actual good ng players you'd realize how fucking retarded you sound
so, the most important thing i've seen in this thread are:
1: Bayo 1 is shit in ps3 -don't explain why-
2: NGSigma 1 & 2 are good games
3: DMC3SE is worth getting.
>>320670413
I just can't understand how in your head you equate DMC to flashy compared to NG2, it's just mind blowing to me.
DMC4 combo videos are by far the most input intensive game in the genre, post a video of something that compares that isn't just a dodge fest or slow, short combo. I feel like people are comparing completely different things in this thread.
>>320671248
in case you don't know bayo 1 on ps3 has just about half the framerate overall compared to the 360 version
>>320671220
My reply was nothing about his skill as a player. It was about how you prefer shallow flashy bullshit that "looks good" over actual mechanical depth.
Now post your credentials champ, you know the deal.
>>320671290
DMC3/4 are just cycling combos on braindead punching bag enemies. Anyone who has played and mastered the game can see right through the shallow bullshit
>>320671248
>DMC3SE is worth getting.
It's one of the best action games ever made.
>>320671570
>Now post your credentials
Why is this your go to when you already admitted you have zero way to backing up anything you say buddy, ask for a Capture Card for Christmas, then come back and shitpost.
>DMC3/4 are just cycling combos on braindead punching bag enemies. Anyone who has played and mastered the game can see right through the shallow bullshit
So you think input intensive punching bag combo videos are less impressive than just doing boss fights on Master Ninja in NG2? Because I'm still at a loss as to how you think UT spam is interesting to watch or challenging to pull off.
>>320659417
Bloodborne.
>>320671570
DMC both looks good and has mechanical depth.
If you want to single out a game for style over substance look at MGR or Bayonetta 2. But denying DMC's mechanical depth is retarded. Maybe if you played past normal you'd realize enemies aren't braindead either.
>>320671570
>credentials
what kind of autist are you
I proved you XLH is a shit player with no skill and you change the topic to "nuh uh you just like flashy bullshit"
>>320662026
As someone who uses Moon of Mahaa Kalaa, I never bother with Witch Time.
I enjoy both games very much and don't see one as better than the other since they're both very satisfying to play.
>>320672150
>As someone who uses Moon of Mahaa Kalaa, I never bother with Witch Time.
That changes nothing in the argument, you are still absurdly limited in your damage dealing potential because you only have windows of seconds at a time to do anything remotely interesting, then you're back to dodge fest shit where you can't combo.
>>320670789
How did you reach that conclusion?
btw you're wrong, took awhile to give me that (you), running out of steam?
>>320669387
not him but
>I dont have proof, n-not because I dont have any but just because Im too cool to get it!
>you need proof but I dont!
you're a pretty big faggot dude, and I say this as someone who thinks the NG games are a mile above the rest
>>320672435
Okay, but I'm not the one instigating every argument with "POST YOUR CREDENTIALS" while providing none of my own when my opinion gets challenged. He's been doing this for a few days.
>>320672260
I can combo just fine anon, even on ∞ Climax. Albeit I have to doge most of the time, I'll still get several hits in before dodging.
>>320672135
Wait, there's a difficulty beyond DMD? Huh, I must've been playing wrong all along. Silly me! :^)
>>320672140
>you "won" in an argument that was never there and that I never brought up, and even then, it was only because you expected something that the video never claimed to be.
>>320672339
Post a screenshot or get the FUCK out of MY thread champ.
>>320673021
Post a video of such a feat, because everyone good at this genre all but wrote the game off a long time ago because of limited potential in boss fights without Witch Time.
>>320673346
Jesus you're retarded, buy a capture card and put up or stop posting your inane shit.
>>320673608
I haven't played in months and am not buying shit I'll never use again. Now post proof, or get out my thread mate.
I already posted proof m8, now you want video too LMAO. Those goalposts are off and running aren't they? :)
>>320673881
>haven't played in months
Then why did you over the last few days decide it was the best time to start shitposting years after the games released
>I already posted proof
When you make claims about the mechanics of a game you sort of need to back them up, having max ranks on this genre doesn't mean anything because outside of NG1/2 they're all easy as fuck to max rank with checkpoint restarts
>>320673608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7IEFR3GcE
>>320674327
This is just too funny, that video is the one people use when they're arguing in favor of Bayonetta 2 having bad boss mechanics / Witch Time interaction. The whole video is basically attacks that miss over and over except spamming shoot and Tetsu's hitting randomly, there are no combos in that video at all.
>>320662026
Bayo 1 may be better advanced tech wise but overall i had less fun with its gameplay than bayo 2. My 2 cents anon.
xenoblade. come check out my stream and see for yourself!
/lgoodmanjones on twitch
>>320674183
I also beat NG2/NGS2 on MNM and beat ToV and team challenges. I agree the ranks are easy m8, I posted that to show how pisseasy it is
DMC4 SE trumps all
>>320659417
MGR
>>320674712
Pretty sure I saw some combo finishers in there.
B-BUT IT'S JUST XXX YYY YOU GET SUCKED!
>>320667228
>I sure love to climax over shitty death qtes and awful boss designs
>>320675946
Okay, you aren't equipped to understand why that fight video is terrible either apparently. There are 0 places in it where you was in control of the fight from an offensive standpoint, he was just reacting and spamming attacks until something hit because Witch Time is required to do anything past that. Half of his damage came from spamming the shoot button, tons of those offset finishers missed and so on.
>>320676205
>awful boss designs
Did you mix them up or something, Bayonetta 2 bosses are fucking awful, it's basically the same refight 8 times.
>>320659417
Max Payne 3
>>320675170
This. DMC 4 had no rival until SE came out. Bayonetta is casual shit and NGB plays like shit.
>>320661961
Haha, no. Ninja Gaiden is a game where the same two moves kill everything no matter what cause of how bad the I frames are. Izuma drop and square square square triangle triangle. And ninja Gaiden doesn't reward you for experimenting, nor does it penalize you for performing t y e same moves. I love ninja gauden, great game, but the only people who think it is better than dmc 3 and 4 are first and 2nd Gen Xbot idiots.
>>320663231
>I can get an S Rank eventually if I save-scum to oblivion :^)
Wow it's actual brain damage
>>320677003
Save scumming doesn't make it any easier. And VR rooms can't be save scummed or cheesed and those are still a joke
>>320676729
Post your credentials casual babby. Spamming moves only works on lower difficulties.
>>320677372
The easiest way to survive on Master Ninja is spamming UTs
>>320677441
Again, post your credentials or stop wasting my time. A simple timestamp works friendo.
Spamming UTs works for about the first half of the first level
>>320676348
I challenge you to explain how any non-jeanne boss fight in 1 offer solid mechanical design.
Protip: You can't.
>>320659417
As a casual to action games like these who normally only plays on normal sometimes hard I'd rate them as so out of the ones Ive played
Bayonetta>DMC3>MGR>NG2>DMC1>DMC4
How mad does this make you?
>>320677981
They're bad as well, I didn't argue the contrary. But almost every boss in Bayonetta 2 is humanoid and allows for none of the freedom most humanoid boss fights in this genre offer. Jeanne at least lets you fucking sweep and combo.
>>320678313
Not at all since you're a casual
>>320678313
>No NGB
>prob played the shitty sigma version of 2
>bayo at the top of the list
>DMC4 at the bottom
Outside of dmc3's ranking you're casual as fuck.
>>320678313
Considering you're a casual your DMC4 and Bayonetta rankings make perfect sense
You're all style no substance
>>320678781
Just like Platinum.
>>320678493
I was interested in how people who play these games often would take the perspective of a casual to these types of games given how mad as fuck you guys are in this thread about these different types of games as I read over it.
>>320678579
Well duh, I stated before hand I dont play these types of games enough or in depth to really exploit them like you see on webms that get posted here. I enjoyed Bayonetta the most since it looks the flashiest, the enemy design and music was top notch and the experience overall was great not too hard but still hard enough. I hated play with Nero in 4 and Dante has all recycled bosses it just wasnt as great as the other DMC games and it was kinda easier as well compared to the other ones by far. I didnt even rate DMC2 but that'd be dead last its shit,
I've only ever played NG2 that shit was hard as fucking shit I wouldnt even try the other ones
>>320679210
Out of curiosity, how far did you get in DMC2?
>>320679864
I beat Dantes story didn't bother with the girl it was awfully easy just devil trigger every fight and keep it moving
>>320662026
This guy is right you know
>>320681410
Fair enough, it's a shit game anyways.
>>320662330
>The funniest of all is when kiddies think games like MGRR (pic related), Bayonetta, or W101 are deep or complex
Litterally nobody has said that. Stop talking out of your ass.
>>320662330
You know, Revengeance difficulty in MGR is substantially easier than Very Hard because of the insane damage boosts parries get. I can see how you'd think it's the hardest difficulty if you don't know how to parry, It's the equivalent of Heaven or Hell, to a lesser extreme.
MGR is also the easiest Platinum game of the ones you mentioned there to begin with, and it's only multiplied by the fact that you can complete an encounter, see your score, and then press "Retry" to do just that fight over again for a better score with no penalty at all.
>>320665631
>I don't have any recording software
Hey starkiller
>>320665648
>Retarded checkpoint
I barely remember the checkpoints anymore, don't they start you right near the last fight/objective you did? I may be thinking of VJ2 though, didn't invest as much time in 1 ike I should've, prefer 2 a lot more
I don't understand why you masturbate over the limitations the DMC series has and even have the audacity to say Bayonetta is inferior to it. Bayonetta is more polished than DMC4 in terms of game mechanics because it doesn't have style switching nonsense to drag it down. Once you have purchased all of her moves and accessories, you can pretty much do the same shit you can in DMC3/4 without the shitty cinematic camera and outdated dodging mechanics.
They're both fantastic games, and while the QTE's aren't welcome, Bayonetta is still the superior game.
