Games people hated that were actually good.
Undertale.
>>320585786
mgs v
>>320585786
i always wondered why people hated ff 13 so much ?
>Steam faggots
>Games people hated that were actually good
Couldn't you say that about any good game? I mean there has to be at least two people in the world that hate any given game.
>>320585906
It's boring
>>320586061
>>320585906
To be neo-hipster cock suckers.
There is nothing wrong with the game.
>>320585786
>Bad level design
>experience points roadblocks in every chapter so you're not allowed to grind
>hallway levels so you're not allowed to explore
>Movie combat system so you can only issue commands to one guy
It sucked
>>320586061
i mean so are a lot of final fantasy games
hello neogaf
>>320586156
Indeed
>>320586130
Postulating isn't arguing, cunt.
>>320586131
>false
>completely false
>true for most of the game but I don't mind. Same can be said for almost every final fantasy game.
>combat system was great although it would be awesome to pick all three characters moves although it wouldn't be possible to have such a fast pace
>>320586130
It's boring. But I guess if you like movies and not games.
>>320585786
ITT: Lies on the internet from Buster Baxter.
>>320586131
Except some of the bosses in the FF13 are the hardest to date. A lot of people can't even finish 13 because they suck too hard.
>>320585906
All of the characters are impossibly unlikable. Maybe different voice acting could have helped, but it's awful. The areas are even more linear than previous Final Fantasy games, which isn't necessarily a problem if there's interesting shit to do but there's not. And don't tell me it gets better 25 hours in when it becomes nonlinear, that's not an excuse. Combat has even less tactics involved than other final fantasy games, which were already light on tactics but at least had likable characters and a plot you maybe cared about. Are those enough reasons?
>>320585786
So are you gonna post a pic relevant to your text yet?
>>320586423
>some of the bosses in the FF13 are the hardest to date.
It's not that they are strong enemies. Each one just requires a particular paradigm to Stagger it. Once you find the proper paradigm, it's really a snoozefest
Playing Lightning returns on pc now, its actually pretty comfy.
>>320585786
I've tried beating XIII 3-4 times, and have yet to make it past getting to gran pulse.
The game is OK, but it's not fun enough to keep me engaged, and the story isnt engaging enough to make up for it.
>>320586552
I mean same can be said about most FF games, but yeah the bosses in 13 were not difficult
>>320586317
You lied almost immediately. The level design is absolute trash.
>>320585786
>that expression on light's face in that particular setting/moment
it's like she has autism. our favorite girl is a autist neet just like us. makes me feel warm inside
>>320585906
i really tried to like it but didn't enjoy the combat at all.
>>320585786
So really what we're gathering from this thread is the only people who like FF13 are hipster trash
>>320586575
she is comfy just in general
>>320586670
It's not.
Get fucked faggot.
>>320586758
It's probably some young 14 year old kid who doesn't know any better
Like, he can't recognize high quality because he just hasn't experienced much of it
>>320585906
The combat
15 fucking hours to get anywhere interesting
The dialogue
The characters
I still can't beat it.
>>320586916
I really like the combat but I will agree with the dialogue for sure.
Also tutorial was too damn long holy shit.
>>320586131
There are points you can grind early in the game what the fuck are you talking about
>>320586828
dat argument, super good
you call linear corridors with one or two short side branches with useless garbage at the end good level design? and enemies/bosses that are just "pick the right paradigm: mash X to win"
>>320586828
What is rewarding to you as a gamer about walking down a straight path with no turns or secret rooms? It's almost a complete lack OF level design
>>320586828
It is. I hope you and your terrible taste get hit by a bus.
>>320585786
actually good
>>320585786
>pic not related
>>320586990
It doesn't give you the full crystarium from the start. It's unlocked in segments as you progress.
There's a limit to how strong you can be at any given time
>>320586990
fuck off nigger,cant you read?
>>320586801
She's a frigid bitch who's flat as fuck on all sides, she's literally polar opposite of comfy
>>320587005
>>320587031
>>320587047
I will not deny that it was sadly linear for most of the game. That can be said about most Final Fantasy games if not all RPG games. The entire beginning of FF VII is fucking linear as fuck. You don't get to explore.
The actual design of the levels isn't garbage. By that I mean the textures and what ever other mumbo jumbo is necessary.
Linear, yes.
Ugly, no.
Alien Colonial Marines was really faithful to the source material and it was a good game.
>>320587267
>That can be said about most Final Fantasy games
No. I can't remember doing any backtracking in 13. Want to know why? You literally can't. Other FF games are linear in the events of the narrative, not literally a linear entire game
>>320587468
Most of it is linear. You get to ultimately explore one big world. Which you get to do in XIII. Did you even play the fucking game, man?
Did you play the second one?
>>320585786
FF13's my guilty pleasure. It was a boring, linear game with less than likable characters and two unneeded continuations, and the combat was slightly more interactive than watching a movie, but fuck me if I didn't have fun with them.
Everyone has one, I guess.
>>320587548
>You get to ultimately explore one big world. Which you get to do in XIII.
You can only explore Gran Pulse. You make a one-way trip through THE ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME. You can never return to ANY of these areas. Generally Final Fantasy games don't work like that.
>>320585906
>shit story
>shit characters
>shit combat
>shit level design
>next to nothing to actually do in the fucking game
The better question is how can anyone possibly defend this piece of shit.
>>320587751
He probably just hasn't played a good video game yet so he doesn't understand why it is bad
>>320587736
Yeah, and the rest of it is "so shitty and linear" so what would the point of returning be?
Did you play the second one?
A lot of people liked the second one and that brought them around to liking the first one.
>>320585786
>pic unrelated
>>320585906
The first 20 hours are a linear tutorial that suddenly changes into a super big overworld that takes forever to walk everywhere and 100+ sidequests.
imo the only truly bad thing XIII did was the pacing. If they had opened up the game a lot sooner that would fix most of its problems.
>>320587195
yeah, if you're a pussy
>>320587798
If you are extremely shallow, stupid and easily impressed by graphics then I could see it.
>>320585860
everyone knows that game is great
>>320587798
It's good. Just because you can't understand the story or enjoy Gran Pulse doesn't make it bad.
>>320587823
>Yeah, and the rest of it is "so shitty and linear" so what would the point of returning be?
If they had made an actual game with features, then they could put some content there. Their levels were so bland that they weren't rewarding to pass through the first time
>>320587751
wow man you describe every single final fantasy game dude nice job
>>320585786
>Games people hated that were actually good.
>Posts a Movie
>>320587994
You have convinced me that you didn't make it to Gran Pulse.
It is fucking massive and has a ton of content.
>>320588128
>You have convinced me that you didn't make it to Gran Pulse.
>It is fucking massive and has a ton of content.
Anon, Gran Pulse is one large empty central area with one way to enter it, one way to leave it, and 4 paths leading to dead ends and on each corner.
Its massive, its empty and has no content, and is linear as shit, you've just convinced me you haven't actually been to Gran Pulse yourself.
>>320588128
Optional battles and treasure chests and a chocobo. That's literally all that's there.
>>320587296
I read that in dunkey's voice
>>320587751
It's the BEST GAME EVAR!!1! now that it's on PC. Everyone who played it on PS3 knows how shit the game is
>>320588389
>It's the BEST GAME EVAR!!1! now that it's on PC
That's LR. 13 was shit.
>>320585786
ah I see what you did there. Here i'll play along too
>>320585786
the game for 99% of its playtime consists of walking into a particular direction and then spamming x during battles because they are so trivial.
the story and characters are completely uninteresting.
yeah great game
>>320585786
13 was pretty awful
13-2 is a hit or miss depending on who you ask
Lightning Returns is legit good
>>320586131
What do you mean with bad level design?
You con only walk on the levels outside of battles, there were linear corridors since level design doesn't matter in these kind of games, art and graphics matter
Good, so faggots like yiu can't grind their problems away. Git fucking gud
Explore what? Why would anyone explore? Everytime they slow down to catch their breath the military almost kills them
You couldn't possibly control more than one character at a time since the combat happens in real time. It's like complaining Kingdom Hearts doesn't let you control Donald and Goofy together with Sora at the same time
>>320586493
You just had to pick art with those 2 didn't you?
>>320589118
Kingdom Hearts can get away with it because they actually made it fun
>>320589336
XIII is fun
>>320587870
Are you a masochist?
>>320589471
That would be a lie.
>>320589568
Nah, he's just gay
Final fantasy 7
It's literally the best game of ALL TIME with amazing story, music and visuals... and yet... and yet... there are "people" who didn't enhoy it
I'm still INSANELY MAD that it lost against fucking undermeme. ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>320589609
No it was fun
The real time aspect made it the most tense and engaging FF to date
Obviously LR was even better from that point of view
>>320589672
>average undermeme underageb&
nice
>>320589672
>getting mad that a flavor of the month game won a dumb internet poll
>getting surprised that a flavor of the month game won a dumb internet poll
>Lightning will never fuck you in the ass with her giant black dick as she calls you a disgusting pig
>>320589939
OP you disgusting bastard
>>320589827
It's amazing how dumb polls and retarded VGAs can suddenly become relevant in an argument
>>320589997
Yes, tell me more
To those who say that level caps were a problem, did you actually play the game or do you just spout off what other people say? When I first heard of it I thought it would be annoying, but when I played the game, I learned that the level cap was so high at all levels of the game that it practically didn't exist and you had to grind A LOT to reach the level cap.
FFXIII was the second FF I actually got somewhere in. It was so fucking boring. How can anyone enjoy playing this?
>>320590613
Congrats, you realized that a lot of people didn't actually play this game
I'm starved for JRPG on PC, should I play the FFXIII trilogy?
>>320591530
Yes it's good.
>>320585786
I didn't play XIII but I have Lightning Returns and watched a synopsis of the first 2 on Youtube and the story is pretty cool but also very retarded but still p cool.
>>320591036
So if someone doesn't like it it means that they didn't play the game? ok
Level caps weren't even a problem because why would anyone grind at this? especially when the enemies you face will most likely be the ones that are in the straight line and there isn't room to explore and fight more?
The game is ass and the level caps have nothing to do with it
>>320591530
Sure but XIII-2 has annoying unstable performance
Fps varies from 60 to 20 for reasons unknown
>>320591632
>level caps weren't even a problem
Are you sure? The XIII haters seem to think otherwise
I mean look at >>320586131
Make up your mind guys, is it a problem or not? Or are you just so shit at video games you need to grind away the challenge?
>>320592004
If one person complains about it then it means that all people hate it? are the people who dislike 13 a uni-mind to you?
I'd assume that you are falseflagger to make 13 lovers look retarded but I don't know if anyone would even bother
The level cap is irrelevant to me because I never grind and never reached it, so I don't care. I can see the argument against it because it's just another way that the game just keeps you in a linear and limited track
To be fair the 13 battle system is alright and the graphics are nice, too bad that pretty much everything else in the game sucks
No, it sucks. It could have been good, but they made it about as linear as you can get and on top of that stretched it out for far longer than it needed to be. XIII-2 is the better game, but the plot/characters are way worse, save for the main villain Caius who is probably the best FF villain we've had for a while. Haven't played LR yet.
I liked the story, characters, cutscenes, and environments.
Unfortunately, the gameplay is way too linear. I know there's an open overworld, but it practically isn't until the end of the game.
Also, the combat is so easy it's not even fun. The only way to make it fun is by arbitrarily switching paradigms over and over, even though you could kill all your opponents more efficiently by just sticking to one paradigm and auto-attaching over and over.
In other words, story and tone were great. Gameplay was terrible, and in the end, a game is only as good as it's gameplay.
>>320585786
13 was not good by any means
>>320585786
You first, OP.
Post a game that was actually good. I'm waiting.
I think the plot and characters get way more shit than they deserve, but otherwise it's really no good.
>>320589672
>got in smash, a remake, and is still upset
there is no pleasing ff7 retards.
>>320593151
I dissagree, lightning and hope just shit on everything that is fun and interesting for their inner angst.
>>320587091
As an open world fps, it is.
As a role-playing game, it's not.
>>320593083
>story and tone were great. Gameplay was terrible
you got it completely backwards. if there is anything salvageable from the mess known as FF13 is the battle system
Don't get me wrong, the game is still shit despite it's acceptable battle system
>>320585786
>atrociously uninteresting story line with the L'cie, Fal'cie, or whatever the fuck they are with tattoos
>horribly linear map that is only broken up by the occasional cutscene
This was the worst and most disgusting offense in my opinion, I was literally fucking furious with myself for buying the game once I realized the map wasn't ever going to have any semblance of branching pathways.
>unlikable characters that are all whiney cunts except the black guy with a chocobo in his 'fro.
>combat is boring and switching between party stances/whatever the fuck they were called gets crazy obnoxious
Fuck that game, and fuck shills like you that are still trying to perpetuate the lies that it was a good game.
>mfw all the rationale people are offering in defense of this game is complete bullshit and is backed by nothing other that the sentiment "Nah, you're wrong."
>>320593356
>acceptable battle system
If by "acceptable", you mean "playable", then I agree with you. It certainly is playable, but it's far too easy and boring to have any fun with.
>>320585906
It's honestly one of the most boring games I've ever played. That other anon is right. It took me over 2 months to beat because I didn't want to play it.
>>320593297
Yeah that was kind of Lightning's thing.
Hope was just trash, no one debates that.
>>320593215
Are you taking seriously a post with really loud opinions that says "IT'S NOT FAIR"?
It is just the latest shitposting fad
>>320585906
Essentially, it's a very linear jrpg, which the west didn't like at all and it has a fairly slow pacing as well.
There's also many people who didn't understand, or bother to understand its demanding combat system.
Some people may not like it, but it's far from being a bad game.
>All these haters talking shit
To the guy who is going around ITT repeating the "Only kiddos who don't know any better or stupid graphicsfags like FFXIII" meme, I'll have you know I am in my late-20's, have played JRPGs all my life, and could not give a rats ass about graphics, but I am enjoying FFXIII because it takes place in a fascinating world that I want to know more about and has an interesting story that tends to give you just enough info to keep you wanting more as you progress through the game.
Also, the combat system is interesting and unique, definitely worth the time experiencing. I'm sorry you're an ADD fuck who can't sit back and enjoy a great story.
>>320593356
both were horrible
1 the story threw you in the middle of a story with out an understanding of what's going on, and to understand the story, instead of making it apart of the story they put all the important info in text and expect you to do homework.
2 battle system was awful it was press x then switch with a trigger button, the computer did everything hell there was an auto bottom so you didn't have to do anything.
3 the characters were terrible set aside a few. lightning hates snow because he couldn't protect her from an omni potent god creature that picks people at radon from a far off location. yeah thanks snow from not stopping the invisible intangible hand of god. Hope is another piece of shit who was too wuss to take a gun and spray and pray. Fuck if his mom forced him to man the fuck up she'd be alive. but no its snows fault too.
So.
How long until threads defending Sonic 06?
>>320586575
It was comfy at first, but then I found myself knee-deep in skeletons. Seriously, I've been fighting my way through hordes of these fuckers for hours now and I'm fed up with this shit. The Dead Dunes suck ass.
>>320593613
I can't stand a character that blames others for shit that's not their fault, it's a terrible character trait and shouldn't be on for the MC
>>320593779
>lightning hates snow because he couldn't protect her from an omni potent god creature that picks people at radon from a far off location
...No?
>>320592767
I'm just pointing out how haters criticize everything in XIII
You said the battle system is alright but people complained about the combat too
I've seen complaints about the characters but I've seen every single character defended to death as well especially Sazh
I've seen the story being criticized and people defending the story explaining why it's simply the "in medias res style" that confuses people
I've seen people criticize the art and other people praising the art
I'm not expressing my opinion on the game but I have played the entire trilogy multiple times and have a pretty thorough knowledge of it and I've come to the conclusion that after 6 years the criticism has been repeated so many times by people who haven't played the games that what might have been actual well foumded complaints have been distorted and twisted in a cesspool of memespoutong and uninformed bias
Which brings us to this last year, where first time players who have played the game very recently are arguing with the hivemind that hasn't even played the game
I actually played it again on pc and verified that the people who vehemently bash the game are very uninformed
>>320593853
Well alright.
>>320593864
then why was she mad at snow
>>320593928
Because Snow was a terrorist and she didn't want Serah being with him
>>320593895
I've played it, it was horrible, the worst one that was made.
>>320593928
You would know this if you had played the game past the first two chapters.
Granted I don't blame you since the game sucks but don't go popping off like you know shit when you don't.
>>320593779
>the story threw you in the middle of a story with out an understanding of what's going on
That's part of FFXIII's charm. This game is really something else. It truly feels like you're being pursued and that you have no choice but to run and try to survive. You're thrown into the fray immediately, have to fight your way through to the next map, and are given bits and pieces of backstory/info/plot development as the game goes on. This is done very well in my opinion, and I'm pretty picky about the games I play. Maybe you're just a lazy fuck who wants everything handed to you on a silver platter?
>>320593779
It was Snow's fault that so many people died there including Hope's mom
Remember that heroes don't need plans and just need to go in guns blazing, if there are casualties and everything fails then whatever
Snow deserves all the hate he gets and more
>>320594057
Exactly the kind of memespouting I was talking about
>>320586317
>>completely false
>Beating a chapter boss removes the current roadblock and sets up another one
Eat shit.
>>320594048
>terrorist
the entire time she was pissed at him for not protecting serah. that was it that's all she had, if she just hated his character for being upbeat then fuck her in the asshole.
>>320594087
I've played the entire story, the only reason she hated him further was his upbeat attitude.
>>320594249
>I've played the entire story
Far be it from me to doubt you.
>>320594171
Except that if it weren't for Snow fighting against the government everyone would have died in the purge with 0 chamce of survival
Hope was stupid, it's barely forgivable because he was a 14yo kid but Snow did nothing wrong
>>320594098
You're right, EVERYONE else must be wrong about this game and you must just be a god damned genius who is capable of discerning the true depth that us plebians just can't contemplate.
Or... maybe you just have shit taste, an ego, and a bad case of buyer's remorse.
>>320594098
no, it's a hack job, if you want to start in the middle of something you don't continue with no explenation and and tell the player to do home work if you want it to make sense.
>>320594171
you do realize those people were being sent to be sacrificed right?
snow gave them a fighting chance
>>320594310
You seem like the kind of person who plays a TES and doesn't read any of the in-game books, then gets angry when he doesn't understand any of the background.
>>320594310
Nah, people just didn't play it
>>320585786
Zelda 2. Criminally underrated and misunderstood. The Npc's literally give you hints for everything in the game. There's only 2 really crptic things in the game, and that's a couplehidden npc locations and new kasuto being hidden in a forest block, that's it. Quite literally everything else is explained by npcs so you can go hunt the stuffs location. The adhd generation just hates it because it doesn't make ANY attempt whatsoever to hold their hand.
>>320594310
>Needs everything handed to him on a silver platter
>Scared of change and new ways of playing a game
>Doesn't like FFXIII because it's a different experience from what he's used to
The only ones with autism here are you and the other haters.
>>320594373
>waah I don't wanna read, that stuff is for nerds
The game fucking sucks but it's abundantly clear that a lot of people on /v/ have never played it and yet like to talk about how bad it is. I mean, they're right, but they have no fucking idea why, and it's painfully obvious.
And so you have this thread.
>>320594098
it's lazy as fuck for the developers to throw that information to the side and not make it part of the main fucking story, have you passed highschool yet because that's not what compotant writers do.
>>320594485
>and not make it part of the main fucking story
But it is?
>>320594463
>waaa people don't like my game because it's legitamatly terrible.
>waaah my childish understanding of story telling isn't shared by actual adults
>>320594485
Nigga you must literally be retarded, or simply haven't played the game at all. Everything that is explained in the database is also explained in-game. Multiple times, in fact. Kill yourself.
>>320594485
>have you passed highschool yet because that's not what compotant writers do
That's big talk coming from a guy who can't spell or use proper grammar to save his life.
>Trail pulls into the station
>Random guys get off, one of them is a weirdo with spikey blonde hair who jumps off instead of walking like a normal person
>They randomly start beating up soldiers for some unkown reason
>Next thing you know we're bombing a building like filthy disgusting terrorists, but wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry
WOW THIS GAME IS SO SHIT SUCH BAD STORYTELLING HOW DARE THEY THROW US INTO THE FRAY WITHOUT TELLING ME WHAT'S GOING ON
>>320586493
I haven't seen much hate for it except for the fps lock
(otherwise it was from epople who didn't play it and think we buy it for the demo)
>>320594562
no you have to go into the menu and find out what the Fuck they are talking about, if you write a story with thing in place you have to explain the thing that is in place with the confines of the script, if you don't and leave it all in the menus so you don't have to explain it in the main story then you fucked up.
>>320594572
kid don't even try to play this off they did, they didn't explain at all what that floating god thing was, they just called by its name and it turned people into crystals, that was it, you had to go into the menu to find everything. don't be fucking retarded
>>320594378
I read the in-game books and I *still* don't understand the background. TES lore is a nightmare.
>>320594378
I'm actually the kind of OCD person who reads EVERY single book in TES as I come across them and always get a mod to let me know which I've already read.
>>320594391
I played it, and agree with /v/'s general consensus that it was garbage and deserves no semblance of praise.
>>320594421
>haters
Right, not even gonna try with you mate. You have to be at least 18 to post on this website.
>>320594871
>I'm actually the kind of OCD person who reads EVERY single book in TES as I come across them and always get a mod to let me know which I've already read.
Then what's the issue here?
>>320594635
>big talk from a faggot who has to resort to spell check for their failure of an argument.
>>320594820
Nope, sorry, you're wrong. The characters talk about the fal'cie over and over again. The game makes it abundantly clear through the dialogue that there are Pulse Fal'Cie and Cocoon Fal'cie, and Pulse L'Cie are enemies of cocoon. They say it over and over again. You really are retarded, aren't you?
>>320594760
>Most shilled game in the universe
>Someone still manages to complain that a few people dislike it
>>320594635
when you are on a cell phone trying to reply quickly, you are bound to have a lot of typos faggot.
>>320594913
>has to resort to spell check
Just because you can't spell doesn't mean everyone else can't.
>failure of an argument
Don't flatter yourself. I don't argue with people who pull shit out of their ass.
>>320594983
>trying to reply quickly
Why not just take the time to type your post out? No one is rushing you.
>>320594909
I genuinely and truly didn't like any aspects of the FFXIII story line, even after I felt I had a general understanding of the plot and my character's supposed goals.
I merely clarified because you seemed to imply that I'm the kind of person who glosses over lore than complains about it. This isn't the case, I'm actually very much "into" lore and story is often times one of the best aspects of a game for me.
Despite knowing and understanding the FFXIII story line, I still think it was fucking stupid and the characters were extremely one dimensional and unlikable. I truly wanted Snow to fucking die every time he proclaimed he was a hero. What a fucking piece of shit game.
Fuck you faggots for even making me think about this hot garbage again with your bait thread.
>>320594936
I think you misunderstood me.
I was using FFVII as an example of how ridiculous the FFXIII haters are.
>>320585786
>game comes out on PS360
>everyone agrees that it's the worse Final Fantasy
>game comes out on steam
>OMG LITERALLY GOTY
And you fags still wonder why nobody likes you?
>>320585786
XIII wasn't near decent.
FUCK YOU, FUCK FAGGOT WHO THINKS THIS SHIT WAS 'not so bad'
>>320594925
>Nope, sorry, you're wrong. The characters talk about the fal'cie over and over again. The game makes it abundantly clear through the dialogue that there are Pulse Fal'Cie and Cocoon Fal'cie, and Pulse L'Cie are enemies of cocoon.
none of that explained what they are, they are just enemies of cocoon
they don't bother explaining why
they talk about them but don't explain what the fuck they are you fucking mongaloid. all they do is talk about how they choose people and then crystallize them. that's it, nothing about being so called gods or nothing about what they are, they just avoid that and talk how they are under the thumb of them. just enemies is not a fucking explination.
>>320595202
XIII was a great game, if not the best FF of all time.
>>320595252
Well no shit, sherlock, because the characters themselves don't know anything else besides the fact that they are supposed to be enemies of cocoon. If there's more to it, then we wouldn't know right off the bat, because neither do the protagonists. Why is this so hard for you to understand
>>320595124
>I genuinely and truly didn't like any aspects of the FFXIII story line, even after I felt I had a general understanding of the plot and my character's supposed goals.
You mistake me for someone who gives a shit and have completely missed the point of what I was trying to say. You take issue with anon's post saying that there isn't anything wrong with the game throwing you in the midst of the story without telling you exactly what's going on first and foremost, which is why I said what I did. I never said anything about the quality of the plot. Chill the fuck out.
>>320595326
BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PLAY THROUGH THE GAME
STOP REPLYING TO HIM
>>320595086
try doing it on a cell phone or fuck off kid
>>320595016
that's what happened jesus, your lack of understanding of how story telling works is astounding.
>>320595285
10/10 bait, would fish on /v/ with.
>>320585906
Just internet social phenomenon at it's best. Sits somewhere between a religion and a meme. They don't really care for the game if they don't like it, but they love it, not for the great game it is, but for the efficient tool of internet agression it is.
>>320585786
Pic not related?
>>320585906
>Mfw FFVI is my favorite game of all time
>Still liked XIII
Come at me faggots.
>>320595474
No thanks, we'd rather avoid you entirely.
>>320595387
>that's what happened jesus, your lack of understanding of how story telling works is astounding.
You keep saying that and yet you've provided no argument as to why it doesn't work like that or how it actually works.
![1129662450-00[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d7brXrd.jpg "1129662450-00[1].jpg")
>>320585786
Kinda off topic but I knew the industry had become cancerous the moment this series died.Seriously hope you all enjoy your karma
When someone tried to bring it back and make their own game engine at the same time it was like I was watching the industry begin it's final death phase.
>>320595157
There is a big difference between the way the story is told in 7 and 13, even FF6 also starts the same way but the difference is that they get you up to speed pretty quickly after the game begins
>>320595387
>try doing it on a cell phone or fuck off kid
How about you calm your tits and take your time trying to type out your post?
Or just not post from a phone, "kid."
>>320595337
no you fucking moron, the issue is that they didn't explain anything to you while you were in the middle of the story, they didn't do any of that they just went pew pew look out some weird ass spelled monster is here to kill us. pew pew oh no now we're weird ass spelled monsters now because of our tattoos! why? that's not important if you want to know so bad read the endless pages of shit in the menu screen.
stop trying so hard to hide your ignorance, you don't know what your talking about and only love this game because it's your first final fantasy and had pretty graphics.
>>320585786
>Pic unrelated
>>320585906
Terrible nonsense story,
Horrible cast where everyone but Fang and Sazh are completely unlikeable. Vanille's voice acting is fucking horrid.
The first 20 hours of the game are an extended tutorial where you have barely any control.
The first 20 hours are nothing but corridors. Literally nothing but corridors where you walk forward and fight a few enemies in between cutscenes. No towns, no exploration, a handful of NPCs that you can't even really interact with.
Following the first 20 hours you're then dumped into a large world where you wander around triggering cutscenes until you can progress again. Then you walk from the Steppe down more corridors to the ending.
You get access to a bunch of sidequests that are all just extermination quests.
Weapon crafting and ingredient grinding is shit.
The battle system is shit, being nothing but staggering enemies and then rushing them, with nothing but the final bonus bosses requiring any thought at all.
The crystarium is a shit character progression system and it's just a watered down version of 10's sphere grid.
Blinded By Light is the only memorable song on the entire soundtrack.
>>320594635
>not knowing of some famous writers who couldn't into grammar or spelling
Looks like you should of paid more attention to history class in high school.
>>320595474
What is that supposed to say or prove?
>>320595642
Such as?
>>320595539
no it didn't work that's why it's hated you fucking nitwit. you asked why it was hated? well there is your answer, it's easy for you to understand because you don't care how story works as long it has pretty graphics and panders to your adolescent angst
>>320585786
You should start with one, OP.
>>320595610
>no you fucking moron, the issue is that they didn't explain anything to you while you were in the middle of the story
You can keep saying this as much as you want but that won't make it true. I know you've heard that FFXIII is shit, and it is, but don't act like you know all about it when you haven't even played it.
>>320595662
It says that XIII's a good game.
>>320595694
Here is a whole list:
http://www.onlinecollegecourses.com/2012/01/24/15-famous-thinkers-who-couldnt-spell/kindly gtfo now
>>320595714
>it's easy for you to understand because you don't care how story works as long it has pretty graphics and panders to your adolescent angst
Can you give a reason that doesn't rely on insults?
>>320595625
You are so full of shitThe Barthandelus theme was good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH5QcBC0G28
You are right about everything else
>>320595694
James Joyce
>>320595778
Alright.
So what?
>>320595753
actually it is, you can cover your ears all you want kid and scream lalalalalalala, but if you know story telling, that's not how it works, it is as bad a fanfiction on deviant art, you don't drop a reader a player or any one watching in the middle of something and not explain it properly. if you don't it's considered a terrible plot.
>>320595869
You are a dumb ignorant faggot like we all were at some point. Let go of your ego and embrace your ignorance. It is the truest path to enlightenment.
>>320595774
>>320595897
And yet at no point in this thread have you ever actually explained why it doesn't work. You continue to talk about things that may be true but you don't know the first thing about them so all you do is throw insults out.
>>320595897
For the record sometime fanfiction can be pretty awesome.
I'm thinking dbz and those crazy non-canon fusions
>>320595941
That doesn't really answer my question. Let's try this again.
So what? What does this prove in the current situation?
>>320585906
Because it's a huge fucking disappointment that promises much more than it delivers and rubs most people who ever liked a Final Fantasy game the wrong way.
>>320595814
I can say for you the same thing kid, but you seem to argue for the sake of arguing, you've been told to death countless times why you don't write like that, it's concisered a hack job and isn't looked too fondly if you rely on pretty graphics to detract you about the story.
>>320596065
>you've been told to death countless times why you don't write like that, it's concisered a hack job and isn't looked too fondly if you rely on pretty graphics to detract you about the story.
see >>320595980
>>320585860
Can we have some of those amazing character design sheets up in here?
>>320596037
Read my post again. If it doesn't make sense after that or you still feel your question has not been answered you are just legitimately stupid and there is no hope.
>kid
>kid
>kid
>kid
>kid
>kid
I'm starting to sense some projection here.
>>320595603
So does FFXIII.
You learn pretty quickly that you were on the train because you were being purged, which is just a code word for being exterminated, and now you're fighting for survival. It's all spelled out for you.
>>320594760
It's called "in medias res". FF13 doesn't do it right, because it heavily relies on flashbacks.
Nice try, illiterate cunt.
>>320596037
>So what? What does this prove in the current situation?
The foundation of your argument is flawed. What did you think it meant?
>>320596152
Ah, the "you wouldn't understand" excuse. I called anon a hypocrite when he insulted someone, saying that they hadn't passed high school, when it was clear he could barely string a sentence together, which is evidenced even more in this post >>320596065. Notice how spelling wasn't the only thing I noted was wrong.
Now, let's try again.
So what?
>>320595403
If it doesn't get any replies (except your shitty cocksucking), it's not good bait.
This thread is like that episode of Sealab where Sparks tells stormy about the pod with all the tubes, and then Stormy explains it in detail to Hesh like he's been there but in actuality he just heard about it.
>>320596280
You think spelling and grammar dictates whether or not what someone has said is true, or has any validity at all. Which is a logical fallacy.
>>320596423
>You think spelling and grammar dictates whether or not what someone has said is true, or has any validity at all
That's funny, because I don't!
I was merely calling an angry little faggot out on his hypocrisy.
>>320596378
I thought you were going to reference the episode where the entire lab gets crushed under the pressure of the water. It's kinda like how the retarded posts crushed this thread.
>>320596471
>notice how spelling wasn't the only thing I noted was wrong
What does incorrect spelling have to do with showing that he is a hypocrite?
Absolutely nothing.
>>320595980
jesus, you don't bother even reading what I told you and this is why people thing you are still a child.
you don't leave important information out of the main story and force the player to look up the rest to make sense of a story, if the story is good and the writer is good, they would explain everything in a few scenarios, but in this case they didnt. what they ended up doing was cut important information out so you can sit there and watch their pretty graphics do it. if you have a competent writer then you have a situation then the effect then the explination with in a scenario, 13 didn't do that and left the player going, "what the fuck is a L'Cie? am I one? or am I that alien thing floating in the sky? why couldn't they just say, look up there it's the god thing that makes us hate pulse, what's pulse? oh its a planet below us.. wait where are we? oh well we're on the moon or something that orbits pulse I don't know." it's usually called back story in which it takes 3 minutes to explain. the world and what's going on, in 13 they don't bother and they keep throwing out made up words for names of the enimeis. so that again is what's wrong with the fucking story. back story could have explained it all but instead you get unexplained chaos.
>>320596378
No this thread is more like that episode of Sealab where Sparks tells Stormy about how great FFXII is despite everyone else having played it and unanimously agreeing upon it being shit. Stormy then explains why it is shit in detail to Hesh, who made a thread on an anonymous imageboard with shitty bait attempting to stir up shitflinging about the game.
Hesh laughs at the drama he caused, Sparks pisses and moans that everyone else is full of shit and FFXII is a god-send that they are too stupid to appreciate, and Stormy gets angry.
One of my favorite episodes, to be sure.
>>320596201
This. I don't even particularly care about XII's story but people who couldn't figure out roughly what was going on within an hour or two are retarded. I never even glanced at the datalog and was multitasking during most of the cutscenes I didn't outright skip and I was still able to follow the story. A lot of shit is explicitly explained in cutscenes ans everything else is simple enough to figure out from context. That's not to say the writing is necessarily good, but it isn't bad for the reasons people tend to bring up.
>>320596280
this is why we know your logic can't hold water since you are so focused on spelling a grammer.
>I have no points to make so I'll attack is grammer.
>>320596589
That was by far the lamest thing I have read all day.
Kill yourself.
I gotta go wash my eyes with bleach now.
>>320596580
>jesus, you don't bother even reading what I told you and this is why people thing you are still a child.
I read what you said. You never actually explained why it doesn't work. You just said it doesn't and threw out insults. And look, you just did it again. Well, guess what? Now I'm not going to read what you have to say, because I know from experience, time and time again, that it's just going to be a long paragraph doing the same shit.
>>320596471
what hypocrisy? spelling? wow you are a giant faggot
>>320596664
Do it, faggot. Then we won't have to read your shit posts outside of you using Dragon software.
>>320596712
>got explanation
>still denies it
>wonders why people call him a faggot
>>320596538
Because, like I just said (but you decided to conveniently ignore), in insulted someone for not being able to pass high school and yet he can barely string a sentence together (which is generally something you need to be able to do to pass high school). Hypocrisy.
>>320596719
see aboe
>>320596661
What logic?
>>320596812
>see aboe
wow you sure got me kiddo, now who's being a hypocrite
>>320585786
Final Fantasy XIII would have been better as a TV series or an OVA.
>>320596793
If there was an explanation in that post, it will go unread. Sorry, I'm tired of listening to you lash out like a child. If you can't make a point without calling your opposition names, then what you have to say has no value to me.
>>320596812
I'm not sure you know what hypocrisy means dude.
>>320596812
>what logic?
exactly you have none that's why your argument holds no water
>>320585860
>that title
How'd they manage to do that?
>>320595157
Except the basic concept of FF XIII's world go unexplained for several hours unless you read the codex. FF VII makes it very clear, very soon, that you're a mercenary working with environmental terrorists.
>>320596939
A different time.
>>320596892
hahahah
>>320596856
Yep, looks like I fucked that one up. Still going to just conveniently ignore everything else though, huh?
>>320596896
>noun
>the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
His standard: the opposition has not passed high school.
His behavior: inability to string together a sentence. An ability necessary to pass high school, generally.
Behavior is not conforming to the standard.
>>320596938
What argument? I wasn't arguing against what he had to say.
>>320597031
>moral standards
Confirmed you don't know.
Kill yourself you dumb faggot.
>>320596580
Your entire argument is based on things they supposedly didn't say or do, but had you played the game, you would know they actually did.
>>320597031
yeah you were by ignoring what he said because your feeling got hurt on the internet.
>>320585823
>People hate Undertale
Is this a new meme?It's one of the most praised games of 2015.
>b-but muh /v/
Yeah, because a few anons on /v/ counts as the popular opinion.
>>320597069
Can you explain why or are you just saying I don't?
>>320597108
>ignoring what he said
Naturally. I wasn't involved in the argument. I'm glad you understand.
>>320596995
You're wrong.
See >>320596201
>>320597102
no they didnt, where in the actual story, not in the codex did they explain what was going on? no where. you can do simple back story to explain, he'll ff10 did it well, I hate the game bit the story was actually pretty solid.
>>320597150
I fucking did.
In the first lint of the damn post.
>moral standards
>MORAL
This isn't hard.
>>320597150
I think that's what the problem is if you had no stake in the conversation you never needed to but in like an ignorant animal.
>>320597198
It was done over the course of the story in many, many cutscenes. Granted they kind of took forever to get it all out but it was there.
>>320597253
then name one! because all they say is that their the enemy. and what happens when humans don't fulfill their task. that was it nothing about the world nothing about what pulse was or what cacoon was. nothing
>>320597240
What about the word "moral?" Are you saying that the standard is not a moral standard?
>>320597248
I do have a stake, and it's the fact that I absolutely despise people who talk shit to people for doing something and then do it themselves. I truly, truly hate them, with all of my being, and I think it is important that they know that they are bottom-of-the-barrel trash. Yes, it does make me mad, so don't bother with the meme.
Or is that not good enough for you.
>>320585823
>Undertale
>Hated
Even on fucking /v/ of all places most of the haters will admit it's a legit good game. Just overrated.
>>320596892
Literally reddit.
>>320597168
Except you don't know why, by what sort of system, in what sort of civilization, because the game tells you fuck all. You have no idea how to empathise with the characters because you have zero context besides the fact you're being hunted.
>>320597374
Alright. It's been a while so I'm not entirely sure, but what I'm remembering is the scene where Lightning is explaining to Hope the function of Carbuncle. I think that was also the seen where she had a bit of an epiphany, realizing that the resources that the fal'cie provide are crucial to the survival of humans on the planet. What I'm not remembering is why she decided to still knock them all out regardless, but they sure did. Probably something about how it was unhealthy to rely on them, or whatever.
>>320597383
Are you seriously asking me that? No, it's obviously not a moral standard you fucking idiot.
Do we need to go over what morals are too? Or can you just admit you made a mistake and learn from it instead of acting like a cunt.
>that moment when you realize you stayed up all night arguing with stupid people
>but it's okay because you woke up in the afternoon yesterday anyway so everything worked out
>>320585786
No, FF13 was not good at all.
>>320597462
It tells you ALL of that information. The people of cocoon have an irrational fear of Pulse due to a war that took place a while ago and an understanding of the world below as one where everything is basically evil. That hysteria in the populace transfer up into the government, or so they say, leading to radical solutions like the Purge whenever the fear of pulse influence becomes too great. It is literally ALL explained right there, multiple times, both in the database and in the dialogue. You also learn why people like Lightning, Snow and Hope were even there in the first place. It's all spelled out for you. Either you didn't play it, didn't pay attention, or you're just plain dumb.
>>320597383
wah wah wah my SJW standards aren't welcome here wah wah wah.
if you can't figure out that 4chan isn't the place for people who same fags or for kids then you need to go.
get off your fucking high horse kid,no one gives a a flying fuck about your special snowflake feelings, no one needs your fucking protection or want your help so get the fuck over yourself. you are only posting for the sake of your own self inflated ego
>>320597630
Literally my life. Don't know why I waste so much time on this shithole.
>>320585786
Horribly linear
>b-but after 20 hours there is a map!
Too little, too late.
Retarded story
>SERAH!
Absolutely embarassing combat system, abysmal roles taken from MMOs but even worse
>>320597620
Yes, let's go over what a "moral" is.
There are four definitions, two nouns and two verbs, and the ones I'd like to look at are as follows:
>adjective
>holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.
>noun
>a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
So, we can establish, based on these definitions, that a "moral" standard is one that is based on proper conduct and acceptable behavior.
Anon believes it is proper conduct to have graduated from high school. That's why he uses the concept that someone hasn't as an insult. This is his standard of proper conduct, or his "moral standard."
>>320597762
Those tits
>>320597565
how though? how do they supply it? do they fart it out? again, that doesn't explain what they are.
>>320597762
>SJW standards
Literally what does this have to do with anything I said, ever?
>get off your fucking high horse kid
Why should I? I'm not allowed to have standards?
>no one gives a a flying fuck about your special snowflake feelings, no one needs your fucking protection or want your help so get the fuck over yourself
You are mistaken if you believe that I am worried about people caring about my feelings or that I want to protect or help people. I post solely to satisfy myself. Not because I have an "inflated ego," but because I want to. And why shouldn't I?
How about you get off your high horse?
