So, the A.I. in Blackjack outright cheats.
For those that don't play Blackjack, the Dealer in most situations draws 2 cards but only one card is "face up". The second card is kept hidden until all betting parties have either surrendered or have their final hands.
In the case of any player taking Blackjack, the round ends immediately after all betting players have been hit.
But in New Vegas the A.I. will end a round immediately if the Dealer's hand is Blackjack, before the player finishes their hand. Which means you can't break even with the A.I. unless you both randomly happen to draw Blackjack when first dealt.
It also outright confirms the A.I. is "counting cards" which is fairly obvious given that Luck is a huge factor of the pseudo-RNG for gambling, but it's kind of funny that the developers didn't even try to hide it.
Damn shame too, since RDR had much better simulated gambling even with much worse and blatant A.I.
Anyways, New Vegas thread?
>>320581126
Gambling is literally luck based, as in it counts your luck stat. Get 10 LUK and break the bank motherfucker.
itt: op has no idea how gambling in NV works
best pistol?
>>320581271
7 luck is enough to get blackjack every other hand
>>320581126
Daily threads about a particular game belong in /fog/.
>>>/vg/
>>320581271
No fucking shit, sherlock? Are you actually this dense?
The post has nothing to do with gambling percentage. At all.
>>320581460
No, Obsidian has no idea how gambling rules work irl (or more likely overlooked something in the programming)
>>320581460
Lucky or the Mormon Critstick
/thread
>>320581640
It does because you aren't playing a blackjack game you are roleplaying a blackjack game.
>>320581814
Kek
It's even funnier to me because the Blackjack dealers break their own table rules. The table rule says Dealer has to hit soft 17 and they literally don't, even if you don't bust out
>>320581640
you're literally trying to make the argument that the dealer's AI is broken but you're overlooking the fact that it applies to you too.
>ai will end a round immediately if their hand is a blackjack
same for you
this doesn't prove that they're counting cards however so please elaborate on that
>>320582198
Anon
The round is SUPPOSED to end whenever a betting player draws 21. That's real Blackjack rules
But the A.I. will end rounds when the Dealer draws 21 despite the fact that one of the cards is face down, meaning it shouldn't 'know' the dealer drew 21 yet, which means all cards and their orders are pre-determined and used to call rounds before they're "played" so to speak.
So the outcome of each round is pre-determined when you hit Deal
I can't make it any simpler
>>320582495
>So the outcome of each round is pre-determined when you hit Deal
No shit, it's a fucking minigame not a Blackjack Simulator
>>320582791
Again, RDR had a better system and it had nowhere near as much focus on gambling.
I'm not bitching about the obviously unrealistic %s because I get that's the point, just very let down that so little attention was paid to basic gambling rules like
>>320582056
Why are you faggots arguing about a point you both agree on
>>320583004
Because apparently even minor criticism, or even just "hey this is a kinda funny/odd imperfection" sends fanboys into incoherent rage
That and apparently very few people on /v/ play cards or even card games
>>320583134
If anybody's in the middle of an incoherent rage it's you, kiddo.
>>320582495
oh, i understand what you mean now. my bad.
>>320583313
Nowhere in any of my posts have I been angry, accusatory, or upset at the game
>he thinks other adults get angry at videogames
Wowzers laddy
>>320583317
If this post is real then I am very confused
>>320581271
>gambling is based on luck
>the more luck you have, the better your chances are to win
Makes actually sense desu senpai
>>320584919
From a roleplay perspective, yeah, but mathematically not so much
Plus, it's really frustrating when a low Luck character translates to just "dealer draws perfect hand every time" or "you always bust"
Wish they could have been a little more creative with how Luck works
>>320585646
I'm surprised no one has made a mod for this yet, actually.
>9 luck + lucky shades
>walk into casino
>play slots
>get 3 oranges on the first spin
>get another 3 oranges a couple of spins later
>get kicked out
>>320581126
What? If a dealer draws a ten or an ace, he immediately checks to see if he has blackjack.
>>320581126
Damn you one retarded motherfucker.
Just getting into this after fo4 (never played after 3) which mods are a must have?
>>320586170
This is exactly my problem with the gambling
There's literally NO Sunk-Cost Fallacy. I you have Luck, you will always win. If you don't you always lose. There's no reason for a low-Luck character to EVER gamble because there's never even a slight possibility that you can recoup a loss, or the nagging "just one more round" feeling.
Even at 5 Luck the game isn't at all neutral when it comes to gambling
>>320581126
actually it is just based on your luck skill.
if you have 7-8 luck you will get most of the cards you need to 21.
>>320586339
Sorry i just read the full post , i will leave now
>>320586205
Nope. The betting players are supposed to finish their hands first so that there's a possibility to Draw with the Dealer even if you don't draw immediate Blackjack
Plus, the Dealer will end the turn even if the upright card is a 10 or Face Card I'm fairly sure
>>320586315
5 luck is completely random
the games are just naturally stacked against you
>>320581126
>Complaining about gambling in NV
Are you shitting me, nigga? Even with base 5 luck, Lucky shades + sexy sleepwear + Luck implant basically guarantees 21's in blackjack when you double down. If it takes you more than 15 minutes to get kicked out of every casino, you're doing it wrong.
desu senpai
>>320581613
Fuck off /fog/ is shit and we're talking about gambling
>get kicked out of casino
>kill everyone in the casino
>im not allowed to gamble
what the fuck obsidian
>>320586495
Anon please learn to read
>>320586474
No, you're completely wrong. A dealer will check his other card straight away if he draws a ten or an ace. If its blackjack, he calls it straight away. Trust me, I've played enough blackjack.
>>320586789
I have literally never had that be a rule in Blackjack, and like youI've played plenty of Blackjack.
That said, I don't play Casinos, so maybe it's a house edge thing.
Either way, it certainly doesn't explain
>>320582056
Either way, guess I learned something today
Damn now I need to go check if the RDR Blackjack follows that rule, I could swear they don't
>>320586789
this
this entire thread is full of fuck
fags
i realized the gambling system was rigged when i kept winning double downs.
then i just got bored and left. i did barter build so i was just blowing caps for fun, i don't need that chump change.
>But in New Vegas the A.I. will end a round immediately if the Dealer's hand is Blackjack, before the player finishes their hand
That's what happens in real life too. Except some casinos allow you to invest in "insurance" so if the dealer does hit 21, you don't lose your chips.
Reminder that if a dealer has an ace or a ten, he immediately checks for a blackjack, which, if he does have it, he immediately calls. If you disagree with this, you are objectively wrong. Every real casino in the modern world uses this rule. That's what insurance is for.
>Which means you can't break even with the A.I. unless you both randomly happen to draw Blackjack when first dealt.
>break even
>gambling
>fair
Why would the house host a game they would not win over 50% of the time?
Blackjack is literally the easiest game to play in the casinos, how can anyone even fail? While a few extra points in luck and the Naughty Sleepwear are necessary to do it within a reasonable amount of time, simply playing smart will have you win consistently enough to earn SOMETHING.
>For those who don't play Blackjack, New Vegas Blackjack is wrong because the house wins on blackjack unless player ties with a blackjack.
Those are the rules of Blackjack. Congratulations you are retarded.
>>320587725
Casino rules, specifically. Someone whose never played against a House could easily make that mistake, especially since NV doesn't have insurance
>>320581126
If you want really fucked up Black Jack, play Phantasy Star Online 2.
Fuckin' dealer hits on 17+
>>320586474
Guess who doesn't know wtf Blackjack is.
Blackjack is a 10 or face card with an ace. It is completely different from drawing 21. If the dealer gets blackjack the game is over and players can only push if they were also dealt blackjack.
I love how sure you were of something where you were totally fucking wrong.
>>320587919
Dealer doesn't even have to hit 17 in NV, even uf the table rule explicitly says they do
Also, NV dealers will sometimes just end their hand early if you have 20 or a 3-card 21 without even trying to draw even despite the fact they lose nothing by doing so
Is this the New Vegas thread or just bitching about gambling mechanics?
Anyways, I just got to The Strip and am prepping to go fuck up Benny but I have low sneak and no holdout weapons. What do?
Also, I really need a suit for when I go fuck him up
>>320587908
>Casino rules...b-b-but my special Blackjack rules...
And also literally everywhere else that is the rule as well. TIL 4chan is so retarded they don't know how to play a game that most children know.
>>320581126
just wait til you play the roulette tables
>>320581126
>blackjack
literally a degenerates game
play roulette instead, with that you can at least control the odds
>>320588530
Wut
There's no reason to ever have an insurance or dealer check rule if you're not playing a Casino or other serious gambling venue
Literally 99% of Blackjack games wouldn't have those rules
>>320588732
>Implying drawing 21 ties a blackjack.
>Literally several people have already explained it doesn't
Another "special" person with their own "special" blackjack rules.
>>320588507
Get cigarette butts
Get lighter
Click mouse button in dialogue with the gullible idiot Swank
Congratulations you can now shoot Benny, enjoy his suit for powergaming your skill distribution
>>320589065
>Implying drawing 21 ties a blackjack
That was never implied. The only statement I made was that unless you were playing Blackjack in a casino or gambling venue you wouldn't have a dealer check on Aces or Tens, so someone without gambling experience could easily fuck up like OP did.
I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.
>>320589328
I forgot to get the cigarrette butts back in Goodsprings.
Fuck
>>320588507
tell him you're going to wait in the suite
don't wait in the suite though, go to the floor where benny's room is located. Wait around the corner until he goes in, then go in behind him. He'll just go "baby I told you to wait in the suite". Once you're inside the room you can just fuck him up
>>320589556
Fast travel is based on a simple distance measurement rather than the actual route you'd have to take to not get eaten by monsters. Just go get em.
You don't need the butts, I think if your Speech is decent then you only need the lighter.
>>320581126
OP the dealer always checks to see if he has blackjack if he has a card with a value of 10 or an ace. Before he does this he offers insurance where you can match your initial bet to bet the dealer has 21. If he does you win the insurance bet + its value again. Basically you recoup your losses.
Regardless, in this scenario, if the dealer has blackjack, after insurance closes the game immediately ends and everyone but the dealer and those who got 21 on their first two cards loses.
The only people who can win in this scenario are those who got 21 right away, as that is paid out before the dealer ever checks.
I don't know why you are talking about CASINO shit when you clearly have never been to one.
