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Help, tips for Cloud. I wanna get better with him. What are strategies you use?
>>320573780
Look at his frame data.
never stop charging kaioken
spam your down tilt and up air
Charged Down special kills at really low percentages. Limits are your bread & butter
>>320574456
Not that big on the technological aspect in Smash, can ya elaborate?
Just start with a basic mesh, for fuck sake. Unless you're a newbie, sure go ahead to sculpt from scratch to learn the ropes, but it's not bad or looked down upon when you use a pre-made base mesh for time.
>>320574807
Killed Dark Pit at 39% yesterday. Felt fucking good.
m2king released a video on cloud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CFggYa_Gs
How does everyone feel about Cloud, in terms of how good he is
>One of the top 10 heaviest characters in game
>Somewhat fast without Limit Break, fucking Roy speed with it
>3 spikes, all 3 are fun and easy to use, with only one being really punishable
>Hitboxes are huge
>Not that much endlag on any of his moves, the only really punishable attacks are whiffed side special and down special with Limit Break
>That dash is just 2 good. So much better than Mega Man's, coincidentally
>Great combo potential because of N-air
>Kill options out the ass
I'm pretty sure he's at least Fox tier.
>>320575897
I play more aggressively with him, especially with the small endlag he has. I went from a DTilt to UTilt and Bair to UpB and Meteor Smashed. Amazing shit you can do with him.
>>320576325
He has lots of endlag in general.
His dash aint that good.
No combo throw
Trash Recovery
He's like B tier. Im still maining him though
>>320577473
Dash is fantastic. Even Zero and M2K agree
His grab is bad, and his throws are bad, but that's pretty much his only drawback (other than getting Sheik'd to death)
Most of his endlag comes from whiffed specials. The only other move with noticeable endlag is the F-air.
Recovery is pretty good if you have your Limit Break charged up, which I dunno why you wouldn't, unless, as I said before, you got Sheik'd.
>>320573780
asking for strats day one
>>320577903
Niggas are fast for strats
>>320577730
>Recovery is pretty good if you have your Limit Break charged up, which I dunno why you wouldn't, unless, as I said before, you got Sheik'd.
You say that as if limit break charges quickly, which it doesnt. Youre not always gonna have a full limit gauge especially if your opponent is putting alot of pressure on you.
>>320578918
It charges up pretty quickly, especially if you're trading blows. Without charging for it, I've managed to get it out at 60% with my opponent at 60%.
>>320579075
Having to wait until 60% is fast for you? Are you serious?
>>320575897
are you in the wrong thread
Does he have combos other then D-throw to X?
I've seen him to D-throw Reverse Side B or D-throw tech chase
Sakurai was too lazy to give anyone combos other then d-throw to X.
>>320579421
Down tilt to up tilt to up air works alot of the time.
>>320579225
60% is quick for Cloud, m8, and that's without charging. Cloud hits really hard, and he can scrounge up more Limit Break by using his down special.
>>320573780
tilts are basically your combo starters I've noticed(utilt combos into itself at low percents, late hit of dtilt combos into up air etc)
charge limit alot
short hop nairs for spacing since it has a weird hit box that throws people off
short hop up airs and up air in general is great
down throw can usually be followed up with a side tilt, side b or jab since with down throw characters go to the opposite side cloud is facing
mind game the fuck up of people when your limit is charge and go for a down b kill when the timing is right
from my experience so far anyone. i've played quite a few people both on anthers ladder and FG(a few of which were actually decent) and my win rate with cloud is pretty high. him being a new character probably factors into that but still
>>320579521
>Cloud hits really hard, and he can scrounge up more Limit Break by using his down special.
Woah, you don't say. Real thought provoking analysis right there. What will you say next? Sonic runs fast?
I dunno any of this lingo but here's what I do, if it helps.
down tilt is good to get 'em up in the air helpless for a time, so lead up with anything you fancy.
Cross-Slash I find to be useful getting multihits in, charges limit gauge relatively quicker than any of his other moves, but that's my shitty unlearned opinion.
Don't bother with Finishing Touch unless they whiffed a big attack.
Blade Beam is fucking brutal almost always use it, or alternatively charge your Limit Gauge to get them to come to you.
Climhazzard is actually powerful when in Limit Break, I actually got a few kills with it.
>>320577473
>No Combo Throw
You can down throw to cross clash at early %
>>320576325
>no throw combos
>ass recovery
This is what kills him
He could do 40% with every hit and he would still lose to characters with throw combos because this game revolves around them
>>320579961
>Cross-Slash...charges limit gauge relatively quicker than any of his other moves
B moves don't charge limit bar with the exception of down b
>>320580884
well then my mistake
>>320573780
If you need help playing Cloud, you really are beyond saving. Cloud is OP as fuck right now,
>>320579808
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>>320581302
>>320581785
>getting mad over a childrens party game
top kek, sport :)
>>320581963
>Only states the obvious like dumbass
>Only retorts are to spout buzzwords like autism and kek
>>320576226
>Advent Children outfit
>this is the cool costume
aaaand closed
>>320582143
simmer down there, champ :)
Don't have to get all riled up before bed time. You got school tomorrow right?
>>320582291
It's m2k. He hasn't even played FFVII, but he's the best for tutorials.
Hey quick question
I've spent the better part of this night downloading the update for Smash because shit internet
Is downloading the DLC characters part of this update and when I purchase the character it'll be immediately available to me? Or am I going to have to spend hours downloading again?
>>320582397
Shut up, retard.
>>320580884
Actually I just double-checked, Cross-Slash DOES charge the Limit Gauge. Faster than normal attacks, even
>>320582546
Calm down there, junior :)
Shhhh its alright, its okay.
People can't hurt you and your childrens party games anymore.
>>320582669
Shut up, retard.
>>320573780
>What are strategies you use?
Stand in a corner away from fight, try to completely avoid everyone else until it's down to you and one other guy, and presumably if you avoided people enough, you'll have more lives than the other guy so he will lose no matter what happens
>>320573780
this >>320581184
How fucking shit are you OP? Cloud is broken as fuck. Just use anything
>>320582725
Aww its alright, junior.
Just dry up those tears :)
>>320582507
I think the update downloads them. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to fight them online
>>320582906
Shut up, retard.
>>320573780
how good is finishing touch?
>>320582976
You okay there, squirt?
Take deep breaths, alright? :)
>>320582929
OK good
I mean it literally took hours
>>320576325
I feel like he just makes Little Mac feel even more shit.
That limit break is just so insanely broken compared to Little Mac's one punch man
>>320583043
Aww its alright, junior.
Just dry up those tears :)
>>320582987
Kinda OP if you're fighting a retard
>>320583175
You need to copy me, little boy? :)
Then I have already won :)
>>320581184
>>320582843
Just cuz you guys can't deal with him doesn't mean he's OP.
His sword is deceptive, he doesn't have any more range than any other given sword user. In addition, he has greater ending frames on most of his smashes and aerials, meaning you take a gamble when being aggressive. Not only that but he doesn't hit nearly as hard as you'd expect him to unless using his forward smash, down smash, and maybe his forward air.
He actually needs limit breaks to survive.
>>320583337
Calm down there, junior :)
Shhhh its alright, its okay.
People can't hurt you and your childrens party games anymore.
>>320580734
>no throw combos
Down thrown combos into a lot of shit, specially side b, and reverse up smash / up tilt , etc with heavy characters
>>320573780
I hope you don't do this in Sudden Death with another Cloud.
>>320583347
Projecting much? I'm saying that as playing him with no knowledge of how to play him and wrecking shit left andd right with ease.
It's so easy to kill with Cloud even without practice, it's easy to see for anyone who doesn't completely suck at the game how broken Cloud is once you become really good with him
>>320573780
>pay2win character that is basically Shulk on steroids with a bullshit special attack that can be either filled at will or automatically, can kill at less than 40% and unlike Little Mac's it can be used at distance, has good speed, amazing tilts, Ike-tier damage output with fuckhuge hitboxes and a sweet distance attack all other swordfags lack, 3 god tier spikes and very little endlag on his attacks
>Still can't win
You are a hopeless scrub, OP.
>>320583570
ALL THIS
AND HIS RECOVERY IS FUCKING SHIT
>>320583570
>This DLC character is hopelessly overpowered!
I remember you, old friend.
>>320583554
>I'm saying that as playing him with no knowledge of how to play him and wrecking shit left andd right with ease.
Your friends don't count and neither do level 9s. If you got paired with any of the rabid tourney kids in For Glory without knowing how to play Cloud they'd probably wreck you. It's not like he's a win in the bag.
>>320583757
Projecting much again? I'm talking purely of For Glory experience.
How shit are you?
>>320583570
>Pay2win
>Implying cloud is even in the top 10 characters in the game
He literally has nothing on characters like shiek, zss, and mario. They can just combo and gimp the fuck out of him.
>>320583412
What I mean is, there is nothing he can do from a throw after (maybe) 30% on most of the cast. There's no reason to be afraid of his grab so you can sit in your shield all day and he can't do jack shit about it. That is his biggest flaw.
>>320583862
I'm pretty bad at the game. But I can still tell when a character has intrinsic faults.
See >>320583898
>>320584108
>He's not on the same tier as the top three characters people have been optimizing for a year now (yet) (maybe)
>Therefor is shit
>Although I'm actually not good enough at the game to tell lol
LEL
>>320576109
You're fucking cancer.
>>320584374
dark pit faggot detected
get out of here kid
>>320584358
And yet everything you've said is arbitrary conjecture. Why don't you tell us what makes him so special instead, sensei?
>>320584358
>Im so shit at the game I actually think cloud is good
Sorry to break it to you but hes shit m8. Feel free to kill yourself at any time. Enjoy losing to anyone in middle tier and up with your dumpster main.
>>320573780
don't play as him
>>320573780
Play him like Link.
>>320584516
You know what? Fight me
>>320584629
Sorry, I don't play against scrubs. Enjoy your waste of $6.99 dumpster character, though.
Anyone wana get some games? Basically giving free ass whoopings. 1st come, 1st served, all night long. Post your NID and a free ass whooping will be coming your way courtesy of ZSS
>>320584776
LEL
Nice fucking backpedal
>>320584459
Actually pacmanfag and I've been recking all you Cloudfags for the past few hours. I kek hard they get pissed that pacman is fucking their shit and they actually stop running away to start spamming their charged shit.
>>320584798
>courtesy of ZSS
Was about to play, but no. I don't feel like fighting nair: the character.
>>320584798
I'll bite. I need to get better anyways, and fighting better players is the only way to get there.
if I'm playing on 3ds, can I play someone on WiiU?
>>320584880
XD. Nice shit post-purchase rationalization. Enjoy D tier and your buyer's remorse.
>>320584798
>ZZS
Holy kek I could smell the spamming already.
>>320584956
Online? No.
Local? Yes.
>>320584967
>I-I'm good guys I swear!
>I-I don't need to fight you though I just know you're bad xD
You were THAT kid on the playground, weren't you?
I've played against roughly 50 Clouds and only lost to 1. And that was mainly due to lag. So far, I'm not impressed.
>>320585082
>G-guys this clearly shit character's not bad! I swear!
You're THAT dumbass, aren't you?
>>320582987
From my experience, if you hit someone at 70% or higher, its an instant KO, so its pretty good.
>>320573780
Down tilt is his safest move. Spam the fuck out of it. Up b isn't great for recovery, but good for traps especially near the edge. Just space it right or you'll off yourself like a retard. Limit charges fast especially when trading blows, but down b is unreliable compared to side b, and you might have to use to recover. Use neutral b to gimp nair to gimp, while using fair and dair to spike, especially dair cause it lasts eternity.
If they use shields you're fucked, he has no shield breaking moves. His grabs suck, I wouldn't bother with them once they go 50% or so.
>>320585190
This isn't getting us anywhere. I gave you a challenge. You can accept it or pussy out and keep telling yourself that you actually know what you're talking about
>>320573780
As a casual player who's never won an online match, Cloud is good for applying pressure in various ways and if you figure out how to kill with him, hoo boy can he hit almost as hard as Ike. But on stages that are wide-open and have some far KO lines, you're going to have a harder time because only his Limit attacks (particularly Finishing Touch) are definitively powerful enough to smash someone that far.
>>320579421
>le down throw is only combo maymay
Look up peach combos
>>320585290
Don't you have some for glory matches you could be losing right now?
>>320585479
You can keep talking. It's nothing but hot air if you keep pussying out
>>320585348
>50% combo that is insanely hard to pull off in a real match
Sheik can do that off of one grab
>>320585531
Good thing I don't give a fuck. I don't have to validate anything. Keep telling yourself Cloud is S tier, but he's not. sorry. Go top a major tourney if you really think hes good.
Haven't played any Smash since his release. I main Pikachu, can anyone tell me what the matchup is like?
>lose a few matches in for glory 1v1 against the same guy
>finally start to get the hang of my opponent's playstyle making for a more interesting fight, victory is around the corner
>opponent leaves
Every fucking time.
>>320582507
You're paying to unlock him, not to download him. That comes in the update.
>>320586214
>needing 3 matches to catch up on another player
Whatareafukincasul??
>>320585952
>T-This character is bad
>I-I don't need to back this up at all!
>S-Scrub!
>>320583435
>Spamming B
>When it barely does fuck all, even with Limit Break
It just seems like a fucking worthless move.
>>320585952
*Yawn*
>>320583043
>>320583175
>>320583337
>>320583396
Lol wish I were him, these posts are so cringy they're actually funny.
>>320586583
It could do only 1% damage and still be usefull
>>320586583
It has good range huegbox hitbox and does a decent amount of damage. Probably one of the better projectiles in the game. Also good for gimping players off the platform.
Spamming it like that in SD is retarded though
>>320586583
6% isn't bad at all and it's easily spammable. The limit break can definitely kill.
People were calling yor overpowered back when he came out, they'll do the same for Bayonetta and Corrin too. Give him a month or two before screaming about him being OP or not.
>>320587615
This is the only thread so far which i seen people adamantly keep calling cloud OP.
Every other thread has people stating his flaws and how hes good but has huge drawsbacks.
