So can we all agree that Cloud was by far the best Smash DLC?
>Isn't a clone like roy and lucas
>Isn't garbage tier like mewtwo
>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
>Has a move similar to little mac's one hit punch, except it does one damage but covers both sides for rollers
>The fucking victory theme doesn't end when he wins unlike any other character in the game
>Easy to pick up and feels smooth to play as
Has Cloud saved Smash 4?
>>320550889
>>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
Can you not do a DP motion?
>he can't dragon punch
Can't even care about Cloud with Bayonetta on the way, she's Smash 4's last hope.
>>320550889
>Isn't a clone like roy and lucas
>Isn't garbage tier like mewtwo
nigga are you retarded?
>>320552287
how are these two points wrong
We all know one of these 2 things will happen.
1.She will become the top tier character and we will have bayo vs. bayo at every tournament where that fat fuck with a scarf "mains" her and whoever he is fighting picks her due to being the new diddy. They spam the fuck out of the combo moves and it seems like a fast paced game that only bayo can keep up with.
2. She can combo but the damage is shit/A fucking retard could tech out.
The meta then goes full on circle jerk for shiek again.
>>320552287
What the fuck are you trying to even say?
>Stage only has 2 songs
>No english VA
He's a good addition but he comes off as so lazy compared to Ryu
I think he meant those dlc characters are neither clones or garbage.
>Roy, Lucas
>Clones
I suppose falco and luigi are clones too.
>>320553126
>Mewtwo d tier
>roy obvious fire emblem clone and lucas clone or ness
Seems straightforward to me.
>>320552971
3. She could also be absurdly lightweight, like a glass canon.
>>320553104
Is it like the green greens DLC where you can find music for it in game
>>320553104Ryu only had two songs, too.
>Play King DDD
>Cloud uses that B
It's annoying, but satisfying once I smash this sharp haired faggot off the stage.
He's fun to play as too but I wish Midgar had more music.
His greatest strength is honestly just his inclusion.
His moveset didn't honestly impress me, and his stage isn't as great as I hoped.
He's just cool because he's goddamn Cloud.
Bayonetta actually has my attention as a fighter.
And because I love her games.
>>320553810
true, but at least there was some variety with the remixes.
It's just such a shame that FF7 only got TWO fucking songs. What a ripoff.
>>320550889
Ryu is far and away the best DLC character, but Cloud is 2nd of the ones released thus far.
>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
Dude, I don't even play street fighter much, but inputs are not fucking hard unless you are handicapped or some shit. Just take a damn second to practice
>>320550889
>no ultima weapon skin for the buster sword or hair color changes for alts
its shit
>>320555506
nintendo kiddies don't know how to do a simple combination of inputs
>>320550889
>Knowing how to do a DP motion, quarter circle and half circle is complicated
>>320553187
woah dude you're right their specials are similar
>>320550889
>>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
huehuehuehuehuehuehue what a mongaloid
>people getting baited by le ryu is hard meme
>>320550889
>Lucas
>Clone
Ya blew it
>>320553187
Its not an original/unique character is what he means
>>320550889
>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
SMASH BABIES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
I bet you think Invoker is hard too, dumbass.
>>320552448
roy i have little experience with plus marth but
Anybody who says Lucas is a clone is a dumbass.
>>320552028
Not him but for me the QCF movement is pretty finicky in this game
>>320550889
>Finisher
>for rollers
Do you not know what i-frames are? They dominate this game senpai
>>320557802
>Not him but for me the QCF movement is pretty finicky in this game
If anything it's easier than it is in SF
>>320557674
Roy, I'd say plays differently enough that he can be considered a semi-clone now.
>>320557802
>He STILL can't punish rolls
lmao
>>320552971
You're missing something pretty big which they made a point of stressing in the direct, and it's the risk on her moves. She's vulnerable starting up and finishing a lot of her moves, but is a combo monster with speed and options once she actually hits. If she truely does have vulnerability, she'll be like Peach in melee, a strong character who can do a lot of she gets in, but punishable in neutral if she whiffs.
This ultra top tier, metaknight-in-brawl prediction would only hold true if her moves had little to no risk relative to the rest of the cast, a position shiek is currently closes too because of her high speed and unfair fair.
>>320550889
Ryu isn't hard at all, get good.
>>320552028
Distinguishing between Light, Medium, and Heavy for Ryu's specials can be pretty tricky.
>>320557928
>accurately predict a roll, throw out an attack, they're going to get fucking nailed
>they perfect shield it anyway
REEEEEEEEEE
>>320558234
The trick is just to attack earlier. Most rolls become vulnerable halfway through.
>>320557912
Maybe it's because I'm not used to the GC stick/3DS pad for these movements, idk really. I use Dpad for fighters until my thumb gets sore then I use the analog stickon the DS4
>>320557928
Meh, I don't play enough to learn how through experience and I'm not gonna look up frame data that won't help me at all because I don't play competitively.
I almost never get to play locals either, so I'm hindered by input lag in FG or at least it seems that way. I can also never punish air dodges even if I know its coming. Can't practice that shit cause CPUs have frame perfect dodges 80% of the damn time.
I'm just bad at this version and can't adapt.
>>320558356
>predict air dodge
>attack goes right through enemy even though they already landed from the dodge
Why does this happen
>friends won't let me play him because he's "OP"
>all they play is robin and charizard
>>320558528
Sakurai in all his wisdom decided to use 3D collision detection even though smash happens on a 2D plane.
>>320558632
Are you saying Robin and Charizard are OP?
>>320558632
>play with roommate that hardly plays but he's the best I know that isn't a tourneyfag
>constantly wreck his shit cause of how predictable he is
>lowering my power level is painfully obvious
It hurts sometimes
>>320558073
I thought were was only short and not short?
If you let the button pressed you go longer, if not you go short
>>320558752
>yoshi's dash grab in melee
christ
>>320558752
>3D collision detection
What? Video or source? This is fucking stupid
>>320558823
Tap is Light
Longer tap is Med
Hold (Smash) is Heavy
>>320558752
I'm saying they're slow and very predictable.
If I don't go easy it's over very fast.
>>320558790
My housemates can only win two ways against me.
They team up to finish me first, or I am inebriated. Even then I still have a good chance at winning.
If they are doing particulalry bad i'll let them win and it just feels awful.
>>320558881
What the fuck
>>320558881
Go on Duck Hunt which forces 2D collision
Use Charizards Ftilt at point blank
Watch as it sweetspots, even though the tip is in the background
Now repeat on FD which has 3D collision
Someone needed to link it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqea9cWOn4
>>320558881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWO6iDefd-g
ryu is stupidly complicated? jesus christ sm4shfags are braindead
>>320550889
Not while Bayonetta exists.
>>320559130
To specify
>Holding the button for 1 frame is light
>Holding the button for 2-3 frames is medium
>Holding for 4+ is heavy
>>320550889
>two songs
>no english va
>no bonus trophies
I appreciate the fact he's even in the game. I imagine it was hell for Nintendo to negotiate with SE for this, but come on. Should've at least also included One Winged Angel and J-E-N-O-V-A, maybe even a remix if they could.
Two fucking songs.
>>320559465
>Isn't stupidly complicated
>like ryu
Also no, best is definitely Bayo
>>320559317
HAHAHAHHAH.
while I knew that smash did use all axis I was not fully aware of how much
>>320559317
>3d collision
>not just wonky hitboxes
>>320559594
When did I say Ryu was stupidly complicated?
>>320559714
it was a misquote you donut
it happens literally all of the time
>>320559636
>>320559645
on a semi related note, Ness's grab range is so small it's literally inside of him
>>320559130
It's actually just Tap/Hold for all of Ryu's ground moves that aren't Smash attacks
Tap/Hold also affects the distance covered by each of his non-Focus Attack specials
>>320550889
But Lucas is blatantly better than Ness
>>320559317
Wow
WOW
WOOOOOOW
14 years later and not only is it still a problem, but now its more common
WOW
>>320559985
It's not nearly as bad as in melee
But yeah it's pretty shit
>>320560140
I've encountered this problem with just about every character I've played, especially Wario with his bike and even fucking Cloud with his usmash and I think one or two others
>>320559317
Does this have anything to do with MK and the "missing" hitboxes from the base game?
>>320555506
Not that anon but it's not that the inputs are hard to do it's just that Smash is much more sensitive and dependent on aerial games than more grounded fightan vidya like Street Fighter. When you're trying to pull of combos or at the very least move and execute moves quickly it's incredibly easy to accidentally throw a move you didn't want to do. On top of that, you're aren't automatically adjusted to always be facing your opponents like SF either.
The issue itself would be resolved entirely if the A button didn't factor into a special move execution and you could only do them with the B button + input.
That's where the "stupidly complicated" part comes in. It's not the button inputs, but the fact that Ryu is so touchy and sensitive in wider array of moves and that it's so easy to accidentally throw a move you didn't intend to the point where he's just frustrating to play.
For example, let's say you're dashing towards someone and they roll out the way behind you. You quickly go for a Hadouken input in the opposite direction and WHOOOPSIE Ryu decided it would be a good idea to Tatsumaki off the stage.
>>320560601
use the c-stick fgt
>>320550889
Dude, the way clouds victory theme plays out is how I've wanted it for a while with all the characters.
>>320560783
How exactly does that factor into anything?
If we're talking about Smash attacks, that doesn't mean jack shits when Ryu has fifty bazillion other attacks in the form of light A attacks in every direction both grounded and in air, which still contributes to the likelihoodof accidental inputs.
>>320561058
for aerials.
So you don't accidentally do inputs.
I feel like I'm the only person in the entire world that plays better with the WiiU Pro
>>320561438
lots of people use pro controllers. It's actually quite common.
Also more people use wii-chucks than you'd expect.
>>320561150
>my problem is correctly executing specials using SF movements
>lol just use the C-stick for aerials
Not him but I'm just clarifying how stupid you sound
>>320561507
I've been playing since the first game and I've always despised the GC controller.
Ryu isn't complicated though. Hell, I'd say he's the only DLC character released so far that actually seems some kind of intriguing. Kinda excited for Bayo though. I'm really curious to see how fucked that witch time move of hers is.
>>320561532
Only time an accidental input should even remotely be close to happening is if you're in the air and try to do something like a fast fall Fair. Which is solved by using the C-Stick for aerials.
If you're doing an accidental input on the ground you're an idiot with incredible spaghetti fingers. They're not hard to do at all.
>>320561860
Okay guy stop it, you aren't gonna bait me like that.
>>320561860
>implying fair is a special
I don't think you can get any more stupid
>>320562406
you can just admit you have spaghetti fingers, anon. I get it.
>>320562495
What? Can you read?
I said fast fall fair.
You know what the input for that is? Down, forward, A.
Easy to mess up and do the hadoken input.
You're not really going to be doing stuff like that on the ground unless you're trying to down tilt fsmash for some godforsaken reason.
>>320562693
Can YOU not read? He's talking about trying to do a hadouken and accidentally doing tatsumaki
>>320562693
>down tilt fsmash for some godforsaken reason.
Maybe because that will actually connect or force the player to roll
Do you even play Ryu?
>>320562961
Christ that's even worse. You have to be full on brain dead for that to happen
>>320563045
>dtilt to fsmash when you can shoryu instead
Do YOU even play ryu?
>>320563860
>dtilt
>shoryu
>miss because the dtilt knocked the enemy back too far
Ok
>>320550889
>>320559425
I just hope Bayonetta has a male alt.
https://youtu.be/R4wgFy7CWHY
>implying Bossanetta isn't best netta
>>320564089
>soft dtilt
>sending people far
Are you sure you play ryu?
>>320564272
The effort put into these videos is astounding
>>320564327
Ahh you got me, I decided to start fucking with you since I figured you are doing it me. Can't wiggle my way out of that one.
Seriously though, doing a quick turn into a hadouken is difficult for most starting out
>>320553187
Yes, they are.
>>320559485
SE doesn't even allow you to stream most of their games with audio, or without proper permissions. You think that they would let Nintendo use more than one or two songs without demanding actual millions of dollars?
>>320559236
>>320566626
The Miiverse stage is probably the best addition they made to the game.
>>320566626
Hehe
>>320567076
>>320566897
I bet Oney will start hating that video now like the asshole he is.
>>320567223
Do you mean that because he hates Dragons ball P 2? he did mention that he was never happy with it but he uploaded it because of the ending that Zach thought of.
>>320550889
>Isn't stupidly complicated like ryu
Fucking casual confirmed
git gud faggot
