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Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree this game sucks?
Nope it's good.
no
got me to reply
6/10
>>320461062
Well, so far, I'm not crazy about it, but it's better than DaS2.
>>320461062
i'll sign your petition, op
It's the worst of all the Souls games, but even the worst Souls game is still a pretty damn good game.
>>320461772
It's better than Dark 2. On level and world design alone.
>>320461062
Nope. Still loving it
>>320461772
It's worse than Lords of the Fallen too
>>320461772
but dark souls 2 is mediocre in every way
>>320461772
It's the best miyazaki and souls game to date.
Fuck off, just cause there aren't 50 different shaped swords doesn't make it bad. retard
Eh, main game is alright. Chalice dungeons are ass though.
nah its my goty
>>320461870
Art design was great, level and world design was mediocre at best. Dark Souls's strengths in world design were derived from the detail required to elegantly place checkpoints and pace out estus charges. Dark Souls 1 also had the beautifully interconnected world with clever backtracking. Bloodborne tosses out that detailed touch and just resorts to having the player grind for vials and teleport around. It was necessary because of the short development cycle they used, but resulted in a worse game.
>>320462249
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, do you?
>>320462249
When most people talk about how well designed Bloodborne is they just mean how good it looks. It's objectively the worst world design of the franchise.
>>320462420
He's actually right
>>320461062
Dunno about sucks, solid but generic. 7/10 game.
>>320462249
Teleported is definitely the strangest design decision from my point of view. Dark Soul's world was really intricately built, then Dark Souls II ignored everything Dark Souls 1 did well and went full teleport. Even though Bloodborne is the same, and Dark Souls II gets trashed for its world design, Sonyjabronies will never admit Bloodborne is just as badly designed + has no weapons or build variety.
At least it looks pretty.
Just got the Moonlight Greatsword and other 2-3 weapons on the DLC, after going back with the cell keys. I was scared that if I killed the faggot I would lose my chance to get it.
It's fun but my build is STR.
And holy fucking shit, those giant niggers in the Innsmouth-like fishing cottage do retarded damage.
It has its strengths and weaknesses like every Souls game. I just love the setting and trick weapons.
>>320462249
Okay, yes. The vials shit is terrible and arguably the worst healing system that has ever been in any of these games. Thank god for the rune that gives you health back on visceral attacks, but they should've stuck with Estus-like replenishment because it was perfect.
I'd also agree that Bloodborne's teleporting is gratuitous and doesn't make the world feel as cohesive as Dark 1, even though it actually kind of is.
For me, Bloodborne feels like Demon's Souls with token Dark Souls interconnectedness. Each level is long and lamps are only at the start and after boss fights, but a series of shortcuts close the distance between the boss and the initial lamp. Which is fine, but it doesn't play to the strength of having the interconnected world like Dark Souls in the first place.
However, that's still way better than Dark 2 which had tons of stupid impossible geography and relied on warp points because every part of that game was a huge linear track that didn't wrap back around to anything.
Bloodborne having teleports to every lamp was a mistake, so it's worse than Dark 1 and worse than Demon's, but since there are still shortcuts and the locations of things make sense relative to each other (Nightmares aside), it's better than Dark 2.
>>320462763
>Weird fiction action game
>Generic
The fuck are you even talking about nigga?
>>320462164
>Chalice dungeons are ass though.
I finished the first one but holy shit I really don't want to do the rest if they are as crappy. Is anything worth the time for finishing them? What do I even get?
agreed
>outsold by splatoon
>won no awards
>lacks replayability
>sell a version of it with the DLC not even a year out because you liked that much faith
>piss easy by soul standards
>dead PvP
>DLC area is short, front loader with weapon and chunks, you earn nothing it's all gifted to you
Not a dissapointing as MGSV or Hotline Miami 2 but it's up there
>>320461523
Destiny has gotten a LOT better since launch though. You might not agree that it got good, but it got better, certainly.
Bloodborne is great though, so that bit is wrong.
I know this is probably a shitposting thread but a buddy of mine let me play bloodborne and he took me to Papa Johns and that shit was awesome! after my second try and getting that kill it almost made me want to buy a ps4!
So I just killed Rom, and everyone in Oeden Chapel is starting to act weird.
If I didn't find all the people to send to Oeden Chapel do I miss out on anything?
Agreed.
•Shit hitboxes
•Auto aim attacks from enemies
•Enemies magically attack at top speed while in staggering animation frame
•Edge dark world with no color, also looks like a late ps3 game
>>320462894
Literally just Dark Souls II : Gothic Horror edition
>>320462950
>What do I even get?
A trophy
but one of the ones needed for the trophy cuts your HP in half.
>>320463063
we're talking about bloodborne, not dark souls 2
>>320461062
Yes.
>>320463116
A fucking trophy? That's it? No good boss fights? No fun equipment? No nice encounters? Anything at all?
>but one of the ones needed for the trophy cuts your HP in half.
Uh what? One of the what?
>>320463249
There are unique bosses in them and I think you find the best bloodgems down there.
There exist 2 Bloodborns,
the real one people play
and the one people talk about when they goldface.
One is a fun game, the other is gods greatest gift to humanity.
>>320461062
Not a chance. It's gorgeous. Handles well. The only issue is that pvp is so rare and easy for the defendant. I think I've won every invasion aimed at me without building for it.
>>320463072
and how many lovecraft games are there.
ESPECIALLY compared to medieval fantasy.
>>320463007
More like a little better and then TTK created its own problems where it didn't need to
>>320463118
>Strawmanning
Game is shit bro
>>320463046
>Oeden Chapel is starting to act weird.
>starting
They fags were weird from the beginning for me, though at that point I only had 2 characters there I think. I send the prostitute and another guy to Iosefka.
I still don't know what happened to those 2, probably killed and Iosefka is just as batshit crazy as the rest of the god forsaken city.
>>320461062
Unfortunately, regardless of how good it is or not, is out of reach for a lot of people
>>320463249
Some of the chalice exclusive fights are fun.
There is one fun weapon, made more fun with the dlc now.
And I guess the defiled ones are a fun challenge.
>>320462845
I feel like I must've missed every cool weapon because I couldn't find anything I liked better than the hunter's axe.
It's so boring, but it does so much fucking damage.
Also I stuck with the hunter's pistol because all I wanted was the parry.
So it's kind of my fault, but I've just been playing through the whole game with the default weapons.
>>320462515
> objectively the worst world design of the franchise
you're objectively wrong
worse than that, you've outed yourself as a DaSII faggot.
Anyone who doesnt admit that DaSII is a BAD entry into the series is a massive cuck who's shit taste excludes them from meaningful conversation
eat shit
>>320463359
i know dark souls 2 is shit, but we're talking about bloodborne here
>>320463249
>There are unique bosses in them and I think you find the best bloodgems down there.
>>320463441
>Some of the chalice exclusive fights are fun.
>There is one fun weapon, made more fun with the dlc now.
All right, I guess I'll give it a go as soon as I figure out what to do with the 2 giants down the well. Thanks.
>>320463386
>not finding the back entrance to the clinic
Anon you missed out
>>320463046
The whore is the most important one, but the nun also gives a unique item. The old lady and the pissy guy don't really do a whole lot, so you aren't really missing anything there. The guy in the forest is the ultimate bro though.
The start of the game sucks, really boring limited weapons and all the areas are a snorefest until you get to Byrgenwerth.
>>320463467
DaSII is badly designed.
Bloodborne uses the same design philosophy and has half the content.
If it weren't for the art style and the fact that the game is PS4 exclusive nobody would defend it.
It's great, but fuck load times.
>>320462249
>>320462640
>>320462779
>PCucks talking about a game they never played.
>>320463619
Threaded Cane is the best weapon in the game tho.
>>320463546
I only found a shortcut back to the clinic through some poison cave. Guess I'll look around some more. I still have like, 5 or 6 things that I have not being able to open or use. I ended up writing them down to not lose track of them.
>>320463649
>If it weren't for the fact that the game is PS4 exclusive nobody would defend it
Right on cue:
>>320463665
>>320463660
The fact that I can't warp between lamps or reset areas without going back to the dream is one of my biggest nitpicks really
>>320463770
Its amazing you cucks say "hur its badly designed" without a single example. Figures.
>>320463770
you are literally retarded
>>320463649
>same design philosophy
That is so fucking wrong.
BB is all about quality and das2 was all about quantity
and lets make this fucking clear
Once and for all
The fact that it is on the ps4 is the worst thing about BB.
Otherwise it is now the best souls game with the dlc.
10/10 game. Stay salty.
>>320463813
Yeah, that was seriously stupid.
Also the fucking doll that keeps talking to me when I want to level up.
Everyone gave the herald so much (rightful) crap about BEAR SEEK SEEK LEST and here we are again.
>>320463861
The post you're quoting talked about how the world isn't as interconnected and the pitfalls of the vial grind and teleport system.
You ignored all of that and defended Sony's honor instead.
>>320461062
>no builds
yup
>>320462816
I hate those guys, worst souls enemy ever. They are like homing giants that can to a complete 180 while lunging in a constant hit frame state
>>320463813
Yeah, I don't mind the teleporting since the world is still relatively connected, but having to go through the dream every time gets old really fast. I'm surprised they never patched in lamp to lamp travel.
>>320464094
>the world isn't as interconnected
That is just flat out false.
and the idea that you think you could just put in estus without fucking up the rally system is hillarious to me.
It makes me so happy you are never ever going to design a video game.
>>320464303
The rally system is shit anyway.
>>320463727
BUT ITS SO BORING TO USE HOLY SHIT
>>320464423
I thought it was fun. It's also the only weapon I've used so far so I have nothing to compare it to.
>>320464160
The Singing Brains are still ten times worse.>mfw hearing them in the DLC
>>320464483
This whole frenzy mechanic is pissing me off so far.
I just got the blades of mercy and I'm just disappointed
Why the fuck would I use these when my Threaded Cane is so much better?
Why does the bird hunter dude you fight in the Cathedral after you kill Rom kill the Bird Hunter lady you fight with earlier in the game
>>320464303
>That is just flat out false.
Makes me wonder if you've even played Dark Souls.
I'm simply offering my perspective on how Bloodborne regressed in design from previous Souls games. I'm not saying they should have just added estus, I'm saying that changing from estus to the current systems offered more freedom in level design, but unfortunately created a less cohesive and well thought out world.
>>320464540
Especially because it keeps fucking filling up even after all the brains are dead.
>>320464374
I like it.
But even if I didn't I am happy they are experimenting with the formula.
I take something new not working perfectly over playing it safe.
It makes me really sad how much people want even spiritual sequels to be exactly the same as previous games.
>>320461062
NEVER EVER
All right, the fucking place is on fire. If I go to Gerhman past the open door will the game end? I just need to know because I still have tons of shit to do and explore and don't want a surprise moment where I can't do shit and I'm moved on the NG+.
>>320464423
>Not trying to relive the Castlevania days long past dead
>Not slaying beasts in the name of Belmont
What is a man, a miserable little pile of shit?
>>320464671Yes, Gehrman is the last fight.Unless you ate 3 umbilical cords.
>>320464579
Are you fucking retarded? No you're just shitposting. The world of bloodborne is interconnected.
>>320464581
Funny, right as I said that, I died and lost a hundred thousand blood echoes from failing to get off the stupid elevator in the Nightmare of Mensis correctly.
>>320461062
Until it's on PC. Then it will be the goty every year.
>>320464724Oh fuck me. Thanks anon. I only have 1 of those things, but I still have places I want to revisit..
>>320464726
The world of bloodborne is interconnected in the same way the world of DaS2 is interconnected. That is to say, while you can go from place to place on foot, the game was designed around the idea of teleportation and the design of everything reflects that.
If you've played Dark Souls 1 it should be immediately apparent how that philosophy makes Bloodborne's world completely different in practice.
>>320464604
It just sucks that it sometimes forces you to have to grind for vials. And the fact that you can't reset enemies without going back and forth to the dream makes that super tedious.
>>320464483
Just spend your insight and suddenly it's much much easier.
>>320461062
honestly how in the living fuck can you be stupid enough to take time out of your life to post such bullshit, what the hell is wrong you faggit kids
>>320464921The fight after Gehrman takes place immediately after him I think, so go explore before you fight him.
>>320464571
Hunters who dawn the crowd garb are hunters of hunters
Dunno much about the guy but he obviously was a corrupted hunter than Crowlady felt needed to die
He wipes the floor with her and (more than likely) you
nah OP. Bloodborne is my GOTY! I own a Wii u, PS4, and have a decent PC to play all the indie faggotry on and Bloodborne has been the game I have gone back to the most this year. I adore it.
>>320464957
>tfw 99 insight
Oh.
>>320464940
Great bridge to Oeden Tomb yields like 15 vials at least per run and it takes like 3 minutes
>>320464940
Yeah but on the other hand it makes vials worth more in your head.
If possible I always want to use the rally system to heal. Meaning every time you get hit there is a quick decision you have to make.
Its different. Better in some ways worse in others.
Why can't different games be different?
>>320464483
I fucking loathe these and their retarded super armor
>>320462249
>Dark Souls 1 also had the beautifully interconnected world with clever backtracking. Bloodborne tosses out that detailed touch and just resorts to having the player grind for vials and teleport around
That's totally incorrect, though. Most of the world is interconnected in pretty amazing ways, like the forest leading back up to the clinic. The only areas you have to teleport to are the hub and the nightmare areas that are justifiably not connected to the physical world.
>>320465191
>rally
Is that what hitting shit to recover health is called?
>>320463007
Its gotten better if you paid an extra $100+
>>320465230
nigga just use the hunter's torch on them. Stunlocks them to death I almost feel bad for it.
>>320464579
>Makes me wonder if you've even played Dark Souls.
yeah probably not enough but this is just steam.
I mostly played on PS3 before
>>320464921
Revisit the drop down platforming part of the tower. Revisit Iosefka's back entrance if you haven't already killed her. Revisit Oedon Chapel if the whore was still alive and look for her.
Getting to Cainhurst and Upper Cathedral Ward are pretty obscure, if you can't find them don't be ashamed to look it up, they're a huge chunk of the game.
>>320464483
Yeah, that part in the DLC with TWO OF THEM was fucked up.
Thank god they were guarding the Blood Rock, if it was anything less impressive than that I would've been upset.
>>320464474
Man pretty much any of the weapons are more fun and feel more impactful.
>>320464704
I already did that in Dark Souls 1 and 2.
>>320464923
>the game was designed around the idea of teleportation
That's wrong, though. Lamps are way too sparse for you to be meant to teleport to them as your means of getting around, especially since you can't warp between them.
>>320465457
I got to Upper Cathedral on my own, but I have no idea what's up with Cainhurst. I've been digging up information with that dude you meet at the temple, praying, but no luck yet. I've been on the DLC for now before going back to revisit every area.
And the 2 guys I sent with Iosefka are probaly fucked. I went back a while ago and there was no response, but I'll keep searching for the back entrance. I still have about 6 locked places to revisit.
>>320461062
Level design and music are amazing. Normal enemies are pretty solid as well aside from some recoats.
The only area BloodBorne falls apart in is its huge amount of throwaway bosses.
Gassy is aite
Cleric is aite for a 1st/2nd kinda boss
Vicar is aite
Witches are throwaway as fuck
SoY are hit or miss
Rom is a throwaway
ToR is a throwaway
Celestial Emissary is a throwaway
Micolash is a throwaway.
Ebrietas is aite
Gherman is aite
Mergos has a cool moveset but the difficulty of a throwaway.
The chalice has some decent bosses and the DLC has 4/5 good bosses the living failures being a throwaway.
Just too many bosses that are absolute shit in the main game. But the level design makes up for it. But its pretty disappointing. The DLC is GOTY doe.
>>320461062
i love it. i tried going back to dark afterwards but i couldnt it was just too slow ugly and had an ever choppier framerate.
How do you open the door at the top of the Blood Healing Workshop? Or does it open itself as you progress?
People call this game muh deeplore when the story is basically:
I must slay the beasts
Jon, you are the beasts
Then, Jon was a ayylmao
Is it possible to only use the gun in this game?
>>320466192
you are a tard. using your logic, moby dick is a book about a guy taking a boat ride.
>>320466090
there is a key you can find in the unseen village. The part just before the lazer shit there will be a broken part on the side of the railing. You hop down and grab it.
>>320461062
Yeah, I always thought something was off. It wasn't after it didn't win a single award at the VGAs that I realized that yeah, it sucked.
>>320466289
>Game wants you hunting beasts
>find out beasts are actually humans
>become ayylmao because humans want to evolve
I see nothing wrong with this shitty analogy
>>320466028
>Going back to Dark 1 or Demons after BB or Dark 2
Almost impossible the lack of free dodge angles is fucking maddening.
>>320466192
Souls games have never had deep lore. Just unexplained grimdark shit that faggots feel deep for delving into and basically assuming shit with. The fun will always just be the level design and killing shit like a game should be.
>>320466551
BB players in Dark Souls 3 gonna be easy pickings in pvp
>>320465867
>Didn't get the umbilical cords
Haha.. HAHAHAHAHA
DOES THE NIGHTMARE NEVER END?!
>>320461062
It's decent. I'd buy a PS4 but I don't have interest in any otheralready releasedgameand I'm not going to wait so I'll eventually wait until this gen ends to get stuffso I won't play it.
It may not be the best of all souls but at least isn't original DSII pre-dlc levels of mediocre.
>>320466881
MP is the greatest fight in video games baka
>>320466881
Sorry i forgot to list Moon Presence as a throwaway too. Its alittle closer to a real boss but Gherman had such amazing music and he set the tone really well. MP is literally another big beast boss that swipes and goes ape shit. Its better then Vicar Amelia or Cleric Beast i guess but because of its placement its such a let down.
>>320466579
I like the lore as background radiation.
If you think about it too much it is not that fun. I don't get the appeal of lore videos.
In videogames I prefer my story to stay out of the way of my gameplay.
>>320462249
you've literally never played the game
level design in the Dark Souls games gets its shit pushed in by DeS/BB
>>320466927
and I'm not going to wait for games*
God damn it
>>320467021
I also forgot about Logarious who is a alright boss.
>>320466969
He didn't mention Moon Presence or Logarious.
>>320467021
Moon Presence isn't a throwaway. There's reason it's there.
>>320466579
Just about everything is explained though, even in Bloodborne. The lore is actually pretty great across the souls games and BB.
>>320461062
I played pretty much every AAA game this year. I honestly feel it was the one I enjoyed the most. I mean really... It's actually FUN to play, the lore was creepy as fuck, the visuals were great. I wasn't a huge fan of some of the mechanics changes but all in all, it was a different experience and I did enjoy it start to finish.
Now shit like FO4, MGSV, Witcher 3... All had major glaring issues that really detracted from the experience for me. FO4 I couldn't even come close to finishing, it's just fucking bad. MGSV great to play, shit open world, what the fuck is that story line. Witcher 3... I liked the side quests and visuals! Everything else can get fucked.
>>320467184
that's why i quoted the guy who was talking about MP
>>320465867
>Witches are throwaway as fuck
I loved the Witches fight the first time around. It wasn't hard, but it constantly had me guessing what the mechanics of the fight were.
>how come I didn't do any damage there?
>I killed her, why isn't the fight over?
>oh shit how many are going to spawn?
>do I have to do something in the environment?
The fight was unique and memorable as fuck. Definitely not throwaway. Mentioning it as such makes me think you played with a guide or something.
>>320466814
lolwut? it's going to be the opposite actually. While everyone else still only has DaS2's slow ass combat; Bloodborne players have gotten used to a speedier game. You can see a lot of Bloodborne in the way DaS3 plays.
>>320467249
Not that guy but they were another Fool's Idol/Pinwheel. I completely destroyed the Witch's first playthrough blind and barely remembered they existed in other playthroughs.
>>320467249
>>320467184
I just list anything that is a pitiful boss as a throwaway honestly guys. Witches are so easy i didn't know what was going on and still took minimal maybe even no damage at all.
MP is just a flailing idiot where the only potential fear is if he gets you with numbing mist shit. But hes so easy to dodge that you can basically stay at his sides at every moment of the fight.
I also forgot to list BSB who is kinda alright boss fight but once you realize you can just walk to his left the entire time and he has no counter for it hes rather ass.
>>320467417
I didn't do enough damage to kill them before I had the chance to be entirely confused as to what was going on. The same with fool's idol not dying because I hadn't killed the guy. Maybe you fought the witches way later on in the game, but they weren't a throwaway experience in my first playthrough.
Sure, they're both really easy, but they do cause your brain to go into overdrive trying to figure out what the fuck is going on. I think there's more to a boss' memorability than just being difficult.
>>320465867
What about Paarl?
>>320467793
>tfw level 29
I got rekt so hard by that faggot.
>>320467793
And Amygdala.
>>320467793
yeah for real dis nigga has a shit memory
>>320467364
I was referring to adjusting to dodging since the roll and sidestep fucked everyone over from the transition from ds to bb
I'm just happy I've grown to be non reliant on shields
>Yfw BB was shield rehab
>>320467364
Bloodborne isn't that much faster than Souls 2 with light weapons.
People who have only played Bloodborne will get fucked over by varied builds they've not experienced and something as simple as basic stamina management.
>tfw finally got platinum today
Fucking stupid blades of mercy and fucking farming for final chalice
What is your favorite build, /v/? Tough call for me between Arc, Str, and Blt.skill is fine too
>>320467793
Man my str character had such a hard time even the unlock camera sit under him method was failing
Second playthrough with the whip just sat in front of this nigger and hit him with a few hits and visceral
Boss that took an hour with ludwigs took two minutes with the cane
Fuck
>>320468005
I love this false elitism.
Bloodborne is a lot faster.
you be stupid to assume that bloodborne fags are the ones who are going to have problems and not das2 fags.
>>320461062
It's GOTY.
>>320468023
skill now with the rakuyo
Game of the year.
>>320467586
It's like you just played the game for the boss fights and never payed attention to anything. There's generally a reason why the bosses are the way they are. They're not designed to be pitiful for the sake of being that way, there's lore reasons why they are they way they are. The story does tie into the boss fights and the story isn't bad and it's fairly interesting for someone who hasn't read anything by lovecraft.
>>320468096
Mate I've played them all and like them all. I've also played plenty of games that make Bloodborne's speed look like everything is moving in slow motion.
Bloodborne isn't that much faster than DaS2 with light armor and weapons.
>>320468096
If anything DS3 will be seeing a lot less turtles because of BB
>>320467918
I haven't used a shield since DeS so it didn't affect me. I just can't be passive.
>>320468005
have you not played Bloodborne man? play some Bloodborne and try and go back to DaS2. It is not fun. I had to turn the game off pretty quickly.
>>320468210
yeah I also played them all
So we both know BB is a lot faster than DaS2
Especially talking about dedicated pvp characters
So why do you think that out of all players the ones who prefer or only played BB would have the most trouble?
>>320465362
All the TTK updates, fixes, etc were free as part of the Year 2 patch.
The TTK expansion itself came with all previous DLC (which were effectively phased out so whoopdeefuckingdoo, one of my big gripes honestly) but even all that cost significantly less than $100.
>>320468276
I've gone back to das1 or demon's after bloodborne and they were still fun.
In a different way
DaS2 was also not fun even before playing bloodborne.
>>320468398
>So we both know BB is a lot faster than DaS2
It's slightly faster not a lot.
>So why do you think that out of all players the ones who prefer or only played BB would have the most trouble?
Because there's a lot more to think about in terms of build variety, armor variety, character play styles, stats, items, magic, archery etc etc.
Bloodborne is 1 note with the exception of a few weapons that mix things like like the Chikage.
>>320468590
Bloodborne has a lot more options in the core gameplay
you can combo
The actual weapons play more differently and are more varied than entire builds are between each other in DaS2.
Yeah I totally play different against this guy using a purple enchant on his weapon with the claymore moveset than the guy with the blue enchant and a weapon with almost the same claymore moveset.
There is nothing deep about building characters.
And even if there were they could just look it up.
at the end of the day the actual fighting is the important shit.
You are so retarded it is starting to make me sick.
>>320468590
armor has always been pretty much useless in Souls games except for maybe DaS1 where poise was a thing. Also there are many builds in Bloodborne and there are no useless stats in Bloodborne like in the other Souls games. Bloodborne also has magic with the use of tools and archery I guess you can count the bowblade. We get cannons, a wide variety of rifles and guns as well. trick weapons are amazing IMO. Sword arts is going to be cool in DaS3, but I am going to miss trick weapons.
>>320468920
>you can combo
You can in Dark Souls as well, to much more effect.
>The actual weapons play more differently and are more varied than entire builds are between each other in DaS2.
That's a lie.
>Yeah I totally play different against this guy using a purple enchant on his weapon with the claymore moveset than the guy with the blue enchant and a weapon with almost the same claymore moveset.
You barely pvp'd in Dark Souls.
>There is nothing deep about building characters.
You barely pve'd in Dark Souls
>And even if there were they could just look it up.
You think knowing about something and executing it or defending against it is the same thing.
>at the end of the day the actual fighting is the important shit.
Now you're just contradicting yourself.
>You are so retarded it is starting to make me sick.
No anon, you are the retard.
>>320469107
Oh god that spacing.
I am stupid for not realizing I have been talking to reddit all this time.
>>320469239
Yeah, why isn't it all clumped up into a hard to read block of text?
>>320469239
What?
>tfw get Rakuyo
Jesus Christ fuck those faggots.
>>320461772
>worse than Dark souls 2
I just beat the game and I felt like I missed everything. Really want to go back through and play everything with a guide now.
Gehrman gave some serious Gwyn vibes though. As fun as it is, they should probably stop making these bosses susceptible to parry.
>>320469379
>oh no, this guy might actually kill me, better call back up!
>>320461062
no. it's a great game. don't see many games do the Lovecraft theme, let alone do it well.
>>320464923
>bloodborne is interconnected in the same way the world of DaS2 is interconnected.
Get a load of this PCkeklord
>>320469891
yeah seriously. You can run through the whole world without ever seeing a loading screen except for cainhurst and mensis.
>>320461062
The Souls games are all poorly designed, muddy art, horrible swordplay meme games. The only reason they are popular is because it is "le hardest game XD" and playing it makes you a MLGPRO BRO
>>320470041
put some effort into next time.
>>320470041
> meme games
meme games for meme posters
>>320470014
Bloodborne also has a lot of loopbacks and random shortcuts leading to other areas, and many landmarks visible from many areas, much like DaS1.
>>320470143
I'm not even joking. I don't know how this series got so popular but horrible combat, outdated visuals, cliched settings and boring sound design are apparently what people look for in a game.
>>320470389
Why are you here?
>>320470389
if everything you said was true then it wouldn't be popular now would it?
fucking retard
>>320470480
I was asking you.
>>320470506
Yes, they would, because everyone in the world is dumb except me. Fucking faggot. Go back to Reddit. Redditfaggot.
>>320463736
>I only found a shortcut back to the clinic through some poison cave.
That's the only entrance, did you find anything inside?
>>320470537
You didn't ask a question.
just picked it up today, some things I noticed:
>Lack of options at start: pogression is linear
>Weapons are too "samey" at start and Saw Blade is the objective best
>Not enough gear early in the game
>A lot of enemies feel cheesy
>I feel really weak (health-wise)
>Blood vials are retarded: You either have way too many and it's extremely easy,or you have too few and feel like your scraping by
>Guns were overblown and feel lame
>Blood echoes are hard to come by at the srart of the game
>>320466506
wtf everyone knew the beasts were human. its how, why, and the character stories within the world that make the story just like every other story you glib fuck.
>tfw found the clinic after fucking around
>I missed it before because I pussied out with the octopus guy
>Completely forgot to return
I'm so retarded, should just kill myself. Went back in and there was an ayylium. Killed it, and it gave me Arianna's shoes which I suppose was the name of the prostitute.
At least I think to finally have spme shit to get to Cainhurst, though I can't pick Iosefka's blood vial now.
>>320470839
don't worry the world opens up after killing the 4th boss. Or 3rd depending on if you do the optional one or not. There are whole areas you can miss in this game and still beat it. You gotsta explore to see them all.
>>320468061
now try him with blades of mercy and cry
>>320470839
thats because guns are used to parry, not cause damage
>>320471042
what sort of tears?
>>320470634
Yes, I did just now. >>320470953
Feels bad, everyone transformed, not sure if Iosefka's fault or not as she was also transformed. I never talked to the 2 persons I sent there, fuck me. Should've send them all to the chapel.
>>320470839
The game being linear at the start and not opening up until after vicar Amelia is my main problem with it too. It makes every alt feel the same for the first few hours. Your other points are just a result of you being new to the game and needing to git gud.
>>320471042
Blades of Mercy are like the easiest weapon in the game to use. The thrust out of dash is so ridiculously good.
>>320471323
>The game being linear at the start and not opening up until after vicar Amelia is my main problem with it too.
This was a problem with DaS2 as well it takes far too long to get weapons you actually wanted to upgrade for certain builds.
Man if only there was a omni-directional dodge mod for Dark Souls 1 I'd replay the shit out of that right now.
>>320463063
>•Shit hitboxes
Provide proof of claim.
•Auto aim attacks from enemies
First off, it's not "auto aim." Auto aim would imply enemies like the giant Fish Men, the various Hunters or the Church Doctors don't have to aim, they will hit you no matter what. When in reality, they don't. They are doing the exact same thing you do when using a move and not locked on; it's literally just giving certain moves more coverage so that the enemies don't have huge blind spots. Not to mention fact that not many nemies have these kind of moves.
•Enemies magically attack at top speed while in staggering animation frame
Literally impossible.
>•Edge dark world with no color, also looks like a late ps3 game
>Hurr durr the Gothic city areas have dark colored buuldings, therefore all areas in the game are dark and edgy
lol
>>320471323
Amelia is pretty early on, though. She's the second mandatory boss.
I never really minded it, fighting Gascoigne is almost like a rite of passage.
>>320471282
Did you find Iosefka trying to give birth to something? If you kill her you get 1/3 umbilical cords.
Iosefka is one of the last members of the church and she's desperately trying to ascend humanity because yarhnam is doomed.
When the blood moon hangs low Iosefka and the prostitute are impregnated by Oeden hence the umbilical cord from the baby old god you get from both of them.
"Every Great One loses its child, and then yearns for a surrogate, and Oedon, the formless Great One, is no different. To think, it was corrupted blood that began this eldritch liaison."
>>320472050
you mean fake iosefka.
Original iosefka was just a nice blood saint
YOU PLAGUE RIDDEN RAT
>>320472276
THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT
>>320472050
No, everyone transformed. I just ended their misery. There's some woman in white at the end of the clinic, but she's didn't really do shit, seems like she'll transform too eventually. I thought the whole Blood Moon thing was about that weird skeleton woman in white you see at some locations.
I think I'm fucked for this playthrough, I'll just finish the rest of what I can and see if I can get to Cainhurst from Hemwick, with the invitation I found.
say what you want but at least ds2 didnt have a vague as shit story that needed fanfiction to piece them together
you came in intent on curing the curse, fucked shit up and cured your curse
>>320465713
don't even try to argue with monkeys man
they just gonna growl something meaningless in their frustration for a banana
>>320464029
>what is The Maiden in Black
>>320473072
The maiden in black says her incantation WHILE you level up
Not BEFORE you choose your stats
That is why the doll and green firekeeper are so fucking annoying.
>>320472358
No, you're not fucked, you only need 3 umbilical cords. You can still get 1 from Iosefka when shes on all 4s on the table trying to give birth, from the abandoned workshop, and from the mergo's wet nurse boss.
The skeletal woman is Queen Yarhnam of the Pthumerians, mother of the dead baby great one Mergo, and the head of the corrupted bloodline that leads down to Annalise and Arianna.
>Reach Hemwick with invitation
>Carriage comes to pick me up
>Snowy creepy castle
God damn this shit is practically telling me that I'm fucked. Dracula flashbacks and everything.
>>320473203
I got Mergo's Wet Nurse only. Iosefka is that weird NPC at the bottom then?
This is weird, there were 3 aliens, I only had 2 people sent to her.
>>320469107
>You can in Dark Souls as well, to much more effect.
lol no you cannot. The average weapon in Bloodborne has more moves than the average weapon in Dark Souls by quite a bit -- especially in terms of varying utility. Not to mention the fact that comboing from transformation is far more rewarding than comboing from dual wielding in Dark Souls 2 due to the fact that dual wielding was restricted to certain combinations in that game, which led to dual wielding the same weapon and other weapons with very similar movesets to occur. You couldn't even combo into a different moveset in Dark Souls; most combos were very limited -- like R1 R1 R1 or maybe R2 R2. You also have to consider the enlarged stamina consumption per input in the other games -- it inherently fucks up combo game.
>>320469107
No, it's not.
The weapons are far superior due to the new transform mechanic (combos and two weapons in one.) They also have more moves and make some really crazy weapon combinations giving you a fuckton of utility comparatively. Just take the MLGS compared in this game to how it was in past games: http://darksouls.wikidot.com/moonlight-greatsword
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Holy+Moonlight+Sword
There are more moves for either transformation compared to either 1-hand/2-hand in Dark Souls. Not to mention how much the moveset changes from transformations to changing how many hands. It's easy to see which design is superior. This example details most weapons in Bloodborne vs weapons in Dark Souls.
Another thing different about the weapons is the fact that weapons within a category are very similar. There are about 10 or so categories of weapons in Dark Souls; many bottom feeder weapons in those categories are blatantly useless and even the worthwhile weapons are very similar to each other, as I said, when they're in the same category/weapon type.
You can't say the same about Bloodborne. There is like, 25? The large majority are unique to one another and none are useless.
Now, this conversation was about builds; clearly the weapons are superior in Bloodborne, but what about build variety? Well, first off let's note the fact that enemy designs are superior in complexity of moveset, ai behavior, placement, and variety. This game also has superior combat mechanics, like regeneration from attacking, quick-step lock-on movement, improved stamina system, and off hand weapons that: 1) Stagger 2) Interrupt attack animations 3) Provide varying forms of use (far more so than shields) such as Cannons, Sprayers, Rifles, a fist weapon a Gatling Gun, and so on. It's clear to see gameplay took a massive imrovement in many areas that provide far superior to gameplay than Dark Souls.
>>320465427
I have 200 hours in dark souls, I went and did everything aside from torturing myself to doing challenge runs. There's enough other games out there to play that I don't need to bleed stones. Even if they're meth rocks.
>>320465867
ROM killed me roughly 40 times my first playthrough, no explanation, he's never beaten me again, it was probably 40x of a spider just killing me from above. I even passed the controller off to people who'd beaten it, they didn't beat him either.
I was cursed that run, ROM was by far the hardest challenge for me to get past, overleveled my kirk hammer until it took roughly 8 R2's to kill the bitch, ignored the spiders.
>>320469107
For build variety admittedly Bloodborne only really improves upon Sorcery with Arcane. Covenants were always not very good. Bloodborne has quality this time, but not quanitity in that regard. You can still roleplay as quite a few different things, utlitize many items, use a Blood Gem system that improved upon Transfusion.
(Had to break this shit up into posts because I'm retarded.)
>>320473230
Cainhurst Castle is one of the best areas in the game. Great atmosphere and the boss is incredible.
>>320473396
Specifically, there was the real Iosefka and an impostor Iosefka. The ayylien you killed that dropped Iosefka's blood vial was the real one, transformed. The one on all fours on the table is impostor Iosefka. She experiments on the people you send to her, and drops the Third Cord when killed after the blood moon descends.
Just finished reading the Paleblood Hunt. Jeez
>>320461062
The game is 10/10 but I lost my save when I got the limited edition mgs v console..... I just can't bring myself to do it again.
How do you guys find the time to play bloodborne?
It's extremely difficult and takes forever to get anywhere in the game.
Don't you guys have jobs or girlfriends or friends or anything?
Bloodborne is the best Souls game aside from Dark Souls
>Extremely cool and varied weapons that all serve their own purpose
>Great world/level design that's rewarding to explore
>Enjoyable playstyle that increases the pace while keeping what was good about Souls games
>Consistently good bosses
>Amazing soundtrack even by Souls standards
The only big problem is that it lacks a bit in variety. If you don't like the playstyle that the game promotes you don't really get any other options. You can't be a tanky dude in armour with a shield, you can't be a fistfighter, you can sort of be a mage but not very effectively until late in the game and your options for what to use are pretty limited, etc. Personally I don't care much because I was already a melee/dodge-happy player in Souls and that's pretty much the default playstyle of Bloodborne, but I can see how it would bother people.
Chalice dungeons are also kind of lame, they're not up to the level of quality of the rest of the game. I don't really care that much because even if you removed them entirely you've still got a full, solid game about the same size as Dark Souls, if not bigger, but they are a relatively low point in an otherwise fantastic experience. Even most of the chalice dungeon-only bosses are worse than the main game bosses.
>>320475615
i beat the game in like less than 20 hours
>>320475615
You need to git gud.
>>320463349
Like what? I was thinking about getting ttk for Christmas.
It has the best story out of all Miyazaki's games, fantastic level and world design, improved combat over its predecessors and a more interesting weapon system. It might just be his best overall. If Chalice dungeons weren't life draining and end game materials were easier to come by, it might be one of the best ever.
>>320475672
How do you "git gud" at this game? I just keep getting killed.
I get killed by the monsterwolf thing right at the beginning....and I keep getting killed by random scarecrow looking men with fire weapons right after
After that I just popped the disk out and went back to Uncharted, lol
>>320476105
can't tell if this is bait or not
>>320476105
Just keep trying anon.
After a while you will get better and it will click in your head
I believe in you.
>>320476105
>After that I just popped the disk out and went back to Uncharted, lol
Same here, except I went back to Black Ops 3, lol
>>320476142
not baiting
spent 40$ on this two days ago
BB is too hard to be fun imo
>>320461062
Now that the memes have settled, can we all agree that OP is a most heinous faggot?
>The only big problem is that it lacks a bit in variety. If you don't like the playstyle that the game promotes you don't really get any other options. You can't be a tanky dude in armour with a shield, you can't be a fistfighter, you can sort of be a mage but not very effectively until late in the game and your options for what to use are pretty limited, etc. Personally I don't care much because I was already a melee/dodge-happy player in Souls and that's pretty much the default playstyle of Bloodborne, but I can see how it would bother people.
Not entirely true. The weapons in and of themselves give you entirely different playstyle options. You can play at multiple ranges (far superior ranged weaponry) far better in this game, as well as play at different paces (thanks to new movement options), different kinds of movesets/combo game; these variables offering many different unique options. Add the far superior off hand weapon addition and the combat system becomes very dynamic. I notice you talking about different Fantasy build archetypes, so maybe you meant that people should miss that as well, but that wouldn't really make much in this game considering unlike past Souls games, you already have a defined archetype in the form lf a Hunter no matter what.
>>320476436
Forgot to quote: >>320475636
the only parts of BB that aren't connected are the nightmare areas. People that say the game suck generalize it, because they have not played it.
>>320475636
I like chalice dungeons for the cool enemies they have. The teleporting ghosts and madmen are great.
Only xboxdrones talk shit about bb all the day because they doesn't have games to play
Bloodborne has the best
>gameplay
>level design
>world design
>enemies
>bosses
>weapons
>music
>atmosphere
>lore
People who think Demons Souls was the best are blinded by nostalgia and completely forget how clunky the combat was in that game. Not to mention 90% of the fights were boring gimmicks, and incredibly easy.
People who think Dark Souls was the best simply forget how utterly garbage the game turns out after O&S, not to mention how incredibly unbalanced and easy it was to cheese everything.
People who think Dark Souls II was the best are full blown fucking retards. End of story.
Also
>BB
>every weapon has over 14 different attacks
>souls
>every weapon has like 6 different attacks
>muh no replayability
>muh no weapon variety
Yes, people *actually* think like this.
>all the PCbro and Sonybro false flagging in this thread
>>320461062
Nope. Easily the best game of 2015. You got me to reply though. meme/10
>>320477091
Can any early boss in the other Souls games compare to this guy?
He was crazy fun and wrecked my shit the first couple tries.
>>320461919
Here's your (you)
>>320467249
Yeah, it's easily the easiest boss fight, but has an interesting lead up in the level and is super unique first time around. Like Pinwheel done right. It's easy but well designed.
>>320477290
Hell no.
I didn't have too hard of a time with him personally, but in terms of pure fun factor he's way better than any early-game Souls boss by a mile. A cool arena, a varied moveset, an overall fast pace to the fight, multiple distinct phases, and even a neat little weakness if you've explored the entire area before him (which I didn't actually know about until NG+, but hey). He also makes a perfect early wake-up call boss since you pretty much can't beat him without understanding the dodge and parry mechanics decently well. He's really well-done, and probably one of the better bosses in the game overall despite being literally the first mandatory boss battle..
>>320477430
That's how I feel about most of the bosses that people give shit for being easy. I think the only one in the main game that I was particularly underwhelmed by was Celestial Emissary. That was legitimately a throwaway boss. I think pretty much every other boss in the game was good to some extent.
>>320462249
>grind vials
I've got 4 characters atm and all of them hit the vial cap around the end of NG without grinding
>>320475615
I've played through it a fair bit.My girlfriend enjoys watching me play the souls games, but she's also played and finished DaS1 and 2 herself, and is working through Bloodbourne now
>>320463249
Some chalice only boss fights, best gems, beast claws, different versions of other weapons. I hate having to do the early ones, because they are so fucking boring and you don't really get anything worthwhile until depth 5. The depths 5 and the defiled chalice now have summons which make them way easier than before.
'we' will never all agree on personal taste.
>>320477952
>gf
GET
OUT
OF
MY
CHAN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>320461062
No it doesn't. But it's worse than previous souls games, and is pretty shit without the DLC
>>320461062
nah my GoTY for sure
>>320461062
If you're retarded yeah. Probably does suck.
>>320478315
It is probably my favorite miyazaki game. I wish the online was a bit better, but that is really my only complaint. I can see the ones about the weapons and armor not being as varied, but I just think it works for it.
>>320477290
i think he was a super cool boss. pretty easy though if you know how to parry, i had no trouble at all. im still on my first playthrough though so he will probably be tougher on ng+
>>320463005
>outsold by Splatoon
Well, you're talking about an audience (WiiU owners) who will probably buy anything that comes for it because it's got no fucking games.
>>320461062
Look I know you're mad it's not on PC, I'm annoyed about it as well, but this daily shitposting doesn't help anyone.
I'm level 44 and starting doing the new DLC
I find it hard to find people to cooperate with
is this typical? I tend to play at night and some times in the day.
SHIT GAME
>>320481136
Most people do the DLC at a higher level than that because it's pretty hard, especially once you get toLudwig
