why are western developer obssesed with realism? why they can't make a nice cartoony game for once?
Like Shantae, Skullgirls, Ori, Undertale , Shovel Knight and Rayman?
>>320435798
Nah those are meme games. /v/ isn't allowed to like them.
>>320435638
It's only a AAA thing. Indie titles focus on gameplay first obviously. But for some reason /v/ hates indie and third party games now.
As for AAA, it's because it sells. Games that are just interactive movies sell well, games with deep and interesting gameplay don't. Most people in the US play games on a console (which they use mostly to watch netflix on) and only play them for maybe 1-2 hours a day, 10-20 hours max into any single game. Most consumers also don't actually finish the game either especially if it requires any skill. This is why so many games have long ass intro sequences, but lame endings. That's the more important factor here.
>>320435638
What is cuphead?
>that fucking last mission
Shit was impossible as a kid
>>320435798
Don't forget Cities: Skylines (which is somewhat stylized for performance sake), Street Arena and Hotline Miami 2.
>doesn't sell
>most AAA developers don't know how to do anything but "realism"
>>320435906
>Shantae
>Meme game
Don't let those ballotfags fool you, the Shantae games are well liked here.
They do. Just not as popular as the AAA violent stuff.
Those Sega campaigns about Nintendo games being kiddy were too effective, a lot of adults still dismiss any cartoon style game.
>>320435638
Just hit up indie titles. But then you have a whole new range of problems to deal with.
>>320435936
>>320435906
/v/ doesn't like indie games because they're more popular now than ever before. Here on /v/, it's cool to hate popular things becauseI have no fucking clue.
>>320435638
Because they are all failed movie directors/screen writers who actually hate video games, and want to tell a story
>>320435798
Damn it's funny how all of these were highly inspired by Japanese games
Sunset overdrive?
>>320436036
we had so much time back then, it was good so it could eat up all of our day
>>320436427
its a endless cycle, hating indies is a meme, newfags come, see everybody else hating on them, start also hating indies even though they don't have solid reasons to
>>320436458
Or maybe it's responding to market demand.
Ubisoft makes Rayman Origins, sells like shit. Sequel doesn't sell much better. Both fantastic games with lots of content.
They go back to making Ubisoft Violent Tower Openworld Simulator 32, sells a shit-ton.
>>320436427
>/v/ is one person
>some indie games are good so all of them are
Stop with the generalizations
>>320436561
suck my dick
>>320435638
Gauntlet still exists, you know.
>>320437013
funny, because it's the western 3D games that are crap because they approach it like it's real
>>320435798
>mention 6 games
>5 of them are indie
>he thinks indie games are real games
>>320435638
LBP1,2, and 3
>>320437013
Oh for fucks sake.
>>320436810
It's ok, if I was a western cuck, I'd lash out too
>>320435638
Because cartoon things still = not mature. Why do you think they shit on anything remotely anime from Japan, but praise Dark Souls?
>>320437814
>Because cartoon things still = not mature
This hasn't been true in a long time
No one cares about being "mature" anymore
>>320435638
no idea
>>320438016
Ratchet and Clank is an old as fuck IP, though
>>320437814
>Because cartoon things still = not mature
This. They can get away with it for indie titles but not the big ones. I was watching a pal play DA: Inquisition yesterday, he literally spent 10 minutes standing in place mashing the attack button on a Dragon's leg. When I asked if he genuinely enjoyed doing that, he said "he liked how it was a real experience and that the deep story makes up for it".
>>320438162
it's half your age
>>320438332
I'm 18, so it's already been 9 years since RaC?
Huh
>>320435638
You mean something like this?
>>320438425
It's actually been about 13 years, I'm surprised.
>>320438497
And people wonder why we hate normalfags.
Those games do exist, just in a smaller number than before.
Serious stuff sells more, kids don't want to be kids anymore, it's 'not cool'.
>>320435638
You mean like Team Fortress 2, Dota 2, LoL, Orcs Must Die, Magicka, Sam and Max, Psychonauts, Grim Fandango, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Transistor, Bastion, Battleblock Theater, Cuphead, DivOS, Don't Starve, Terraria, Minecraft, Journey and Disney Infinity.
>>320438497
>>320438497
>children obsessed with being adult like it's a badge of maturity
Shocking
>>320438761
What kind of autism is this?
Do you think just listning a whole boatload of game is gonna refute OP in anyway?
OP never said they don't exist, just they're an incredibly small portion of the games
American shows can be cute and cartoony. Here a american show.
>>320438894
No because OP is a faggot
>>320438958
People like you truly are some kind of unsung hero.
>>320439117
>Here, have a fan animation of an American show
>>320438958
Who's the Han solo, the nigger?
No seriously I couldn't give less of a fuck about SW.
>>320439897
You know he isn't you contrarian fuccboi.
Why is the Simpsons so bad now?
>>320440003
I hope the black guy dies. He's fucking hideous. That should be his Sith name. Darth Hideous.
>>320440003
>contrarian just because I don't like SW
Fucking kill yourself. I saw the original trilogy in 2003 along with all aliens movies. It's not my kind of thing, I don't like the aesthetics.
I'm more of a LotR kind of guy.
>>320435638
because normalfags are immediately infatuated with the newest and shiniest display of realism. Developers are going to prioritize games that sell and as long as the majority of consumers continue to buy AAA garbage, that's all we're going to get
>Naughty Dog will never make a sequel to this
>Naughty Dog will forever be stuck in making generic-TPS moviegames
>>320440729
Jak 3?
>>320440379
No it'sHanwho dies.
>>320435638
It's not even about how realistic a game is, I don't mind that, what I dislike about western games the most is that they are barely games anymore, they are movies, no challenge, just a story and contextual button prompts
AAA sell on graphics alone. Realism is the best way to showcase graphics.
THEY MADE ONE AND NOBODY FUCKING BOUGHT IT OR CARED FUCK
I BLAME ALL OF YOU
>>320440729
They made 3 which is better. You should complain about there not being a true sequel to Jak 1 if anything.
>>320441051
Why would you want that stupid fucking garbage when you could play good games like Kinect Sports.
>>320441113
>>320440819
Meant to post Jak III cover. I wish they'd make Jak 4, it's what i'm saying.
>>320441240
Yeah after 3 I never played any of the spinoffs or sequels because I hear they're all mediocre which is a huge shame. Ratchet and Clank worsened slightly when they transitioned to a new generation but they're still very good games for the most part.
>>320440729
>Jak got 3 great games
>People bitch and moan they want more
>Crash got 3 excellent games
>People bitch and moan how there won't be any more
If there was only 1 Jak or Crash game I would understand, but there are at least 3 good games in the series.
>>320441836
Did he really scrap the idea of a sequel because he hated his fanbase?
>>320435638
because generally children play those games
devs have a bigger demographic targeting adults who usually do not buy cartoony games
>>320442290
likely
>>320439117
>0:08
lewd
>>320442290
how would a sequel to OFF even work? as vague as the game is with it's story at times it didn't seem to leave much room for a sequel
>>320442980
Prequel
>>320443276
>prequel about how the world changed to what it was
>ends asthe monstershows up
>>320441836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1EPegIzD2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQp5_Tm0RQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSXcTohfrbI&index=31&list=PL83509D03B924B5E9
dat soundtrack
>>320438637
That game is sex to my eyes. I hope it gets ported to PC someday. The creators captured old cartoons so well.
>>320437383
dont you have a 50 dollar map pack to buy
>>320442980
Tell me how you even interpreted the story, I figured I was ending a boy's coma (cuz aaaallll that shit in THE ROOM), unsure if that meant I killed him or if he woke up.
>>320444104
It's going to launch on steam
>>320444370
it's been a while since i played but i think how i interpreted was
>queen and her three henchmen try to make their perfect world
>batter shows up to purify everything because nobody is happy with the conditions despite how some speak
>destroys the source of the impureness and her offspring in order to prevent further despair (even though there's nobody to feel it anymore besides zacharie and the judge)
>seeing how the actions cause the only people who seemed to be even moderately happy (zacharie and judge) the only way to make the world pure and sadness-free is to turn it all off and start anew
i probably need to replay the game again soon, i feel like i missed some key details
>>320438761
The only good games there are:
>Psychonauts
>Jak and Daxter
>Sly Cooper
>Transistor
>Journey
>>320435798
>basically all Indie except Rayman which is still French
>>320435638
>why are western developer obssesed with what sells? why they can't make a nice unmarketable game for once?
>>320444370
How I saw it
>Game took place in Father's mind
>It was right after he killed his wife and kid for being sick all the time
>If the Batter wins, the Father killed himself
>If the Judge won, the Father would live with his guilt.
>>320435936
>Indie titles focus on gameplay first obviously
Yes, I suppose focusing on removing gameplay is focusing on gameplay in a way.
>>320445541
France is the most based country out there outside of Japan when it comes to media. Video games, cartoons, the comic industry there...Its a fucking amazing country.
Retro Studios is a western developer yet people hated it when they decided to make something cartoony
>>320446039
They're using Japanese IPs from a Japanese company and
>implying
They're games are always great.
>>320437013
Why did you make a picture of a /v/ post?
>>320445937
Just so long as you don't include Paris in there.
>>320445541
Ori is better
Get the hell outta here
>>320435638
Darksiders? Its slightly edgy beat em up Zelda.
>>320438265
>They can get away with it for indie titles but not the big ones.
Indies can only get away with it by making cartoons that degenerates want to fuck.
i'm making a cartoony game with the hand-crafted realism you'd expect of morrowind or other d&d inspired games
i hope you'll like it, /v/
>>320446421
post more about it
>>320446201
Never been and don't know anything about it beyond what people and friends say, so i wouldn't know. Was only talking about media anyways.
>>320435638
Because 99% of the time, cartoony means shit that makes you a faggot if you enjoy beyond the age of 14.
Straight realism sucks too though. Some kind of fantasy is always needed. But not the cartoony kind.
>>320446421
give the alpha fag
>>320446330
Its visually ugly and the beginning of the game is absolutely nothing like Zelda.
I started playing it recently since everyone told me it was like Zelda and so far I hate it. But I'm only at the beginning of the game so who knows.
>>320446127
DKC is a western series as a whole, the only thing Japanese about it is the name and the fact that Japanese people fund it.
>>320441240
The Last of Us started as Jak 4. Just replace those two characters with Jak and Daxter and that's how Jak 4 would have played.
>>320446502
you can have this art
if i start talking about it i can't stop so i'd rather get back to actually making the game rn
>>320435638
I have trouble enjoying things that aren't at the very least logical.
If it feels like things are arbitrarily decided, it breaks immersion.
"I shoot this guy in the head, he is a normal man, why isn't he dead? Creator decided to ham-fistedly add difficulty."
>>320445541
France is so small it might as well be indie though.
>>320446804
Killing things in one hit is retarded from a game design perspective, generally speaking.
>>320446791
>hand crafted realism
hmm did u use the right words
>>320435936
> 10-20 hours max into any single game
I put in usally around 30 to 40 per game, if I enjoy it
> inb4 console shitter
>>320446927
What? Why?
>>320446791
remind me a this
>>320447201
You are not indicative of the average console player. Most normies turn on their netflix box every once and a while to play their netflix simulator for a short amount of time.
Case in point, people actually like Until Dawn, and Bloodborne has an install base of 1/20th or something pathetic.
>>320435638
Only the AAA developers are obsessed with realism.
The indie developers have been making shitty pixel art platformers for years now.
Sega bashing Nintendo decades ago had a very powerful impact.
Sega's presence will always be around.
>>320438637
>cuphead
when
I've been looking at McBess artwork just to hype myself up
>>320447232
Because unless the level design is centered around the idea of being able to tactically take down enemies in one hit ala a head shot (see 007 Nightfire as an example of this), games might be too easy and thus unfun. You say hamfisted difficulty, but if a game is an RPG for instance, to allow the player the chance to wipe out an enemy in one hit, even if it would make realistic sense, would break the level scaling and type of challenge the gameplay is centered around. I suppose saying its generally retarded was dumb, but it depends on the type of game and the way the creators take the level design. If you used guns in a 3D platformer, a headshot one hit kill might be kind of silly.
>>320447014
i mean in the world of the game you actually play in of course
everything having a place and meaning when it comes to civilization, the daily lives of commoners, npcs having schedules, etc. like one big d&d campaign made by nintendo is what i'm aiming for
>>320439117
Quit being a faggot anon.
>>320447372
And its true about netflix.I try to get some of them to play games and half the time I get the "oh sorry my family wants to watch this" or "I in the middle the show". Fuck off and set your goddamn profile offline it gets annoying almost all the time.
>>320447858
is this ur first game
>>320439117
Gumball is such a great show. It doesn't need a fan animation to be good, as good as that animation is.
>>320439117
>Those are boys
MUH DICK
>>320435638
I'm not sure.
The truth is out there.4
![The_Simpsons_Hit_and_Run_cover[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hg23Hw6.png "The_Simpsons_Hit_and_Run_cover[1].png")
hey op, dunno if you know this show, but they made a pretty good game
>>320435936
>But for some reason /v/ hates indie and third party games now.
Don't know what you're talking about with hating third party games, but there's a good reason why /v/ hates indie games. Namely, because they're fucking ugly and have shit gameplay. They are complete abortions.
>>320448450
>not looking at the fucking thread before posting
get the fuck out
>>320448529
/v/ also sucks the dick nonstop of certain indie games that are either good or appeal to them.
see BoI:Rebirth for the first example, and RoR for the second, because that piece of shit is borderline unplayable.
>>320438742
You realize this person is more of a sperg than most people here right? The wider public loves action-fantasy shit. Thats why Skyrim was a huge seller and Marvel movies sell millions
THREADLY REMINDER THAT EAST VS WEST THREADS ARE CONSOLE VS PC CONSOLEWAR THREADS AND MUST BE REPORTED
![Viva_Pi%C3%B1ata_cover[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wamNgc7.jpg "Viva_Pi%C3%B1ata_cover[1].jpg")
>>320448668
and read what YOU shitters wrote? lol
also this op
>>320435638
Because realism sells you fucking idiot.
I don't want to play some unimmersive cartoon weeb shit, I want to see blood and grit and ugly men.
>>320449190
you don't have to buy a videogame to see your mum's gooch
>>320449045
>Viva Piñata will never return
>even if it did, it'd be a cell phone-tier hell of microtransactions
>>320449045
I really wish I could play Viva Pinata on PC.
>>320442290
What's the fanbase like? Just autisticly overhyping it?
>>320449843
You can.
>>320450083
Can you even play it with GFWL?
>>320450916
If you're playing a legit copy, sure.
>>320435638
Uncharted is so over-the-top that it's borderline cartoony. Hell, it's by the same guys that did Crash Bandicoot.
The fourth one's coming out and the rope swing mechanic is dead-on cartoon physics.
But /v/ likes to give it and the multiplayer shit because it's cartoony. So blame the faggots that like to hate everthing
>>320442290
the fanbase only got big and popular 2 years after the game came out
if the dev is thinking of the fanbase in any facet as incentive not to make a sequel, he's just making excuses for otherwise just not wanting to do it, although Mortis Ghost probably never said anything about the fanbase
>>320437013
>We're constantly finding... new ways to interact with it
It's hard to take this seriously when shit like Fallout 4 exists
>Japan treats games as games
And that's bad because...?
>>320437013
christ
>>320436427
Something about monkeys and ladders.
Also I swear to god I'm gonna do that experiment myself some day just to put an end to those "that's not a real experiment" faggots. It's even more annoying than people who point out tomatoes are fruit or it's always "after midnight" any chance they get.
>for once
Clearly all the cartoony western games that exist don't cont.
