Xenoblade Chronicles is the best RPG of the past decade
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dy74NOzcS8
>>320430803
True, even if there haven't been many great RPGs of the last decade. Listening to this now after playing through XCX and I have absolutely no drive to go back to Mira- the original is simply the superior video game.
>>320430803
Xenoblade Chronicles is hands down the worst RPG of the past decade.
Even Dark Souls is better.
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Not even the best Xenoblade game
it was pretty average, nowhere near the best
Not even the best RPG on the wii
the fucking wii
>>320430803
>best RPG
>a JRPG
I want Reyn to get ahold of himself or get out.
>>320430803
Tales of Symphonia syndrome.
It's the best for you because it's the only RPG you've ever played besides pokemon.
You can spot the entry level shit taste from miles away.
Couldn't even finish it.
It looks amazing, especially considering the Wii's capabilities. But the game felt increasing like a fucking chore the more I played it. I also had to play it subbed because the dub was so cringe inducing it was off putting. I wanted to like it, I gave it a good 20 hours, I couldn't.
No amount of songs in the original come close to how hype this shit is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDyIooHmTWg
>>320432215
>dub was so cringe inducing
>>320432425
>this opinion I disagree with must be bait
>that will make me feel better
>Shounen tier shit
I bet you guys like Naruto too, the only good part of the game was the OST
>>320430803
>Decade
But anon that's not how you spell Suikoden 5, Tales Of The Abyss, or Trails In The Sky SC.
>>320432306
It is indeed hype when that song starts playing, but come on let's not pretend XC can't match it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq10Mwcvdxc
>>320432207
Tales fans are such fucking hipsters. Literally wallowing in garbage game after garbage game and refuse to admit symphonia was still the best after all this time.
>>320432513
Who are you quoting?
>>320432639
> Tales of the Abyss
How to spot shit taste 101. Backtracking: the game.
Jesus.
>>320432814
>Symphonia was the best
That's not how you spell Destiny 2 or Abyss anon
(Though Symphonia is most definitely one of few Tales games in that god-tier along those two)
>>320433036
>Backtracking
Literally the only thing wrong with it, everything else was done perfect or almost perfect for a JRPG.
>>320433178
>shit story that just drags on and on and on even after you thought you were near the end for the 3rd time
>horrible hypocritical writing and cast and no that's not the "point" of them
>world map bug that fucks your game
Only good things about that shit game was fields of fonon, and many people don't even like those, and last Tales with all free costumes
>>320432814
>Talesfags defending Xillia and Zesteria
>>320430803
>posts a song
>NOT VALAK MOUNTAIN NIGHT
WHAT THE FUCK MAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCo78e53uUc
>>320433392
>A story all about subverting the tired and true JRPG "Chosen One/Destined One" trope told through a completely original plot about cloning and tying it all together in the end about the value of life
>Shit
Oh I see you're just one of those Abyss hater babbys that was too retarded to understand the story and needs every JRPG that they play to be all "happy-happy fun time goody-goody characters~! with a spoonfed fluffy plot" or else they get triggered.
>>320433975
>not having a chosen one means subverting a cliche
Abyss fans really are stupid
>>320430803
X is better.
>>320432207
As opposed to playing what exactly? By that merit, I could claim the same for any platform you idiot.
>>320433392
And unskippable "interactions", Christ
>>320434124
>I didn't pay attention to the story: The Post
>>320433971
>that music combined with all the lights at night
Comfy as fuck
>>320434186
I like both, but nah. X combat is faster sure, and I do like having a ranged+melee weapon, but it is duller and overdrive is just spamming, chain attacks were more fun. Mira is a beautiful world, but climbing all over two giant dead gods was more special and not once in Mira have I experienced a "first time at night in Satorl Marsh" moment. And I don't even need to go into the boring story and characters of X do I?
>>320433975
>mfw I'm sharing a board with people who think they're intelligent for enjoying a Tales story
>>320430803
>an inferior version of FFXII that came out 4 years later
L O L
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>>320434585
12 starts of great, but after you go to Tomb of Dynast King, the story just ceases to exist. Plus as with most FF games, it's just fucking boring when all your characters are basically the same outside of limit breaks. 12 would be a great game if Matsuno finished, but as it is, it's just average.
>>320434825
>not playing IZJS
still better than xenokek regardless
>>320434967
>same game that just slaps together some shitty "classes"
Sure whatever you say pckek
>>320435060
>same game
yeah aside from the other changes
>shitty classes
?
>>320434483
> boring story and characters
As opposed to the one not characters and shonen present in chronicles..?
Both are good, but X not being a chore to play through wins out.
Also one of the tiered gardens in Sylvalum is beautiful at night
>>320435060
You can play both on pc anyway, no need to be a console warrior
>>320435256
>shonen
X is shonen aswell. So is every Xeno game, sorry kiddo, you aren't mature.
>>320435457
Show working son.
>>320435789
>it has like religious shit so it's mature seinen for mature people like me
Grow up. The only jrpgs that are "seinen" are really weird out there shit like Drakengard.
>>320430803
I really tried to like it but
>empty and boring goodiegoodie characters
>predictable story
>shitton of boring mmo-style sideq
>cheesy as fuck heart quests that made me cringe
>shit UI
>empty world (yeah it was good looking, but empty nonetheless)
>combat was pretty dissapointing
I liked the general setting and the music tough.
X is more fun
but C is the better game
>>320436005
*though
>>320435929
No. Tell me right now how X has any of the shounen tropes.
>>320436214
No. I'm not entertaining a child anymore. Tropes have nothing to do with demogrpahic you uneducated ape. The fact that you think "seinen" and "shonen" are genres shows how stupid you really are. The fact that you don't realize that moe cute games like Atelier are "seinen" more than your long drawn out adventure tales.
Between chronicles and x...
X had the better gameplay by a hilarious margin
X had the better world
C has a better paced story
X had overall better story and world building
Both have great soundtracks, X holds down the theme of the game better, C I'd say had more standout tracks
Both have great character interactions
C has the better cinematography. By a laughable amount.
C has more hype
X has higher stakes
X has better side missions
Overall both are brilliant
How's X? Thinking about buying it
>>320436570
>genre
Okay so you're either false flagging or trolling. Thanks. Bye.
>>320436717
Like Chronicles, but with much MUCH better gameplay and without the cartoonish (imo) characters
>>320436630
You forgot to mention how C doesn't make you run around finding your party members while X does. That is my main gripe about X. Who the fuck thought that was a good idea
>>320436630
>X had the better gameplay by a hilarious margin
>X had the better world
>X had overall better story and world building
>X has great character interactions
>X has higher stakes
>X has better side missions
This is so hilariously wrong I don't know where to start. I guess I'll just laugh at "humanity under threat of extinction by alien menance" and "all life on bionis under threat of extinction" are somehow different stakes.
>>320436570
>Moe games like Atelier are Seinen
This is actually true, cause Seinen simply means anything aimed to appeal to adult men, not how "mature" or "adult" a story is. Moeshit appeals to men's dicks therefore its Seinen.
>>320436630
>X has better side missions
>Tfw I got a guy Killed in a copter crash and got payed for it.
>>320436930
I think it's so heart to hearts are a thing
>>320436979
So you haven't played it
>>320437127
>So you haven't played it
I'm playing it right now moron. Raising Doug's affinity and it's stupid and annoying.
>>320437108
>tfw every mission either ends in heartbreak, attempted genocide, murder, or a cat getting rescued
>>320437218
How on earth, outside of the more subjective things in that post, can you possibly say that chronicles has better gameplay and world?
>>320433971
>not Satrol Marsh Night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YyJ9FQnMI
>>320432207
>It's the best for you because it's the only RPG you've ever played besides pokemon.
The fuck, where does this come from all of a sudden
I've played a handfull of JRPGs and Xenoblade is probably still the most consistently good JRPG I've ever played
>>320437314
Quite easily since X's combat is dull outside of Skells, soul voices is a stupid mechanic, that half of it's systems like gear development and having to go to where the character is to put them into your party are poorly implemented shit. That the world has barely any meat or history to it, it's just "mysterious". The story doesn't even take you to Cauldros.
>Y'all wight Shalk m8
>Oi geezer have a look at dis
>Witness the powah of da monado
>Ows it goin
Literally cancerous
>>320437669
AHM REALLY FEELIN IT
>>320437614
Okay?
>story doesn't take you to cauldros
Lol.
>>320437614
>X's combat is dull outside of Skells
Shit taste kid
>>320436979
X has faster and more diverse gameplay. C kinda gets repetitive
C has the better world, but X has the bigger world which makes it more fun to fuck around in
C has the better story
>>320430803
It's either this or Dark Souls. Fuck me, this game is so much better than XCX. Im genuinely kind of disappointed I bought a Smash machine for XCX.
I'm playing chronicles x right now, will probably be done during this holiday break.
GONNA PLAY CHRONICLES NEXT
When is it going on sales tho ?
>>320436979
>>320436630
>Both have great character interactions
Chronicles does.
X is fucking garbage. Most of the characters don't even talk to eachother, and the ones that do just repeat lame "eat Tatsu" jokes.
>>320434186
>Objectively worse story
>characters are all shit
>Silent MC done horribly
>Potatochan is fucking terrible
>Music goes from tear my ears out senpai to decent, at best.
>That fucking ending
I'll give you that exploring with the skells is awesome, the world is fun to explore, and the combat is arguably better. On all other regards, Xc is the superior game.
I'm enjoying XCX a lot but never played the original.
Is it ever coming to the Wi U eshop in America? I saw that it's been available in Europe for several months.
>>320438502
Affinity missions and even fucking interactions between the npcs are great.Did you just rush through the story you fuckhead?
I enjoy XCX more then XC.
>>320438562
>Silent MC done horribly
He was done right, since he really was the main character Elma was
>Music goes from tear my ears out senpai to decent, at best.
Shit taste family, Cauldros field music shits on everything in XC.
>>320438883
>I enjoy XCX more then XC.
This I only finished XC cause of hacks, having to do MMO tier sidequest to get decent XP was fucking retarded.
>>320430803
If I was able to get through this - sidequests and most of the bonus skill trees -can I get through a Fallout game?
I don't know how anyone could enjoy Xenoblade just because of the story.
Xenoblade was great because it did a lot of things right. Maybe nothing was exceptional by itself (even the music has its lows), but as a whole package it managed to be a wonderful experience.
X does everything the original did better (except for the story and arguably the soundtrack) and manages to keep things interesting from start to 100+ hours in. I also find refreshing to not have constant hand holding like most games nowadays; its been a while since I had this much fun.
Both games are great, but X is clearly the more polished one.
>>320438502
Affinity and side missions champ
>>320439235
>like most games nowadays
meant to say "UNlike most games nowadays"
>>320438562
>>Objectively worse story
I don't think you know what objective means
>>characters are all shit
Not at all
>>Silent MC done horribly
Not at all
>>Potatochan is fucking terrible
Just the shit at the start of story missions with that fucking riki rip off
>>Music goes from tear my ears out senpai to decent, at best.
Black Tar and NLA =/= the ost
>>That fucking ending
Sequel bait
>>320436630
>X had the better world
Its bigger, but that doesn't mean it's better. The original had fucking beautiful worlds, as well. This one is much more arguable than you let on.
>X had overall better story and world building
Lmao at least attempt to bait a little harder. The story tried too many attempts at being "Deep" and interesting. However, I dont give a shit about any of the characters, and if you've read a book after the 4th grade, the story is mediocre at best, and easily predictable.
>Both have great soundtracks
X has one of the worst overall soundtracks in a game. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a game I muted faster than this game, off the top of my head. Its laughably bad and pretty decent, at best.
>Both have great character interactions
Again, the side missions do show some okay interactions, but nothing that impressive. Actually, the fact that some of the side characters from side missions are miles more interesting and entertaining than the main characters is fucking unacceptable.
>X has higher stakes
I don't give a single fuck about any of the characters in this game. It would have been far more memorable for the ganglion to have won.
I mean, come on senpai.
>>320432814
Star Ocean is better anyway.
>>320438759
>>320439361
They are shit. And once again, just like the shallow fucking story, only involve Elma and Lin.
>>320438883
Same here. I mean they're both great, but XCX not being a chore with a number of unlikable characters edges it out for me.
Going to get flack for this, but I hated Shulk, Riki and that other girl and every time they were on screen I couldn't believe how badly they were written
>>320439696
I can also back up this claim.
And no, I did not speedrun the game. I played 80 hours and got to level 60 with my main party.
This game would not get anywhere near the attention it has gotten if it wasn't on Nintendo. This game is a 7/10 at best, but since nintenyearolds don't get any games, they have to fucking fall in love with everything that comes to their platform.
Name a more pointless character in a video game.you can't
>>320439993
TATSU IS NOT POINTLESS! TATSU IS TATSU!
But no seriously, this fucking character and its interactions with Lin made me want to skip all the pre-mission cutscenes.
>>320439235
>except for the story and arguably the soundtrack
See, I'd disagree here. The story and world itself its much more interesting to me, and all the xenos and shit interacting and learning about them was great.
I will say that XC does pacing much better, but at the end of the day, Shulks quest for revenge and the subsequent twists didn't do it for me. The only things I was really interested in were the mechon and how the face mechon worked, but they didn't explain all that much.
I still think X has a better integrated soundtrack, but XC has better stand out tracks. X has a way of making me feel like the music is absolutely the best possible suit for the game, whereas I feel like XCs soundtrack could be interchanged with any final fantasy or tales game and still have the same vibes. I guess it's because X has more of a cyber and mechanical feel while XC is more fantasy
>>320439951
Oh shut up with your console war crap kid, we've heard this crap in numerous threads.
>>320440263
>X has a way of making me feel like the music is absolutely the best possible suit for the game,
Yeah, it really suits the game when you can't fucking hear what characters are saying in a cutscene because of the stupid lyrics in the music. It suits it because they don't say anything interesting anyway so it doesn't matter if you miss it.
>>320437669
oi then there's this cheeky cunt.
>>320439567
>>X had the better world
>Its bigger, but that doesn't mean it's better. The original had fucking beautiful worlds, as well. This one is much more arguable than you let on.
I agree, bigger isn't always better. Except it's better outwith that.
>>X had overall better story and world building
>Lmao at least attempt to bait a little harder. The story tried too many attempts at being "Deep" and interesting. However, I dont give a shit about any of the characters, and if you've read a book after the 4th grade, the story is mediocre at best, and easily predictable.
Nice ad hominem anon, but let's stay on track. Humanity facing extinction, or one absolute mad man's quest to save his waifu? Come on.
>>Both have great soundtracks
>X has one of the worst overall soundtracks in a game. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a game I muted faster than this game, off the top of my head. Its laughably bad and pretty decent, at best.
Black Tar and NLA =/= the overall ost
>>Both have great character interactions
>Again, the side missions do show some okay interactions, but nothing that impressive. Actually, the fact that some of the side characters from side missions are miles more interesting and entertaining than the main characters is fucking unacceptable.
Subjective
>>X has higher stakes
>I don't give a single fuck about any of the characters in this game. It would have been far more memorable for the ganglion to have won.
Well that sounds like a "you" problem. Humanity getting wiped out and being saved by a rogue xeno and set up to colonize with other races while being hunted is indeed high stakes
>>320440459
Okay?
What's with all the infighting between chronicles and x fans? You know they're both by the same developer and on the same platform, right?
You know that point where it kind of devolves in to "charge your monado art incase you get one shotted while making sure to topple the opponent"? That's kinda where I lost interest
>>320440803
>>320440891
Can you kill yourself? It's fucking sad watching you pretend this game makes you feel like the humanity is under major pressure. Sure is high stakes to get them lifeholds when you run past one and nobody says shit and do side missions where they literally just leave one in the ocean for no reason. When you run into level 40+ ganglion in primordia who don't attack NLA and whoop your ass for no reason. When people "dying" doesn't matter because they are all robots who can be revived when they find the core. When the ganglion big attack on NLA results in barely any casualities.
>>320441225
Okay?
>When people "dying" doesn't matter because they are all robots who can be revived when they find the core
Lol.
>>320440998
so? I don't need like the game just because they made a different game I liked
>>320441320
>Okay?
Your go to response when you get btfo
>Lol
Characters in the game literally say this. Example when Marcus "dies"
You are a fucking idiot
>>320441460
Okay?
>btfo
No
Both are good you niggers.
>>320441589
X is 7/10 at best.
>>320441589
X is fucking trash and even Tackahacki admits it.
>>320441225
>It's fucking sad watching you pretend this game makes you feel like the humanity is under major pressure.
It's called immersion
>Sure is high stakes to get them lifeholds when you run past one and nobody says shit and do side missions where they literally just leave one in the ocean for no reason.
Story reasons
>When you run into level 40+ ganglion in primordia who don't attack NLA and whoop your ass for no reason.
Outposts aren't designed for assaults, you should know this
>When people "dying" doesn't matter because they are all robots who can be revived when they find the core.
Bit like when fiora died but she got better. Also the ending
>When the ganglion big attack on NLA results in barely any casualities.
Everyone that wasn't a blade was on the manon ship
>>320441754
>>320441639
Such samefagging holy fuck. Got nothing better to do son? No homework due in before Xmas break?
Stay salty
>>320440263
Yeah, I agree that X's soundtrack is overall great and very fitting, but as you said it lacks more "iconic" tracks if that makes any sense.
Gaur Plain, Engage the Enemy, and others are fantastic even if a bit overused.
X on the other hand has awesome tracks like CodenameZ or The key we’ve lost but they are barely used at all or eclipsed by Wir fliegen and Don't Worry (which are good tracks, but they get old quick and don't always fit the mood)
>The story and world itself its much more interesting to me
The world is interesting, yes, and a sequel could do great things to expand upon, but as a standalone game, I don't really think it holds up as well as XB which was pretty much self contained.
There's just so much stuff in X that went unanswered and plot points that didn't go anywhere.
Let's just all hope we do indeed get a Xenoblade X-2 or something.
>>320441767
>It's called immersion
Yeah and literally every other "defense" you mustered in response breaks that immersion you fucking ape.
>oh no, ganglion stole the black mech, but who really cares, it's not like we know what it does
Characters literally say this. Sure is high pressure and stakes.
>>320441754
Takahashi is more proud of X than Chronicles, though.
He literally wondered why people even enjoyed the original, he himself enjoys X a lot more.
>>320442059
>Characters literally say this.
Because they have more pressing matters at hand, and have to prioritize. Like the fucking doomclock ticking down, and if it reaches 0 they all die.
They also literally say this.
>mfw I just bought XC3DS
I hope I love it.
>>320442059
>>It's called immersion
>Yeah and literally every other "defense" you mustered in response breaks that immersion you fucking ape.
You can't immerse yourself in a game? Also nice ad hominem, thanks for confirming I'm chatting with a child
>>oh no, ganglion stole the black mech, but who really cares, it's not like we know what it does
>Characters literally say this. Sure is high pressure and stakes.
And then you go back to your original mission - looking for the life hold. The high stakes mission to save humanity. They made it clear they only got the march in the first place because the ganglion were showing interest in it. And then it bites then in the ass when they have to fight it later, because they chose to pursue the life hold as opposed to the mech.
>want to play them
>both games combined cost at least $160
>>320442417
Portable Xenoblade is best Xenoblade
X 3D when?
...
>>320442043
Good points, I think if the X ost had better choreography it would be goat. I just wish the next MS title is a sequel, I want more of this game world and continuity.
>>320442371
>>320442492
>pursue the lifehold
>literally leave one in the ocean that is intact after a side mission for no reason
>sit on their asses in a city all day
Amazing high stakes, I really felt the urgency of their quest for survival. The storytelling in this game is atrocious, but that's to be expected when the developer wanted to make his own Skyrim.
>>320442417
Who is this semon demon?
>>320442609
Get Chronicles on the esho-
>$
I am so sorry m8
>>320442675
They were looking and prioritising the core. You've been told this. Stop getting btfo and just leave you little child.
>>320442675
The lifehold CORE, you retard. Literally everything else, even other Lifehold parts, are just bullshit that they don't care about that much.
>>320442675
>>320442059
>>320441754
>>320441639
>>320441460
>>320441225
Holy fuck what is your deal? Did Takahashi molest you or something?
>>320430803
No Persona 4 came out in 06
>>320442838
>They were looking
Not shown in the game at all.
> prioritising the core.
That's why they attempt to retrieve the Archive Cores right? The game doesn't even tell you what is in the Lifehold in the ocean.
>>320442853
You are both retarded and ignorant.
>>320442983
I don't care or have anything against the developer you moron. The game is meh at best. It's that simple.
>>320443002
>Tfw really want to replay it but remember all the shitty vn parts
>>320431705
>Even Dark Souls is better.Dark Souls isn't an RPG
>>320443070
>Not shown in the game at all.
Because FrontierNav exists. You know, those probes you lay in the ground?
Jesus fuck, dude.
>>320443159
It's about as much of an rpg as this game.
>>320442663
Is it really?
>>320442685Akiko-san to Issho
>>320443101
>not playing Golden with the fast forward button for all the dialog
>>320443159
pls no
>>320443070
>>They were looking
>Not shown in the game at all.
Searching through frontiernav. You were told this.
>> prioritising the core.
>That's why they attempt to retrieve the Archive Cores right? The game doesn't even tell you what is in the Lifehold in the ocean.
The archives are supplemental information. Survival and activating the backup power was the priority. You were told this.
>You are both retarded and ignorant.
Look who's talking
>I don't care or have anything against the developer you moron. The game is meh at best. It's that simple.
And yet you're acting like he molested you. Literally called him a hack.
>>320443002
Yeah no. I knew Adachi was the killer within the 1st 20 minutes of the fucking game.
Also, the game isn't better than Persona 3 or other SMT games.
>>320443159
What the fuck?
It's an Action RPG.Does that mean its not an RPG?
Are you actually fucking stupid?
>>320430803
>Gaur Plains
How do I always fucking know before clicking the link? How do I do /v/ros?
>>320443210
I'm a portable man unless the game literally requires a console. If it can work on handheld, fantastic. Same reason I enjoyed TotA on 3DS and P4 on vita
>>320443215
Still
>>320443346
How on earth did you deduce that when he has a brief appearance
>>320443301
>Searching through frontiernav. You were told this.
And this is not high stakes or pressure for the player to feel. You've been told this.
>The archives are supplemental information.
They are the history, knowledge, culture,etc of Earth.
>Survival and activating the backup power was the priority.
So why bother attempting to retrieve this one, but not the one in the Ocean? You've been told this.
>Look who's talking
You, the ignorant one.
>Literally called him a hack.
No, I didn't you fucking idiot. I called this game 7/10 at best.
This game fucking fails miserably at immersing the player in a high stakes for humanity under pressure of extinction setting through it's awful storytelling. Get over it.
X is so bad compared to this
>>320443685
why?
Just finished Xenosaga
Everything about the Collective unconscious and U-DO is fucking radical, and Its really deep, and really convoluted,
But Xenoblade is still better.
Xenosaga may have the perfect works and all that lore, but it remains horribly unfinished.
Xenoblade finished its thoughts in one game. Two people fucked up the world in an experiment and became gods. Simple and effective.
Xenosaga could easily have been one game, there was no reason to drag it out over 3 mediocre rpgs and let it die in the end to never finish. All the exposition with Albedo and the filler of proto merkabah could have been backstory, all they needed was to get the Zohars, get to Mictam, and activate Zathustra.
>>320443346
I'm calling bullshit. I figured it out whilst choosing who it was when talking to IHATEBEINGAGIRL-chan.
If you're not baiting, how did you figure it out? Because he was always conveniently pushing you forward and where he "shouldn't be" "telling you things he shouldnt"
Im genuinely curious.
>>320443586
Because /v/ told him. He's also clearly one of those annoying Persona 3 fanatics who have to post how Persona 4 killed his family in every thread because he's butthurt it's more popular/better.
>>320443673
>>Searching through frontiernav. You were told this.
>And this is not high stakes or pressure for the player to feel. You've been told this.
I've been told this by a little bitch on /v/ who can't immerse himself in games, not in the game
>>The archives are supplemental information.
>They are the history, knowledge, culture,etc of Earth.
...as opposed to the survival of humans. You were told this.
>>Survival and activating the backup power was the priority.
>So why bother attempting to retrieve this one, but not the one in the Ocean? You've been told this.
See my first point.
>>Look who's talking
>You, the ignorant one.
Do you understand how conversation works?
>>Literally called him a hack.
>No, I didn't you fucking idiot. I called this game 7/10 at best.
See >>320441754
>This game fucking fails miserably at immersing the player in a high stakes for humanity under pressure of extinction setting through it's awful storytelling. Get over it.
In your opinion. Because you couldn't get immersed. Anything else you want to get off your chest champ?
>>320443673
>And this is not high stakes or pressure for the player to feel
Except, you know, gigantic fucking doomclock in the tallest tower of the city.
>They are the history, knowledge, culture,etc of Earth.
And what does history and culture mean in the face of complete extinction? Absolutely fucking nothing.
>So why bother attempting to retrieve this one, but not the one in the Ocean?
Because when you start out your team isn't as good as it is towards the endgame. You get increasingly more important missions as you go through the story.
At least try to think a little, autist maximus.
>>320443457
>I'm a portable man
Nothing beats playing games outside.
>>320444105
More like chilling on the couch while the tvs on in the background and the wife is making tea
So comfy
>>320443928
I think P3 vs P4 is far more subjective than most games being argued side by side. I can see why people would like one over the other.
It's fucking silly how much fighting ensues though.'sup dude
>>320444190
I wish I had acouch
>>320444418
I went years without a couch. Everyday I was chilling on a beanbag chair hoping for proper neck and lower neck support.
Hang in there bud. When the "one" comes along, you'll know.
>>320444006
>who can't immerse himself in games, not in the game
I immerse myself in games that don't fuck up their setting and storytelling which retarded dialogue and actions. Sure is high stakes doom and gloom when characters joke about how they will bring the dead guy back in a better looking body later.
>...as opposed to the survival of humans. You were told this.
And they still attempted to retrieve it, and the second one, not being their priority. You've been told this several times.
>See >>320441754
a post I did not make. Faggot.
>>320444021
>Except, you know, gigantic fucking doomclock in the tallest tower of the city.
That doesn't count down in real time. Who cares?
>And what does history and culture mean in the face of complete extinction? Absolutely fucking nothing.
Then why attempt to retrieve it at all?
>Because when you start out your team isn't as good as it is towards the endgame. You get increasingly more important missions as you go through the story.
Yeah, looking for lost cats sure is more important than a 3rd of humanity's knowledge and history.
>>320430803
Combat wise, it's really not. It's got an amazing gimmick though, I absolutely love the monado and future sight, which is somethin X, (For obvious reasons) Lacked.
After beating Vita and Lao, I decided just for the hell of it to go back and fight Dickson and Zanza. And I realized how different XC was over XCX. And not in a bad way, but a better one.
XC required you to be on your toes, if someone was about to die, you'd get a vision and a short amount of time to plan a strategy to save them, or redirect the attack. Not to mention usage of the monado was limited, and you had to choose between Buster/Shield/Sight/Speed for whatever the situation called for most, and then had to wait for the cooldown to recharge.
In X, You get none of that. Your AIs are dumb as doorknobs, they never revive you due to the 3000 TP system, which they never conserve. You can spam the same skill with no reprecussions (If you use a skill on an armored foe in xC, you'd likely be toppled) its almost like the whole Side/back hitting system doesn't even matter.
Skells are cool and all, but at the end of the day, theres no strategy, just button mashing skills as they pop up, Cockpit mode, and recycle. And if you have a super weapon, theres no skill period. everything dies in one hit.
XC was far more engaging then X.
Could someone who has never played a game in this series, and doesn't even know what kind of game it is, play this and still know what's going on?
>>320444542
>>who can't immerse himself in games, not in the game
>I immerse myself in games that don't fuck up their setting and storytelling which retarded dialogue and actions. Sure is high stakes doom and gloom when characters joke about how they will bring the dead guy back in a better looking body later.
No fun allowed then?
>>...as opposed to the survival of humans. You were told this.
>And they still attempted to retrieve it, and the second one, not being their priority. You've been told this several times.
Before they knew they were being hunted? And they sent a 4 man team, obviously not priority.
>>See >>320441754 #
>a post I did not make. Faggot.
Unlikely
>>320444761
All xeno games are stand alone, they have nothing to do with each other. Especially blade.
Its a spi
>>320444761
Chronicles and X are self contained
Gears is self contained but aged badly
Xenosaga 1 is amazing, don't bother with the sequels
>>320444021
>Because when you start out your team isn't as good as it is towards the endgame.
Elma's team is constantly referred to as the best team in NLA by everyone in the game from the beginning of the game.
>>320443841
Horrible. You are pretty much saying Xenoblade's simpleness makes it a better game over Saga's complex plot and characters.
No other RPG has the depth Xenosaga has and its sad to see people like you look down on it because of its complexity. And no, Xenosaga could have not been one game, only the 2nd was terrible. You obviously dont have a clear comprehension of the plot but I guess this is why you prefer Xenoblade and developers dumb down games these days.
At least you actually played the games and did not bitch about long cutscenes.
>>320444542
>And they still attempted to retrieve it, and the second one, not being their priority
Did you see the difference in the team they sent for the lifehold units and the core? Of course the units weren't a priority you moron.
>>320437669
>implying hamburger dubs aren't the real cancer
>>320445102
>2deep4u
>>320444878
>1 is amazing
Do people really hate the idea of collective unconscious and gods?
I always see people say they hate the ending of Xeno games because they deal with gods being in control.
Why? That's literally the coolest part.
Xeno 1 can't stand by itself. The story is horrible. Shion is an unlikeable whiny bitch who would sooner sacrifice her friends for a robot android that can't even understand or acknowledge her half the time, Rubido and Albedo are just kind of there, the Y data plays no signifigant role until 2. And proto merkaba isnt even complete.
Playing just 1 is horrible, you get no explanations to anything.
>>320444859
>>320444878
Good, was looking for something to play on my WiiU.
>>320445102
Holy hell get off your high horse there son
>>320445191
>implying nip writing isn't the real cancer
>>320439632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNauq6_9iP0
>>320445102
>No other RPG has the depth Xenosaga has
What is Xenogears. Other than that, I agree Xenoblade is overrated Trash and X is pretty good but doesn't even touch Saga and Gears
>>320445438
Not worse than the 1000th eat tatsu joke
>>320445102
>No other RPG has the depth Xenosaga has
Xenogears?
>>320442159
>He literally wondered why people even enjoyed the original
Seriously?
>>320445102
>You are pretty much saying Xenoblade's simpleness makes it a better game over Saga's complex plot and characters.
Then you misunderstand.
I enjoy Xenosaga quite a bit, but I still stand that blade handles its own ideal plot better.
Xenosaga deals with the artifacts of god and the revival of the eternal reccurence, and Shions journey through to become the key. It's a journey to understand the collective unconscious and how it effects both the imaginary, and non imaginary realms.
Xenoblade is a story that focuses on what makes someone human, and the will of playing god. Homs, high entia, noppon and mechon all come together to defy the will of the creator, because he thinks he has the power to toy with people lives.
Both deal with omnipotent gods, but both deal with different aspects of it.
>>320430803
Just started, got through the first fight with Metal Face, Anything I should know before i continue? I'm not sure what I should be looking for in armor/gems and what I should be spending my gold on.
>>320445438
If one bad game ruins a entire series then Tales is fucked even more.
>>320442609
Emulate the original.
>>320445102
XC doesn't have a better story than Xenosaga, but Xenosaga goes full retard more than a few times with its senseless religious references and how it integrates them to the plot, the whole Realian subplot is just about as stupid, and all its characters are either weak or inmensely hateable.
In short, both have shit stories, and Xenogears remains as the only decent one Takahashi has ever written.
The only good parts of Xenosaga's story were the ones that borrowed elements from Xenogears. Everything else? Just fucking shit.
At least X has good gameplay and nails the giant robots, though.
>tfw spent all spring and summer playing XC
>tfw currently loving the fuck out of XCX
>>320445730
More or less, he was surprised of the overwhelmingly positive reception on the West.
He's a lot more positive about XB in recent interviews, though.
>>320445613
I really tried and wanted to get into this game, but I just could not do it.
Story wise, I was actually very interested, but the combat and general gameplay is just so shit and boring to me.
I got to the town where you are meant to help Bart save his (Sister, or cousin, I think it was) and just dropped it. Also, I played it on psn and the text speed was unbearable.
>>320443841
I haven't played XS but I agree with what you said about Xenoblade only having to be one game, I am totally baffled why X has the name "Xenoblade" on it despite having only tangentially to do with the original. They literally could have called it anything else, removed the monapon, telethia, and lin's hair clips, and I would never know that it had anything to do with xb.I hate to be an elitist but I feel no real need to play x because it has fuck all to do with the original.
>>320446159
X has its name due to marketing purposes and the fact that it's probably the real "Xenoblade" Takahashi wanted to make.
>>320446298
Yeah, I don't give a fuck about what his vision is or whatever.
The original is amazing, I'm afraid playing X would ruin it for me.
>>320446547
Then go play Baten Kaitos, that's pretty much the closest you'll get to more of the original.
>>320445858
I could never take Gears seriously. The characters dialog is written as if it was done by a teen in middle school.
Combat in XCX sucks. AI party members are braindead, while they were competent in XC, overdrive is just spamming your shit and not strategic at all, I've been playing XCX for 50 hours and not once run into spike, other than using the stupid Ramjet Rifle, you can't get decent amounts of TP and your stupid party members never use theirs well unless you tell them to not use it at all. It's fun to gear up your skell, but combat there is even more shallow. You can kill shit 10 levels higher than you with G-Buster.
Also the bosses in XCX are boring and not challenging whatsover. Telethia Plume is like the only one, but it's a global online boss, so doesn't count.
>uh uh
>uh uh
>yeah
>>320445252
Going /sci/ here for a moment.
I personally love the theory. It's something i've always wondered my whole life as a kid. I didn't grow up with a religious background, and Immersed myself in science in grade school, mainly astronomy So I was always curious about what lies beyond what we know. But when logic and reason wouldn't explain thigns like where we go after death, and what happens to our memories when we die, I started realizing logic couldn't describe that, and i had to think illogically. So I used to have this chart where i figured we as people, exist in one circle, and our minds and ideas come from another like a radio broadcast.
When I grew up I learned other people had the same theories and became obsessed with works like Nietzsche,s writings, Which is what Takahashi bases his games on. So recently I've fallen in love with games that use those same basic principles, being the Xeno series, 999 and the morphogenetic wave theory, and tons of other Quantum causality stories. (Not bioshock though, that sucked horribly)
So games like this really feed my itch. I've always loved the ideas of God being a higher power unfathomable by humans, and yet the worlds we percieve as heaven and hell would exist on dimensional planes, rather then beyond the universe.
I mean we know what exists beyond earth's atmosphere, so dimensional planes are the only logical yet illogical explanation.
Tldr; I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT.
>>320446996
>Also the bosses in XCX are boring and not challenging whatsover. Telethia Plume is like the only one, but it's a global online boss, so doesn't count.
You clearly haven't fought the Neilnail Twins yet then.
>Time Limit
>Buffs themselves the fuck up
>One of them is completely shielded
>Can't use Skell
>Makes your TP magically dissappear whenever you try to accumulate it
Shit is fucking ridiculous.
![latest[6].png](https://i.imgur.com/6DxKWRa.png "latest[6].png")
>>320446996
>while they were competent in XC
>>320447402
Melia will IMEDIEATELY drop what shes doing and run over to you if you need a revive, even if she gets hurt doing so.
Lin and elma will sit there and ignore you. and use a TP healing skill on themselves even if they have enough to save you instead.
>>320447402
Melia's skill style is far too situational for an AI to use them well. Everyone else was fine unless you are an idiot who game them bad art setup.
>>320447535
When someone dies in XCX, that's it for them. I never have or can quickly get 3000 TP. This system is stupid. How are the fuck are you supposed to gain TP? I get like 20 from autoattacks. Not every class gets Blood Sacrifice.
>>320447924
There's plenty of TP building arts
>>320445252
I didn't hate the idea of a collective unconscious and Gods in Xenosaga, but I hated its implementation.
I simply think it being deeply rooted in christianity is stupid, and the connections ruined the story for me. It's not particularly pragmatic, nor is it self contained, and that's a huge issue in a sci-fi storyline.
I can deal with Gods of higher dimensions than ours, and of sentient beings beyond our control and scope, but I can't deal with sexy android girl being Mary Magdalene all along. I mean, I DIG this shit, but that's where I draw the line and say "yeah, this is fucking retarded".
Xenogears did it particularly well because it was still mildly grounded and managed to keep my suspension of disbelief, symbolism was just that and the story was self-contained and held up on its own. It was a crazy war A.I. playing god, and an actual god, far beyond humanity's scope, just playing a role in the story.
>>320432814
Tales of eternia is the best
>>320432207
this so fucking much
symphonia was fucking trash
>>320448070
>I draw the line at robot Mary Magadalene
>Xenogears still grounded and didn't break my disbelief
Xenofags are fucking retarded.
>>320444526
O-ok.
>>320448220
This.
Symphonia implements what it uses well, but it borrows WAAAAAY too much from Eternia.
>Craymels
>Two worlds interfereing with each other
>Mana balance
While I prefer Mithos and his ideals with Cruxis to what Shizel was doing, Eternia has the better setup.
>>320432814
Symphonia is amazingly overrated, by today's standards.
>>320433708
Xillia had better combat than any Tales game before it by leaps and bounds.
>>320448319
What is symbolism?
It still didn't go as full retard as "Jesus knew about the ayylmaos and Zanza 0.5 was there with him".
tales of symphonia is only good if it's your first tales because you were a fucking nintentoddler who didnt have a ps and were too young for SFC
>>320448650
You can stop spamming now. You've made your point and nobody cares. go post in /tog/
This is a xeno thread. your kind can fuck off.
>>320447636
Melia is best girl.
>>320448650
I had a ps2 and gamecube. ToS was and still is a great game and one of the best Tales. Have a nice day fag.
>>320448859
i bet you got gamecube before ps2 fag
XCX is literally the Japanese Skyrim for better or worse.
>Elitism
Symphonia isn't automatically bad because better Tales of games exist guys.
You don't have to hate the popular one to like the lesser. Like a series, not just one part of it.
This coming from someone who loves Rebirth and Phantasia.
>>320445794
anyone?
>>320449006
XCX is practically bug free
>>320449257
If you must know, you're a vessel for a god, and a hard boss is coming up named Xord.
Have fun.
>>320449048
it's fucking trash
>trash 3d combat
>trash characters
>trash story
>trash graphics
i cant remember the first one that got 3d combat right
>>320449048
I don't hate Symphonia, I just don't understand why people hail it as some god-tier RPG.
It's not elitism, it's recognizing that better games have come out since.
>>320449713
As someone who has played Symphonia 30+ times (I'm not kidding about 4-5 times a year.) It all has to do with what else a person plays.
Symphonia has a pretty neat story, its a bit basic and cliche, but its still a fun story with good characters and good ride. but if they aren't exposed to anything else, they won't understand anything else.
Its "Final fantasy 7 syndrome" as people call it, its the most popular of the bunch and the most well known to the public due to advertisement. It got core ads in every Nintendo power and HUGE spreads and interviews every month in the "RPG GAMER" sections. Same goes for Persona 3, Dragon quest 8, Pokemon RBY, etc.
I've played a crapton of RPGs, both W and J. Probably about 100+ at this rate. And while I won't say Symphonia ahs the ebst story of all time, it certainly has a story I still like and revisit every so often, and its not even my favorite tales game.
I just genuinely enjoy JRPGs. Always have, always will. Never had the misfortune of running into any I would call "bad" or at least so unplayable I flat out dropped.
bump for justice
>>320439993
The food jokes got old really fast. Would have been charming if it didn't happen so fucking often.
>>320430803
Question:
Are Xeno____ games like Final Fantasy where they are their own stories and universe unless it's an obvious direct sequel like Xenosaga?
Do I have to play Chronicles before I play X?
>>320453648
>Are Xeno____ games like Final Fantasy where they are their own stories and universe unless it's an obvious direct sequel like Xenosaga
No. All 4 are independant of each other, Only Saga has some stretched ties to Gears.
Blade has nothing to do with anything of Gears or Saga.
X has nothing to do with blade, and only borrows the concept of Gears from Xenogears, nothing else.
>>320442663
>X 3D When?
Either next portable gen, or a Vita port.
That, or a portable power supply, and a Wii U in your
backpack.
>>320454061
>or a Vita port.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Neptunia games are better
Final Fantasy XIII series is better
![thatsthejoke[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ol298wB.jpg "thatsthejoke[1].jpg")
>>320454146
>Both Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X would do massively well on PS4
>Nintendo won't let Monolithsoft bring them to the PS4.
>Xenogears and Xenoblade both have finished stories that make you feel great after beating them
>Xenosaga and X are unfinished pieces of crap that will never get finished and leave you forever wondering how they're supposed to end.
Why.
One of my headphone cans is busted.
I'm sad.
>>320430803
>play Xenoblade Chronicles
>switch to the dub for a bit
>get Fiora
>mfw the grunts everytime Fiora jumps
I don't need no new fetish right now.
>>320436630
>X had overall better story and world building
X fanboys are delusional. It's literally worse than XBC in every single way.
>>320436630
>X had the better gameplay by a hilarious margin
Variety, maybe but not better combat by any means. the Monado was individualized and called for a whole lot of strategic value in planning attacks. X just gave you more optioons for planning attacks, but did nothing to prevent you from spamming them to win, Something you couldn't do in XC without getting toppled or stunned as punishment.
>X had the better world
Also debatable. Bigger? yes. Better? not really. Noctilum and Sylvalum are pretty, but at the end of the day they hold nothing to Mechonis' capital and all the areas of Bionis like Satorl marsh.
>C has a better paced story
Agreed.
>X had overall better story and world building
Not agreed. X is an unfinished thought which will likely be left behind and never explained. see Xenosaga Takahashi is known for jumping ship from one project to the next.
>Both have great soundtracks,
XC is far more fitting and situational. Nothing in X had gravity. We heard the same exact boss themes over and over, the same event themes, they were after thoughts, not composed for the events the way XC was.
>Both have great character interactions
Wrong. Both have mediocre, but X is by far worse. Tatsu and lins shtick about imma eat joo got old after the first thre forced run ins with it.
>C has the better cinematography. By a laughable amount.
If you mean graphics sure, but the choreography was downright horrible. Go back and watch the Telethia attack scenes and dicksons battle in C if you want good direction.
>C has more hype
Disregarded. Hype is not a factor you fucking child.
>X has higher stakes
Are you fucking kidding me? X had no stakes whatsoever, alien elma could easily disconnect and recreate new life long before the power went out and escape instead of dicking around in a mim. C had a selfish god who palnned to re-invent the world and destroy everything just because he was bored with it. What kind of fucking stakes did X have?
>>320436630
Both have great soundtracks, X holds down the theme of the game better
Yeah because
I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT SEE YOU
OOOOOOOHHHHH HOOOO WHOOOAAAAA
and
UH UH, YEAH, UH, OH YEAH UHHH
Are totally what i'd expect to hear in the last bastion humanity has against the elements and struggling to survive.
How about something military? or at least Prestigious like a Galactic federation theme, a national anthem? something that inspires hope, not this low jerk rap crap
>>320444859
>All xeno games are stand alone, they have nothing to do with each other.
Except for Xenosaga 1-3 and Xenogears in every way they could tie them without tripping over copyrights and getting sued.
>>320430803
Last decade meaning the last 10 year or last decade as in 2000-2010?
Either way, you're wrong.
>>320430803
>Best RPG of the decade
Sorry but no. Best RPG of the last generation, being 7th gen? Sure. It doesn't have much to compete with, only Vesperia, Nier and Arc Rise
But decade includes all of 6th gen, which means the entirety of the GC, GBA, DS, PS2, Xbox and Dreamcast
You're running it against Symphonia, Baiten kaitos, Arcadia, Rogue Galaxy, Destiny R, Steambot chronicles, Okage, Dark Cloud, Ar Tonelico, Persona 3, Radiata stories, Grandia, Mana khemia, Star ocean 3, Dragonquest 8, FFXII, Crystal chronicles, Mario and luigi RPGs, Golden sun, Mother 3, Every pokemon from Ruby and sapphire, Battle network, The world ends with you, Radiant Historia and many, MANY more.
Xeno is good, but thats a pretty bold claim.
>>320460449
>Only console JRPGs count as competition
>90% of JRPGs were on handheld
Stopped reading there.
>>320460530
>Only console JRPGs count as competition
>Mario and luigi RPGs, Golden sun, Mother 3, Every pokemon from Ruby and sapphire, Battle network, The world ends with you, Radiant Historia and many, MANY more.
Try reading beyond the first sentence.
>>320460637
It was the second sentence. And there's no point to keep reading if you contradicted yourself later in the post.
>>320430803
it's literally just a single player mmo
>>320444943
>>320444021
The only competition for better team to Elma is Lao, and the only character more competant than her at the start is Nagi.
>>320430803
Nah, its good, but its a game that has a strong beginning, but its second half is so much weaker it hurts. X is the better game and even that I don't consider the best RPG, just another great one.
guess i'm in the minority in liking the tatsu is food joke
Watched a streamer play this for like 5 minutes. Looked like a single player MMO with boring combat
How accurate is my assessment?
>>320463082
They were great, ya moron!
Ya moron!
Ya moron!
Ya moron!
