>weapon durability
>>320351014
Diablo II did it well
>>320351185
not really
>>320351014
>Open World
>>320351231
yea, really, get rekt bitch
whats the right way to do weapon durability then op?
>>320351271
lol this
also
>stealth
>>320351336
xDDD
>>320351351
delete this
>>320351014
inventory weight limit
>>320351534
I beg to differ.
>>320351524
delete urself
"Action" RPGs.
>>320351014
Persistent world.
>>320351726
Ys Seven
>>320351783
Fucking this. I blame fable
>>320351271
>>320351392
>Open world stealth
>Procedural Generation
Early Roguelikes, as well as Rogue, were the only ones to get close to perfect.
>>320351014
Difficulty.
>>320351783
>>320351834
Jak and Daxter
>>320351014
It isn't too bad in Fire Emblem, just because most weapons are easily replaceable.
>>320351185
Diablo was a better game and actually did it better.
>>320351014
Swords in medieval times
>They held the sword by the blade
>>320351879
Well shit
tying single player to PVP
you need some degree of seperation or it will never be balanced
see dark souls
>>320351014
Health mechanics have been shit since the dawn of gaming.
>>320351918
Um, halfswording against opponents in heavier plate?
>>320351351
The only games weapon durability really belongs in are hardcore survival games where you have to scrounge for every bit of food and water and ammo and you have to carefully conserve every resource.
In any other game it's just pointless busywork that you have to do between quests just because.
ladders
>>320351879
nevermind I just looked up what persistent world meant
I was thinking of seamless world
>>320351671
>no one will ask you what game this is because /v/ is fully neo-/v/ now
Just kill me.
>>320351671
Item limit gets annoying though.
>>320351271
metroidvania level design is perfect for open world games
>>320351014
way of the samurai's heat system was brilliant it made weapon durability part of the combat mechanics
>>320352061
Explain how you would do it
>>320351980
To be fair, the unbalance was what pushed the pvp forward. Dark Souls could never have had a balanced pvp mode so just throwing in "anything goes" pvp wasn't a bad choice.
>>320351980
Or just attempting at balancing PvP in any MMO.
>the utter clusterfuck WoW became because of shit like this
>>320352216
That's why you have storage houses anon.
>>320352219
>Nightmare of Mensis
Yeah I think they are a nightmare too. My wife can be such a bitch when its her time of the month.
>>320351783
Fallout 4.
>>320352219
>metroidvania
>open world
Two completely different things.
>>320352219
Bloodborne's level design is so much worse than Dark Souls 1 though.
>>320352345
>Fallout 4
You stop right there buddy.
>>320351783
Shenmue
>>320352202
Looks lame desu
>>320352236
this
>weapon has heat which increases when you block or make bad strikes
>decreases when you back off
>push your sword past its limit and it breaks
>gives combat rhythm and tension
>>320351014
>Sword combatMount and Blade was close, as was Severance: Blade of Darkness, but both are so low budget and old/rudimentary that it's so limited in its representation.
>>320352379
the definition for open world is very vague if the levels are all connected the game has an open world
>>320352484
>Looks lame
Says literally every casual, ever.
>>320352484
B-B-But MUH GRAPHICS
>>320352582
this, but this one is acceptable. melee combat is impossible to really pull off with the limited inputs that a keyboard or controller can make.
we won't get life-like melee combat until VR and motion control reach near-perfection
>>320352202
It's in the fucking title on the window
Any "social" element.
>>320353428
What are VNs
What is Fire Emblem
>>320353667
Open world
Non linear story
>>320353820
I think planescape torment did a good job with those.
>>320352253
>>320352061
Exanima does it pretty all-right.
You can be hurt/knocked out or fatally wounded/die.
Temporary damage recovers, but fatal damage requires healing potions.
>>320352061
Far Cry 2 had an excellent health system that combined the best aspects of health packs and regenerating health.
>>320352061
Dwarf Fortress probably has one of the most extensive damage and health systems in a game, at least
>>320351014
The first Dark Cloud was serious shit when it came to weapon durability. Weapon breaks and its gone for good.
>Open chest
>Its a chest that completely destroys all durability
>Your weapon you have is the best one so far
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Fuck that. At least in DC2, if weapon breaks, you still have it but can't damage enemies till you fix it.
>>320351014
Is there any game where you can use bayonets? I can only think of World at War and Samurai Shodown.
>>320352951
With a keyboard it's absolutely possible and is really close to being pulled off successfully through a few different indie titles. With a controller it would be a lot more complicated but like having multiple different buttons as modifiers rather than a dedicated button like for example bumpers and triggers both being modifiers for other inputs so LT + button is different than LT + LB + button.
>>320354169
Fuck yeah, segmented health is GOD TIER.
>Health only regens in the segment you are down to
>To fully recover health you still need to find/use first aid kits
Hell even health that only regens to a certain point is also good where you still need first aid kits to fully recover.
>Just Cause 2 health only regens up to the 30% mark
>GTAV only regens up to the 50% mark
Both of those options still worked out well while keeping the game challenging.
>>320354448
Red Orchestra 2
Fallout 4
You will almost never use them though.
>>320354448fallout 4
>>320354239
You missed the best point for the people unfamiliar with Dark Cloud. You don't improve your character really, your one breakable weapon has your entire progression tied to it.
>>320352951
The bare bones of two handed combat is just 8 way blocking which is what mount and blade roughly emulates
There's obviously other stuff like angles and locks but realistically it's nothing that ridiculously impossible to get on a basic functional level
>>320351392
>He never played Thief 2
Crafting
>>320351846
say what you want about the game design and mission structure and story of mgs V, but the open world stealth was done very well
>>320352345
>>320353993
>Torment
>Non-linear story
>>320351231
yes really
>>320354010
I did quite enjoy that, although they need to keep updating the game. Combat needs some more types of maneuvers and different stances if it's going to ever be respected
>>320354448
Fallout 4.
Arkham combat
Until someone designs legit fantastic boss fights with that combat system and does more with the combat system period, i.e. designing more intrinsically interesting mechanics into the combat and also more advanced tech, then it'll only ever be 'decent'
>>320352582
I can think of multiple games that do sword combat fantastically.
>itt: random mechanics that I don't like but have clearly been done well in games before
literally only OP's post was spot on
>>320355654
>I can think of multiple games that do sword combat fantastically.
Please list them.
>>320355665
Fine, just for you.
>crafting
>magic
>time progression
>wardrobe customization
>hunger/thirst
>>320355716
Well since that Anon said, "sword combat" period and didn't specify "realistic sword combat," which is what I think he was going for:
>Devil May Cry
>Ninja Gaiden
>Bayonetta
>Metal Gear Rising
>Soulsborne
>Kingdom Hearts
>Onimusha
Economy. You either have way too much money or it's such a grind that it's pointless. Games are getting better at it but inevitably if you're sitting at the right amount the Awesome Thing +4 is worse than what you got grinding for the money.
>>320356275
>Onimusha
I love Samurai Evil as much as anyone, but combat is not exactly well designed. It actually benefits from how difficult it is to control to add to your tension.
>>320356517
I haven't played it in a long time but I remember it being pretty damn good.Looks great judging from YT
>>320356596
I can only speak for the first one, that's the only one I've played recently, but it has tank controls and is entirely about blocking.
Great game, I'm just not sold on the combat.
>>320356275
>Semantics
Fuck right off you insipid faggot.
>>320351014
monster hunter does it decently with sharpening
>>320355000
No it wasn't. There was nothing between the bases. the open world did nothing but make it more tedious.
>>320356421
I don't mind have all the money in the world but you never have to buy the best equipment usually you make/find it
Let me do something with the giant amounts of money I have like attach a stupid price tag to a broken weapon or let me buy something anything
Mass effect is so bad at the end of the first game after you get what you need its max credits then max Omnigel and then your still mining stuff for exp and the payout is like 4000 a gas cloud
>>320356770
I'm sad there's no HD remaster, I'm very curious about finally getting the chance to play the first two games again and finally getting a chance to play the third.
I'll pick them up off of Amazon eventually, I'm sure.
>>320356859
He DID say "sword combat" instead of specifying.
>>320352061
Fallout could be modded to provide an alright mechanic. They just need to bump the cripple rate up 2x-3x globally.
>Sword animation goes all the way through
>Does damage instead of actually being sliced in half
WOooow
>>320357129
Mass Effect was a weird example because you do buy the best weapons in the game. The requisition officer on the Citadel sells the Spectre guns which are the best guns by far. If they toned back the sell prices of tier VI+ gear, the economy would have been fine.
>>320357406
Nigga how boring would it be if swords actually did what they did in real life and just grievously wounded your enemies via slices and shit instead of chipping away at an invisible or visible health bar?Actually that could be cool as fuck if the game were actually designed around that mechanic, like Bushido Blade.Also multiple games actually do have satisfying as fuck cutting and delimbing, like Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden 2, and Metal Gear Rising.
>>320351918
>not knowing what is halfswording
>>320352345
>>320357784
I'd love to see a game where an average slice to the shoulder hits bone, bleeds profusely, and renders the arm limp. Where after a fight, they're almost always still alive and given up, and you sometimes have to make a moral decision to put them out of their misery before they bleed out or crawl around with one functioning arm and leg.
>>320358609
Literally Dwarf Fortress
>>320351014
Shadow Tower Abyss did it well.
Weapons break fast, and you can repair them at the cost of HP, but money and HP potions are rare.
You constantly find weapons and magic rings throughout the game, so it rewards going forward and not grinding.
>>320356226
>Magic
Magicka
>>320359349
>stack hp regen equipment
>win
Should mention it had superior limb based combat for >>320358609
>>320352345
>>320351783
Xenoblade Chronicles
>>320356421
Zelda 1
>>320353667
Sadly, social elements is what turned FE to what it is now: the persona 4 of FE games.
>>320354010
>Temporary damage recovers, but fatal damage requires healing potions.
So like halo?
>>320360724
Not really since in Halo you have both a regenerating shield and a life bar that need medikits.
>>320361275
Did you read his post?
Severance Blade of Darkness. Parrying with your weapon damages it, and eventually breaks it. You can't see the weapon's durability, and it's a constant risk every time you parry a very strong enemy that it could be the attack that breaks your sword. Creating a risk/benefit analysis every time you parry.
>>320351014
I like it in DkS. It's not very annoying but you still need to do it from time to time and it's a nice way to limit how you use some weapons in PvE.
>>320351783
Dark Souls
![468px-Carbine[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dGueUXg.jpg "468px-Carbine[1].jpg")
>>320354448
Resistance 3 has the M5A2 Carbine with a bayonet. Its actually very fun to use it with the Playstation Move gun controller and jab at the screen.
>>320351014
It's not exactly "durability" but Cave Story's weapon mechanic was really neat.
>>320354448
I think the metro games have bayonets
M&B warband napleonic wars. Well, you'll get stabbed to death by good players with a bayonet
>>320352061
That one Call of Cthulhu game did it very well, healing items were well done in it too.
>>320352587
>the definition for open world is very vague
No it isn't.
Weapon customisation, but that's usually because the main games with it are trying to get people to buy microtransactions.
Not enough melee weapons get customisation options either.
>>320352421
It's world design is worse, but it's individual levels are arguably better.
>>320354695
Speak for yourself. I used them all the time in both games.
>>320351849
>Early Roguelikes, as well as Rogue, were the only ones to get close to perfect.
OP said "done well", not "done perfect".
You know the phrase "do well but not perfect"? Kinda like that.
>>320352202
I doubt anyone is dumb enough not to check the image or filename before asking.
>>320351351
Don't.
What should happen with durability is not that the weapon breaks but the damage it does decreases and a cleaning animation happens while the character is walking before they sheath it.
>>320351671
putit
>>320356226
Are you me? Seems like half the mechanics from WRPGs, I fucking hate
I don't know if it's b/c they're implemented awfully or b/c they're just bad. No game, I don't want to drink a single bottle of beer, then get 'drunk' within the video game world, that's just not fun.
>>320357406
Jedi Outcast/Academy
>>320357784
yeah there is a reason why bushido blade FAILED even with Square's brand on it
actual realism never sells
not to mention its a taboo in japan to even sever limbs these days, they dont wanna be seen as gurofags
>>320363061
Oneechanbara. You can choose to clean it yourself, too. Swinging it in the air to shake the blood off is pretty cool.
>>320363762
>actual realism never sells
It also generally doesn't make for good gameplay.
>not to mention its a taboo in japan to even sever limbs these days, they dont wanna be seen as gurofags
Isn't that exactly why vanilla Ninja Gaiden 3 had no de-limbing at all?
>>320364161
>no de-limbing at all?
maybe?
I'd say de limbing in japan is skeletons in china tier
>>320358609
I recall this happening in metal gear rising
>>320364239
Well NG3: Razor's Edge had dismemberment so I guess it's not all censorship and whatnot.
>>320364161
>>320364239
de-limbing in a game will also be like, the only thing to get you a CERO Z rating, meaning it gets put on its special 18+ shelf that you have to be carded to buy. It's as bad as AO in America, except stores are still allowed to carry them. It's pretty much reserved for American games and then the super violent Japanese ones. So on these shelves, you'll find Skyrim, Grand Theft Auto, Assassin's Creed, and Ninja Gaiden 2.
>>320364441
I guess its mostly just taboo, they'll decensor it on murrican shores
like how in MGR:R in japan, they bled white instead of red
>>320364528
Actually, Japanese from what I've found are not too shocked by guro. Most of them are okay with things that are grotesque, and can deal with (while cringing) dismemberment and shit like that. But they can't watch scary movies with ghosts.
Pretty much the opposite of American girls, really.
>>320364525
Oh, huh. I didn't know it was that serious.Probably why Mortal Kombat never took off over there
>>320364620
I get the impression that it's mostly Japanese moralfags doing the censorship and that the Japanese probably don't give that much of a damn
>>320359267
I write down on a piece of paper some things I'd like to see in video games then try to imagine them while reading it and receive the same experience as playing Dwarf Fortress for the same content.
What a terrible suggestion, fuck you.
>>320364781
Sorry, both people you replied to were me.
I would agree, except I don't really see people speaking out against games or anything. It's more like a tradition that nobody wants to change or acknowledge has changed culturally. Just like everything else in Japan. Just like how genitals are censored. It has nothing to do with sensibilities, it's just that nobody knows how to approach it to get it changed, and nobody has tried.
Also worth noting you can't have nudity in a game without a cero Z rating. This is why japanese games do not show nipples.
>>320364901
Hhehehe.
>>320364998
I mean, to be fair, Americans (which is what I am, I have no idea what nationality you are), are pretty crazy about censoring nudity and 'protecting' our children from sexuality in general.
Lots of nations have weird cultural taboos like that, which are pretty dumb I guess
>>320360031
Kill yourself.
>>320351392
>>320351783
>>320351834
Goddammit Fable. The aging was the worst goddamned thing about that game. Would have been so much better with the day/night cycle, but just having story-triggered time jumps to make your character age in chunks instead of becoming an old man in two weeks.
I did a LOT of dicking around in Fable, and got pissed when my character was graying and wrinkly going into the Arena. I was like 5x the speed it should have gone.
>>320354448
metro 2033
>>320364620
My friend saw one of the Ring movies in Japan and I guess people started screaming bloody murder in the theater whenever something scary happened, and I mean seriously screaming. The screaming scared the absolute fuck out of him because he thought that something was actually happening in the theater like someone got stabbed but nope, just fucking loud Japs.
>>320351980
Should never be done anyway.
Seks. .
>>320368419
It's adorable as fuck.
>>320368419
They scream when they're having sex, of course they'll scream when scared.
>>320356421Victoria 2
>>320351392
>he never played blood money
I've always wanted a huge open world multiplayer war game with logistics out the asshole.
I don't want to shoot dudes. I just want to run supply caravans
I did this a lot in GW2's WvWvW mode and I made a fair bit of money doing it.
>>320362014
You are right. Open worlds = vast, open lands of pure emptiness
metroidvania = carefully designed, interesting open world.
That Ray of Hope mod for STALKER seems like it will be the only good "open world survival" game.
Every single other one plays like hot fucking garbage with terrible combat and they all look like ass.
>>320364528
>like how in MGR:R in japan, they bled white instead of red
That's not censorship, that's actually following MGS(and Policenauts) lore.
>>320351014
What is Vagrant Story amirite?
>>320372837
Except in MGS lore white cyborg blood is outdated by the SOP era. Even Gekko in 4 had the red stuff, Jack was behind the times.
>>320354448
Assassin's Creed games that have firearms
>>320360031
As someone who is currently playing Magicka, i can safely say yer full of shit
>>320351671
i dont remember elona having weapon durability
then again if you proof and bless your weapons makes it pretty much non-existant
>stealth game with realistically audible supressor noise
>>320354169
post that gif/webm where this guy is standing in the water and constantly is pulling out bullets, fragments and branches out of his body and regains helath to one bar again, please.
far cry 2 health system is a joke.
>>320362217
>Weapon customisation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_LwQHpEtz8
Morality system.
90% of the time you are just gonna lock yourself to either good or bad choices early in the game.
>>320351271
Xenoblade X actually did Open World justice.
>>320351671
>Let's Ragnarok!
>>320356226
>wardrobe customization
Dragon's Dogma is pretty nice for armor dressup.
>>320351392
>>stealth
>>320351014
If weapon durability was done realistically, your blade would chip the moment it met the first metallic object and shatter if you bashed it a few more times.
>>320375719
Why not Blood Dragon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxa23oKC-QE
>>320375823
>cancelled
>>320376185
because it's a shit game
>>320352061
I like Monster Hunter's pretty well.
>>320376253
do you kek think that any far cry game except the first one is any good
no for real
buzz off
>>320367691
>tfw 80 years old with a middle aged mom and barely legal sister
>>320351783
Dwarf Fortress is the king of all.
>>320351014
Ammo capicity
>>320351014
Durability is simply too hard to do. You have to strike the right balance, which is pretty much impossible. The way weapons get used in video games, they would last about a day. And a fully-fledged weapon maintenance and repair system would be way too fucking niche, no one's gonna put up with tedious shit like that.
I'd rather see it get ignored entirely than done halfheartedly.
>>320352202
At least neo-/v/ knows how to read the title bar
>>320352582
Butterlord soon, fellow Swadian
>>320351918
>>320351014
manual breathing, no but seriously somethings just aren't fun why would you have some RNG bullshit like that
>>320379352You are now aware of your tongue.
>>320379582
dont forget to blink
>>320379774
>>320379582
>>320379352
You are now manually pumping your heart
>>320379582
And your clothing
And your posture
And how your ass presses against the chair
Reminder to breathe and blink
Your hands are cold
You have something to do
>>320377537
This. Why am I only allowed to carry ten mags against dozens of enemies? Halo is the worst
>Find shotgun
>Only has two spare mags
>2 shots per elite, 4 per brute, whole mag per hunter
>Immediately throws 4 hunters + squad of elite rangers at you
>>320351014
What is Viking Conquest.
>ammo limit is per gun
>can carry enough minigun ammo to fire for a minute
>can't carry 10 pistol mags
>basic health and survival
>>320379123
Whatever the fuck happened to this game anyway?
>>320351534
yeah, but if there weren't a limit
developers would have to put less items on the map that could be pick-upable
otherwise people would just pick up all the useless scenery items up and sell em for 3 golds. which i think would fuck up the game
>professions in MMOs
pretty much everything you need is either dropped or bought
early access open world survival mmo
>>320381603
its still in development, the release date is spring 2016
>>320381603
Fuck do you mean? It was relatively freshly announced
