Because the last one was pretty good a few weeks back. Let's have a fallot lore thread.
So what do you want to talk about OP?
>>320255340
I think that Bethesda fallouts are shit, but i still enjoyed them, and i respect if other people think otherwise.
>>320257810
I can only really enjoy 3 when i treat it as completely separate from the rest of the series (which isn't exactly hard). Same with Tactics. Haven't played 4.
>>320255340
>>320256792
Lets talk about power armor. in the other games, you could just slap on power armor like you were putting on clothes and there was no fusion Core nvolvrd whatsoever? Is this just a retcon for the sake of gameplay or did I miss something?
When we have a lore thread can we talk about Mothership Zeta?
I loved that DLC. Objectively it's the best Fallout DLC we ever had
>>320258107
It's Bethesda not knowing/not giving a shit about previously established lore, but I don't mind the whole Fusion Core thing. People made it out to be that you could only walk around in Power Armor for a few minutes, which would've made it realistically impractical, but one Core lasts a long while.
The problem for me is people like the Atom Cats walking around with actual Power Armor.
>>320258107
Not really like putting on clothes, you still needed training in order to be able to use it.
>>320258921
try harder
>>320258107
The armor is fitted with a back-mounted TX-28 MicroFusion Pack which generates an output power of 60,000 Watts to power the HiFlo hydraulic systems built into the frame of the suit. Made of a poly-laminate composite, the outer shell of the T-51b is lightweight and capable of absorbing over 2500 Joules of kinetic impact. The 10-micron-thick silver ablative coating can reflect laser and other radiation emissions without damage to the composite subsurface. The armor usually carries enough fuel to last for ONE HUNDRED YEARS.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Power_armor
>>320257810
Yeah they are shit but still somehow_________fun_________
>>320258107
You could?
Thought you needed to jump through some hoops to do it in first, but maybe I'm just remembering wrong.Possibly because I never played first, started with two.
What is your favorite fallout map?
>>320259320
Only thing stopping you from getting Power Armor in the first game was that the Brotherhood had all of them. In the second game, it's possible to make a beeline for Navarro and get one 5 minutes in if you're lucky enough.
How do you think foreign characters (e.g. Tenpenny) reached the US?
>>320259086
>one hundred years
Well shit retcon for gameplay purposes. I hope theres a mod that can remove the fusion core mechanic on the nexus
>>320259612
Working boat, most likely, but given the fact that it's confirmed that there are fuck-huge mutant sea monsters out there, plus whatever radiation and debris is probably still out there, they shouldn't really be able to do that.
>>320255340
look i am still willing to agree that the creature missing in fallout 4 are missing because its a different region. Despite obvious DLC plans.
And the whole Jet being different is a pointless discussion because yes Jet is made with shit and yes you find prewar jet in the game. That does not mean that Jet was made before the war or that every wastelander refers to expired asthma inhaler as Jet.
And the whole power armor being different is true. But i actually like it since power armor was the be all and end all armor in every other fallout and if anything it was bullshit it didn't need power in the other games.
>>320259086
Fucking thank you. No I know having full reign in a F4 suit would be game breaking (although by level 15 with scrounger I already had enough .50 to last the next century) I wish they'd throw in a "super mega fusion core" that doesn't drain in one of the dlcs. My ocd flares up when I spend one despite the fact I have 100+
>>320259612
The rest of the world is fine and has quarantined the US for a better future
They smuggled themselves in
>>320258921
>>320259612
By the means of shitty writing.
Sooo, the Children of the Atom went from being a peaceful bunch of goobers in Megaton to assholes with no quest. Aight, cool beans Todd.
>>320260160
it just works
Does anyone have tips for making the dialogue and characters more interesting in 3? I can play 1-2 and read the dialogue every time, but as soon as I get to dialogue in 3 I just skip through it.
>>320257810
So you enjoy shit.
>>320260160
>expecting Bethesda to create new factions with things like "consistency" or "logical goals"
>>320260274
Subtitles, makes you actually read what they're saying instead of just listening.
>>320260160
Also if you just equip the hazmat suit while fighting them their gamma guns do nothing. And they aren't bright enough to switch weapons either..
>Balanced game
It just works
Is every single ghoul you meet in Fallout 4 supposed to be pre-war? It seemed like they were.
>>320259339
>turkish iceland
explain this
>>320260371
I expected more than that one encounter in the crater. Bethesda "hey, I've got an idea! We made Fallout 3 right? I'm pretty sure we did, remember those guys worshiping the bomb in Megaton? Well, lets throw in some plot through them! Maybe have a few of them tell the MC about the events after F3! Nah, that's fucking stupid! Just toss in 3 filler factions with no quests and a bunch of other shit propped up like toys in comical positions, lore doesn't mean shit up in here!"
>>320259339
What am I looking at here?
>>320259339
TypicalParadoxGameMap.png
>>320259339
The Wales-England border triggers me
>Falkland Islands II - The refalkening
kek
>>320259856
What if...Jet is a class of chemicals, applied in the same manner with similar effects, and Jet is the umbrella term for them. Not all amphetamines are equal and fuck knows what some illiterate raider in the future is cooking them from. Pre-war Jet is entirely possible.
While Fallout 4 certainly isn't my GOTY, and I think their lore is shite, my hours spent in it keep creeping up every weekend. I spend most of my time exploring with Curie and building shit, or doing detective work with Nick Valentine. Most of the actual quests in the game and other characters tend to be shit, so that should tell you something about the state of Bethesda's so-called "creative" team.
Way too many missed opportunities, imo. What this game reminds me of is Rage. Like, if you took Rage, added a massive amount of freedom, some RPG elements from Borderlands, along with a similar loot system, then added a decent crafting system, but a mediocre building system.
Only thing missing is buggy races.
>>320255340
>Fallout Lore Thread
Oh boy, I can't wait to argue with children about pointless shit like cats being supposedly extinct
>>320259339
>Free State of Irish Kerry
>>320261715
Thank christ...that shit was the worst padding...
Bethesda Fallouts are fun "dumb" games where you just mindlessly play them and enjoy exploring and shooting mans.
They don't really feel like proper Fallout games, I found them hard to go back to after playing NV.
>>320262029
>I hate this topic! Better click on it, type out a comment and post it.
Which families would've had a better future for New Reno? I know the wrights are kind of decent but they remind me too much of hickville.
>>320260705
John Hancock wasn't, he said he took some experimental anti-radiation drug and turned into one
>>320258107
Sake of gameplay.
Honestly if they actually put the 'story' part of thier game where the 'husband' character was in the military and you did a tutorial on how to use the new Power Armor, (whatever was used at 2077) no one on earth would have bitched.
Anyone know of any mods that make stealth not shit?
Who else is disappointed that Fallout 4 didn't have any new abominations other than the Mirelurk queen, Bloodbugs, and Mutant hound? Fuck there's not even any Centaurs. I guess it makes sense since the super mutants don't have vats to dip people in this time, but come on the Institute probably makes some fucked up shit they could dump into the wasteland like like those crazy fucks at Big MT
>>320263098
>Fallout Bait Discussion
You almost got me. Not this time though
I still think the big problem with the power armor in fo4 is just that it's so easy to stumble into, and if you aren't mindlessly wandering the game gives you one in a like 20 minutes.
And it really does GIVE you one, all the other games are huge exceptions, sure you can get them within a small or reasonable time frame of playing, but anyone bringing them up is being autistic on purpose for ignoring that you need prior knowledge about them or that they weren't supposed to be that easy to obtain in the first place.
>>320258979
The brotherhood have only just moved into boston though, which is presumably why it's just lying around everywhere still
>>320258107
Speaking of power armour, did anyone else feel like Bethesda blew their load early by just giving you a set of power armour within the first ~20 minutes and letting you go to town?
I really enjoyed getting the power armour training in NV but the downside for me, personally, was having to do the Vault 34 quest. Having the power armour feels more deserved in NV to me.
>>320255340
>started with NV which I loved right from the get-go but couldn't get into 3
>found it kinda hard to get into 1 & 2 but love the freedom and lore
feel free to call me a casual
>>320264207
>did anyone else feel like Bethesda blew their load early by just giving you a set of power armour within the first ~20 minutes and letting you go to town
Don't forget getting to murder a Deathclaw while you're at it.
>>320264207
Yes. It really felt like that story mission should have been mid game at least.
>>320264207
No, actually. It's pretty smart how they front loaded all the new features in the game because you can't actually *use* any of it to its full potential; the power armor breaks and needs power forcing you to explore, Sanctuary provides just enough resources to build some basic things but forces you to leave and find rarer parts for the cool stuff. It's actually good from a game design perspective because it motivates the people who don't care about story and just want to dick around in Wasteland Simulator 2288
>>320265080
This anon gets it. Bethesda has sort of become the people that give you a framework to a really awesome house, and you can see the potential there, but you realize that they suck at delivering a finished product, so they rely on other people to mod, or take what they started work on and polish it for them. Aside from the creative aspect, which they will never git gud at.
I just finished Fallout 2 a week ago.
New Vegas > FO1 > FO3 = FO4 > FO2
>>320265426
>>320264387
Nah, your not a casual. It's good that someone didn't give up midway through the first two games. You going to try tactics out?
>>320263404
My thing is, are there really emperor scorpions in Boston to warrant them existing? I feel like they have absolutely no place in Boston. Just so few creatures at all, what about snakes? Giant mutated fucking hydra looking serpents that make Deathclaws weak in the knees
>>320265865
Probably not.
>>320265080
I get what you're saying i.e. the drive to explore. For me, that drive is a result of wanting to find every skill magazine because I love the art of Astoundingly Awesome Tales/Grognak.
But to each their own I suppose!
>>320266117
That's why Bethesda games are so popular, everyone gets something different out of them.
>>320266082
Watch the cutscenes at least, pretty great stuff imo
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY1wqSFzzm4R2Ex-mu1hyw0S2IFIgLsem
>>320265915
They're popular pets so you can BS they're their descendants. Should have been spiders. That would have been fucking cool
>>320263404
They completely dropped the ball on creating new creatures for the east coast altogether in regards to natural mutations, FEV mutations, and just general sciencey messing around.
Even the weak explanation as to why deathclaws are there scorpions make no sense at all. It's like every kid had a desert animal as a pet for some reason in the years leading up to the war.
>>320267251
200 years is a long time. Plenty of time for 2 lizards to become hundreds of Deathclaws
>>320267143
Exactly bro. Spiders would have added a fucking scary element to the game. Mutated spiders stalking the commonwealth. I mean, give me more than a few new types of the same and like 1 new creature? If fucking cows could survive, I'm sure something could make it out alive
Here's a question somebody brought up before but never answered. Does Bethesda think the majority of people are descendants of people who didn't get inside a Vault?
>>320267998
So like, if you didn't come from a vault. New America has a really bad incest problem?
>>320267143
>>320267740
>they just copy-paste the spiders from skyrim
Monkey's paw
>>320255340
The institute invented nothing new, they basically stole everything they made from the BIG MT.
>>320267740
yeah, as a replacement for radscorpions. Like, how the fuck do scorpions suddenly show up in Massachusetts to begin with?
>>320268141
Well, how much shit did they copy and paste from Skyrim to start? Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.
>>320267740
>>320268219
>spiders
>scarier than scorpions
overall both suck because they're so unnatural to our senses
>>320267998
Well since there are more failed Vaults on the east coast that would be a good justification why the place is so backwards.
>>320268290
Not much, as far as I can tell. Most things feel like they are just repainted Fo3 assets though.
>>320268219
http://www.native-languages.org/massachusetts-animals.htm
Here is a list of animals straight from Mass. They have a snake, use it. Or a fucked up racoon or skunk. Shit Iunno, use what you got
>>320268378
They do, but I'd rather see Spiders, than Scorpions in Mass
>>320267998
>>320268129
pretty much yes, though because they're hacks they made wastelanders "normal" while the ones in point lookout are more canonically accurate (ie, people who live in such an irradiated area like the eastern seaboard turn into literal freaks and subhumans)
Fo3 and Fo4 make much more sense if they're set 5-20 years after the bombs dropped, not 200.
>>320258107
Well you see in my head-cannon It's because Boston sucks dick, and only was able to get the shitty version of power armors, like t-45d, and t-60, and that the versions of t-51b you see are just prototypes, also the X-01 is a rip off of enclave power armor some other faggots made.
>>320268469
They're new models. The art direction is almost the same as 3 so it does come off like that. especial the terminals and food. But once you go back and play 3 or NV you'll be like "holy shit these look like ass"
>>320265784
FO2 is at the end because it didn't improve any of the million problems FO1 had and was just a carbon copy of 1 just with tons of added humor.
Bethesda is shit at making games. I keep ignoring quests and exploration because I can't stomach sitting through 5 fucking minutes of loading every time I leave a building.
>>320269126
Probably my top three biggest issues. The loading screens, every fucking where. Why lord, why do I need to load the game just to enter a small area.
>>320269008
>it didn't improve any of the million problems FO1 had
But that's a lie anon
>>320269260
Witcher 3 had massive world and much better visuals with barely any loading screens in the game. In Fallout 4 I can't enter a a fucking cellar without running into one.
>>320269008
>FO2 is at the end because it didn't improve any of the million problems FO1 had
Trolling or retarded?
>>320269281
What did it improve. I'm not saying it's a bad game by any means. It's just extremely underwhelming as a sequel. No graphics improvements, no gameplay improvements and reused soundtrack. It follows also the very same structure of FO1 but there isn't even a big faction like BOS that you can join like in FO1. Anyone here that didn't feel like the three BOS bases weren't a gigantic dissapointment? Two of them aren't even bases, just two entrances without elevators.
>>320269545
It's quite a bit worse than FO1 even if it's a copy so no trolling involved.
>>320269514
I want to play W3, never got around to it. Hopefully when its on sale, I can get it.
>>320269126
SSD my man, I never get a loading screen in FO4 longer than a few seconds.
>>320263098
Is the person who keeps posting this the Colo Claw Fish of video games ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhz_l4mRPVw
>>320269810
Do it. One of the only games I can think of that have legit sweeping vistas
>>320269991
Whoever made that video is dumb.
>>320259086
Where does this info come from, tho
Is it bullshit Fallout Bible stuff or is it from an actual game
>>320269742
It improved melee, UI, companions and skills (making many of them actually useful) It had a lot of factions you could join, sure none of them are as iconic as BOS but many of them had as much content or even more.
>>320268214
what?
>>320270527
I think it's from Fallout 1 but I'm not sure
>>320259793
There already is for infinite fusion core. Just bang in one and you're set for life.
>>320270727
Yeah but it didn't improve the awful combat, the awful overview with still no option to make walls completely transparent and it was not a good decision to make the best armor in the game also a disguise that can go into any enemy territory without any problems. Also without a car and good outdoor skills it's completely luck to survive a trip to navarro.
>>320258921
Honestly between it and point lookout I enjoyed it alot just because I like campy alien movies and thats what it reminded me of, honestly dont give a shit about fallout lore. Loved me the energy weapons
>>320269742
Small guns stayed relevant throughout the whole game thanks to the gauss rifle. The world felt bigger, I loved that I could control what armor my companions wore.
>>320271189
>it didn't improve any of the million problems...
>Yeah but it didn't improve....
Bet you're a big hit at the debate clubs
>>320271472
On the contrary energy weapons were pretty awful because you could only get a gattling laser at the end of the game where it didn't matter anymore.
>>320271626
Are you seriously trying to nitpick an exaggeration? Yeah, it had some minor improvements but I meant the big problems.
Why does nobody talk about Fallout 4 lore?
>>320271989
>Yeah, it had some minor improvements
The ability to actually manage your party was not a minor improvement, among other things.
>>320269962
I have an SSD and loading screens still take like 10 seconds.
>>320272140
What lore?
>>320272140
Doesn't exist
>>320272195
I'm always playing lone wanderer so I don't know much about that.
>>320272220
>>320272238
We have 3 new factions though
>>320271189
>Without survival skills it's hard to cross a dangerous part of the map unharmed
So illogical, I know.
The combat is not awful, just a product of it's time. Surely there was lot to improve, but what exactly? It worked perfectly fine for that setting, where combat wasn't even the main focus of the game.
>>320272140
What fucking lore
There is nothing unique to Fallout 4 apart from the vaults, Institute and Diamond City and the history of the area is underdeveloped as fuck.
>>320272140
Not to be that guy, but what lore
>>320272140
Oh yeah what about that shipment of wood that was sent to that store in 2077? Wonder was it oak or pine wood?
>>320272390
Synths.
Who thought adding synths to Fallout would be a good idea?
>>320272360
What? Atom Cats, Forged, and who???
>>320272360
2 of those were already part of a major quest in Fallout 3. So they're not new. And the minutemen aren't a real faction, it's just President Gravy and the main character.
Fallout 4
from the creators who saw the cover of Fallout 2 comes
>>320272507
Synths are okay they're just poorly done since it's too easy to sympathize with them because they're indistinguishable from humans and anyone who shits on them is being unreasonable.
>>320272372
Without the car it's next to impossible to get to navarro without save scumming. One random encounter with the enclave and there is a 95% chance you will not survive it.
The combat is most definitely awful. Endgame combat is just shoving out criticals while hoping to not get one shot by a critical yourself.
>>320272507
synths were actually in FO3
>>320272754
I think it's dumb because they're trying to do Blade Runner/ Deus Ex without having half the skill to do the theme of transhumanism justice
>>320259019
No you didn't.
Power Armor training is something that Bethesda came up in FO3. It was not in the previous games.
>>320272868
Yeah but Fallout 3 quests had retarded writing so I just count them as non canon. Even though they probably are
Did they really add STALKER esque blowouts to FO4? So we're in the Zone now?
>>320272994
You have to admit, the superhero quest made smile
>>320264207
But the PA you get in that mission is the second shittiest one in the game, and you only get a single fusion core, and barely enough minigun ammo to get trough that fight.
You can't use that armor regularly until much later in the game.
>>320273023
Except all they do is tickle because actual challenge might scare off the console babbies.
And they were a mod in fallout 3. All the new things in the game are from fallout 3 mods. FWE, WMK, Enclave Commander, Wasteland Settler etc etc.
Power armor traning actually makes sense and bethesda has done right to put it into the game.
>>320272953
Really? Well fuck, I still think it's a pretty good thing, since it's always been described as a walking tank basically. Any old scrub fresh from the Wastes shouldn't be able to use it.
>>320255340
1, 2 and tactics is shit SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>320273332
It's funny that a modded New Vegas can do everything Fallout 4 does but better. Except maybe playing Minecraft
>>320263098
>thinks worst part of the game was the best part
>>320273517
Tactics is better than Fallout 3 and 4
>>320273650
>fallout 2
>put on power armor
>hey tribal
>fuck off tribal
>we don't want any tribals here
>>320259339
>Richtugal
Like if.
>>320273737
It's true though. Way better written too
>>320273758
They can smell your dirty tribal smell.
>>320273472
But power armor in the originals was hard to get so it was balanced. Hard to get as in there are only a couple suits of it in the whole game and as a new player you have no idea where they are.
It's completely ridiculous that random tribal raider fucks have power armor in Fallout 4.
>>320273942
Power armor is airtight. I also wouldn't fuck with anyone wearing power armor, just saying.
>>320274117
i would totally fuck someone in power armor
>>320274117
Sounds like something a dirty tribal would say.
>>320274287
Legion is dirty tribals though
Why were there a few troops in the oil rig that had brotherhood power armor instead of enclave power armor?
>>320260160
>Bethesda can't even follow up on their new established lore on Fallout
>>320274754
T-51b is not Brotherhood power armor.
Some guy asked why I was pissed mutants were on the east coast, explain the master and the unity to him.
But anon people will never just get along, it's against human nature.
Exactly, that's why he was making mutants.
>>320274287
Uhh, you don't get to bring profligates
>>320276584
but why was he killing the ghouls? most of them were pre-war and didn't like fighting
>>320276885
He didn't believe they would be worthy of inheriting the world, and truth be told, they are a shittier version of a human, weaker, stupider, feral with the only good thing being the added radiation resistance.
Muties who did it were probly dumb as bricks, kinda like the ones who fucked up the fallout 1 vault, murdered everyone for fun instead of capturing them.
>>320277556
>a shittier version of a human
then why are they stronger than humans in 4?
>>320277695
A retard can be strong, doesn't mean he's better than the original thing
>>320257810
That's fair.
>>320277556
Original guy here.
Im talking about 1 and 2, not 4, if what yer saying is true it screwed lore for the sake of gameplay changes like the Fusion Cores.
How are they stronger anyways?
>>320255340
Check out the state of the current 13 commonwealths on the wiki. Florida is currently my favorite. Irradiated bayous and swamps with mutant gators
>>320268575
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_of_Massachusetts
Lyxn, warlus, fox, moose. Can you think of how spooky a super radiation territorial moose would be?
Fuck that, I guess it was all filled with so much potential they decided against it entirely.
>>320278496
Instead with have over grown blood suckers and two headed stags. The antlers of the moose have fused together and become a genetic trait over the past 2 centuries and form a horn of sorts, sharpened on the sides of trees and used for ramming.
>>320271989
>On the contrary energy weapons were pretty awful because you could only get a gattling laser at the end of the game
that's why you just stroll down to navarro at level 1 and bullshit your way into getting a free set of power armor and a plasma rifle. I tag energy weapons at the start of the game and have 100 in it by the time I return to klamath. It's fun.
