>FF7 getting a remake instead of pic related.
Why live?
>>320237351
Aged like milk, but that menu music is still God Tier.
Also:
>VOLCANOOOOOO
>sony's FF "killer" which turned out to be a major trainwreck and was forgotten forever
>deserving a remake
Of all the nostalgiafaggots i witness here and on vr, LoD fanboys always manage to amuse me.
OP here.
>>320237525
>better graphics
>better battle system
>better "limit break" system
>protagonist is not a crossdressing emo boy
Shall i go on?
>>320237512
>Burning, RUSH!
>>320237525
Kill yourself.
>>320237512
Gust Of Wind Dance!
>>320237820
>better graphics
Yay, in 3 years after release of FF7 it BARELY manages to look better than FF7 with FF8 and FF9 around.
>battle system
"Rape the controller to buff magic damage of your items" system or "do the same one QTE the entire battle" system?
Materia combinations added a whole fuckton of depth to FF7's combat, LoD's battle system has virtually no customization, locked character spells and unbalanced dragoon mode which is completely obsolete in late game when your additions deal more damage so the entire battle devolves to mashing the same qte every turn before enemy is dead.
>protagonist is not a crossdressing emo boy
Instead he's the most generic fantasy anime protagonist imaginable with the most boring girl in the world as his love interest.
>Shall i go on?
Of course, i want to laugh my ass off.
>>320238154
The battle system in general is simple, original and fun. The dragoon system is accurate lorewise, they have to be that strong.
>implying ATB is fun
I seriously never got its appeal.
>generic fantasy anime protagonist
At least he is not an annoying brat.
>>320238106
>gust of wind dance
stop that im getting ptsd
>>320238559
>fun
Mashing one qte and raping controller during magic animations ff8-style for 60 hours is sure fun.
For "original" go and play in legaia if you want to see a jrpg with an actually cool and original martial arts system.
>>320237351
then kill yourself so you stop shit posting faggot
>>320238774
back then this qte was the shit, dont compare it by today's CoD-like standarts. it was a way to implement an action feel with a simple way. And as >>320237512
said, indeed the music is just amazing.
>>320238895
After you.
>>320237351
Your life must have been a cavalcade of sunshine and lollipops if that promts you to contemplate suicide.
GUST OF WIND DANCE
>>320241418
You know it!
MADNESS
HEeeEROO
COOL BOOGIE!
HUP HA WHIP SMACK
HEX HAMMER
>>320244184
HARD BLADE!
FLAAAAAAME
SHOT SHOT SHOT
I feel like FF7/LoD were the highest graphics you could get before the eastern/western divide really started to show. After these games, western games started down the 'realistic' path that led us to vastly divergent shit like the difference between Dragon Age: Inquisition and Final Fantasy XV (not to even mention anime games)
That was sort of the sweet spot where it appealed equally to both cultures and you could fill in the blanks in your head. I'm not sure where I'm going with this.
>>320237351
I feel like there's a really good reason I never finished this. Is there some insane back tracking or fucked boss fight somewhere on the second disk towards what I think is the end of the underworld thing? I barely remember this game but I enjoyed it.
>>320246687
OP here.
I cant argue that in the FMV department FF was a tad stronger, i just wish there were move FMVs in LoD, but in general LoD looks great for the time it came out.
>>320246862
You probably skipped something or didnt noticed what you should've done, not blaming you of course, there's a wikia for the game and has a decent walkthrough you can check out.
>>320247136
>wikia/walk through
Anon, I played this game well over a decade ago. These things were non existing at the time.
>mfw the local book store was the only place to find guide and good luck ifg it wasn't a popular title
>mfw printing out 300 pages of some random assholes hand written guide from ign or cheatcodes.com for whatever noname game I picked up from ebgames
>>320246862
Well I know the 4th disc has the moon. And you have a point of no return after getting there so any last thing you want to do on earth better be done. I.e stardust.
>>320247136
>>320247437
I just realized I think I'm getting this mixed up with something else. This doesn't have that one party member who's a scare crow does it?
>>320247423
i understand, it actually kinda happen to me too on my first playthrough along with other hummiliating actions such as no frequent equipment upgrades because i was a stupid kid back then...
>>320247671
FFIX vivi?
>>320247776
No I found it though. I'm thinking of Shadow Madness. Loved that game but can't remember why I never finished it.
The only reason this game existed was because Final Fantasy 7 was considered for the N64. LoD was gonna be its competition. Once FF7 got switched over, development got downsized and stuff like cutscene VA was cut.
>>320248201
Actually the team that worked on LoD DID worked on other projects such as Ape Escape and look at that, both games turned out fine!
>Laviiiiitz !!
I think LOD should have seriously had a remake or a Prequel..
sidenote:
for a studio that hadn't made a full length epic RPG before -I am still impressed playing it today
dat battle system
dat story
for any player that wasn't autistic enough to sit in one place for a single boss for 30 minutes fighting it -this game was great.
The music was so good. I still remember how fast paced and badass both battle and boss themes were.
>>320248874
>Laviiiiitz !!
Goddamn it Lloyd!!!
>>320248961
Glorious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXJ_EuwO4sQ
Air slash!
Chaos sword!
Chaos sword!
Chaos sword!
SPINNING CANE
>>320243273
Fisto reporting for duty, please assume the position.
INFERNO>implying anyone actually used Kongol
>Games I want a modern remake of
LANDSTALKER
ILLUSION OF GAIA
PHANTASY STAR IV
>Shit game I don't want to hear about again
FF7
>>320249721
I tried anon, I tried. I think Kongol may be the most disappointed I've ever been in a video game character, he was as cool as he was useless.
It always killed me that Haschel's English voice for combos sounds like a 20 year old while his character is supposed to be, what, 60? I had to stop using him because of the dissonance.
DOUBLE SMACK
>>320250234
But Haschel's the best
>>320237351
I dunno, i'd rather the game be where its at. I can remember it fondly and play it again as it was, versus playing the new version and realizing how awful modern game design is
Sometimes dead is better anon
What did you guys think of the cast compared to FFVII?
Dart - cloud
Shana - Aeris
Meru - Yuffie
Etc?
Meru best girl, shame you get her so late in the game
>>320237351
Loved this game. That flash back cinematic of all the dragoons getting killed was brutal. Poor Rose.
>>320250328
I got by fine with Dart/Albert/Meru
Albert OP and Meru for speed item-whore
>>320250460
Oh yeah, Lloyd obviously sephiroth.
Lena maybe one of the turks
>>320250535
This was my exact party back then. Meru is olev.
>>320250535
Yeah, that's a really good team. I just like the fist fighter archetype.
>>320250460
>Aeris notLavitz
OP here.
>>320250460
As i mentioned before Dart is so much better protagonist than Cloud.
>>320250530
You misspelled Rose.
>>320250535
My first run was Dart/Rose/Haschel but now i usually go Dart/Rose/Albert
>>320250438
But its sadly an overlooked game, and a remake or a sequel/prequel would bring it to the spotlight and yes i agree, it has to be done right.
hello
>>320250815
True it would make sense cause of what happened to em but face it, she's shana
MORE AND MORE
>>320237351
>waaaah why doesn't my meme game get a remake unlike the universally acknowledged classic
Take a wild guess, chucklefuck
>>320250910
I mean to be fair, rose and meru are both amazing
I wish they had done something to actually make it worth using the archer gals, cause it never seemed worth it. Their magic being crazy didn't really make it good enough
>>320251683
>meme game
Post-moot /v/ pls
>>320247423
I found the guide at Toys R Us along with the guide to Wild Arms 2 easy anon.
>>320249172
Dart's theme was the best song in the game and it helped they used it whenever heroes found determination to press on after a major setback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv0BfykqKh0
>>320250567
In appearance, maybe. In the end Lloyd wasn't even a real villain.
The plot twists in this game though, seriously.evil warlord-person under the command of an emperor guy who was manipulated by some white-haired dude who was actually a pawn of an ancient general who is actually protag's father who was posessed by ancient evil dictator who wants to merge with some kind of spacegod embryo
Loved this game.
>>320252581
I loved the factMelbu Frahmawas mentioned like, two-three times throughout the entire game. You'll miss who the fuck he even is unless you paid attention to all the lore game throws at you.
>>320247423
>tfw bought guides mostly for artwork because I loved drawing and tracing shit
Secrets and lore stuffs were just a bonus.
>>320251320
FffffFFFFFFFFFFUCK this boss.
Just so people know, this game almost got a remake, but it was cancelled halfway through production
Also, Dart was going to be added to Sony's brawl ripoff along with Abe, but that was dropped, too.
>>320237351
Because Legend of Dragoon is fucking terrible, and even for its time there were many other JRPGs which blow it out of the water on the PS1 alone. You only think it's the best JRPG ever made because you played it when you were still an easily impressionable child and refuse to take off the nostalgia goggles.
>>320237820
>better graphics
Still utter shit that aged horribly.
>better battle system
Maybe if it didn't remove your ability to remove magic in favor of a gimmicky rhythm minigame.
>better "limit break" system
Nah not really, it's as drawn out and mundane as the rest of the game.
>protagonist is not a crossdressing emo boy
Instead he's just a generic spiky haired kid with a sword and barely any personality. Wow, such an improvement.
>Shall i go on?
Oh yes please.
>>320238559
>simple
Hardly a good thing.
>original
Time hits were around longer than that i.e Super Mario RPG.
>fun
For like 5 minutes.
>I seriously never got its appeal.
I never got the appeal of time hits but whatever.
Even though I love this game and it's one of my top RPGs, replaying it is really hard because the localization/translation sucks so bad and at times, the characters sound really stupid.
Then again, in a world where FFXII's localization exists, I guess I'm fucking picky as hell now.
If someone could hack this game and re-localize it, I could die happy.
>>320237351
I know they're not made by the same people, but I always felt that Shadow Hearts was kind of a spiritual successor with its gritty art style and use of qte ring battle system gimmicks.
Also, the stories are slightly similar...
>>320248961
The music was utter shit and didn't even remotely fit the fantasy setting. It's low tier at best. Also the battles dragged on way too long thanks to the annoying QTE gimmick.
>>320251320
No, leave me alone! i dont wanna get de-leveled!
>>320252046
Indeed, Shana was.... well, herself and Miranda was a bitch.
>>320252881
Yes, both failed attempts made me sad.
>>320253273
>implying FF7 is the epitome of perfection
Sure, FF7 might exceel in some things but LoD is still great game, either you like it or not.
>>320253628
Hmm well i havent played that so i cant tell.
>>320253786
Nice try.
>>320253880
>implying FF7 is the epitome of perfection
I didn't imply that. I think FF7 is extremely overrated but at least it isn't irredeemable garbage like LoD.
>>320253273
>rhythm minigame
>>320253998
I've learned to appreciate games with actual taste rather than nitpicking tiny details. Overall, LoD is a great game, FF7 is a decent game too, but what bothers me is the fact that LoD is not on the spotlight because of people:
>muh FF
>muh endless series
We need more underdogs on the stage like LoD.
>>320253450
What's wrong with FF12's localization?
>>320237351
They would probably turn it into a racing game.
>>320250535
Any team with Albert is automatically top tier.
>>320253786
>annoying QTE gimmick
2/10
>>320254361
Or cinematic oscar bait.
>>320254323
How about some actually GOOD underdogs? Like Breath of Fire.
>>320254331
Not him, but maybe he has a problem with the ye olde english speech.
I haven't played FF12 in Japanese but I've played FFT in moon and there is no reason for that shit, they speak in relatively modern Japanese so the olde english stuff is just something the localizers made up for Ivalice setting. Same reason I like the first FFT localization over WotL.
>>320254641
BoF was a classic staple back in the day, surely you mean Lufia?
>>320237512
I can still hear it in my head.
I hated the magic system, and comboing got old real fast
the characters were also kinda meh
average as fuck game
>>320249914
Replace Landstalker with Terranigma then I agree.
>>320237512
What 3d ps1 game *hasn't* aged like milk?
>>320237351
Best prerendered backgrounds on ps1.
>>320254702
Never played it.
>>320237351
Because Legend of Dragoon was the most generic JRPG tripe ever developed.
>>320254865
>What 3d ps1 game *hasn't* aged like milk?
Chrono Cross.
>>320247423
There was that Prima guide. I still got, too bad half the shit in it is fucking wrong or don't go into that much detail.
>>320254892
I'd argue Golden Sun is worse in that regard.
>>320237351
I've been playing this game, and I'll say that it's EXTRMELY dry. Only the boss battles are of any interest at all and that's because there's sort of a threat that you could die. The battle system's a chore because magic items require constant button mashing and for your regular attacks to be worth any damage at all you had to do some awkward button prompted actions. It makes a single character's turn like fifteen seconds, it's really slow. It's late release on the PS1, combined with the extremely stiff competition it faced on the PS1, which was like THE console for RPGs, and you're left with disappointment.
>>320254641
>Breath of Fire
>Underdog
>In the 2000s
Maybe now it is, if you can call being a forgotten phone game an "underdog".
>all these neo/v/ underage faggots who never played LoD and ripping on it saying stupid shit like gimmicks and slow
>>320255432
Compared to stuff like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and the Chrono games, yeah it is. BoF4 was the swan song, 5 was the final nail in the coffin.
>>320255615
It's true though. Sorry bro, but just because you grew up with something doesn't make it a flawless masterpiece immune from criticism.
>>320254985
Nah, it still looks shit. Stop nostalging.
>>320254865
If I had to pick some:
>Vagrant Story
>Valkyrie Profile
>Grandia
>Final Fantasy Tactics
And maybe Parasite Eve 2
>>320256046
It looks like heaven compared to LoD.
>>320237351
Because looking back on it objectively it's pretty weaksauce, same with a lot of other things I grew up with i.e DBZ
However it's an admirable first effort by a team with no prior experience on developing JRPGs, and it's a real damn shame we'll never see such an ambitious effort by Sony ever again.
>>320255615
indeed.
This game had the only QTEs that are acceptable.
Not press F to pay respects and no QTE only bossfights but instead it's more like a rythm game and the better you are the more damage you deal and ressources you get.
I can still enjoy playing it but it really has aged horribly. But even without nostalgia goggles it's an amazing game. But what do you expect from people that are younger than this game? They play the newest COD and think it's an innovative game.
>>320255110
Golden Sun just plain sucks, the very definition of generic JRPG.
For all of LoD's faults I still enjoy it, even if it's mostly due to nostalgia.
>>320257216
>This game had the only QTEs that are acceptable.
Also Paper Mario.
>This game had the only QTEs that are acceptable
Not to mention that if you REALLY cant stand it, there's some equipment items that allow them to be executed automaticaly.
>>320255365
>magic items require mashing
Turbo button, but you shouldn't be using magic items unless you're using Shana. You shouldn't be using Shana.
>Awkward combo QTEs.
Just stick with the more basic combos. They do decent damage, and you don't need to use the most complicated ones if you find them difficult.
>>320237351
yes, games people actually played get remade more often than games nobody cared about
>>320257578
Since they basically work the same, just imagine I implied PM aswell.
>>320237351
>dat theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HywjFOUWXdI
>>320258091
>games nobody cared about
>>320258131
>fantasy sentai: the game
it was pretty cool.
>>320257578
Theres something I miss about creature designs from games like LoD and Panzer Dragoon. It's that purely otherworldly and yet ancient look they have.
You never see anything really like it anymore.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/uHz15Y9.png "latest[1].png")
>>320258470
>>320237351
Because it not Chrono Cross good enough.
I was thinking about checking it out. What makes it so beloved? Is the story good? Has it aged very poorly or is is it still enjoyable?
>>320258470
The dragons were all kinds of fucked up. I loved that about the game.
>>320259081
You need patience because battles will be long affairs what with the addition system and dragoon transformations sometimes. Don't expect a quick easy game. It's a very nice long and mostly relaxing journey.
>got the game in german
>avoided dart's retard-speak
>got man-voiced lenus as trade-off
I suppose it worked out ok.
>>320259081
It was like the final swan-song of the Playstation. The nostalgia levels are through the roof. In reality though, it's a pretty standard Japanese RPG. The battle system was (maybe still is) a little unique for these types of games, as you need to time button presses to complete combos, and some skilled enemies are able to counter and interrupt your combos if your not careful, so you can't really press a button and have a sip of coffee while your fighting, unless you go for 1 or 2 button combos.
Story is pretty typical. Guy needs to save girl, girl turns out to be magical. Guy forms bond with total bro, total bro gets killed by main antagonist. Cool, strong, mysterious dark lady who was probably a lot of kids first video character fap.
If you enjoyed FF7, you would probably enjoy this. They are pretty similar now that I think about it. The soundtrack is regarded as pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXJ_EuwO4sQ
I would recommend it. I think it's still pretty enjoyable.
>>320256059
Wild arms
>>320259081
Story is pretty run-of-the-mill but the characters are what set it apart. No one is an edgelord. It's like playing an 80's anime except your party is composed of dragon-themed power rangers. Your inner eight year old will be losing his shit constantly.
The gameplay has aged VERY poorly. The combat consists of hitting the x button at the right time to perform combo moves. Each character has like seven different combos with vastly different timings. It feels like a really, really good quick time event. Of course a really, really good quick time event isn't very good by today's standards. You'll either be okay with it or you'll hate it.
And then there's the music. It's the best fucking music in any RPG ever. Every track is amazing. Play the game for the music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzXuyzrMxow
>>320260961
>>320260158
For all of /v/s shittery, sometimes you do get actual good objective and informative posts like these. Cheers bros.
>>320258576
Those things made the strangest sounds.
>>320259579
At least they noticed their mistake and gave Lenus a female voice in the second fight.
>>320254331
nothing?
i was saying because it's so good, i'm picky about my localizations now.
lol, learn 2 read
Now this is an RPG that can benefit from real time combat, especially when you go dragoon.
