Yep, it's this good old thread, /v/
What kind of game (or games) would it take to fix Sonic? You've got an average development team, a decent budget, and 2 years under your belt. What do?
I would put all of Sonic's friends in it and also get rid of all of Sonic's friends and make it Sonic and Eggman only.
>>320181623
Finally make pic related
>>320181612
Well I made a quick fix to Sonic's design.
dating sim
Sonic CD.
>>320181612
3D remake of the first 3 games, like sonic generations but all levels are 2D
You have three Sonics, make each kind of game focus on something, classic is mostly a platformer with the usual replay/speedrun factor, Modern is focused on gottagofastholyshit like the levels from Unleashed and Adventure, and Boom is an adventure collectaton like Banjo Kazooie where you play as the sonic team working together, solving puzzles and beating bad guys
>>320181612
It would need to be a dating sim. You can only play as Tails and every single named character is a possible romance.
>>320182778
this triggers cwc
Get rid of all characters except the following:
Sonic
Eggman
Tails
Knuckles
Amy
Fang/NackBlaze
>>320183375
but muh bat tats
>>320181612
A sequel to the original Genesis trilogy. Sonic 4 doesn't count.
Just make a game that is all about going fast. Go back and pull all of the fastest 2D sonic levels and change them up a bit. Make the entire game a speedrun challenge.
Or.. plop sonic into a gta open world and let him run around and do shit.
>>320182778color me triggered senpai
Have it so that you play as Sonic at the start, and after you complete his story, you unlock other characters with other playstyles, as well as the story told from their point of view. Have a few team ups here and there, but nothing too close to 06. It'd be cool to play as Silver again, but better this time. Also have each character complete the same stages, but in different orders, or have the same order, but have each character have their own personal route. Chaos Emeralds would obviously play a part in the story, but you have a choice as to who gets what color, instead of having each character getting the same emerald and retconning each other. It'd also be nice to be able to play as Super Sonic in stages, as well as Shadow and Silver, plus a few super callbacks? Burning Blaze, maybe? I'm basically asking for a modern S3&K, but with more variety and freedom. I just thought of all that with the top of my head, but this would be pretty sweet, in my opinion.
>>320181612
I was playing Dino Run earlier and I was thinking "You know what? This game has physics like the old Sonic games."
/v/ could easily show up Sonic Team by making a Dino Run expy with Sonic skins. Just copy the physics exactly, replace eating lizards with just bopping them or spinning through them and maybe add a couple bosses. Sure, it's simplistic - just your character running away from an unbeatable wall of death - but it's more Sonic than Sonic has been in 15 years.
Let the Rayman Origins/Legends team make it
>>320183375
>No Metal Sonic.
>>320183375
There's too many characters there. Remove 6 of them that aren't Sonic.
Take the Sonic Generations engine and combine Classic and Modern Sonic's gameplay. Basically this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFJrL-7kgU8
Classic Sonic in 3D but with a homing attack, and throw in the Sonic Adventure styled exploitable spin dash for good measure. From there, all you need to do is throw in the staples from the old Sonic games: at least 9-10 zones with 2-3 acts a piece, playable Tails (and Knuckles?) with different routes, Special Stages like the ones in Sonic 2 and the bosses/minibosses like Sonic 3. Get Richard Jacques, the British guy responsible for the Sonic 3D Blast (Saturn) music and Sonic R to do the music.
If they wanted to go overboard, time-trial ghosts would be awesome, alongside a 2P race a la Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (with online?) and heck even a Chao Garden.
This would literally be the perfect Sonic game. SEGA has all of the components, they just keep missing the mark. It's baffling, honestly
>>320181612
Just make a playable version of the Sonc CD FMVs, please.
>>320184651
>Classic Sonic in 3D but with a homing attack,
Cancer. Fuck off.
>>320185219
>2D Sonic game
>Running on an engine like Rayman Origins/Legends
>With physics similar to the old Sonic
>Wall jumps, air dashes, quick dodges and the ability to jump on/ride enemies
>This art style, all hand drawn
>Real fuckin funky music like Sonic CD JAP meets Nujabes
>At least 12 zones, 2 acts each, decently long
GOTY every year
>>320184651
What you're basically asking for already exist.It's caleld Sonic Unleashed, Colors and Generations.
Your nostalgia goggle just wants a classic skin.
>>320185289
>He doesn't like the Homing Attack
well aren't you just the most special little snowflake there ever was
Homing attack could do with some tweaks, like having a much shorter range on it and preserving more momentum upon landing, but it's fundamentally important for 3D Sonic gameplay, in my opinion
>>320185658
Homing attack is the laziest idea for a "new move" for any character in history
In classic Sonic if you miss, you fucking miss, just like if you miss a ramp or ledge, you fucking miss
Sonic sucks because of casual shit like the "hold-my-hand-homing-attack"; it worked in Sonic Adventure because they made the bosses too fucking annoying to hit; that's it, a crutch to help with imperfect game mechanics, nothing more
>>320185625
Well yeah, exactly. They don't need to start from scratch - just refine what they've already got. The best bits of Classic and Modern Sonic in Generations would be a better game. And no, I don't want a classic skin, it's not nostalgia goggles - it could be a Modern Sonic model for all I care. Classic Sonic, in both 2D and 3D, has fundamentally different acceleration and behaviour, especially on slopes. Plus the boost mechanic sucks dong
>>320184651
>We need a level to represent Sonic Colors
>Let's make it a show stopper one. What's the most visually impressive level in that game?
>I know, let's use Planet Wisp
>Yeah, we don't have enough green levels
>>320185929
>In classic Sonic if you miss, you fucking miss, just like if you miss a ramp or ledge, you fucking miss
That's a goddamn 2D game you pleb. In 3D it's naturally harder to be accurate with your jumps, especially when you're moving at the kinds of speeds they present in newer Sonic games. They make the enemies absolutely giant compared to Sonic in games like Generations, but without the homing attack it still craps up the pace of the game to bounce around off of enemies heads in 3D. As I say, it could do with far less range than it currently has (between half and two thirds of its current version, I'd say) but it still serves a purpose. Homing attack in 2D is the devils work though, but if it's a 2D/3D hybrid game I don't see a comfortable way around that
>Why did they put Z-targetting in Ocarina Of Time? Laziest idea ever. In Link To The Past if you miss, you fucking miss
>>320185481
make the soundtrack like the movie and we're gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSoZy-Dnhfc
>>320186403
>That's a goddamn 2D game you pleb. In 3D it's naturally harder to be accurate with your jumps
Then don't make the game 3D. Sonic only ever transitioned to 3D because "all the cool games are doing it mom!"
> it could do with far less range than it currently has
Why? So it could be even more casual? Sonic's about physics, you attack with momentum, not Angry Birds QTEs. Mario doesn't need a shitty do-it-for-me-daddy homing attack in his 3D games.
>don't make games in 3D if they don't need to be - there is a difference between "3D" and "good graphics"
>don't make all the enemies fucking giant and nonsensical just so there can be a boss
>don't make everywhere in the entire fucking world a literal runway for Sonic to run along - people liked places in Sonic 3 because it was a living breathing environment that didn't exist just for Sonic to run on
>Why did they put Z-targetting in Ocarina Of Time? Laziest idea ever. In Link To The Past if you miss, you fucking miss
This is a perfectly valid point unless you're a casual. People complained when Mega Man Legends gave you a lock-on. Monster Hunter is one of the most successful franchises ever and has no targeting system at all.
And no, not all the monsters are fucking huge, but I don't expect casuals to know that, having not played it.
I'm more worried in how to fix 3D Sonic than 2D.
>>320183375
>no Metal Sonic
>even wanting to get rid of Team Chaotix
Get the fuck out.
>>320187360
>Then don't make the game 3D. Sonic only ever transitioned to 3D because "all the cool games are doing it mom!"
not the guy you're replying to but that sort of makes the thread redundant. if we're taking 3D off the table then the answer to the thread is just 'make sonic 3 and knuckles 2', i'm guessing OP was looking for some more thought provoking discussion (on /v/ of all places, kek) regarding how to make a good 3D sonic game, since sonic team seem so hell bent on it
SO, IT'S LIKE THAT ONE SONIC GAME I PLAYED IN MY CHILDHOOD, THAT ONE WAS GREAT. AND NO FRIENDS, BECAUSE PEOPLE SAY THAT'S BAD. AND CHAO GARDEN BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THAT TOO.
>>320181612
A mirror's edge like, but with Sonic. Would be awesome.
>>320181612
is there porn of classic sonic and new sonic?
asking for a friend
>>320188378
I'm with you, but nowhere in his post did OP say "3D only". That's my answer. That's how I'd fix Sonic. Make it NOT 3D. It never needed to be 3D.
>>320181612
it won't do it on it's own but you need to start the marketing campaign with a high end 3DS JRPG. That will make people who frequent websites like this one take you seriously and will give an audience for what you want to do with it.
Or you could make a pinball game. Virtually 0 production cost, gets the name out there.
>>320182773
I love the face amy's making. Like she's about to beat her kid for hiding her liquor
>3D level designs streamlined in a similar fashion to 3D world but with a subtle skate-park/pinball layout
>Rather than a boost system, keeping momentum traversing the level mostly relies on taking advantage of ramps, half pipes, loops and tubes whenever possible
>Speed slowed down significantly: exploring for hidden routes and genuinly dicking around is much more encouraged.
>Balance between platforming and 'playground' segments
>Bottomless pits kept to a minimum, players punished missed jumps with longer routes while still keeping momentum.
Basically something borrowing heavily from the 2D games. I couldn't see it working unless a fucking huge amount of time was just spent getting the ball rolling physics and the camera right
>>320189784
this would be the shit. Take Sonic's 2D formula and translate it direct to 3D, like with the recent Mario titles. If nothing else it'd be a good experiment
>>320181612
Make it like Sonic CD, but give us a few characters to pick from with different gameplay styles. Get rid of the "ow the edge" shit and just go back to the classic roots.
>Robotnik screwing with time travel again
>levels have multiple winding paths and alternate past/present versions again
>Sonic is the speedster and gets Spin Dash and Figure 8 Dash, turns in Super Sonic with Emeralds
>Tails can fly and do his own spin dash, calls on little Tails Robots like Tails' Adventure to solve puzzles/get in tight areas
>Knuckles plays like the 2D games, can go Hyper Knuckles
>Amy in a more classic look, uses her hammer and has a slower paced gameplay
>Nack/Fang gets more of a Mega Man style shooter gameplay
>Blaze is speedy like Sonic, but has to attack with Castlevania-style spells
>co-op and counter-op play
>focus is on completing levels quickly, finding alternate paths, and maxing out your score
>traditional 2D sidescrolling with handdrawn HD graphics
>Shadow, Rouge, and other shitlords are limited to cameos AT BEST
>>320181612
Sonic 5 made by Taxman and Stealth using the Retro Engine. Nuff' said.
>>320185481
>Sonic CD JAP meets Nujabes
holy fuck anon that sounds fucking rad
>>320192206
>Sonic 5
Just give it a different name altogether, Sonic <insert edgy word here>, or Sonic Throwback, Sonic Classic, something like that. Sonic 5 gives the impression it's following on from the atrocity that is Sonic 4
That being said, I agree 100% about Taxman and Stealth making the next game. Personally I'd have them on the engine/gameplay, the graphics hand-drawn resembling Sonic CD/Sonic the Movie, and music by Richard Jacques
Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles foil the plans of Dr Eggman. Done!
>>320192803
What zones would you suggest for a Genesis throwback Sonic, that would be relatively fresh and not Sonic 4 Episode 1-tier rehashing?
Make pic into game.
>>320189784
>>320191365
>just make it 2D :^)
>>320187360
Monster hunter is designed around not having lock on, and even now it actually does have lock on, and the series has only gotten harder
>>320193805
sonic sega super mall sim?
Sonic adventure battle 3
>>320193805
isn't that a stage in Sonic Chaotix?
>>320193258
Well a lot of fangames seem to come up with relatively 'fresh' seeming ideas by taking two zone tropes and throwing them into a blender. Like, for example, a Green Hill type grassy level combined with a city stage, making a sort of urban park level. Or an Eggman base installed within an ancient water temple; an icy mountain with lava sections, and so on. Of course, they've already done a, spring yard, then a casino, then a carnival, so I'd say the next level in that trope would be the inside of a bright neon 90s arcade.
With all that being said, the rehashing in Sonic 4 wasn't necessarily the problem - rather, it was a symptom of the real problem, being that SEGA were trying to superficially recreate the aesthetic and tropes of the old games whilst knowing precisely jack shit about what made them work mechanically
>>320183375
>>320194027
Yep
