https://vimeo.com/148909578
John Romero just shared a video of the PC version of Mario 3. iD software made it in 1990 and presented it to Nintendo (who rejected it). They went on to make Commander Keen instead.
>>320151906
Looks like shite.
Why did computers from that era have such shit colors? Also, it's too floaty and Mario is too fat.
>>320151906
http://i.4cdn.org/v/1450124875236.jpg
You'll get more attention on /vr/.
>>320152712
>Why did computers from that era have such shit colors?
It was made to work on IBM clones and out of the box those had very weak graphics since the IBM PC was made as a purely work computer.
This is also a demo made in record time to show that a port to the PC could be done at all. On hardware that could only do scrolling up to then by redrawing every single thing resulting in very choppy scrolling, this was a marvel of programming.
That's cool
Better than the MegaMan port.
There is something very Game Gear-esque about this.
>>320152712
>>320152521
This was coded in a night, by just watching SMB3 and copying it. If they had access to the actual game's source code, they could have made an actual port instead of a copy.
>>320151906
>creates a copy of a game even without source code in one night.
>On hardware that didn't even have good gaming performance.
iD made engine wonders.
They don't often make good games, but their engines are godsent.
Just look at how versatile id Tech3 is.
>>320152712
They weren't made for gaming. Plain and simple.
The IBM PC was made for spreadsheets. Amazing how they evolved and we're using them right now.
>>320154310
meanwhile owner Bethesda still shits games out on their gamebryo engine
>>320156058
/v/'s filled with underage cancer. Go figure.
>>320151906
>John Romero just shared a video of the PC version of Mario 3. iD software made it in 1990 and presented it to Nintendo (who rejected it). They went on to make Commander Keen instead.
Considering what happened to id I would say Nintendo was smart to not let them do a port.
>>320156058
Whenever I make a thread that's actually about video games, it will get about two replies before archiving.
Meanwhile, that gamefaqs poll hits the bump limit every time.
Cool. Platformer and scrolling games on PC were almost impossible to make back then
>flying without running first
>no music
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>no running
>those fucked raccoon tail physics
I understand why nintendo didn't let them do it.
>>320157090
i'm pretty sure soundcards were not even a thing yet even when commander keen 1 came out
it only had support for the motherboard speaker
>>320157090
>>320157267
I'm pretty sure it was more of a demo that showed it could be done.
>>320157267
It was obviously a very early build autist.
>>320157090
Well I mean they could've put in music but it wouldn't have been anything really special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSvj3Hjxiic
>nintendo accepted this
>id would be forever tied down to nintendo as it fossilises into the GC era
>instead now they pushed gaming to its limit without restraints from nintedo that they couldnt let their PC ports look too pretty compared to the console versions
>>320157513
>that showed it could be done.
Considering that demo played nothing like Super Mario Bros 3 it didn't really did it?
>>320157847
>Considering that demo played nothing like Super Mario Bros 3 it didn't really did it?
Considering they didn't have the source code, of course it didn't look exactly like it.
>>320157847
I doubt that would have been the final build if Nintendo okayed it.
>>320157847
It shows that smooth scrolling is possible on the IBM PC. That was the purpose of it.
>>320157797
>id
>pushing gaming to its limit
Oh hey that's really neat actually I've always wanted to see the footage of this after reading a bout it on Masters of Doom so it's cool to finally see what it looked like. Honestly it looks more developed then I thought it would be.
>>320151906
Keen > SMB3
>>320157705
that's actually really cool
>>320158091
>anime image
>shitty post
Checks out.
>>320158091
>underage weebposter doesn't even know the impacts Doom and Quake had
Typical.
>>320158091
Underage.
>>320158205
>Doom
>Quake
>now
>>320158356
Underage, retarded, AND a weeb.
It doesn't get much better than this.
>>320158356
No one was talking about "now". You just brought that up now because you realized you sounded like a retard. You're only digging your hole down further.
>>320151906
>John Romero just shared a video of the PC version of Mario 3
Um, everyone who knows about id/apogee knows about this.
This is fucking nothing new.
>>320158508
>No one was talking about "now".
>>320157797
>instead now they pushed gaming
At least try.
>>320158653
You're thinking of the Dangerous Dave demol. There wasn't ever any footage of the ACTUAL SMB3 demo they made for Nintendo up until now.
>>320158693
Your post >>320158091 was implying that they never pushed gaming to its limits, ever.
You're not even trying.
>>320158693
Oh and by the way
>avatarfagging
>>320158914
There is no such implication in my post.
If you actually learn to read, you would notice that the second part is in present continuous, which implies that the action is still happening.
>>320159004
It's called reaction image my new friend.
Wow, that's pretty awesome.
It's remarkable what id was capable of doing with the PC in the 90s.
ignore the weebposters, post more id
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root
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>>320159075
>It's called reaction image my new friend.
>>320158693 Isn't a reaction image.
>>>/trash/
>>320158795
Um, no. The smb3 thing he did is goddamn well-known fact.
>>320159075
>It's called reaction image my new friend.
>>320152712
due to the ram you could only have two colors in every 8x8. If you look carefully at mario on the NES he's actually four different sprites 8x8 sections.
>>320159275
Seeing how you aren't capable of understanding what avatarfagging is and how you can't read a reaction from a face, you might suffer from autism anon.
>>320159476
>>320159395
man shut the FUCK up and post about video games
>>320157090
Back then, the only real sound capabilities on a computer were a simple square wave speaker.
If you were Mr. Megabux, you could spend $150-200 on an Adlib Music Synthesizer and get simple 8 bit sound.
Also, the graphics were shit because they made it EGA compatible. They could have gone with VGA support (IBM PS/2), but at that time, most people didn't have it. VGA didn't become affordable until 1992 or 1993. Early VGA cards were running $350+.
After 1992, you could grab an Oak Technologies VGA for $50-80
>iD software made it in 1990 and presented it to Nintendo (who rejected it)
where they even asked to do this by nintendo?
that flying animation is hilarious
>>320159306
I never said otherwise. We just never got to see it in action up until now. Please learn to read.
>>320159476
>you might suffer from autism anon
You would know, kek
>>320151906
>iD
When will this meme end?
>>320159145
>// what the fuck?
Every time.
>>320159306
It's well-known but we've never actually seen footage of it in action before.
>>320159546
No, but these kinds of things happen frequently. It's how a lot of third party ports happen
>>320159531
>man shut the FUCK up and post about video games
Very impressive for the time. Carmack was a genius (and a cunt by all accounts). Masters of Doom is a really interesting read for anyone that wants to know more about id by the way, would recommend.
Still better than this official port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0YEGHpEgMU
>>320159531
What video game? id is irrelevant for over a decade.
You might as well go to /vr/ if you want to discuss god id games.
>>320157847
>not knowing about smooth scrolling
It was one the reasons that mario was a big deal. At the time people didn't think it was possible on the PC.
Its a shame Nintendo didn't let them do it. Then again shit like this probably scared them away from PC gaming early on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTCqgEa_My8
>>320159984
i never got why yurop was all over this
it was pretty bad
>>320156473
>Make a thread about Dragon Quest Heroes
>Three replies, archived
>Someone makes a thread going "Hurr why do you fags like Dragon Quest so much" 300 replies but half of it is shitposting before it turns into actual discussion
It's to be expected
>>320159672
interesting, can you name any?
>>320158693
>>320159275
>>320159580
>>320159075
>>320158091
>>320158356
OH MY GOD FUCKING STOP YOU SCUMFUCK DEGENERATE TROGLODYTE RETARD
>>320153964
>This was coded in a night
That's not how I remember that story. AFAIK Carmack spent a long time trying to make this work, maybe they actually made the Mario assets and levels in a night, but definitely not the technology behind it.
I'm not even sure where I read this, but the big problem with doing this is at the time, was that PCs didn't have enough processing power to scroll every pixel on the screen, so carmack had to figure out a way to calculate which same-colored pixels would change in-between frames and only update those so it would become as efficient as possible and actually be able to do sidescrolling.
Looking at it this now it probably doesn't look very impressive, it's just mario what's the big deal, but it actually is fucking wizardy.
Ah the times where consoles actually were more powerful than PCs (well not really, but they had specialized hardware for game-specific functions).
>>320159546
Part of the reason it was done had to with the fact that they were working as programmers and they wanted out of that company.
Eventually the company just let them make games but they could have gotten in big trouble for what they did. It's pretty funny though because the guy that ran the company was willing to give them money as a start up but then the entire company planned on walking out if they did. So they had to come to some agreement.
When you think about it now he should have let all those people walk. Id was making boat loads.
>>320160123
Giana Sisters wasn't bad, how young are you?
It had great level design and a cool gimmick. Great music. Was reasonably difficult.
The only problem was that it was too smilar to Mario.
>>320160269
Not off the top of my head. I think Unseen64 mentions a few in some of their videos.
>>320160220
I know that feeling.
/v/'s been shit for a while now. Best just to leave it as is. Mostly because people come here thinking this board is only for shit posting and pissing people off. I mean /b/ is better at this point.
>>320159745
You're comparing a 1986 PC to a 1990 PC.
That's lightyears apart hardware-vise
>>320159984
>sell dedicated hardware that you manufacture
>sell carts that you manufacture that 3rd parties have to buy from you
>have a strangle hold over the market
>some chuckle fuck suggests that you put it on the PC
>no one develops for your system anymore
>no one buys carts from you
>everyone just goes to the PC (because your games are there too)
Is it that hard to understand?
It would have been cool though.
>>320151906
so this is the power of pc
>>320160762
I'm pretty sure they didn't program Mario 3 to run on a 486.
>>320160340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj4HJkeQSg0
This is what was made in a night. People are getting them both mixed up.
>id sends mario 3 to nintendo
>T I M E P A R A D O X: nintendo accepts it
>id becomes nintendo's resident PC porting monkeys, porting everything that nintendo does and never develop DOOM
How different would the world be now?
>>320161850
No FPS
No sweet, sweet, Id engines
No doom clones
It would be terrible
>>320161850
Everything from CoD to Jedi Knight would run on the Unreal Engine. I think Third person shooters might have been more popular over fps.
>>320159743
this, just read Masters of doom last month, Great fucking read!
>>320161850
Nintendo hardware would still be on top.
>>320161850
Valve would be entirely different, if it even exists at all
>>320161850
Pretty fucked, you know. because >>320162107
>>320162126
and:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_tile_refresh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raycasting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_space_partitioning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_caching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_volume
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaTexture
>>320153573
that wasn't a port
>>320160603
People have been saying this exact same thing since like 2007. For almost all of /v/'s history it's been plagued by the shit that everyone constantly pretends started up a few months ago. Shitpost central is what /v/ is, and it's been that way a lot longer than it's been anything else.
>>320162401
Mega textures is definitely way ahead of its time, we just don't have the storage space to spare, but I'd imagine in the future it might become a thing (or a variant of it)
>>320159745
this is sinful
>>320161850
>nintendo would still force its shit ways onto consumers en masse and fuck over the capitalist markets with evil ways
they needed to die, im glad they hated third party support like id Software for example
>>320161850
What if they developed all the stuff they did anyways but they were still owned by Nintendo?
>Doomguy replaces Captain Falcon in Smash Bros
>>320162756
But isn't Carmack out of gaming and now involved with aerospace engineering and VR?
>>320162943
Yes
What's your point?
>>320162889
>replace captain falcon
Have him replace one of the sword faggots
>>320163101
You mean the one sword faggot that was in Smash 64?
>>320163034
Nvermind, didn't read the "variant of it". But it's mostly because I don't trust id without him.
>>320162889
>cannot jump
not a good idea at all
>>320162889
>not romero
>not giving him many long hair moves
>>320163359
You're a sane person.
Carmack made id, the others made the games based on Carmacks magic engines.
>>320163487
There's a problem with my statement though,I don't trust Carmack alone, without Romero unless you mean enginewise.
>>320163487
yeah, just like in their D&D days, Carmack was the dungeon master and the others were the adventures that made history
>>320160934
yes and eventually the PS comes around and allows CDs.
There was this story of a guy in development who invented an early type of digital camera. In the end it was buried because not only were the existing cameras better, but the company had photo development booths and they sold film for their cameras. Meaning that they would lose out massively.
Years later they were replaced by other digital cameras from other companies and they went bankrupt because they couldnt catch up with the new tech.
The same you could see on the GC. their stupid minidisks added extra patent costs and in some games parts had to be compressed or cut to allow the smaller space.
>>320159745
>>320163302
Sure, why not
>>320151906
ahhahahha THIS IS THE POWER OF PC
HAHAHAHAH
>>320163621
Yeah enginewise.
>>320163637
Having carmack as my DM would be fucking rad.
>Is this allowed?
>Let's see.... actually, you just broke the boundaries, you're not part of the lore anymore, things you do affect the fourth dimension.
>*rolls dice*.... It's a 3
>You botched, okay, you in your clumsiness manage to trip on a time warp, making time go a few seconds backwards every 5-20 seconds but it only affects you.
>You end up looking like a stuttering retard.
Damn, I had the power to control the world and all I got was some stuttering handicap.
>>320155138
It's fucking heresy ;_;
>>320156058
>Hard to shitpost in a thread like this I guess.
Yet you still managed.
>>320161065
>>320164056
How young are you? This exact Demo was floating around the Internet since the mid 90s and you could download it almost everywhere.
>>320162401
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_tile_refresh
became deprecated with VGA
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MegaTexture
megalolz
>>320163750
>their stupid minidisks added extra patent costs
No.
>>320163750
>>320165871
Were minidiscs even a Nintendo thing? I remember getting some Pokemon related thing on a tiny disc that just ran on the PC like normal and that was way before the Gamecube was out.
>>320162401
>raycasting
What does this have to do with id?
>>320166078
There are DVD discs of the same size, Nintendo just wouldn't pay DVD license fees so they pretty much made the same discs but without the DVD part.
Like with the Wii. The Gamecube can actually play DVD discs if you open it up a bit and mod it.
>>320162889
You mean Metroid?
