>I believe games don't need a good story
>videogames
>good story
They don't need it, but a good story can raise a great game to GOTY.
I play fighting games for the plot.
If I wanted a story, I would read a book.
>>320148796
That's not neckbeardy. It's the graphics that white knights don't desperately need
Characters > Story
>>320148796
If the game is good enough it doesn't but its always a plus.
a (good) story is not necessary for a good video game.
some games don't even have a discernable story
in some cases though, a good story can be sufficient for a good video game. subjective, of course.
>>320148796
>Believing story is more important than gameplay
Gameplay > Music > Story > Graphics
>>320149080
But do books have interactive gameplay? No. It's the definition of railroading.
You're a fucking pleb. No, CYOA books don't fucking count, illusion of choice is not choice at all.
No games NEED a good story, but a good story enhances the game.
>>320148947
/thread
>>320149623
>illusion of choice is not choice at all.
Just like 99% of games with ''choices'' then.
>>320149623
>illusion of choice is not choice at all
how is it illusion?
>>320149470
>tfw neotripfags can't even trip properly
I need to stop coming here and getting disappointed
A game's story must be told through gameplay and interactivity, any game that tries to tell its story through walls of text and huge amounts of dialogues is actually failing to explore what the medium is capable of.
>>320148796
>>320149698
Games don't need a good story. Sometimes a story would get in the way
Doom
Dwarf fortress
Quake
Monsterhunter
Left for dead
4x
racing games
Rollercoaster tycoon
simgames
>>320148796
goddamn, that story for tetris was the shit
>>320149983
>le ludonarrative dissonance
>>320150589
>le tetris is the perfect game
>>320150807
>le
>frogposting
>unsing greentext as arguments
Fuck off you pathetic frogposter.
>>320150443
>Not wanting Rollercoaster Tycoon to be an emotional cinematic game
>>320149806
Because the results are already there and your choices are basically cross roads shit. "Turn Left" or "Turn Right". There is nothing deeper than that, there is no "I wonder what happened to that faggot I saved from being lynched in vidya"
>>320150443
Fucker off Undermeme fag.
>I seek good stories in the medium with the least amount of good stories.
That's retarded as fuck, senpai. It's one thing to expect stories as a complementary element or as a means to enhance the actual gameplay, but expecting it to be the main feature of a game is one of the cancers that's killing the industry.
>>320149623
CYOA books actually have more choices than 90% of "RPG's", most games have one or two splits late into the game or only the ending cutscene changes and you do the exact same missions through out.
>>320151157
Undermeme I never mentioned that shitty game you retard.
Oh I get it your just baiting then
>>320151161
>expecting non-retarded story is cancer
So I guess Halo 5 is the best Halo and Resistance 2 and 3 were just as good as the first one and people are unjustified in wanting a good story in rpgs it narrative driven games? Great gameplay is not the focus of many games.
>>320151002
Doom will never be spec ops the line
No John you were the real demon the whole time
>>320151157
that's still not illusion of choice
>>320151620
Yeah, sorry, thanks for the (You) thou, I appreciate it.
>>320148796
>>320151950
Yes it is. Choice would be I could do something completely different.
>You can either shoot yourself in the head, or get shot by me, only choices
That's not a choice, it's an illusion of it, the result is the same, I die, regardless.
If it wasn't an illusion, I'd be able to shoot the other guy. Or shoot a window and jump out, or something else.
>>320149875
Go back to Tumblr
>>320151714
>Reading comprehension skills
Games can have good stories, but it must be a secondary element, not the main feature. You are in the wrong media if you are expecting narrative as a main feature.
See also >>320149983
>Great gameplay is not the focus of many games.
And like I said, this is cancer. The west is trying to turn games into interactive movies.
>>320148796
Depends on the genre
RPGs should have a good story.
Something like a bullet hell doesn't need a story.
>>320152083
holy shit you are a retard
>>320152394
>RPGs should have a good story.
Also wrong. RPGs don't need a good story, that's a misleading concept that was spread by games from the 90's and early 00's.
>>320152634
Name a great RPG that doesn't have a story or has a complete shit story
They dont.
A good game is just chess.
A game with story is "We are going to play chess soon, but first let me tell you why you need to defeat the evil dark side."
>>320152697
Dark Souls has barely any focus in story.
Dragon's Dogma has a terrible story.
Vagrant Story has a shitty story.
>These aren't RPGs!
I'm sorry, but they are.
>>320152697
>inb4 some famous rpg
A game needs a fail and win state to make it a game.
>>320152906
You're fucking retarded
>>320153078
Therefore, Gone home isn't a game.
>>320153237
Nice argument, kid. You sure showed me.
>>320153371
The sole fact that you think Dark Souls has no story makes you an imbecile not worth talking to
>>320152697
Every pokemon game. They have a intersting world and concept, but you get to know those trough the game and not the story, wich is always ridiculous.
Also, Darkest Dungeon, one of my favorite RPGs because it gets rid of all the unnecesary and get you right into the core.
>>320153426
I am not him, but i played dark souls dont giving a damn about the story. Is there and is a nice touch, but the emphasis is on the difficult gameplay.
>>320153680
What a joke, Dark Souls isn't even difficult. Are you one of those redditors who circlejerks over it being le hardest game of all time and a proof of you being a true hardcore gamer?
>>320153426
It has developed lore, but a basic plot.
>>320153426
>you think Dark Souls has no story
>My post:Dark Souls has barely any focus in story.
You just proved to me that you don't how to read.
Every fucking game in existence has a story of some sorts, you autistic fuck. The fact is that Dark Souls has barely any focus in telling one. Most players beat the game without knowing shit about the world, the story or the characters and that's okay, because the lore/story is a nice addition, but not the core feature of the game. The game manages to be good RPG without needing a good story and that was the entire point of the argument.
Goddammit, you're retarded.
>>320153958
The story of a game can be good without the game directly feeding it to you.
Dark Souls has a great story. It just makes you experience it in the non-traditional way.
You fucking moron.
>>320154049
If the component isn't necessary, it's a distraction taking away from the overall experience.
BATTLE OF THE GODS OH SHIT ZOMBIE PEOPLE RISING UP is something that I don't care about nor need to understand in order to play Dark Souls.
>>320153808
You're right, it's not. It's actually a pretty shit game all things considered. Easy patterns and manipulating things like lazy AI pathing and movement mechanics. Yawn.
>>320153808
>Dark Souls isn't difficult maymay
Okay, kid. I get that you think of yourself as a hardcore gamer, but the fact is that dark souls is difficulty for today's standards. And it sure is difficult compared to games of similar budget and fame. You are not the one that decides what's difficulty and what's not. That's decided by comparison, standards and common sense.
Does being difficult makes Dark Souls good?Of course not, Dark Souls is great due to a bunch of complementary factors and not just one thing, but you can't deny that the game is hard for mainstream standards.
>>320154049
>The story of a game can be good without the game directly feeding it to you.
I never denied that Dark Souls has a good story, but read it again:
>and that's okay, because the lore/story is a nice addition, but not the core feature of the game
It's a good addition, but not the reason why the game is considered good. The could remove all the lore and story and it would still be considered great by many people.
>>320154481
>If the component isn't necessary, it's a distraction taking away from the overall experience.
That's pretty dumb. The lore/story of dark souls is complementary to its gameplay. It's a good addition that will enhance your experience, but like I said above. It isn't the main feature and certainly not the reason why most people like the game.
>>320152501
Yet you think you're being tricked into believing you have choice ;)
>>320148796
>I believe I can shitpost all day to get my views across
Please fuck off.
>>320154647
>The could remove all the lore and story
Not really
>>320155626
Most people would still love Dark Souls even if there was literally no dialogue, lore or item descriptions. Hell, the vast majority of people beat Dark Souls 1 without knowing shit about what happened.
>>320149080
If I wanted cinematography, I would watch a movie.
If I wanted good acting, I would go to a play.
If I wanted to be a tremendous faggot, I would only consume media for the defining element of that form of media.
>>320148796
Quake, team fortress 2, CSGO, Dota 2
>>320148796
They don't need a story as long as the gameplay is good.
A story can add to a game's quality, but it isn't necessary. People who think that story has no place in games are retarded though.
They don't need a good story, but it's refreshing from time to time.
>>320156210
TF2 has a good story though.
>>320153280
Checkmate
>>320149056
Max, the intellectual redneck.
>>320148796
A game is good only if you can have fun by playing it.
>>320158889
Have you ever played a survival horror game before? Silent hill 2 is the opposite of fun, but its still a great game. Games can be so much more than just 'fun', why should they limit themselves?
>>320152906
If you think those are RPGs you are underage. Those are great action games anon the term has changed over time to mean something else. I'm almost sure anon was talking about what RPGs used to be: environment, atmosphere, lore, character interaction, etc. not combat.
>>320156301
just like MGS V did it, right?
>>320159290
But Silent Hill 2 IS fun.
I believe doesn't need to /v/ exist anymore
>>320159732
You are very strange. Everyone except you found it to be depressing as fuck. The atmosphere was so strong that it made me feel nauseous at times - I could barely even get through it, it made me feel so bad. But the fact that they were able to create such a powerful atmosphere is a great achievement.
Every element in the game is designed to prevent fun, since if the player did have fun it would ruin the atmosphere - the player is supposed to be depressed and lonely, not happy. For example, the combat is incredibly shit, with clunky controls and stiff animations. This is because if fighting was fun, there would be a huge disconnect between the player and the James, and it would give the player an incentive to seek out enemies to fight, which is the opposite of what they wanted to happen.
What did you think was fun about it?
>>320160356
Well I had fun getting scared, exploring the environments, learning about the characters, hearing the music, getting different endings and so on and so on.
But to really answer your question: even negative emotions can be fun to experience in the right context. :)
>>320160356
>You are very strange.
>>320160356
>The atmosphere was so strong that it made me feel nauseous at times
LAAAAAAAAAWL
>>320160863
I think that you're confusing 'fun' with 'good'.
>>320161278
Well I don't think so, but just to make sure I went and googled the word "fun" and got this(watch out for terrible formatting lol):
fun
noun
noun: fun
enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure.
adjectiveinformal
adjective: fun
amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable.
