Really now, this shit costs $160 and it's just a square gate inside?
Care to explain?
actually square gate is superior
but the price is because of the other parts anyway
>>320095029
Are you some kind of korean retard?
>>320095225
How is square gate superior to octo gate?
>>320095029
Square gate isn't really an issue what's your gripe with a square gate f@m?
>>320095029
Stop riding the gate.
>>320095614
Why do you say that?
>>320095320
how is octo gate superior to square gate?
just bought this for 200
http://www.amazon.com/Catz-Arcade-FightStick-Tournament-PlayStation-4/dp/B00UHE4DHU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1450076301&sr=8-9&keywords=ps4+fight+stick
comon OP
dont be so cheap
>http://www.amazon.com/HORI-Real-Arcade-Pro-PlayStation-4/dp/B00SULMRI4
>price has been doing down a few cents every hour or so for the past 2 days
what is happening
if I wait long enough is it going to be free
>>320095029
Literally only scrubs use octagonal gates.
I bought one of these to play KI on, I don't even give af it was on sale for 120$. Need to buy an Octo gate though.
>>320095965
Doesn't that have issues with the plexi moving though?
>>320096075
think this is the one I have.
![MadCatz-SFV-Alpha-PS4-001_l[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HO5oLz3.jpg "MadCatz-SFV-Alpha-PS4-001_l[1].jpg")
>>320095029
here you go senpai
>>320095965
Why are these TE shits getting more expensive every gen?
>>320096307
Should I get this? I want a small stickand this seems perfect
>>320096082
Japs use octo, and win evo every time.
>>320096368
wouldn't you want lt and rt though??
>>320096218
and i just ordered it.
i haven't heard anything though
>>320096315
Because retards keep buying them. It's cheaper to buy a hori and swap the parts out or just build your own.
>>320096368
Anon, don't fall for the madcatz gimmicks and jewing.
buy a real stick, if you want something small go for hori mini even thought it's not a good stick its perfect for size matters.
>>320096425
Are you retarded? Sanwa and Seimitsu, and Hayabusa sticks all are square gates. The reason they come stock on every Japanese stick is because japs prefer them.
Who lied to you?
>>320096425
a bunch of americans use octo, and they lose
what's your point
>>320096165
Funny you should say that. One of the quirks of the original KI was that it didn't have half-circle motions, it had diagonal to diagonal because Ken Lobb liked the feeling of slamming the stick against the corners of the square gates the machines came with.
>>320095965
>Temporarily out of stock.
FUCK
>>320096425
literally the only info i can find on what gate pro japanese players use is that daigo and tokido like all japanese players use square gates
you're just making shit up to justify the $20 piece of plastic you swapped into your arcade stick that didn't make you any better at fighting games
>>320095868
It has eight directions instead of four.
>>320095029
These things cost 100+ dollars? holy hell you fightan guys get ripped off. There can't be more than $50 dollars in hardware in there max
>>320095320
>>320097134
Buttons are $8 each
Shit adds up fast poorfag
>>320095868
it's not. no pros use octo gates.
>>320097179
how is that better?
>>320097130
what
>>320096898
>you're just making shit up.
You're right I am. I just wanted to see the replies. I don't even own a fight stick.
>>320097473
u don't even own a job looser
>>320097453
right angle corners vs obtuse angle corners. locks in 623 motions.
>>320095029
>Care to explain?
Capitalism. Case fuckin closed.
>>320097134
the components alone are $90+
making a nice case cheaply is difficult unless you get materials for free and already have tools
>>320096557
I have a hori mini
it sucks shit
>complaining about a $160 stick
>new PS4 sticks for SF5 are literally $300+
Fuck MadCatz and fuck fat fuccboi Markman
>>320097668
well you get what you pay for
>>320097634
How is that better?
It just makes hitting diagonals harder.
>>320095029
160? got my kai for 120. if that has JLF and sanwa I don't see the problem.
honestly i dont mind the hayabusa but i swapped the kuros out for seimitsu.
i know parts come down to preference but i've never met anyone who actually prefers octo gates
>>320097528
But I do. And go to college. One semester left ^_^
>>320097230
$8? Are you buying all LED buttons? Regular OSBFs are like $2 and the "high quality" ones are $5.
>>320097453
From my understanding, it really depends on the game or character you're playing that determines the stick you should use. Not a universal rule, but a square gates more useful for modern fighters where inputs are lenient, wherein older fighters had some crazy precise shit (like Darkstalkers) where an octo-gate fits better so you can train that precision.
>>320097720
the right angle is easier to hit than the obtuse. More area.
>>320097718
I got it for free from a friend who has a not crap stick
Is there just an easy recommendation chart for sticks?
>>320097720
are you intentionally being retarded
>>320097794
Makes absolutely no sense. Octo gates dont help with precision.
Where did you get that nonsense from?
>>320097668
How?
>>320097730
You're is not even a RAP 3, OP's pic is a RAP4 it costs $200 actually.
>>320097819
So how is octo better?
>>320097947
it's not
>>320097453
now you are just memeing
>>320097947
it isn't
can you not read
>>320097846
look for a decent qanba or a RAP if you can find for a good price
madcatz is good but their prices are a fucking steal because markman is an evil fat guy
>>320097878
i kno have multiple sticks senpai. pic is rap premium (viewlix) and is about 300
heres the rap4. 120 on amazon a long time ago. how TF is OP's pic 200??
>Have a hrap4 pro
>Want to change the cover
>Can't because the whole thing is sealed with no screws
Shit
>>320097947
maybe you should re-read the reply chain
>>320098080
How easy is it to replace the buttons and shit?
I have a rap4 too and I'm planning on modding it eventually.
>>320098258
go for a madcatz te2. it's ez pz
>>320097230
>Buttons are $8 dollars each
Someone is ripping you off then. I'm a keyboard hobbyist and cherry keyswitches are like a buck each from any wholesaler. I highly doubt there's a huge difference between an arcade pushbutton and a keyswitch.
>the components alone are $90+
This sounds like literal bullshit to me.
>>320098258
if the buttons are snap in no problem. If they're screw in you will need a way to sand out/cut some plastic inside to replace L1 because the plastic nut thing won't fit.
it's really easy
Can I buy a good korean style stick that uses rubber tensioners in US? I think etokki ones just use bat top with regular square gate, is this true?
>>320098258
it's pretty easy, you can find many video guides on youtube
not as easy as the TE2 but still very simple
>>320098470
even buttons that use cherries are around 4 dollars
>>320097878
I don't know anything about fight sticks but this looks and feels like a children's toy
>>320098470
Sanwa and Seimitsu rip off dumb kids because they make high quality arcade parts for shit that's meant to stand up to a 2 year old drooling on the buttons.
Honestly, it's pretty hilarious. I'm glad for all the dumb-shit fighting game retards, it meant I could pick up a decent stick for 30 bucks with arcade buttons already installed, and then just swap in an LS-32 for my shmups. It'd be a lot of hassle to drill all that shit out of wood for the same price.
>>320098751
>even buttons that use cherries are around 4 dollars
Given that cherry is one of the gold standards in switch making, your "even" seems suspect to me. I'd imagine that cherry pushbuttons would be on the more expensive side of available switches, whereas you can get chinese switches from companies like gateron for probably nothing. Searching ebay, I'm seeing a lot of arcade pushbutton switches from china for 90 cents to a dollar.
>>320098478
I'm planning on getting sanwa buttons, are those snap in?
>>320098470
this is pretty much a bare minimum component purchase, there are nicer pcbs that are solderless and ideally you'd want something like a usb passthrough, so a neutrik usb port and usb cable both aren't pictured which would add around another $10
you could save a little bit of money by daisy chaining and cutting/crimping your own wire but it wouldn't be more than $5 at the most that you save
note also that this pcb is the cheapest current gen ready pcb, but requires you to solder all the connections so if you don't already own solder and a soldering iron that will increase the price even more
the only signifcant money that you can save is in the case and it's extremely hard to save any money there either unless you already have cheap materials and all the tools you need to work with them
>>320099040
Where are you going to get plastic button housing that fits your switch? Replacing switches is cheap, the expensive part of buttons is the housing.
>>320098080
are those buttons sanwa or seimitsu? The clears are pretty
>>320099276
those are sanwa obsc-30
>>320099050
yeah you will need sanwa obsc-30 or obsf-30s and -24 for the start button
Recommendations for baby's first stick?
>>320099276
>>320099323
those are seimitsu
>>320097869
the precision being that you can move from the corner to cardinal much faster than you can on a square gate but a square gate is more accurate overall
>>320099142
If you spend the 40 dollars a fucking shitty PS4 PCB would cost you on a second-hand ebay stick, you literally cut your price in half.
It's mindblowing that anyone would spend 7 bucks on some fucking wire. You know you could buy the exact same thing from china for a dollar, right?
>>320099486
that's the best ps4 pcb available right now you have no idea what you're talking about
if you buy a second hand ebay stick you need to swap out the pcb or buy a converter anyways
I already said you could save a few dollars on wire if you didn't mind cutting and crimping it yourself but unless you make minimum wage your time probably isn't worth the tiny amount that you save
>>320097453
The idea is that every input combination has equal area on the stick, so you're less likely to miss inputs.
I think it's pretty up to personal opinion though, just decide if you'd rather have equal distance to each direction or equal area for each direction and base it on that.
>>320099724
And you don't need a PS4 PCB unless you have brane probrems. The system has nothing worth playing, and by the time it does, there will be a Chinese PCB that costs 5 dollars.
A second hand stick will work with whatever you bought it for, don't get a stick for X if you want to use it on Y.
And you don't understand my point about wire. Chinks will literally ship you a hundred fucking 22AWG pieces of wire with QDs and standard board adapters for a dollar. And that's if you're stupid enough to actually need them, given your 20 dollar eBay stick should have come with a full set that can just be removed from the cheap chink stick and buttons and re-used on Sanwas.
Would it be cheaper to buy the Hori RAP4 kai or should I just get a cheaper stick and put better buttons on it myself?
>>320100072
my mistake I assumed you actually wanted to play fighting games
yes you can make a crappy shmup stick in a shoebox for like $50-60 in components instead of $90 but why are you even bothering to buy a stick at that point
if your only concern is switch quality then you can get a keyboard with quality switches for $15 so just go jerk off over that
>>320099379
That sounds complicated, what's the difference? I know the start button is smaller than the rest but what is the difference between bsc-30 and obsf-30s
>>320100374
If the price keeps dwindling every few minutes, the kai is probably your best bet
You can always sell off the kuro buttons too, people might want those but nobody will want to buy cheap noname buttons off you from a trash stick
>>320100738
>but what is the difference between obsc-30 and obsf-30s
Color, the C's are just the clear ones.
>>320099142
Holy hell, if that's how much an arcade pcb costs you might as well just spend that money on a printer and make your own. How do they get away with that?
>>320100738
one is shallower both should fit a rap4
to actually replace them all you do is unscrew the baseplate and pop all the buttons out and snap in the wires. it takes like 20 minutes
>>320100853
The FGC are literally the dumbest people in the world, as evidenced by them spending hundreds of dollars on sticks that don't even have arcade buttons.
>>320095320
On paper octogonal/circle gate should be better but the truth is that the octagon gate is smaller than the square gate which makes it more difficult to hit diagonals as >>320097179 shows
If they made a gate that was the absolute limit in terms of width it would be a godsend, until then either stick with a square gate (which does the job, its the standard for a reason) or no gate at all (it'll wear down your stick but it feels like a dream)
>>320100981
Nobody sells a stick for "hundreds of dollars" that doesn't have real arcade buttons
>>320096557
I had a madcatz TE, I miss it to death, it's probably my favorite stick and I enjoyed it more than my HRAP V.4
>>320098123
http://www.tek-innovations.com/arthobbies/?loc=products&cat=16
Open it from the back and you can remove the front plate from inside. This guy sells a clear acrylic front plate cover with front screws.
>>320100969
I want to punch his face so bad.
>>320100853
it's a high quality low latency pcb for current gen fighting games
if you just want something really cheap/simple to make some home stick setup for shmups then buy this
http://www.focusattack.com/ps3-pc-zero-delay-usb-encoder-pcb/
>>320101157
Are you saying shmups don't require low latency?
>>320099724
Didn't a recent patch break it so it disconnects after 8 minutes?
Better off just pad hacking a FC4, its cheaper and there's no chance of Sony patching out shady techniques to get around their controller authentication.
>>320101283
shmups don't require a low latency pcb that works on multiple consoles and autodetects which system you plugged into nor do they require a ps4 pcb
the pcb I linked is low latency
it's also worth noting as an aside that most retail stick pcbs esp. current ps4 ones have a lot of additional latency, some of them add even more than a frame so even buying one secondhand you get cheaped out
>>320101462
over a month ago yeah but it was patched within 48 hours while akishop still hasn't said anything about a ps360+ version that bypasses it
so no the current brook pcb has no issues and even if a new firmware update breaks it again it'll likely be fixed close to immediately
>>320097684
>own PS4
>buy all fighting games on platforms that aren't PS4
It's an odd situation. I'm not sure I give enough of a shit about KoF to buy XIV if I need to buy a stick either.
Can I buy a HRAP 4 and put a JLF in it without having to fuck around with the bracket? I want something with a touchpad and low lag.
