Are action games dying, /v/?
They've always been, and will continue to be, a niche genre.
Remember when /v/ used to call them hacknslash and then asshurt mustard neckbeards started sperging about how only diablo-lites are hacknslash so then they forced the autistic name "spectacle fighter"?
>>319943314
nah
>bayo 2
>W101
>DMC4 SE
we're in a rebirth right now senpai. at least i hope. DMC5 when?
>>319943483
we call them "cuhrayzee games" or "character action games".
>>319943472
This. And the same can be said of;
>RTS
>grand strategy
>fightan games
>non-casual puzzles
>dialogue-heavy adventures
>tactical RPGs
>racing
>flight simulators
>mecha games
Some of them are healthier than others, but they are all certifiably niche genres.
>>319943785
>meme genres
>>319943483
We've been through this, no one can come up with a consensus on what to call them. /v/ and /vg/ has kinda settled on CUHRAYZEE but that name is retarded.
I used to call them 'stylish action' games before people started throwing around 'character action'.
And it's not even JUST that genre, action games in general, aside from generic Western shooters, are dying.
>>319943551
And we're still practically not getting shit.
DMC5 is unconfirmed, Team Ninja is doing a billion other things that aren't Ninja Gaiden 4, the only truly CUHRAYZEE game Platinum is making right now is Nier Automata.
We're fucked.
>>319943314
Not at all, anon!
>>319943551
dmc4 is vastly inferior to 3
still, at least the genre has life in it these days, not like muh survival horror...
>>319943785
>>racing
I call bullshit on this. Racing genre is kinda dying now (although it's been experiencing a bit of a rebirth recently I think?), but back in the day, they were HUGE. There wasn't a single person alive, who played vidya, who DIDN'T play at least one racing game and love it.
I want to marry short hair Bayonetta!
Action games have always been niche. Did you know before MGR came out the original Devil May Cry had the best week 1 sales record at 300k+? Bayonetta 2 sold surprisingly well. But these types of games are not popular these days because the players these days are too casual. Before your reward was unlocking content by gitting gud and having the personal satisfaction of self improvement. The masses don't like challenge, don't like anything that makes them feel bad, and would probably rather buy content than unlock it with work.
But yes, these types of games have always been and will always be niche, they are literally "too video gamey" for the masses.
>>319944346
>But yes, these types of games have always been and will always be niche, they are literally "too video gamey" for the masses.
This actually angers me that a lot of people probably feel that way.
Why are video games dying?
>>319943314
Is this the new SJW/feminist meme? Don't they try this shit every other week?
>I THINK IT'S TIME WE PUT ACTION GAMES TO BED - Kotaku
>action games don't get put to bed
>I THINK IT'S TIME WE PUT JRPGS TO BED - polygon
>JRPGs are doing just fine
>I THINK IT'S TIME WE PUT FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS TO BED - Buzzfeed
>newest cowadoody breaks GameStop's supply line
>I THINK IT'S TIME WE *FART FARRRT FARRRRRRRRRT FART FART POOOOOOP S'POOOPP" TO BED - TheVerge
>vidya continues, despite the best efforts of self-loathing gaming publications
In terms of JUST gameplay, is DMC3 or 4 better? Why?
>>319944674
What are you talking about?
Have any links to any articles like that?
>>319944650
Because casual have all the money
If I create a thread asking this, it is sure to be flooded by shitflinging and Donte memes, so I will ask here.
I want to play through the entire Devil May Cry series.
Assuming I play the rest in release order, should I begin or end by playing the reboot? Release order for the rest, of course.
>>319944781
Nero was fun too but dante was more fun so 3
>>319945030
If you're serious about it, play the series in release order with DmC being last. Only then can you truly appreciate how ground breaking the DMC series is and how mediocre DmC was in comparison.
They turned into God of War/Devil May Cry clones.
Yes they are.
>>319944781
3 is probably better overall. I need to play 4:SE better but despite the improvements 4 made in terms of enemy design, letting you switch Styles whenever you want as Dante, etc., as well as SOME of the boss design (namely the big demonic bosses you fight), 4 is essentially a gigantic step back from 3.
Well, 'gigantic' might be overstating it but it's not really as well-made as 3.
>>319945030
Maybe start with DmC first, then play the original series in release order. Might as well get the awful game out of the way. Skip 2 while you're at it.
>>319945030
Release order so you'd understand the hate the reboot made
>>319943785
>>fightan games
KOF 14 tekken 7 and street fighters 5 are coming next year and soul calbur 6 will be announced soon
Do you mean specifically 3d games in the mold of DMC?
Because just "action" covers a lot of ground from 2d beat-em-ups to FPS.
>>319945376
Even then I don't think he'll understand.
In order to truly understand why DmC was so hated, you would have had to have been a big DMC fan at the time the game was announced and the following PR shitstorm fro Capcom and Ninja Theory.
>>319945446
Both, I guess.
I mean, if you don't count FPSes and TPSes, action games in general are either dead or dying.
>>319945604
>I mean, if you don't count FPSes and TPSes, action games in general are either dead or dying.
pfft
>>319943971
>>319943483
Who fucking cares. As long as everyone knows what we're talking about, it shouldn't fucking matter what we call them.
With the archives dead it's moot point to discuss whichever came first anyway.I'm still callin it character action, if only because ppl get stupid mad whenever it's used for some reason.
>>319946436
people get stupid mad over genre nomenclature in every medium because people are fucking retarded
>>319945604
2d action games are seeing better days then they have for awhile in the indie world. Yes there's a lot of crap there, but well that's Sturgeon's law for you.
>>319946109
I mean, it's kinda true.
Yeah both of those subgenres within the 'action' genre as a whole are doing really well.
But otherwise?
>beat 'em ups
dead
>shmups
niche as fucking hell, even more so than CUHRAYZEE
>fighting games
niche, but doing alright I guess; possibly even growing
>rail shooters
dead
>run 'n' gun games
fucking deader than disco
>CUHRAYZEE
possibly on life support at the moment; Platinum is the only developer even really making games in the genre anymore
>>319944252
and I wish I could have Bayonetta as a friend because I'd have no idea how to handle her ass anything more, but that ain't happenin.
I hope that Onimusha spiritual succesor turns out to be good, god knows I need a cuhrayzee title on the ps4.
>>319946669
Damn, that's a good point. I forgot about indies for some reason
I need cookieface to come back and make Ninja Gaiden 4. I always liked NG more than any other action game, shit's ridiculously fast paced.
>>319945160
>>319945327
>>319945376
I suppose I'll end with DmC, then. I understand that it's a big step down, so my only worry is that I'll lose the will to finish it after having played the better installments. I'm a completion autist and will slog through it even if it's irredeemable shit.
If I end with it, then I guess I'll at least be able to take my time 100%ing it.
Thanks, Anons.
>>319946680
"Action" is such a ridiculously inclusive umbrella term that you'd have to be a fool to think action games are in any way "dying", even excluding first and third person shooter games.
>>319944781
4, but 3 is by far the better game overall.
>>319946797
You're beyond unqualified to opine on the state of videogames, holy fuck.
>>319946686
>I hope that Onimusha spiritual succesor turns out to be good, god knows I need a cuhrayzee title on the ps4.
>Ni-Oh
>at all going to be CUHRAYZEE
We'll see.
>>319947049
Maybe.
>>319947163
It slipped my mind for a second, you fucking moron.
>>319947265
>says action games are dying
>calls other people moron
It's not your fault you're stupid, anon. I forgive you.
>>319945440
You do know the "revival" of fighting games is actually a lie SF fans give themselves right?
No competent AND well polished indie fighters whatsoever in the last three years, and even the niche developers like French Bread and Examu are doing licensed games over putting out new IPs.
SFII Vanilla to SFIII Vanilla was only SIX YEARS, meanwhile, we're just at V after the same time.
>>319947672
>No competent AND well polished indie fighters whatsoever in the last three years
Skullgirls
>>319947531
Prove me wrong then.
The genre as a whole is in a state of decline.
>>319947936
>Two publishers
>Completely funding dependent
>Limited by deadline, budget, and paychecks
>Doesn't own their own assets
That's in four ways they aren't indie.
And Skullgirls isn't well polished outside gameplay in the slightest. Even the animations when they're supposed to be fighting.
No genres are dying entirely, there will always be small-time developers working on things even if they're garbage.
Publishers are just paring back on funding niche genres with AAA game money because AAA game money is a lot of fucking money now and they're playing it safe as shit with genres that sell lots of copies extremely consistently.
When the money gets big enough things basically have to happen this way if anyone wants to stay profitable. So if you want your niche genres you have to go where the money is small.
And if by action games you just mean Kamiya and Itsuno stuff just go yell at them to make more games.
>>319943983
Almost all those games are mediocre to shit.
>>319944346
Literally explain the massive popularity of the souls games then
>>319943483
>Western "action" games
>>319946834
Cookie now makes mobile and korean f2p games. He's dead anon.
>>319949575
Misquoted: >>319943983
>>319949575
>western "games"
>>319949849
>"games"
>>319949356
Its what truly can be called "meme game".
Its popular because bamco pushed it as "the niche game" that gives you nerd status, because nerd is now chic.
>>319949575
>worst girl
They didn't die, but devolved into Batman and God of War level to cater to the lowest common denominator. Nowadays any game that isn't copy of those get trashed by journalists everywhere.
>>319949967
>""
>>319950319
>They didn't die, but devolved into Batman and God of War level to cater to the lowest common denominator.
reminder Kamiya praises GoW3
>>319951142
Hitler praised Jesus, a praise has nothing to do with deed.
>>319951142
It's the best in the series and actually has some challenge if you play on hard.
Still pales in comparison even to the gameplay of DmC.
>>319951142
But it's not a bad game.
It's just terribly simplistic even compared to MGR
>>319951142
>Kamiya praises GoW3
and said he can't top it
even Bayo2 better than that shit
>>319949356
Dark Souls is basic as fuck.
Which reminds me, they still haven't gotten the camera right after all these fucking iterations.
Do action RPGs count as action games?
>>319951505
>>319951142
Maybe he's just being humble?
Has Kamiya ever said anything bad about another game?
>>319951142
http://www.psu.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-154776.html
>>319952262
Not the kinds that we're talking about in this thread.
D-Souls/BB is slow as fuck.
>>319952281
i think he dissed Ninja Gaiden on the same interview about him praise GoW
>>319952498
Yeah I'm reading it right now.
For a man who has made some of my favorite games, he sure has some stupid opinions.
>>319952374
>BB is slow as fuck.
Maybe the framerate, but the gameplay is pretty fast paced compared to Souls.
>>319943971
Hayashi killed Ninja Gaiden, I have no faith in him to make NG4.shame about devils third though
>>319952628
>he sure has some stupid opinions.
do you eat shit?
>>319952658
Compared to games like DMC, Bayonetta, or Ninja Gaiden?
It's slow.
>>319952658
Still slow compared to the games we are talking in this thread.
>>319952745
I'm not about to call God of War 3 a better game than Ninja Gaiden
>>319952774
>DMC
It's as fast the first one at least.
>>319944674
>literally 13 year old: the post
You got a platinum game not even two months ago
RUN AND GUN
>contra, army men, metal slug
BEAT EM UP
>Streets of Rage, Ken's Rage, kunio kun
HACK AND SLASH
>dynasty warriors, golden axe, ninja gaiden black
Bayonetta is a beat my meat up, as it relies on martial arts, punching, kicking, etc..
DMC is a hack and slash, as the primary fight is with swords.
These two have variety of weapons with the inclusion of shooting, but they are not shooters.
>>319952936
The camera can get so frustrating in Bloodborne sometimes, that sometimes I honestly would prefer it had a fixed camera system.
>>319943314
>this tumblr tier art
yep, dying
>>319953180
what about it makes it tumblr
use your big boy words now
>>319943785
>tactical RPGs
Like turn based tactics with RPG elements like Jagged Alliance and X-com?
I think there's actually a lot of those coming in from indie devs, though very few are any good.
>>319943971
>actually wanting ng4
Let it die anon. 3 doesn't exist.
>>319953024
>hack and slash
>doesn't list Diablo, Torchlight, or Titan Quest
>>319944346
Explain Dark Souls success then.
>>319953024
>separating genres for something as arbitrary as weapons used
Do you separate shooters into pistolers and shotgunners?
>>319943314
fuck homestuck.
>>319943483
I always viewed Hack n' Slash as more simplistic Action games which generally lack complex combos like No More Heroes, Bloodrayne, Dynasty Warriors etc.
>>319953693
>final fight is the same as dynasty warriors
>Ninja (Hero, for you brits) Turtles IV is the same as Metal Slug X
Don't be a ding dong.
>>319953628
Literally who??
>>319943314
Nope!
>>319953628
That's called action/rpg.
God of War dumbed down the entire genre.
>>319954073
what game?
>>319943314
Bayo is fucking fantastic. that's all
>>319944781
4, style switching shits all over single styles.
>>319953986
>final fight is the same as dynasty warriors
no but Ken's rage is
>>319946686
>because I'd have no idea how to handle her ass
I'd sure handle it, it you comprehend my intentions
>>319953024
>Separating extremely similar games because you use different weapons in them
u fuckin' wot
That classification puts Bayonetta in a different genre from Metal Gear Rising and Devil May Cry, which doesn't even make sense since they're structured almost identically. Meanwhile DMC is apparently the same genre as Dynasty Warriors when they're not even remotely alike.
And that's ignoring the fact that both Bayonetta games include multiple slashing weapons (Shuraba, Durga, Odette, Pillow Talk, Rakshasa, Chernobog, Salamandra, Balder's Holy Glaive) and the Devil May Cry games include multiple punching/"martial arts" weapons (Ifrit, Cerberus, Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Trish in DMC4). Do they suddenly change genres when you pick a different weapon/character?
Get it together anon, your shit's all retarded
>>319946834
>Cookieface
>After Devils Third.
>>319943551
I don't think so, maybe we'll get DMC5 and Bayo3 but franchises like Ninja Gaiden are never going to come back. The genre is essentially dead besides Arkham clones.
>>319954958
> see first trailer
Oh boy, I wonder how a shooter by the ninja gaiden guy will look like!
> it's just a fucking gears clone
>>319953024
Are you one of those newfags who complains about the term "character action game"?
Because if you were, that would certainly explain the name you got adorned right there.
It's not so much that action games are dying as it is that good games in general are dying.
>>319943483
>>319943651
>"spectacle fighter"
>"cuhrayzee games"
>"character action games"
>>319943472
>Action games
>niche
>>319946834
Cookieface has always been a hack.
His only good game is Ninja Gaiden Black, and that was a fluke.
>>319954290
Valkyrie Drive
>>319943314
Decent action games were a drop in the bucket to begin with, they were never particularly alive.
I suppose yes, since Capcom's action game offerings have been stringent of late and Sega is pulling out, ish, of game publishing. But that's still not saying much.
>>319943483
Hacknslash are just 3D brawlers (aka beat em up)with weapons
2D brawlers - games like Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, etc.
3D brawlers - games like Godhand, Anarchy Reigns, Dynasty/Samurai Warriors
Hacknslash - DMC, God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Bayo
The distinction between 3D brawlers and hacknslashes has gotten more vague since many brawlers now incorporate weapons, but i think generally this is used to make the distinction, though really the two are interchangeable to a point. Making this even more confusing, hacknslash is also used to refer to top-down action RPGs such as Diablo
>>319954958
>>319955114
Hey, it isn't that bad.
>>319955483
Also, people sometimes say that the distinction between 3D brawlers and hacknslashes is that the latter focus much more on violent and gory combat
>>319955265
read
>>319946436
Stay salty faggot.
>>319955493
So you agree it isn't good?
>>319955493
Oh hi cookie
can you explain why wall running had to be cut?
>>319955483
Most important is to note is that the label doesn't particularly matter, it's the quality that's the big deal.
>>319955483
This, just call them all beat-em-ups and be done with it.
>>319955274
Unless you're being intentionally thick it's obvious that people are talking about specifically the DMC style of action game.
Which were always niche, outside of stuff like God of War which barely fits in the same genre. DMC was decently big when it first came out, but most games of this type sell pretty poorly and don't appeal to the average person.
It's not so much that they're dying but before there were just a TON of average to bad action games. Look through the PS2s library and you'll find plenty that fit that description.
If anything we're better off now since for the most part the general quality of action games that do get released is pretty good, there's just far less of the shitty titles.
>>319955756
streets of rage is a beat-em-up
>>319943314
Yeah and nah.
I mean, really, you think about Bayonetta's genre contemporaries, it's pretty much just Clover/Platinum/Kamiya works plus Ninja Gaiden and some indie titles.
It was never really particularly prolific and it was always playing as the more hardcore niche to the cinematic stylings of the Prince of Persia series and its more scripted, passive press-button-to-counter-kill combat which evolved into AssCreed and Arkham combat and pretty much all action games these days.
It only seems worse because games have gotten so expensive to develop that publishers are hesitant to put them out and on top of that, games take longer to make.
>>319943314
Didn't Her Story win best platformer or some shit?
>>319953024
The fact that you class Musou games with Ninja Gaiden means you should stop posting any time friendo.
>>319956194
I didn't know movies could be platformers
>>319955990
>>319955990
Yes, that's correct.
>>319947672
Yea nigga and between SF3 and SF4 were 10 fucking years
>>319956257
>>319956331
Agreed.
So to group Streets of Rage with God Hand, would be tantamount to retardation.
>>319956426
Football and Baseball are different. To group them as sports games would be tantamount to retardation.
That's how stupid you sound.
>>319954203
People who say things like this just prove they never played the game on the hardest difficulty and are just memespouting sheep
>>319956426
do you realize how few games implement what makes god hand engaging
its core combat is that of a beat-'em-up like streets of rage rendered in 3d, the customizable combos are just the icing on the cake
>>319943314
action implies gameplay. gameplay implies mechanics. mechanics imply skill. skill implies hardcore. but games are becoming more casual. so action games are indeed dying.
>No beat'em up will ever be as good as Streets of Rage 2/3/Remake
I don't understand why they all forget about grappling. Its all a mash fest now.
Thank the gods for Yakuza
>>319949356
Comparing Souls to DMC is like comparing Gran Turismo to F-Zero.
>>319955483
>Dynasty/Samurai Warriors
>3d brawlers
what
>>319949356
Because as good as the Souls games are, they are slow and sluggish and easy to grasp. You cannot even compare Souls games to the depth of Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, TW101, or God Hand
>>319949356
ARPGs don't count
I think the thing about Souls games is how easy it is to mess up, but how it's not the hardest to play perfectly at all.
They're slower, but fights tend to be drawn out, so you have to perform perfectly for a period of time, and it's easy to choke, even if you know a boss really well and have to restart, and because when you die you have to go back to a checkpoint and fight your way through an area again usually it sort of adds to the tension.
They're really simple games but it feels good to play and beat them.
>>319957894
>DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Bayonetta, TW101 are not easy to grasp
what the fuck
one of them is literally a game aimed at the children to young teenager market
>>319958191
Literally Monster Hunter for babies.
The funniest part is that in Japan, kids play Monster Hunter.Seriously, why are Asians so good at video games? Literally any game ,sans maybe FPS, with any sort of competitive scene or high end clutch shit has Asians at the fucking top of the game.
>>319958227
>He thinks TW101 is easy to grasp
>The game literally got panned by critics because it was too hard
>>319958532
I love Monster Hunter and Souls games but they are nothing alike
Also its retarded to say its basically another game considering the west doesn't have access to recent MH games on consoles or PC so its not like they could just play it instead
Is the DMC-Like fanbase the most obnoxious and self fellating fanbase in video games?
>>319958767
>critics
>the same people who call souls games hard
wow, you really got me there
Children have never beaten The Wondrous 101 or Devil may Cry. I'm sure the main demographic for DMC3 were 26 year olds who were playing on their PS2 10 years ago
>>319959139
No, that's SMT
>>319959154
wonderful*
>>319957057
Yakuza combat is just about passable considering how much of it you do.
>>319959139
The anti-fanbase fanbase is the most annoying desu senpai
>>319959220
I think, in general, the fanbases of the more 'hardcore' franchises are the most obnoxious.
>>319959154
Of course no kids have beaten TW101 because none of them own it. Or a Wii U for that matter.
>>319955120
Never heard that term until 2 plus 2 Chan made it up.
>>319954909
Bayonetta and DMC are literally the same game by the same guy. They have similar elements. But bayos main fighting is sexy martial arts while donte is using his edgemeister blade. Just how Wonder Red is a puncher and Wonder Blue is a slasher. The fact that you can't beat both games by just shooting your gun also says that it's not a shoot em up, even though you can shoot them up.
Also MGRising is literally another Kamiya game like Transformers which is a beat me up. It doesn't help your argument that all these games are all by the same people.
>>319956216
>responding to a tripfag.
Wiiw lad.
Those games are entirely reliant on bladed weapons and hacking and slashing enemies, just like golden axe.
You mongs just take the classifications too seriously. It's like shmups. They are all action games, they're all shoot em ups, but there are horizontal scrollers, vertical scrollers, forward scrollers, and 3D scrollers.
>>319958532
Most of Japan is actually mad casual, I remember reading that Japan complained that the FFXV demo was too hard.
That being said, the ones that aren't casual are damn good at what they do.
>>319958532
Monster Hunter is full of monsters with enormous openings, telegraphed attacks and over inflated health bars. It was never a challenging series.
>>319959948
Japan has literally only two kinds of players.
1. People who play in their 5 minutes daily free time
2. NEETs who play all day every day
There's no middle ground. Although some people have managed to pander to both demographics in the one game. Monster Hunter is an example. Incredibly casual;y, but also with depth that will appeal to people who really get into their games. You can play Monster Hunter for 30 minutes on the train to work, or you can play it for 5 hours straight in your darkened bedroom.
Hard =/= Good
I play games that are fun, not to inflate my e-penis. Some of the games I find fun are pretty tough, some of them are very easy.
A challenging game has to also be well designed.
>>319956620
We can go even more vague! Even more broad! Football and Baseball are both entertainment! Watching tv and cooking is the same as playing football!
You're a moron.
>>319960496
Go back to Reddit with your pussy blog post.
has of the games people call RPGs (dragon's dogma, demon's souls) are action games. So no
>>319952281
He made fun of the dice segment of DMC4.I can understand him, but that answers your question.
>>319961136
Go back to Reddit with your obsession over looking cool on the internet. Nobody cares if you're good at a hard game.
>>319961202
Could you try that again in English?
>>319960935
>Cooking is entertainment
You're the only moron here.
>>319961259
>I'm a casual and proud!
Yeah, naah. Fuck off.
>>319953024
>he doesn't main gauntlets whenever they're available
>>319955152
It's sad, but you speak with the truth.
>>319961443
See, you're working on the assumption that I actually care about my 1337 gamer cred.
>>319953024
>beat my meat up
You cheeky bastard
>>319959398
This to be honest, my family.
Is this game any good, /v/?inb4 memers respond by saying >weebshit
I like:
>stylish attacks, with ranged and melee options
>fun movement options like wall-running, power slides, flying leaps
>executing stylish attacks in the middle of the fun movement
>cute lesbians
Would love a game that somehow incorporates all this shit.
for all you cuhrayzee fans out there, there is hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrSAydJm4SY&feature=youtu.be&t=21m1s
>>319962014
>weebshit tit game
It's not bad, but it isn't Ninja Gaiden, know what I mean? Clearly fan service is its aim.
>>319962014
You could go trigger /cgg/s autism by asking them.
>>319960496
They are only "hard" depending on your skill.
If you like casual games, it's fine; but games with depth and a lot of replayability which allow you to get better and better at it, can also be very apealling to some.
>>319953021
>licensed trash
No thanks.
>>319961271
>cooking isn't entertainment
I feel sorry for you anon. Cooking is fun as fuck.
>Action games are slowly morphing into Action-RPG's by incorporating more and more RPG elements
>RPG games are slowly morphing into Action RPG's by shedding RPG features and leaning more towards action orientated gameplay
Eventually both genres will probably permanently disappear and Action-RPG will be a staple genre.
>>319962125
There are many games out there which aren't Ninja Gaiden. I don't even care that much about skimpy outfits or fanservice, but I'm craving for a new game.
>>319962170I am in this thread instead of there for a reason, senpai.
>>319962202
I'm not saying you shouldn't like hard games, I'm just saying that people who go around bragging about being good at hard games are idiots.
>>319961265
has = half.
>>319962115
I just need DMC5 to continue building upon 4. I don't need much to make it my ideal game, just give Dante and Nero some more weapons, flesh out Trish and Lady and put Trick down back to its normal place and I'll be sold.
>>319962443
Yeah. People who go around bragging about how far they can throw a ball are cool though.
>>319962443
Then you're free to ignore them.
I fucking love DMC3 and 4, and I am far from being as good as the guys who do combo videos, but I still enjoy the games.
>>319943983
>no dmc4:SE
why
>>319962718
As someone who owns it on PC, it's only worth it if you've never played 4 before.
>>319962395
Have you tried shadow warrior? Bretty good on ps4.
>>319962894
Nice, I'll check it.
>>319962841
4 did not have Vergil in it, cmon now anon
>>319963065
Vergil, while fun to play, doesn't really add enough to make it worth buying through the whole game again. I prefer his DMC3 style anyway.
>>319959831
>>319962670
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
>>319963205
I guess it's personal preference after all
>>319943483
Remember when Diablo 1 came out almost 10 years before Devil May Cry 3 and was always called a Hack N' Slash before retard consolebabbies tried to steal the name?
>>319963065
I have to admit, I think they improved up Vergil a lot in 4SE, I don't enjoy him in 3 as much anymore due to how limited he is in comparison.
>>319963685
not that anon but as much as I like all the new moves and options, I found JC'ing with him in 4 to be almost impossible compared to 3.
>>319963065
I liked 4SE a lot.
It feels like a party having so many different characters to play as.
I can understand why someone would say that the SE isn't worth it. But at least for me it was a worthy purchase just for getting a bit more of DMC and finally be able to play as Lady and Trish (in a good game).
>>319953478
And your point is? Still a niche genre.
>>319964017
>finally be able to play as Lady and Trish (in a good game).
Speaking of Trish, is it worth going back to DMC2 to try and unlock her? Doe she make the game fun?
>>319948909
The average gamer's expectation of cutting edge graphics is slowly killing the industry.
>>319964412
>is it worth going back to DMC2 to try and unlock her?
No.
>Doe she make the game fun?
Hell no.
>>319953643
Joke post? Dark Souls is not even the same genre.
>>319964412
just use a cheat code
she's more fun to play as than Dante but not as fun as Lucia
>>319943314
Nah just niche si they'll get decent to good quality releases sporadically cause of it
>>319962115
Oh Langdon, you're so crazy. I love seeing how much passion he has for the series, gives me hope.
>>319962279
>>319961271
Nothing feels better than being able to EAT your accomplishments.
Everyone talks about how combat depth in DMC4 is a step up from 3, because of Dante having all of his styles available at all times, and more weapons on him at once to switch between, so you have way more options and you're a lot more versatile, but I feel like none of that matters at all when most of the styles have been watered down, and all of his new weapons are worse than his old weapons.
Not to mention that the whole deal is that Dante has his whole arsenal with him 100% of the time, but the trade-off is that his "whole arsenal" is smaller than it was in 3.
I think 4 might be a worse game than 3 in literally every individual way, not just overall.
>>319961593
If you didn't you wouldn't have made such a salty post about non-casuals out of nowhere.
>>319965421
agreed
gauntlets suck compared to ifrit and beowulf
lucifer is neat
rebellion sucks huge ass
rolls are slow as fuck
gunslinger and trickster nerfed to hilarious levels
i also hate how you have to buy skill levels in 4, rather than practicing the styles and earning skills that way like in 3. that method gave you freedom rather than "you have to be good at all styles to be half decent with dante" in 4.
>>319962443
No one in the thread was bragging.
People who brag in general are shit. Just like how you are bragging about how great it is to be a casual.
Kinda. The only developer making them nowadays is Platinum, and while I like them, I always preferred oatmeal's Ninja Gaiden style of games that are now extinct.
>>319965421
I can't get behind how much slower Dante in 4 is to 3's at least to me.
>>319955303
Nah, NG2 was great and only brought down by a shit chapter and rushed development. Best combat.
>>319943314
I want to be a hot as fuck, confident woman like Bayonetta, kidnap a bunch of hot as fuck, hung like a horse, uncut white men, and make them cum all over me.
>>319954073
>Spear-users
>>319966286
>white men
>hung like a horse
Here's a fun dact, Langdon did the mo-cap for Donte in Playstation All-Stars because one of the guys on the project wanted the original Dante in to begin with.
Fuck, No more Devil May Cry for now.., no more Ninja Gaiden, fucking loved it and Bayonetta is on funding watch by Nintendo or some other company. Damn let me just re plat Bayo 2
>>319953180
you can find shittier fanart of any game you gay nigger
>>319966124
>oatmeal's
wat
>>319943314
I want Bayonetta to sit on my face!
>>319953024
This is actually brilliant bait.
>>319958103
>action rpgs aren't action games
Explain.
>>319962115
>DMC reunion
>at a power rangers con
Am I missing something here?
>>319968840
Not him but it's not that they're not action games necessarily, it's just that a lot of the time what you can do is level grind in an ARPG to get past specific hurdles and make quick work of bosses, there is skill involved sure, but you also have the added benefit of being able to over level, which makes the majority of RPGs and variants piss easy after a certain point.
>>319968840
In fairness, they are pretty different and distinct from pure action games.
>>319968840
Action RPG's rely on boosting your attack on stats on the enemy to make them easier to kill, Like Pure Action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden and Bayo make you use your skill as a player to dispatch enemies.
>>319944192
>racing was huge back in the day
lel no
it's always been niche
>>319970938
Yeah it was so niche that like every platformer was getting a kart racer spinoff in the 90s/early 00s
>>319970410
Precisely.
People don't like purely skill-based games
>>319971128
God I miss those days.
I should play that btw, always wanted to
>>319971128
Didn't a Mortal Kombat game from around then have a fucking kart racer mode too?
>>319970938
>need for speed
>burnout
>mario kart
>beetle adventure racing
>niche
>>319943314
Yeah Bayonetta 2 contributed with its fucking garbage mechanics and RNG
>>319971742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQAxiAQox8s
>>319943785
Racing isnt niche if not the total opposite
>>319972370
>Project Gotham Racing
>Midnight Club
>like all those SEGA arcade racing games from the 90s
>Mickey Mouse Speedway
>Gran Turismo
Yeah, so 'niche'
>>319972705
>Diddy Kong Racing
>That one Mega Man kart racer
>>319972705
>pole position
>one grand prix
>excite bike
pretty niche :^)
So for Bayonetta 2 do the different characters you unlock actually feel different or are they just reskins of Bayo? What I like a lot about DMC is that every characters has an individual style of play that makes the character really distinct and it feels like you're almost playing a different game. I've only played a bit of Bayo1 and as far as I'm aware Jeanne plays exactly like Bayo does. Could anyone give me a bit of insight?
>>319973236
The ones you can use in the campaign, Jeanne and whatserface, are reskins.
The two you can use in the optional multiplayer mode, Balder and Rodin, have completely different playstyles and are fucking fantastic.
>>319973236
Bayo is bayo obviously.
Jeanne does more wicked weave damage, but also takes more damage and doesn't witch time through dodging alone.
Rosa has Bayonetta 1's moveset, guns only, gives and takes triple damage, gets the armor instead of Umbran Climax.
Rodin has an entirely different moveset. Is slow and makes barriers instead of dodging.
Balder is mostly ranged attacks.
>>319973894
Why would they keep them to multi only? That's disappointing, but it's probably not worth complaining about.
>>319973236
>tfw no Lumen Sage and Rodin DLC single-player chapters ever
YOU HAD ONE JOB PLATINUM
>>319974035
Story mode changes your model in cutscenes too, probably didn't want to show them acting like women.
>>319974113
But that would have beenfun
>>319974035
The multi is surprisingly good, at least.
>>319974172
I know anon but oh well. Maybe Bayo 3.
>>319974073
Platinum would rather release a complete game and be done with it, they mostly work via contract and don't get the budget to work on DLC.
>>319974363
It was still a missed opportunity as far as I'm concerned.
You can't even properly practice with Balder or Rodin.
>>319963906
Why so?
>>319974213
>The multi is surprisingly good, at least.
>That one card that has you fighting Balder and Rosa at once
>higher difficulties add in Bayonetta as well
Fuck, that was a good one
>>319968972
the voice of vergil was in powe rangers time force
>>319974363
Yeah, but I wish you could actually screw around with them outside of multi.
>>319974847
And Johnny Yong Bosch was the second Black Ranger iirc
I love the 'link' between PR and DMC like that, it's really cool. I hope they get more former PR actors to play DMC characters again.
Also makes me lament that Langdon was never a Power Ranger. It would make SO much sense.
>>319965832
Grinding for JC is an absolute crime and i pray to fucking christ they remove the soul shit in DMC5.
>>319974971
He was a stuntman for many many power rangers.
