actual censorship
>OoT removal of Muslim chants and signs on the Mirror Shield and the Temple of Fire
what /v/ thinks censorship is
>removing an ass slap scene while keeping Chun Li's sideboob, gratuitous camera zooms and angles and most of Poison's attacks
>basicly keeping 99.9% of the fanservice
>but muh rights to have sexy ladies in videogames
fanservice is just a cheap way to make something sexy, sexyness can be achieved without having to resort to fanservice
>but they did it to appeal to a wider audience! wich means they censored it!
if this was true, then Capcom devs are retards, since they have characters like Poison whose attacks are mostly sexual, without mentioning the loads of fanservice already in the game, it's done to make it more appealing to other people besides you wizards
you can have sexy women and sex appeal in vidya anons, you don't need to have them borderline naked to achieve this
don't complain about games like Neptunia or any weeb game being successful only because they resort to fanservice to improve sales if you are going to cry once that fanservice is gone
start complaining about important stuff in games like
>gameplay
Neither are censorship because it's not by the government. :^)
Remove any sexual gratification at all, and you piss these people off to the limit of their wits.
>>319920210
>Its only censorship when I want it to be!
Its the little things that make a game, so when little things get censored it makes it more frustrating. I get that people will just say, "its just a small change, it does not matter" well if it is a small thing, why change it?
>>319920976
it's up to the devs to decide what to change,
>play SFV
>pick Mika
>no ass slap scene
>frustration levels raise up to 10
>throw controller at screen
>SJW's won
>hang yourself
if it doesn't affect gameplay and the change is little, then i don't care
>it's only censorship when i want it to be
ok then, so they remove the Mika scene and they keep all the 100 other lewd things about the game, care to explain that?
>>319920976
Because those same small things can bring something up and over the top and make it look like shallow pandering to teenagers. It shows that they have some form of pride, or what's more likely, they do it so they can sell more copies of the game.
Dev's changing their mind about something isn't Censorship. It would be censorship if Sony had come in and told them to change it.
The real reason is that they wanted the game to be rated T and were worried that the ass slap might push it over the edge.
Wow, how autistic do you have to be to think that you can change any opinion on /v/ from a thread like this?
Just shut up and sit back and let everything fester as it was meant to. Resistance is futile.
>>319920210
OP, here's a tip.
Go and look up the actual definitions of the words you pretend to understand.
>Censorship blocks something from being read, heard, or seen.
>To "censor" is to review something and to choose to remove or hide parts of it that are considered unacceptable. Censorship is the name for the process or idea of keeping things like obscene word or graphic images from an audience. There is also such a thing as self-censorship, which is when you refrain from saying certain things — or possibly re-wording them — depending on who is listening.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/censorship
It was not an artistic change to hide the buttslap with seperate camera-angles, but to hide it since they considered it too graphical for a wider audience.
This was their own words they made in their press statement, which I hope you're aware of?
Just because they were selective with their censorship doesn't change the fact that it was indeed censorship.
So please refrain from making an even bigger ass of yourself and shitting up this board with your ignorance.
It helps to actually understand the words using using, ESPECIALLY when you're trying to correct people like you attempted to do.
tl;dr You're wrong, ignorant and made an ass o yourself.
I'm gonna play r mika to piss you guys off
>>319920210
The difference is:
>censoring muslim references
>you prevent children from becoming lunatic killers
>censoring ass slap
>you remove some fap material
OoT's removal of chants is actually less significant
more crapcum shilling today op?
for how many companies you work?
>>319922490
>artistic choice to appeal to a wider audience besides perverts and wizards
let me give you a list of reasons of why they could've done it
>the ass slap was too over the top
>out of character for R. Mika
>the devs just didn't like the animation
but you choose the one that
but nah, let's just call it censorship and blame it on the SJWs because that's the only thing /v/ seems to do nowadays :^)
>>319922895
as unsignificant as it was, it's still censorship, i coudn't give two fucks but it is what it is
>>319920210
>it's not censorship because I say so
>>319922779
>>censoring muslim references
>>you prevent children from becoming lunatic killers
You retarded?
>>319920210
Censorship only matters when it affects my ability to see digital boobs.
>people trying to be technical about what counts as censorship and what doesn't
This is getting retarded, this all boils down to the fact that we don't like sexual content being edited or removed, especially if it was meant to be in the game in the first place. And no we're not going to be satisfied with just porn on the internet. Nuff said
>>319923325
Alah a shit. Fuck off muslim murderer.
>>319923218
>not coming with a counter argument
it's easier when you don't even try
>>319920210
>Poison
why would they censor a dude? "muh sexual liberation etc."
>Chun-li
now that I can't really understand my only thing is "muh strongest woman in the world" and that she is a legacy character
I dunno...I have a feeling by SF6 all the chicks will be wearing burqas or some shit
>1st they came for my R.mika
I didn't do anything
>then they came for Chun-li, Cammy etc.
I did nothing
>now the entire female cast has been removed
This is the future you chose
No DOAX3, MKX character designs massively overhauled,Elizabeth design overhaul etc.
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
history repeats and it's only going to get worse from here
>>319923458
>using a chant because they liked how it sounded but didn't know what it meant
>waah muh cencorship
>>319923458
You think having Muslim references in a game is going to turn kids into Muslims? Most kids won't even make the connection.
I'm not even Muslim, just trying to understand your bizarre thought process.
>>319920210
I remember this OoT shit happening in like 1999. From what I remember, only the first edition shipments of OoT had the chants/Ganon's blood at the end was red. In the newer cartridges they removed the chants from the music and the blood was green.
Why are you bringing this shit up now? Isn't there a better example?
It's ALL censorship and it's ALL bad. Stop trying to shill so hard, faggot.
>>319923553
>le slippery slope argument
This holds no water. Nice scenario you dreamed up though
>>319923836
Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere.
>>319923705I'm just impersonating the censor's thought process.
>>319923134
Ono made a statement where they gave their exact reasons as to why they hid things like the butt slap.
>“We decided to remove [R. Mika’s butt slap] because we want the biggest possible number of people to play, and we don’t want to have something in the game that might make someone uncomfortable.”
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/09/street-fighter-v-producer-explains-why-some-of-its-cinematics-were-changed/
Which falls precisely into what censorship is.
But by all means stick to your stubborn denial. You not learning from your mistakes is not my problem. So keep on making the same mistakes. Keep being ignorant. I'm sure it will greatly benefit you.
>>319923836
Yeah, if you find out that you have a cancerous lump just ignore it, it will go away.
The funny thing is, the R. Mika butt slap isn't even censorship, because the SF team removed it of their own volition, without being prompted by outside forces, and the game isn't even close to being done.
>OoT removal of Muslim chants and signs on the Mirror Shield and the Temple of Fire
Actually not censorship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U34MFcJdGCo
>>319924132
>the game isn't even close to being done.
It comes out in less than 2 months idiot.
>Devs shouldn't be allowed to change things about their own game
how is that not censorship?
>>319923836
>This holds no water.
How doesn't it? Their entire goal is to try and appeal to as many people as possible. If all of their current changes towards this go over well, what is to stop them from pushing this even further?
Is the office one of the best tv shows ever made? I think it is
>>319924095
read
>>319924132
besides your argument is retarded, imagine a family or a group of friends, or even kids playing SFV and that scene comes up, instant akward
hope one day they make games for wizards like you anon
>>319924264
see >>319924095 and >>319922490
It was not an artistic change. It was self-censorship to hide things they deemed inappropriate for the masses.
Why is it so hard to actually look up the definition of a word?
>>319923836
Except it's been happening. We're still slipping and there's no sign of it getting better. It's only a fallacy if it's not actually happening, which is fucking is.
>>319924250
So then it's not out yet? So thanks for proving my point.
>>319924264
Because /v/ is the exact same thing as SJWs. /v/ cries and bitches the second anybody stops pandering to them regardless of the reason.
>>319920210
Both those are examples of censorship
>>319923134
If you asked people, a majority would like the muslim references removed
If you asked people, a majority would like the ass stuff in
So it's not censorship, it's democracy.
Source: I'm very high IQ
>>319920210
They are both censorship. Regardless of whether or not you think one is more important.
>>319924132
Read >>319922490
That falls under self-censorship.
>>319920210
(You)
>>319924487
>We decided
ok, now actually address my point.
Op your argument is so pathetically Reddit I will make a better, easier to understand version for you
>removing parts of the game people enjoy to appease the people who don't play the games
>tips hat of the beta
>>319920210
>muh allah
>muh halal
>muh nintendo
>>319924487
>It was not an artistic change. It was self-censorship
That's literally exactly the same thing.
Further, "self censorship" is a retarded phrase anyway because it has basically no meaning.
They decided to have all the characters wearing clothes instead of going naked, is that self censorship?
Though I haven't seen the design documents, I'm positive they had several character concepts that they decided not to put into the game at all because they were too risque or otherwise disturbing. Is THAT self censorship?
>>319920210
>but muh rights to have sexy ladies in video games
That's not the issue here. The issue is the game developer having the right to release their game as they want it, without SJW interference.
You are pro-censorship and your rhetoric is flawed as it hinges entirely on your own personal definition of censorship.
>>319924789
If the game was called Naked Fighter, and they chose to add clothes to appeal to a wider audience.
False.
Any content removed for fear of offending people is censorship.
>>319920210
If removal of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, ruins your game experience enough to where you don't want to play the game: don't buy it.
If removing stuff it sucks, but not enough to stop you from playing the game: the devs putting it back in wouldn't net them any sales, so they have no reason to do so.
If they take out pantsu and add LGBTPOC-owlkins and it ruins your hype for the game, by all means don't buy it.
If you are offended by white 30-something grizzled space marine main characters, and seeing one ruins your hype for a game, by all means don't buy it.
>>319924450
see >>319924487
You claim that self-censorship either doesn't exist or doesn't apply here (for some deranged reason) when it fits perectly.
>besides your argument is retarded, imagine a family or a group of friends, or even kids playing SFV and that scene comes up, instant akward
I'm not sure if you're serious here.
Is the argument you just presented and example of a "non-retarded" example? That when you and your family all sit around the TV playing SF5 together the butt slap of all things is awkward but not Cammy, Mika and all the others scantily clad women? Women we still see suggestive shots of, them attacking with their butts and more?
The game is just as "awkward" as it was before, if we're going that route.
Your argument, if anything, is the perfect example of retardation. I'm assuming this wasn't your intent but a massive fuckup which stemmed from your limited intelligence.
>>319924789
It's not censorship because they presented the audience with clothed characters from the get-go.
Meanwhile they show Mika's buttslap in the reveal trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDSvRMc9rQ
and then they backpedal on their decision as if out of fear that people might lash out at Capcom, which is basically false advertising because you're getting less fanservice than you bargained for..
>>319924912
>can't boycott censored games
>game is coming out
>no plans for sexyladies
>put some in the early alpha trailers
>remove them later
>get both the SJW bucks and the "SJW's are evil but we can't boycott censored-sexylady games that SJWs got changed while in production!"
>money money money money rocking everywhere
If it sucks on release, don't buy it. Doesn't matter what they had in prerelease trailers.
>>319924123
>Making a lewd character slightly less lewd is comparable to a cancerous tumor.
This is a horrible analogy and is pretty insulting to be honest
>>319925507
>fallacy of relative privation
Did NeoFag make this thread? Sage and eat shit OP.
>/v/ hates SJWs because they insist that games meet their own limited artistic ideals
>Capcom changes a game
>/v/ hates it because the game no longer meets their own limited artistic ideals
>>319925481
>le conspiracy theory!
>I know these things muh dad works at Nintendo!
>>319924518
>>319924345
It's a logical fallacy. You're just making things up that COULD happen, it isn't based on any sort of fact
>>319925749
You are dumb as fuck.
>>319925770
Point is, if you get hyped up for <feature> or <art style> before a game is released, and they remove it, you have to re-evaluate if you are still hyped for it. If you don't reevaluate, then devs can just show a bunch of shit prerelease and hope you get hyped, then release whatever because you won't un-hype upon finding the stuff you like has been removed.
>>319925749
>/v/ hates SJWs because they insist that games meet their own limited artistic ideals
>Capcom changes a game TO PLACATE SJWs
>/v/ hates it because the game no longer meets CAPCOM'S artistic ideals
fixed that for you.
It's not about what SJWs want, and it's not about what /v/ wants, it's about what Capcom wants. If they want sexy girls in their game they shouldn't be removing sexy girls due to outside influences.
>>319924679
There is nothing to further adress. If you think there is then by all means specify.
>>319924789
>That's literally exactly the same thing.
You're saying an artistic change is *exactly* the same as censorship? Am I understanding you correctly?
>Further, "self censorship" is a retarded phrase anyway because it has basically no meaning.
I literally just posted a direct link to the definition where seld-censorship was mentioned and given a definition. Just because you're illiterate, blind or selectively picks out the stuff you want to read doesn't change this fact.
But no you're right, if it has no meaning then you anon, you're correct. As always. You're never wrong.
But it's clear I'm not talking (I won't say discuss, because that's not what is happening here from your side) to a sensible person. I'm talking to someone that simply wants to prove others wrong, while never wanting to admit to being wrong himself. Stubbornly refusing to admit that, he of all people, could possibly be wrong about anything.
So what's the point in continuing this juvenile charade?
I sometimes wish I could hold proper discussions with sensible and mature people, but it's clear /v/ is not the place for that as you clearly demonstrated. Oh well.
>>319925818
>just gave you a reason that it would happen
i don't even agree with censorshipfags but jesus christ you're fucking stupid
>>319926149
>TO PLACATE SJWs
I keep hearing this, but in the case of the R.Mika butt slap specifically, I don't see any proof of that.
A lot of people seem to think that the fact that it was risque content that was removed is proof all by itself, but that's not necessarily true.
>/v/ cares more about virtual titties than actual gameplay
If you faggots actually cared this much about real issues the world would be a better place that probably wouldn't have to censor a butt slap
>>319924345
What's to stop Capcom from making all female characters wear a hijab?
What's to stop America from bombing western europe?
What's to stop your mom from slaying my dick every night?
by your logic those are all equally possible scenarios
>>319920210
>Fire Temple
>Temple of Fire
It's like you wanna get beaten up over the internet
>>319925818
>You're just making things up that COULD happen, it isn't based on any sort of fact
We already know that companies love doing when they attempt to appeal to a broader audience. How ? We have seen uncountable numbers of games and franchises that have suffered from it.
So this theory is backed up by a lot of solid evidence, making it a very probable outcome.
After all, they made it clear they want to appeal to a broader audience, so why would they stop at this?
Meanwhile you on the other hand come with nothing to back it up with. You simply say "you can't know for sure!" which is frankly irrelevant.
The way to stop this from happening is by making your voice heard BEFORE it happens. Meaning now is the perfect time.
Or are you saying people should wait until we get another Dead Space 3 or something?
>>319926157
Way to cherry-pick the argument.
I'm saying SELF CENSORSHIP is the same as artistic change, because both are changes made, for whatever reason, by the artistic creators of their own volition. The only difference between the two, in this instance, is one is a change you like or don't care about, and the other is a change you don't like.
And I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest of your post, because you can't be bothered to actually argue against my statement, you just like setting up strawmen.
>>319926469
Capcom outright said that they "wanted to appeal to a broader audience," which means they removed it to appeal to SJWs, as they are the only people who would have been happy about the removal of this content.
It's not rocket science, it's deductive reasoning.
>>319926149
>It's not about what SJWs want, and it's not about what /v/ wants, it's about what customers want. If customers want sexy girls in their game Capcom shouldn't be removing sexy girls due to non-customer complaints.
I fix your stuff.
I don't give a fuck what Capcom wants. Capcom doesn't give a fuck what Capcom wants. Capcom gives a fuck about what they think will sell them the most copies. They think this will sell them the most copies. If it does, then Capcom wanted to do it and made the right choice. If it doesn't, then Capcom thought it wanted to do it but made the wrong choice.
>>319924345
That's some MASSIVE slippery slope fallacy you've got going on there bro. You might want to reign it in a bit.
>>319926879
>[SJWs] are the only people who would have been happy about the removal of this content.
Really? Literally nobody else would be happy about that removal? Literally nobody else at all?
>>319926894
>If it doesn't, then Capcom thought it wanted to do it but made the wrong choice.
If SFV doesn't sell well what's to stop them from thinking that they didn't censor their game enough?
>>319926469
>but that's not necessarily true
are you retarded? capcom itself said it was because they didn't want people to get "offended". The only thing the trolls are right about is that as usual /v/ is lashing against the sjw boogyman when it's obvious Crapcom was scared of getting a higher rating and thus selling less. The game is packed full of fanservice, hell Mika itself is basically a giant fanservice lady, they aren't suddenly pandering to feminists, they are pandering to the fuckfaces at the rating office that could give them a higher age restriction because of a stupid buttslap. If you want a culprit right wing prudes adn soccer moms are just as guilty of this situation but /v/ likes to scream "librullibrulslibruls" at every opportunity.
>>319920210
no one gives a fuck about some mudslime chants, I'm glad they removed it
>>319927183
For realzies.
>this is what /v/ considers the holy grail of video games
don't complain when any below average weeb game takes the spotlight on steam purely based on fanservice, or when games like FNAF or Undertale take the spotlight for achieving popularity without having to resort to fanservice
i can fap hundreds of times to things like pic related, but i will never pay or even waste my time pirating a game like this
>>319927373
That's the wrong game, anon.
That's DOA Extreme. We're talking about SFV.
Keep your games straight.
>>319927261
Market research? Polling owners of previous SF titles and asking them why they didn't get SFV? If it does sell well, whats to stop them from thinking censorship was a good idea, and they should censor more?
>giving a shit about stupid internet psuedopolitics
>not having literally anything better to do
>>319927478
this is the pic related
>>319927610
>DOA
>Holy grail
Nigga what, it's barely even a competent fighting game, much less an example of a good one. It's only popular because of the tits
>>319925818
Re-read my post, faggot. It's been happening and it's going to keep happening. This is not "just now", this is the slope getting deeper. We started going down quite a while ago.
>>319926829
>I'm saying SELF CENSORSHIP is the same as artistic change
Which is objectivelly wrong.
It's like you don't even understand what you're actually saying.
You're saying self-censorship is synonymous with artistic change. That they're interchangeable.
That if I drew a portrait of a man, then made his hair slightly longer, it is in fact self-censorship, even though nothing was hidden or blocked out.
Ono flat out stated that it wasn't an artistic change, but they did it to try and appeal to a broader audience. That they deemed the butt-slap offensive to the audience and hid it with a different set of camera movement. This is precisely what censorship is. You hide or block something you deem unnacceptable for your audience to see.
Here, I'll link you once again to the definition. I advice you to read it and educate yourself if you want to grow as a person and not be labeled as ignorant:
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/censorship
But we both know you will have learned nothing from this exchange. You will still firmly believe that self-censorship doesn't really exist and doesn't have a definition. You will however contradict yourself by then saying that it does in fact have a definition and it is synonymous with artistic change.
But clearly that isn't a sign of incompetence. No no, you can't do stupid things or be wrong, after all.
Since you're clearly far too young and stupid I will not get any satisfying discussion out of you, so I see no point in wasting more of my time on you. So have fun staying ignorant, flauting it and shitposting away ad infinitum.
>>319927746
>only popular because of the tits
seems to be the only interest /v/ has
>>319926803
Capcom will pull a switcheroo and usher in a new wave of objectively lewd games with full nudity as a way to get back at SJWs, prove me wrong.
There I just used the same logical fallacy you did. it's impossible to prove a negative, and you're just theorizing a bunch of bullshit to push your beliefs
>>319926939
Explain to me how basic deductive reasoning doesn't make sense to you.
Is your advice also to plug our eyes and ears while waiting until we do actually get another Dead Space 3 or whatever? That consumers should not be vocal?
Mind explaining your reasoning for this?
>>319927885
No, /v/ is full of a bunch of opinionated shut ins that see the removal of 2 seconds of ass as an personal insult to them and a threat on their very freedom to be aroused by video games.
I damn sure DO NOT agree with the ass slap removal, but some people are acting like the next step after this is concentration camps for CIS white males. I'm just taking it in stride because IT'S NOT LIKE THE JAP VERSION WILL HAVE IT EITHER, and honestly who knows, Capcom just might put it back, it was only removed in the beta
Anyone else notice all the people saying over and over that it was 'their decision' and that 'no one was forcing them to make the changes' just sound like a bunch of mobsters intimidating witnesses?
I know we're in the age of total unawareness, but holy fuck.
>>319927774
>opinions
>opinions
>opinions
I don't care, I would say that games have been getting more lewd as time goes on. You're just fear-mongering for no reason
>>319920210
they didn't change it until pressure from the leftist lynch mob made them do it. it's censorship. sorry Ghazi, try again later.
also devs could spend more time focusing on improving gameplay if they constantly didn't have to worry about offending tumblr whales who won't even play their games and the smug pedantic manginas like you who defend them in the desperate hopes of actually getting some whale pussy
>>319920210
I don't think you understand what the definition of censorship is OP.
>>319928014
>Capcom will pull a switcheroo and usher in a new wave of objectively lewd games with full nudity as a way to get back at SJWs, prove me wrong.
Which you have 0 backing for, unlike what I had.
I used deductive reasoning based on facts we do have. What facts did you use for your reasoning?
Based on the facts we have my theory is by far more likely. It is so likely it is reason enough to be a bit worried. Worried enough to be more vocal about it.
You on the other hand don't want people to be vocal. You instead prefer to wait until the shit is up to your neck and you're literally drowning in it until you start to act.
>>319920210
>>OoT removal of Muslim chants and signs on the Mirror Shield and the Temple of Fire
It's too bad they took out the chanting because it made that track really eerie and great. Did they at least replace it with similar-sounding but meaningless chanting?
>>319928112
You're not using deductive reasoning, that has to include some sort of fact, you're just in your own mind with these theories that may or may not happen.
Also, this has nothing to do with dead space 3 I don't know why you keep bringing it up
>>319926842
The bottom five is correct.
>>319928626
>You're not using deductive reasoning, that has to include some sort of fact, you're just in your own mind with these theories that may or may not happen.
How is for example it not a fact that Ono himself flat out stated that they're aiming for a broader audience?
Haven't you been following my posts?
Or are you now claiming that Ono saying those things never happened since it's obviously not a fact? Or are you claiming that he's lying and not in fact aiming for a broader audience?
If we're going that route, that is your reasoning and backing for suggesting that he's lying?
By all means elaborate as much as possible instead of making these short "you're wrong!" replies.
>>319928503
you stated no facts, only opinions.
>We have seen uncountable numbers of games and franchises that have suffered from it
subjective, if you are so sure of this, list some games and some lost players/ sales figures directly related to removal of lewd content
>>319928906
every company is looking for a broader audience, it's kind of what businesses do buddy, I don't think he's lying in the slightest.
Your logic does not hold up and still falls under the slippery slope fallacy, you're using one point to try to say that the absolute extreme worst case scenario is likely
>>319928312
They were getting more lewd, yes. But then about three years ago devs and publishers started getting backlash for it, mostly aimed at games from the east.
The publishers who brought over these titles were very quick to react and make changes. NISA was practically at the forefront here Mugen Souls comes to mind, with the notorious bathing minigame that included some loli characters. That's how it started, by censoring shit that you know damn well would make some faggots outraged as fuck.
There was a ton of fan backlash here, and the game sold less for it. The LE for the original was in stock for more than a fucking year.
But they did the exact same shit when they released its sequel stateside. And go look for yourself, Mugen Souls Z's LE is STILL in stock, and it has nothing to do with that short relisting/reprinting for the holidays they did.
Senran Kagura had its ages removed. It's an acceptable compromise, but it was still censorship.
You know what else had ages removed? Dead or Alive Dimensions. At least the rest of the games went unedited.
Now we're seeing really small, harmless shit get censored. Costumes, breast sliders, butt slapping gestures, you fucking name it.
And we still have those major forms of censorship, too. Entire characters and questlines being changed in certain games, just because the localization team doesn't like it.
Anon, the slippery slope hasn't started. We've been on it for years now. Censoring small shit just means the problem is much worse than before.
After all, why censor something so small and harmless to begin with?
>>319928919
>you stated no facts, only opinions.
I have already posted backing ITT, do I need to repost them and repeat myself because you can't read?
For example:
ctrl+f brings up
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/09/street-fighter-v-producer-explains-why-some-of-its-cinematics-were-changed/
Here Ono states that "because we want the biggest possible number of people to play, and we don’t want to have something in the game that might make someone uncomfortable."
Which can be shortened to "we want to appeal to a broader audience".
Are you claiming that this is not a fact and not backing for my reasoning and theory?
>subjective
The only subjective part is what we view as "a lot" here. Or are you really claiming that games being dumbed down or whatever to try and appeal to "casuals" or a broader audience has never happened or is so rare it is basically not even worth bringing up? That people's fears are completely unfounded?
Am I understanding you correctly here?
I don't think you really comprehend what my point is. Which isn't surprising though since you don't even seem to properly read my posts (or you're just illiterate?). Do you want me to repeat myself yet again? I'm honestly starting to feel a bit like a parrot though, so I'd rather not. Please re-read my posts instead.
Now, mind giving me some backing for your reasoning? Surely you must have some after all that fanfare? Surely you couldn't have pulled it compeltely out of your ass in a feeble attempt to try and prove me wrong, did you?
>>319929175
>Your logic does not hold up
How doesn't it hold you when you yourself even admitted to it being correct.
This is getting downright silly. Like circus clown silly.
>>319920210
I bet you haven't heard of Blade and Soul then, right? I love it how you ignore it immediately whenever it's brought up and keep singing about that one case that's easier to debate.
>>319929814
Let me use your logic for a second here:
FACT: the US has bombed 24 countries in the last 70 years
What's to stop the US from bombing another 24 countries in the next 70 years? What's to stop America from bombing Canada?
Would you claim that the original fact is false? If you can't prove that then it's may very well be likely that that the US will bomb Canada at some point.
You can't use one fact to prove another, it's literally impossible and once you go beyond the first fact it's all theorizing and has no ground
>>319929814
>>319929921
Here, refreshed and didn't see any replies so I take it that you finally gave up and accepted that you were in error.
So I'll go play some games now, hopefully you learned something at least.
>>319930858
you're a fucking idiot, go take a debate class instead
>Parts of /v/ is full SJW and supporting this
What the fuck happened?
>>319920210
>>if this was true, then Capcom devs are retards
glad we solved the riddle
>>319930745
You are a liberal kek cock sucking subhuman.
Enjoy getting beheaded by muslims when they take over, retard, you literally deserve it.
Weak genes, weak brain.
>>319926489
>free speech is not a real world issue
>>319930990
SJWs have been targeting this site since last year. Before GG even started, I mean. Remember, their game is to co-opt communities.
>>319927513
>wanting boobies gone in one game is completely different from wanting butt slaps gone in another game
pick your battles better, mate. Both are clear cut instances of wanting sexually provocative imagery gone.
>>319931128
>can't refute argument
>childish name calling
nice
![1449013024851[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/79Xd0Ea.jpg "1449013024851[2].jpg")
The act of self-censoring just goes to show the SJWs are winning.
They don't want to have to keep telling people they're being "offensive," they want people to be inherently afraid and do it themselves.
>>319931198
SJWs BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>319920210
>What is censorship
>When something I deem important is removed
>What isn't cenorship
>When something I don't care about is removed
There saved you some time next time you wanna make this thread
>>319920210
>it's not censorship if sexual content is removed
Nice try faggot.
https://www.aclu.org/what-censorship
>>319920210
Ok so let me get this right
In the first example
>Nintendo removes fire chants even when there is no outcry (it was removed in a build that was finished before release)
>That's censorship
And in the second example
>A vocal minority on twitter is uncomfortable with sexualitity and they call for things they are uncomfortable with to be removed from the game
>Not censorship guys
>creators shouldnt be creating what THEY want, they should be doing what I want!
>but no im not censoring them im just telling them what they CANT have in their game
>its not censorship bro
>its "wider appeal"
>not censorship
>nope
cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/Submit
noun
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
This thread is worse than LOL threads and e celeb threads, get this shit outta here
>>319931426
>split second ass slap out of frame
>rest of the totally lewd mika stuff stays completely intact
>SJWS ARE RUINING EVERYTHING, THE SKY IS FALLING!
>>319931576
baby steps, lil nigga
>>319931576
>pretending to be retarded
You're just pretending, right, anon?
>>319931536
No anon, we have to convince the /v/ userbase to accept censorship. We won't leave until you swallow it whole.
>Censorship has been around forever, so it's okay
>It's mature and the grown up to just accept censorship and move on
>If you care about censorship then you're just a casual who doesn't play video games anyway
>People who want artist to follow their vision and freedom of speech are just as bad as people who want to censor games and only allow ones they deem okay to stick around
There are people who actually believe this.
>>319931198
>>319931631
slippery slope is a fallacy, my nigga
>>319931576
Yeah, just keep ignoring all the other instances of censorship that happened in the last months. It's not like it's part of a trend or anything.
>>319920210
The muslim chants were so ominous in the fire temple. As a kid, it made me think there were worshippers somewhere in the Fire temple, but you just never get to see them. Creeps me out just thinking about it.
Buuuut I realize now that there's no real implication behind it, the chanting was just to add atmosphere to the music.
What censorship is
>removing any content that the creator intended to be in because of moral, political or ethical reasons
>>319930745
Okay, I'll play your game.
Yes, there's a very real possibility that the US will bomb another 24 countries in the next 70 years. You've heard of the military industrial complex, right? It's a real thing, and we need to actively take steps against it. Too bad our politicians won't do shit. On the right they just want to make it bigger, while on the left they just want to keep it as is. Neither is shrinking that we fucking need. Reminder that Hillary is just as eager to go to war as any of the Republicans.
Generally you can use someone's history to predict what they might do in the future. We've had countless historical instances of slippery slope in action. If they're perfectly willing to censor shit yesterday, more than likely they're willing to censor shit tomorrow. That's why speaking up TODAY is important. It worked for the groups who got our shit censored to begin with, it'll work if we keep at it. Quit being a faggot and just filter the threads if it bothers you that much.
>>319931920
>decisions made by the company that owns the product to appeal to a wider audience is censorship
yeah just keep ignoring that these people just want to make more money and aren't a part of some political uprising
>>319931576
You guys are acting like this butt slap is a lone single example of the decade and not just another piece on top of a massive pile
>>319931536
This!
I don't even give a shit about your nerd boners, but a spade is a fucking spade!
>>319931909
No it's not. Slippery slope is a real thing, and it's been shown in the last years. It only becomes a fallacy when you misuse the concept.
>>319930745
It's quite fascinating. Now you resort to a red herring approach.
You're incapable to staying on topic, answering my questions or anything of the sort. Instead you prefered to use a red herring?
I'm assuming you got stumped but in your stubborn denial you had to come up with something, at least to get the last word in, so red herring it was.
Now can we go back to the discussion? Can you answer the multiture of questions I asked you? Heck, can you at least answer one of them for once? That seems to be quite impossible for you so far.
In any case, I have made my point quite clear. But I'll repeat myself a final time.
Based on several facts we have and on the history of several game companies (Capcom included) there is a precedent, a fear, that if left unchecked the series (and other Capcom titles) could be pushed further and further into dumbing it down and making it more politically correct.
This is not an unrealistic situation at all, which I'm sure you deep down (silently, since I don't expect a written admittance of this here) agree with.
So what would be the logical response to this? Naturally to make your voice heard. To nip the problem in the bud before it in theory could spiral out of control.
Because after all, what is the benefit to keeping silent and just hoping? None. It's better to make it clear what you like and dislike.
In my life I have learned it the hard way what silence and passivity can cost you and I learn from my mistakes. So therefore I act before it's too late.
If you think this is sacrilegious then by all means think so, but I won't stay silent ever again.
Sadly I expect a similar red herring or whatever reply, so I'll stick to my plan here >>319930858
A pity you in the end didn't grow a bit as a person.
>>319932114
Fuck off you brainwashed retard. You could literally defend any kind of censorship by saying this. No one is gonna buy the game because of a single animation removed, it's a retarded move.
>>319931426
>The act of self-censoring just goes to show the SJWs are winning.
They're winning because people that defend censorship and so on, like the people ITT, let it happen.
>>319931426
They're winning because it's a 2v1
There's SJW's who actively want censorship.
There's the Learned Helplessness or "mature" people who just eat it up anyway even if they don't like censorship
and then there's the people actively going against cenorship
>>319923836
What is the Overton window?
>>319932313
That is not a red herring, I'm just using your backwards logic to show how it's not plausible to show a point with it, it's all head theory. How is my theory that US may bomb Canada any less plausible than Capcom going fully politically correct?
>which I'm sure you deep down (silently, since I don't expect a written admittance of this here) agree with
Get this shit out of here. You are so far up your own ass you can't even fathom that people have a different opinion than you.
for writing 331 words in that post you sure didn't say anything new
>>319923836
>People still use slippery slope without understanding it
What Slippery Slope is:
>GUYS (A) WILL LEAD TO (D)
What Slippery Slope ISNT:
>GUYS (A) WILL LEAD TO (B)
![DJT_Headshot_V2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8bDgQR9.jpg "DJT_Headshot_V2[1].jpg")
Follow Trump's example
Don't let political correctness cunts boss you around
>>319925082
Read it in his voice
>>319932723
>There's the Learned Helplessness or "mature" people who just eat it up anyway even if they don't like censorship
This. The apathetic majority is always the reason why SJWs can do things without strong opposition. They're a small minority, but people in the middle just can't be bothered, or they think they're too cool to care, so they just go along with whatever happens and things go to shit eventually.
This thread is riddled with SJW from Gamerghazi trying to infiltrate our ranks.
You're really easy to spot, you know.
Why don't you fuck off back to reddit or twitter to your safe-space instead before you get triggered?
>>319933325
sounds like you're calling for this to be an echo-chamber/safe-space just like the websites you mentioned
>censorship apologists
>>319933517
It's more like SJWs have no arguements and are constantly refuted into the ground. But then continue to spout the same shit over and over and just straight up shitpost
>>319933325
SRS/GamerGhazi and SJWs work through subversion. They have to try to change the culture to make people more accepting of censorship by samefagging all day long.
>>319924912
>We should boycott the victims of oppression?
>victims of oppression
is this a joke?
>caring about non-gameplay changes
we are turning into literally reddit
>>319928892
>First one
That's literally wrong though, especially in fighting games.
The entire reason why there's a "dead era" of fighting games is because the vast majority of gamers were too stupid to play anything but Street Fighter.
>Entertainment is not art
>Every creative media applies as entertainment.
>>319933706
Yeah thats the one thing I disagree with on there.
We shouldn't support companies that bow down to SJW demands.
>>319926502
Hijabs would not appeal to most worldwide audiences, it would be a poor business position.
Most western European countries have mutually supportive relationships with America, it would not be a wise geopolitical move
She's spoken for and probably lives in a different country
These are all clearly problematic and unlikely scenarios.
Video games being edited to avoid public outcry getting worse as it becomes more common isn't an unrealistic scenario
>>319933687
>The Boogeymen and Saucer People work through subversion. They have to try to change the culture to make people more accepting of censorship by samefagging all day long.
Fixed that for you
>>319933068
>How is my theory that US may bomb Canada any less plausible than Capcom going fully politically correct?
Because applicable examples of Capcom getting more homogenized due to "social issues" has been legitimately proven, while yours requires 50 extra years to have the same timespan?
>>319924789
>Further, "self censorship" is a retarded phrase anyway because it has basically no meaning.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/self-censorship
>>319934508
No you just broke it.
>>319934512
give them an inch, they'll take a mile. US is probably already planning on which missiles to level Toronto with.
Prove me wrong ;)
>>319926842
Most of these are reasonable/true, but I still object to the decisions made regarding sfv xcx and doax3
>>319920210
>it's not censorship if you censor something I arbitrarily define as stupid by using a lot of strawmen, guys :^)
Bravo, you gigantic faggot.
>>319934725
>70 years prediction = prediction based on stuff that's not even 7 months ago
Ahhhhhh.....
>>319935107
prove me wrong ;)
>>319935170
The burden of proof is on you since you have the more outrageous and vague statement.
This is basic debate.
>>319935381
"Capcom is going to go full SJW and politically correct" is quite an outrageous and vague statement too, yet I see nothing but opinions and conjecture, no proof
>>319924095
No it means they're self aware. Not everyone likes overly sexy pixels pandering to forever virgins, the audience is expanding. Poor dat
>>319935602
But it's a less outrageous and vague one.
Are you a child who thinks in absolutes?
>>319935606
Actually it's the opposite. SF2 was one of the best-selling games ever, SF5 is never gonna reach that level so the audience will be smaller. Changing a single animation (it's retarded to think a fucking slap is only there to pander to virgins) won't expand anything.
>>319935891
If you seriously think I believe that the US will bomb Canada you're missing the point. I'm using the same line of reasoning the slippery slope people are to point out how it's not a reasonable way to argue
>>319920210
Why change the chanting? Are the Japanese scared of the religion of peace or was it respect?
Because if it's the former that's terribly racist
>>319926842
>they created it: they have the right to edit it
>gameplay is the only thing that matters
entirely true
>>319924123
You know you're an idiot when you compare dumb fan service to cancer
>>319933687
We don't subvert things, we simply take it another step farther, having actually done research on the people behind the issue. Then all it takes is a little nudge.
>>319936070
>I'm using the same line of reasoning the slippery slope people are
Having an pseudo-intellectual dick craving for calling things fallacies as an actual argument is in itself a fallacy you idiot.
Now you have to prove it as a credible comparison.
>X game isn't released yet
>every first trailer/alpha/beta will represent what the final product will be like
>devs are never allowed to make any changes to their own game especially when it is an in-house decision
>thinking every country shares the same opinions on sexual and violent content in videogames
>MUH SJWs RUINING MUH FANSERVICE
>caring about pointless fanservice over gameplay at all
There. Every censorship ''threads' in a nutshell.
>inb4 bingofags
>inb4 le tumblr/SJW/reddit/neogaf boogymen
>>319933687
>SRS/GamerGhazi
So the boogeyman are a bunch of people who hang out on Reddit and make fun of Trump and Penny Arcade and sometimes argue about whether or not something is racist?
>>319920210
>nudity is sexual
s︂︂m︂h t︂︂︂bh f︂︂a︂m
>>319920210
I realize I'm gonna get flak for this, but I don't hold the OoT one against Nintendo. Muslims are fucking nuts and have been shown to actually carry out their threats of violence.
SJWs are ultimately harmless.
>>319933159
Well, if there are literally no steps between the buttslap and all the female characters wearing burkas or being removed or whatever then yeah, it is A to B.
But at that point it would be a humongous fucking leap.
>>319933217
Most gay cult ever.
>>319936746
It's always hilarious watching less than 200 (hell sometimes even 100) unique IPs complain about people coming from sites with over 2 million unique users in a day.
>>319936492
The thing is that their right to edit it doesn't sell copies, and doesn't make consumers lose the right to complain about it.
Which makes it a completely irrelevant point.
>Gameplay is the only thing that matters
>Every game can be vector graphics with no sound and I'll play them
I still don't get what the big deal with removing that animation is all about. Are y'all that sex and female attention deprived.
>>319937327
>from sites with over 2 million unique users in a day.
Like 4chan? You realize not every single 4chan user is posting in this thread right?
Also
>go back to tumblr/SJW/reddit/neogaf
>>319920210
>>319936492
>>319921349
>>319926489
>>319933779
Why not just remove all the graphics, art, sound, names and modes aside from vs. Just have every character be wireframe models with basic animation and that's it.
I mean none of it affects the gameplay so why not? Wireframes can't possibly offend anyone.
>>319937961
While it doesn't add anything to the gameplay they allow you to differentiate what game you're playing a bit more easily.
That said going to extremes doesn't make your argument any more valid. On the contrary it just makes you look like a complete fool.
But the OoT one was good, I don't want fucking mudslime shit in my Zelda games (or anything else, really).
>>319937961
How is this shit art allowed? Im a life long fan of KOF and I want it to burn to ashes.
Is so terrible...
>>319920210
The real answer is that both of those things are censorship. Not sure what people's fixation on denying this really basic and straightforward classification is. There seems to be a lot of people on /v/ who have some weird investment in this for some reason.
>>319938323
Good thing it doesn't need to be, since my argument is already valid to begin with.
You know what makes you look like a complete fool? Claiming that nothing matters outside gameplay mechanics in a video game.
>>319938575
This is a good post
>>319938651
>since my argument is already valid to begin with.
Delusions aside your argument was never valid. After all you're trying to imply they hold the same amount of importance as the game portion of a video game when the fact of that matter is that they shouldn't. At it's core the game should be more game than anything else..
>Claiming that nothing matters outside gameplay mechanics in a video game.
Not that I said that, on the contrary, all I said was that they didn't add to the gameplay and that they allow the player to differentiate the games they play.
You know it doesn't make you look any better when you don't read the posts you reply to.
>>319923553
>>now the entire female cast has been removed
>This is the future you chose
damn, we really have come full circle
>camera in SFV is adjusted slightly
>this is considered censorship
is /v/ just fucking retarded? Bet you won't boycott it anyway since its not Nintendo
>>319939596
>black bar was placed over something
>this is not considered censorship
Same deal anon.
/v/ never boycotts anything even if it is Nintendo and we all know how much Neo-/v/ hates Nintendo.
reminder that slippery slope is not a real thing
>>319938575
It's almost like some people have a vested interested in trying to get you to accept censorship by pretending that's not what this is.
>>319937802
There seems to be very little concern for it if even now only 85 people have posted.
>>319940861
>FF5 was censored
>XCX was censored
>SF5 is being censored
>BD2 is being censored
>DOAX3 is now not being released at all
Slippery slope.
>>319942205
Maybe because this instance of censorship was announced a month ago (November 8), and there are already dozens of other censorship threads on /v/ every day. People have already talked about it plenty and people like you who keep shilling on /v/ by making threads like this aren't as important as you think you are.
>>319942276
>ignoring the games that have been censored since the beginning of Video games
Slippery Slope indeed.
>>319938575
It's almost like they are trying to gaslight people
>>319940861
True, the progression is more like an ever encroaching line of acceptability. Those pushing the line push it just a millimeter, and then people say, "But it's fine, they only moved it a millimeter!" And they do this over and over, each time the same defense is used, until the line if a football frield from where it started and people are still screaming it has only budged another millimeter.
>>319942658
This new wave of censorship is different, it wasn't there in the 2000s, it's a direct result of the SJW shit that started in recent years.
>>319942720
This is the Overton window
>>319940861
These people call themselves progressive, they are not going to stop and call it a day.
There will always be another windmill to tilt at
>>319942872
The 2000s were marked by senators straight up wanting to ban video games with violence. Do you not remember Jack Thompson? Columbine?
>>319942872
>it wasn't there in the 2000s
Except it was anon, it was just done by a different group known as Soccermoms and people who wanted to remove video games in it's entirety.
The old world is dying
>>319942872
>who is Jack Thompson
>what are the Wii's audience
>>319943690
>Wii's audience
>not the PS2 where casuals latched on like leeches.
>>319943468
And yet aside from some controversies like Manhunt 2 the censorship still wasn't as bad, and the demand for it was from outsiders that were universally reviled instead of retards all over the place demanding it now. It was just noise.
>>319943690
>>319943564
>>319943468
They were probably watching sponge bob at the time.
>>319944127
You seem to have a persecution complex. It's not good.
>>319944127
>And yet aside from some controversies like Manhunt 2 the censorship still wasn't as bad
You are kidding right?
Arguably more games were censored during that time than nowadays.
>>319944083
ps2 did nothing wrong
pc gamers are the school shooter types
>>319920210
cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
noun: censorship
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.
I don't even care that they removed the ass slap. But it's still censorship you fucking retard.
>>319944767
>Arguably
I love how you conveniently added that so even if you were proven wrong you could wiggle out of it.
>>319945116
I'm putting that there for your convenience hun.
There were more games censored than nowadays but you won't accept it.
Hell even Parappa the Rapper 2 and the Mega Man Anniversary collection were censored.
And they don't actively remove blood from video games anymore.
>>319944127
>he doesn't remember the San Andreas censorship fiasco
>>319920210
Going by your logic removing Muslim chants also wasn't a censorship because you can have a perfectly good game without Muslim chants. In fact removing anything from the game is not censorship because you can have a good game with no theme like Nokia Snake.
>>319945740
I said "controversies like" which includes Hot Coffee also. But that was understandable since that was literally a porn scene that made the game get an AO rating.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-a-video-game-lead-to-murder-04-03-2005/
http://www.newsweek.com/violent-videogames-change-teen-brains-106937
http://www.mtv.com/news/1516675/senators-propose-a-federal-ban-on-explicit-video-games/
Are Video Games to Blame for Violence?
By Dean Schabner March 17, 2005
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=541347
http://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/4468-e3-booth-babes-ban/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/10/31/bully-video-game-features-boys-fighting-151-and-kissing.html
Clinton takes aim at sex, violence in video games
http://www.macworld.com/article/1045914/clinton.html
Actual sex minigame
http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/20/technology/personaltech/gta/
Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:06am EDT
Related: Entertainment, Tech
British censor bans first video game in 10 years
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-videogames-manhunt-idUSN1920623320070620
Louisiana passes video game law; lawsuit to follow
http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized/2006/06/7019-2/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5407490.stm
Thursday, 5 October 2006, 08:25 GMT 09:25 UK
All women gamers, please stand up
There is, the argument goes, a failing at the heart of the gaming industry to engage women. But, as women increasingly make up the numbers in gaming statistics, there is also a growing realisation that there is a lot of money to be made from this burgeoning market.
Women now account for around a third of UK gamers, so it is time to stop talking about women in gaming as if they lived in a separate universe?
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Video-game-companies-finally-figure-out-that-2466891.php
Video game companies finally figure out that girls can play with the best of them
By Peter Hartlaub Published 4:00 am, Saturday, November 11, 2006
>>319946350
Exactly, these people were just senators and congressmen, and the occasional lawyer commenting on the games industry like they do on anything else. The new wave of moral authoritarians is coming from academia, infesting social media and trying to push everyone to agree to their views, going on prolonged campaigns and trying to take over everything.
>>319943468
At that time the media was hostile to the subversives, this time they are in bed with them, figuratively and literally
>>319947623
This stuff has always been out there. It's just more visible now with social media.
>>319948440
Are you still upset over a guy proclaiming he was keked in a lover's spat?
