I haven't played a Final Fantasy since FFX on PS2, I'm so confused when it comes to the battle system of Lightning Returns.
How the hell do I stagger? I can't jump back and escape the enemies AoE attacks because Lightning is constantly rubbing up against their legs.
I'm using a controller but the buttons are all over the place.
You are one stupid motherfucker. Just quit.
>>319903313
I have the same question.
>>319905626
>How the hell do I stagger?
>what are different kinds of attacks?
> I can't jump back and escape the enemies AoE attacks because Lightning is constantly rubbing up against their legs.
>what is block?
>>319905825
Where's the stagger meter?
Just when someone believed press to X corridor edition was easy enough some retard makes you lose faith in the world.
No wonder you niggers want ff7 with combat instead of turn based gameplay, you guys can barely breath
>>319906163
Did you even play the tutorial?
See those waves on the HP meter? They start to get higher and higher in amplitude untill the enemy staggers.
why the fuck don't all outfits just have a standard "Attack" function?
>>319906637
Because variety and skill/command combinations. How fucking dense are you?
>>319905825
I would have paid attention to the things in the tutorial, instead of bitching about it later.
I'll spoon feed.
Stagger: usually by attacking their weakness. If confused, hit RT during battle to read the Libra stats. Just keep doing it until it works.
Your walk is slow as hell, but it's certainly viable. If you want to jump back, the starting spell in a magic combo also has a jumpback effect. Otherwise, just block aoe attacks.
You can customize most of the abilities to be in the slots you like. Otherwise, just learn them or read them. It's not particularly hard.
>>319906763
I want to look CUTE and functional.
>>319907403
Then just equip Attack to those that don't have it. Problem fucking solved.
>>319907403
>I want to look CUTE
Unfortunately, you have to play as lightning.
>>319907838
Literally unable to do that.
Is Lightning just completely dead inside?
>>319907403
This is where the true genius of Square-Enix's design philosophy in Lightning Returns shines. The player is left to make agonizing decisions over in-game statistics and ones that the player assigns themselves. Very often, a player is forced into making a choice of if the additional combat-readiness provided by a certain outfit is worth the cost of not being cute. If a sword doesn't match the outfit, the player may opt for lower in-game stats as a personal choice.
These tough decisions are the things that make Lightning Returns a fantastic player experience.
>>319906559
So does it go down if you don't attack for a while?
Notice how you didn't actually answer my question yet assume I didn't read the tutorial
>>319907987
You literally can. What the fuck are you smoking?
>>319908065
Basically. She gets called an edgelord by Lumina too.
Just think about how much of an edgelord you have to be to change your name to Lightning, and force everyone to call you that instead of your real name. And then join the Army.
>>319908223
>So does it go down if you don't attack for a while?
Of course. I ask again, did you even play the tutorial?
>Notice how you didn't actually answer my question
But I did and even pointed it out with a picture. Want me to a draw a huge fucking arrow to point at it too?
> yet assume I didn't read the tutorial
Clearly you didn't if the existence of Stagger meter baffles you.
>>319908251
You don't get an attack spell until you find it... somewhere. I don't even remember where.
>>319908223
You only have to do an attack every second or two to keep it up, I think.
Why would you choose to play a XIII-3 of all? XIII is almost universally reviled so I get not playing that, by why play its second sequel?
>>319908373
>glasses
My dick
>>319908562
it just looks random to me. This is different from the first two where you could at least tell when they staggered
>>319908569
Because the sequels actually change up the formula?for the story
or just for fan service
>muh universal appeal
really kill you'reself
>>319903313
>I haven't played a Final Fantasy since FFX on PS2
>Decides to play the 3rd game of a trilogy
Where is the fucking logic
>>319903313
>hurr durr I haven't played any good ff games
>better play the third installment of the most polished turd series of the century senpai
>>319908223
>So does it go down if you don't attack for a while?
Yes, but gradually so you don't get fucked while healing.
>>319908569
Because it's good?
If you're asking why I decided to get it in the first place, partly because it was the first Final Fantasy to have dual audio. Also because I heard "dressup sim". It's also an open-world action RPG.
There was also a demo that sealed the deal. I'm not sure why people wouldn't have gotten it after the demo.
>>319908420
>pointed it out
it's not a meter.
>>319908676
>it just looks random to me
>hit the enemy
>the waves get bigger
>looks random
Sure, whatever you say
>you could at least tell when they staggered
>huge fucking clashing sound when enemy gets staggered
>"STAGGER" is written in the middle of the screen
>"b-b-but it's so hard to tell!!!!"
You are some special kind of retard. Maybe this game isn't for you.
>>319908676
The big "STAGGERED" letters kind of give it away for me, even if it really threw me off in this clip.
>>319909072
Do you really not know what I mean or are you just arguing semantics? What's your goal. I won't suck your dick.
>>319908872
source?
>>319909067
>It's not a meter
Are you retarded or something? Do you not see the sin waves that intensify as you build up stagger.
You PC players are fucking retarded it seems.
>>319909218
>Do you really not know what I mean
I can only understand what you write. Why would I interpret in any other way?
> What's your goal
Just pointing out that the things you are complaining about aren't even issues if you could pay attention.
>>319906559
to be fair the stagger wave is fucking stupid and cryptic especially compared to the plain old stagger meter.
>tfw trying to break the final boss
it's fucking stupid
>>319909473
>intensify
Not really
>>319909503
>why would I interpret in any other way
maybe because some of us are not autistic and have reading comprehension
>>319908373
The nice thing is that she's getting lecturedby her younger self
>>319909736
They get bigger
That's intensifying you colossal retard
Why do all the idiots come out whenever something gets released on PC Jesus christ
>>319908373
Look at her. She looks like a slightly annoyed hipster. not cute
![001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/b7bv8B3.jpg "001[1].jpg")
>>319909696
>>319909736
>Literal fucking retards
THE DAMN WAVE GOES FROM STABLE TO UNSTABLE AND EVEN CHAGES COLOR FROM BLUE TO RED, AND THE GAME EVEN PAUSES FOR A SECOND AND PUTS "STAGGER" IN BIG ASS GOLDEN LETTERS ONCE YOU'VE BROKEN THEM
WHAT MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY FUCKING NEED
>>319910080
def cute
>skip tutorial
>complain about not knowing a mechanic the tutorial is supposed to teach
Who does this?I'll kill you
>>319910110
an actual number to tell me when I'm about to break it.
I've found myself in situations where the enemy's stagger wave is clearly on the verge of breaking but it refuses to do so.
How to get good?
I keep dying and having to reload the save in order to beat this guy.
Possible to beat him in chaos?
>>319910012
>they get bigger
So?
read >>>319909696
I'm glad someone else explained to you something as simple as that. You can't tell which attack is most effective in 13-3, only which does the most damage.
But keep on being a retarded autistic shitlord.
>>319910110
>calling others retards
>lacks severe reading comprehension
Don't assume things. It makes you look like an autistic person. Look up the definition of ambiguity.
>>319910012
>PC gaymers constantly bitch about wanting console games
>Finally get them and they're too damn stupid to even play them
See: Metal Gear Rising, Hyperdimension Neptunia, soon to be Dragon's Dogma
>>319909696
>to be fair the stagger wave is fucking stupid and cryptic
Just because you have bad eye sight and attention span doesn't make ti stupid and cryptic. Rest of us could notice it fine. Maybe the problems isn't with the game but with you?
>>319909736
>Not really
Pic related. That's not "intesified" to you? It's much bigger than the wave early on and its bright red. How the fuck are you missing it?
>maybe because some of us are not autistic and have reading comprehension
>you should know what I mean even though I don't mean what I say
You sound like a woman
>>319910253
>rising
Shitty mechanics.
No excuse.
>>319910219
You said that they don't intensify
The lines get bigger and faster and change color from blue to red IIRC
That's clearly intensifying. Not to mention it straight up tells you when something gets staggered. Stop being so dense
>>319910321
again, the intensity tells you nothing. Literally nothing. You lack reading comprehension.
I use as little words as possible so you might not get distracted by your dick thinking of the hypothetical gender of the opposite poster.
do yourself a favor and return the game
How is the PC port? Better than XIII and XIII-2?
>>319910219
> You can't tell which attack is most effective
Why not just TRY OUT THE FUCKING ATTACK and see which one works the best at staggering the foe?
>>319906358
>you guys can barely breath
>can't spell the word breathe
fucking dumbass
>>319910456
That's your strawman.
>the grass is green therefore you're wrong!
stupid. Retarded. How about you actually refute my points
I didn't say they didn't intensify.
>>319910321
>Stagger bar
>Shows a very clear percentage needed to break them, and you'd know exactly when that's happening
>shows how much long they stagger when broken
>Stagger wave
>show's a vague measurement of how close they are being staggered
>no indication of how long they stay staggered
yes, you can work with the stagger wave but the stagger meter is clearly superior
>>319910205
it turns red.
>>319910207
come back later.
(I posted a strat in another thread let me try to find it in a sec.)
>>319910524
Mouse doesn't move the camera around.
10/10 im fucking ANGRY
>>319910459
>again, the intensity tells you nothing. Literally nothing
It does and it's clearly told in the tutorial. You skipped or lack the attention span of a normal human being and now you are here complaining about an issue thats clearly not an issue.
>>319910526
>try out
Yes you can try them out. How does that tell you which is most effective shitlord.
You have to try attacks out in 13-2 as-well. Are you retarded?
>>319910524
They get better at porting everytime. Literally best port so far.
>>319910581
THOSE
FUCKING
BOOTS
>>319910524
Stutters like a motherfucker when entering new zones but is great otherwise.
>>319910205
>I've found myself in situations where the enemy's stagger wave is clearly on the verge of breaking but it refuses to do so.
Then you simply haven't done enough to stagger them. Whether or not it was a bar filling up or numbers being displayed, it wouldn't change the fact that you still just haven't staggered them.
>>319910219
No, you're fucking retarded if you think the stagger meter in LR is too vague or ambiguous. It's perfectly fine the way it is
>>319910341
>Bawwwww I can't parry
You just tap the direction your want to block + attack, it's fucking ezpz. You PKeks literally can't fathom anything that requires reaction speed and timing
>>319910673
>you skipped the tutorial nuh uh
no I didn't.
The intensity bar tells you literally nothing.
>>319903313
kek
>>319910785
the tutorials barely explain anyhting
>>319910736
> the stagger meter in LR is too vague or ambiguous
THE FUCK? ARE YOU FOR FUCKING REAL. OMFG I CANT HANDLE THIS SHIT. You've got to be pretending, please just tell me you're pretending.
Get some fucking glasses
>you can't parry
Never mentioned parrying. What's with the strawmanning.
How viable is playing this with a keyboard? I don't have a gamepad.Somebody gift me a controller pls.
>>319910524
It's much better, unless you're playing keyboard/mouse. Then you're beyond fucked. I can't really understand why they thought keyboard only was a good idea.
>>319910207
That dragon is pretty easy to take stagger. Any hits against the head or tail build a bunch of stagger. The general strat is to slowly chip away with magic until it does a bite or tail attack. If you get a perfect block on bite, you can smack it a couple of times before it lifts its head up, then you have to go back to chipping away to retain/slowly build stagger. Tail can get one-shotted with a "heavy attack", but I don't want to use the Cloud outfit. It basically has two modes of stagger. First it puts down its head a little, and if you do enough damage to the head, it'll fall down completely and get really vulnerable. A lot of bigger enemies have that sort of "two staggers" thing going on.
>>319910675
>How does that tell you which is most effective shitlord.
The ones that work better stagger the foe FASTER. Wow, what a novel concept.
>>319910785
>The intensity bar tells you literally nothing.
Maybe for retards they don't. Stagger bar explains me the situation just fine.
>>319910894
Well obviously. The stagger bar was perfect. The intensity waves are just artificially making the games more difficult.
>>319911093
>The ones that work better stagger the foe FASTER. Wow, what a novel concept.
retard
>just fine
so room for improvement? unlike 13-2?
wow.
>>319911091
>It's much better, unless you're playing keyboard/mouse. Then you're beyond fucked. I can't really understand why they thought keyboard only was a good idea.
XIII doesn't recognize my gamepad anymore since I got a new mouse. Does LR have any similar known issues?
>>319911106
>The intensity waves are just artificially making the games more difficult.
>more difficult
Now I know this is bait
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vl38tW8.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Since clearly this is a thread with 2 retards, lets ignore them and have an actual LR thread.
How do I beat the Chaos Chocobo Eater? I gave up the game around here, it was too hard and I wasn't invested enough to figure out how to win. I'm pretty sure I'm underleveled though, what skills should I have by now?
>>319911091
Thanks for the tips.
Playing FF game without party system doesn't feel very Final Fantasy.
>>319909053
Where's the demo? Console only?
>>319911091
I don't understand why people want to play this shit with KBM to begin with. It's not an FPS or RTS, controller is faster.
>>319911264
How is it bait? Prove me wrong. If it's bait you should be able to prove me wrong. If you can't. Then your post just isn't contributing one bit
>>319911239
It's retard to make your own conlcusions from what you do?
>>319911432
>no contributing, just more fallacies
Figured.
>>319910995
pls respond
>>319911659
Nigga read the post directly under yours
FF13-3 was a good direction the series was taking but I bet because of fags in this thread we'll see yet once again casualized shit in the future.Fuck all of you
>>319912026
>good direction
dunno about that but I hate time limit and the new stagger shit.
Also the story was really not that interesting. But I'm assuming you talking about the gameplay. Which I don't disagree on
>>319912292
The time limit isn't so much a problem because once you're on NG+ you burn through everything so fast you have nothing to do for 5 of those days
>>319912712
I know the time limit isn't an issue. But it's not rewarding for the player, it creates this sense of tension which just isn't fun in my opinion. I enjoy exploring things at my own pace. Since doing something in a JRPG faster isn't really a skill, it just is about knowing what to do next the 2nd time you play it.
It's not like a racing game or speedrunning a platformer. Walking from A to B is really not satisfying if done faster.
Is there anything I need to know before playing to prevent myself from running into zodiac spear levels of bullshit?
I played FFXIII up to the 3rd disc on my Xbox but switched to a PS4 since and don't want to set it up again. Anyone know of a good Let's Play of the game so I can catch up and start with XIII-2 on the PC?
>>319913301
Do you want a let's play or to see the story without a faggot talking over it.
Just like for FF13 the movie.
>>319911329
pls rspnd
>>319913468
A Let's Play so I can stay interested even when there's combat I can't take part of.
>>319911329
Easiest way is to put on the black/blue costume with the physical resist with the preta hood (i think) and use that to tank through a lot of skills. Obvs learn the timing on blocking chocobo eater skills though for some easy staggers
>>319913578
then skip over it. its a youtube video, not a tv shot.
>>319913221
Enemies give better drops if you beat them from day 7 or 10 onwards. One of those.
You don't shoot yourself in the foot killing things in the first week but dont feel you gotta extinct everything soon as.
And you can't complete the bestiary in one playthrough
>>319913301
EVERYONE WHO DECIDED TO PLAY THE THIRD GAME IN A TRILOGY BUT DIDN'T PLAY THE FIRST TWO.
WATCH THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumQFAzxN2w
>>319913221
There's no FF12-tier bullshit in this game.
>>319913649
See I got the whole blocking thing down pat fine but I can never do any damage, he just regenerates too fast. Eventually I just die after fighting a war of attrition for a half hour. What skills should I have by now?
>>319914105
You misread my comment.
>>319913673
I still prefer a let's play. I do want to see the combat, I'd just rather there be someone speaking while I see it, personal preference.
>>319913301
>Anyone know of a good Let's Play of the game so I can catch up and start with XIII-2 on the PC?
The only one I know shits on 13, so eh...
>>319914569
I don't really mind, I enjoyed the game personally
>>319914163
Maybe leave it a few days and finish some quests. Deshell and deprotect are probably the best.
Dude has a lot of hps, fix up the white chocobo if you haven't (i think you can use it in that fight)
>>319914723
>Maybe leave it a few days
Pretty sure I only have like 2 days left. I guess if I ever get around to it I'll just let the time run out and start the game over
>>319909329
Eroquis
>game has an internal time limit
I hate this shit, is there a way t disable the stupid timer?
This is why Majoras Mask was so garbage, I hate being rushed.
>>319915367
You don't even need to pay attention to the timer. Shit is piss easy. On my first playtrough I had multiple days worth of time that I just skipped because I had nothing to do.
How easy is it to get into the FFXIII trilogy if you haven't really played any recent FF?
>>319916042
They're not anything like other FF games imo, the combat system is very different, just do the tutorial and you'll be fine.
>>319916042
None of the FF games are connected except if they share a number.
>tfw you must conclude certain posts as bait because you can't logically accept that people exist who are this retarded
>>319917348
I honestly think he was 100% serious about the stagger meter being confusing, I've heard dumber on this site
Someone please tell me if I should enable the dlc garbs (&weapons?). Are they literally cheat items? I don't want to be overpowered or anything, so should I wait until later before I redeem them, or just leave them to ng+?
>>319919709
You can get them at any time in the menu, most aren't even that nice looking, in terms of stats yeah a few are kinda OP at the beginning of the game, but just don't use them so often.
>>319919709
The samurai outfits aren't too bad, but the other FF ones are somewhat ridiculous. I think the FFX-2 Yuna one isn't bad, but the Cloud and FFX Yuna are ridiculous.
Does this one let you walk up to and sneak up on enemies out in the field like in XIII or does it do that semi random encounter thing like XIII-2?
>>319919943
>>319920170
Okay senpai, I think I'll just use whatever I get in game for now.
Is Lightning the prettiest video game character ever made?
The thing they could've done better with the battle system was make you feel fast. I mean when you see Lightning fight in cutscenes she like teleports and shit, then when you actually fight, you fight like a snail.
Apart from that, game is good, Lightning is cute and it could be properly optimised.
>game only exceeds 700mb ram
>game only uses 38% cpu
>mfw using a 3 year old laptop
>>319922616
BUILT
FOR
SEX
>>319922616
Sometimes
Is there any costume that has Lightning go bear foot?
