>sell your game to Microsoft in an exclusivity deal
>only sell 170,000 copies
As far as developers are concerned, the xbone is now the kiss of death.
So much for "we're not worried", eh Ubisoft?
Ubisoft?
>>319881948
>Ubisoft doesn't own Tomb Raider anymore
Holy shit I'm old
>>319881834
Wasn't really the X1. It would have sold like shit even if it was on ever platform. Releasing the same day as FO4 is what did it.
1.How do you know the sales?
2.xbone isn't going anywhere. Why would you say this?
3.let me ask you the real question. is Rise of the Tomb Raider good? that's all I want to know
>>319882603
What is so hard about looking it up?
http://wccftech.com/rise-tomb-raider-uk-sales-due-poor-release-timing-fine-ps4/
>release shit game
>it does badly on one console despite that console being starved for games
>it'll sell much better on that other platform next year don't worry guys we just didn't sell it right this time
I'd be pretty fucking worried
once the timed exclusive runs out the PS4 kucks can have my sloppy seconds
>>319881834
You appear confused.
If the developers took an exclusivity deal over a multiplatform release, that means it was worth more to them to sell the game's exclusivity than to sell more copies of the game.
That a developer can be profitable on the Xbone with barely any sales would hardly suggest it's "the kiss of death". Developing Xbone games sounds like a very lucrative venture, one just has to sell them to Microsoft, not players.
Mid budget games are dying
No one cares about being Indiana Jones with empowered thighs. It's a wonder Uncharted has done so well. Can it get more generic?
>Dragon Quest Heroes only sells 31K
>Complete flop on PS4
>Every 3rd party exclusive on PS4 has flopped and now heading to PC
Tomb Raider was just the final push towards the inevitable *Also on PC Future.
>>319882380
Making it unavailable for the majority of the market in order to enjoy that MS dick up the ass sure didn't help though.
>>319883318
But it's fun, well the first one was at least. Was more fun than uncharted that's for sure, Uncharted is just go through each linear level shooting things, atleast in TR they let your explore and backtrack, improve your gear, gives you that sense of character development. Plus the character movement was a lot of fun just to run and jump around on stuff. If 3D platformers were a thing these days this would probably be the best one for todays standards.
>>319881834
Maybe devs will take it as a sign.
>Every game with Lara tits sells millions
>Two games with FemiLara sell like shit
>>319882106
Ubisoft never owned Tomb Raider.
>>319881834
>launching your game the same day as Legacy of the Void and fucking Fallout 4
Literally retarded.
>>319882781
where do these people get the numbers from? "UK sales" what does that mean and/ are we talking about physical xbone copies only
I'm being skeptical here because I know the salt is real with this game.
Until you have real global numbers from the publishers or whatever these flaming threads are pointless.
If I remember right the reboot sold like 4+ milion. There's no way this game sold only like 100~200k copies.
>>319883805
Took 30 seconds. Maybe you should actually look next time
>>319884063
You made this thread just as an elaborate chain of ruses just for this post, didn't you?
>>319884063
They were a co-publisher of some faceless spinoff of literally the worst entry in the TR series? Come on anon you know the difference between 'own' and 'publish'. Pic related.
DELETE THIS
NOW
>>319884063
Owned, Published and Developed are three different words with three different definitions anon.
It's never not been owned by Eidos, and was created by an Eidos dev studio.
>>319881834
>tone down a legendary sex mascot
>'omg why it doesnt sell!??'
>>319884583
>buy a stripclub
>make all the strippers get breast reductions and wear regular clothes
>instead of having them dance, have them give witty one liners
>expect patrons to keep coming
>>319884583
>>319884720
How did squeenix allow this anyway? They're japs, they know better.
>>319881834
YOU CAN DO IT LARA!!!
>>319884842
Probably fucked up and gave artistic freedom to Californians when Eidos didn't.
>>319883780
You're retarded. TR2013 sold by the truckload
>rise of the tomb-raider
>it's her demise
>>319884842
because japan is actually pretty naive and trusting unlike capitalist americunt, they think westie has better sense than japan dev.
its not.
>>319885319
that's definitely correct
a japanese made TR game would be nothing less than retarded on every level especially after the TR 2013 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
![crying-girl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qmgeXY3.jpg "crying-girl[1].jpg")
>old Lara
>Indiana Jones with tits
>new Lara
>pic related
I-I can do this
>>319885170
I though they were complaining about poor sales when TR was released.
Isn't that why the "Remastered" version was released on next-gen consoles less than a year later?
>>319881834
It came out the same day as Fallout 4 as well.
>>319884842
On the level SE operates, market research steers you. They've asked advisors from the US what should they change in Tomb Raider since they were doing re-boot. Advisors were liberal-arts graduates or game devs, both of these groups are liberal so they've cited circlejerk "research" that proved that 6838% of gamers are females hence the game needs to feature more toned down character since that's obviously what females prefer(except actual research proves otherwise, women like attractive women the most).
>>319886352
2013 was shitty for Japanese parts of SE so they've bitched that their American branch underperforms even though they've achieved record sales for 2 of 3 franchises they own(Hitman, Splinter Cell) and the 3rd one sold the amount equal to its previous record from 1997.
But hey, carrying out FFXV/VersusXIII being in development hell, Lightningfaggotry that didn't brought the millions they've expected and rewriting FFXIV because it was shit costs.
>>319882603
It's shit and I hope they don't make another one.
>sex sells
>have a sexy protag
>I know who'll get more sales, removing the sexyness
>>319884583
>buying shit games just for tits
>>>/doa/
>>319886031
The games are about her becoming "old Lara", but why should you know that? You obviously haven't fucking played them.
>>319883948
>sold 4 million plus
Was also released on every console, released it for free eventually, and had everyone wanting to play the long awaited Gritty reboot ( still salty they changed everything for a uncharted clone)
>>319887038
Women hate other women because it's their inner struggle; they see it as a competition all the time, who's sexier. But in a videogame? it's THEIR fantasy. Picking a fatass ugly bitch is imbecile.
I'm glad it's selling like shit, there fault for making retarded decisions.
Even when this comes out to other platforms later not many people are gonna want to pay full price for a game that's 6+ months old .
>>319888557
>GTAV
Square Enix got free money from MS. Plus it seems to be getting good word of mouth so I'm sure it will sell well on PC and PS4.
>>319883473
What are you even talking about? It was always planned to come to PC.
hope it sells liek shit when comes to other platforms too, the reboot needs to die
>>319883291
Go big or go home
>>319883291
Good thing that Tomb Raider was always AAA
I hope it comes to PC soon just so we can get Laura's fat ass.
>>319887709
the thread is about how low this game sold. So yeah, A LOT of people didn't play them.
>>319887709
We already learned about Lara's origins in the original games, but why should you know that? You obviously haven't played them.
>>319889985
Lara's Mother during a plane crash: "Close your eyes, darling"
10 year old Lara: (stony faced) "I don't want to close my eyes"
Reboot Lara, 21 years old during a ship wreck: "BAWWW PLS HELP ME SOMEONE"
Reboot Lara, 21 years old stranded and alone on an island: "BAWWW THERE'S A DEAD BODY"
Reboot Lara, 21 years old after being kidnapped: "BAWWWW PLS DON'T RAPE ME"
Reboot Lara, 21 years old having to do something dangerous to save her life: "BAWWW I CAN DO THIS"
>>319883473
Just like bloodborne right?
>>319884842
you do realize the person who made lara croft was white?
tomb raider reboot when?
>>319884063
>Game Boy Advance
I guess Capcom owns Zelda since they made a handheld game for it.
>>319886031
thats sort of the point
>>319890204
not really, she only has a minor breakdown after killing one guy
not a lot of bawwing
source: played the game
>>319892554
To change part of what helped make her popular in the first place?
>>319892703
Come of it m8 the original Lara would be using her insane Olympic standard gymnast skills to navigate dangerous tombs for priceless artefacts at that age. Reboot Lara is just some random bimbo.
>>319892775
yeah, they wanna have a cry baby grow into old lara
thing is: if they actually went the full route with her being a busty sex-symbol power house then it would be great
but you just know they will never go back to full-blown fun, adventurous lara, it will be boring "i can do this", gritty, dramatic lara; it wont sell well and the franchise will die
>>319892962
didnt deny that and completely agree with what you are saying
i wish they went back to fun, sexy and tomb-raiding lara
>>319881834
>sell your game to Microsoft
Actually, they helped make the game
>>319893204
>Believing marketeers
Yea, they "helped" make the game by buying exclusivity, the game would be made just fine without microsoft interference, and we've been over this shit more than a year ago now.
>170k
Then why are every other website reporting half a million so far?
>>319893414
>the game would be made just fine
Yeah totally, especially after Squeenix said the previous game sold "unsatisfactorally"
>>319893542
What website ?
>>319892086
So? That was back when American whites weren't kekolds. Japs still know what's up.
Just your daily reminder that sales threads are Neogaf faggotry and that if you actually care about sales instead of the quality of a game you should fuck off of /v/ and go to Neokek.
Why is she so perfect /v/?
>>319894671
>The Japanese aren't keks
>Literally nobody is having sex other than the Yakuza because the average man is a huge pussy who would rather work 80 hours a week doing nothing
>Entire japanese mediascape is built around portraying men as sissy fairy faggots
Ok.
>>319881834
Repeat for dragon quest heroes and guilty gear xrd
>>319895171
Get back to your open relationship kid.
>>319895324
EPIC COMEBACK XD
>>319894250
maybe he means microsoft ............hahahaha
>>319894901
Nigger we have JAV threads almost every day and you're whining like a bitch about a sales thread?
What's the matter? Butthurt that your beloved game isn't doing so well?
>>319891804
He said 3rd party exclusives.
>>319896063
Already 20 bucks off. Feel sorry for the day 1 suckers.
>>319896354
>>319896487
lol WUT
man, considering that AAA developers have dedicated marketing teams, they really have no fucking clue what they are doing
>>319881834
>previous title sold l crap on xbox
>release new title as timed exclusive on xbox
>nobody is buying
WOW
>>319882380
lol this is completely and patently false.
The FO4 demographic is very different. Not to mention FO is just a niche thing in general for hardcore gamers.
Fact of the matter is that people either have PS4s, PCs, or both. Anyone with an xbone is casual and likes stuff like Gears of War or Halo. Tomb Raider doesn't always appeal to that kind of person.
>>319894250
I know it's unreliable, but vgchartz
>>319881834
>it's the xbones fault
No, it's because the last tomb raider was a boring mediocre yawnfest piece of shit. It didn't sell much because the second game is the exact same fucking thing, i'm getting real sick and tired of /v/ thinking the xbone killed tomb raider,(a game franchise that wasn't even good in the first place). The continuation of tomb raider killed tomb raider.
>>319896487
Those are some The Order 1886 levels of flop right there
>>319898217
i think you're right considering the success of the series in the long run but currently you have to admit that it's a least partially the xbones fault
it's never good to limit the size of your customers to exclusively one console that isnt even successful in the first place
>>319898695
well, TO1886 is shti
turns out that it's still favorable to focus on GAMEplay in your GAME
I just want to solve crazy puzzles while jumping around in crazy environments again.
>B-BUT MUH FALLOUT 4!!!
Xboners are hilarious when they try to make excuses.
Can't wait until this comes out for PS4 and PC with all the dlc included.
>>319898707
Sometimes it's good for the devs that get paid millions by MS and also good for MS for moving consoles. In this case it was clearly a failure though.
>>319898707
True, but it's always a given that sales will be handicapped by exclusives, Sunset Overdrive, The Order 1886, and of course Rise of theTomb Raider all suffered because of Sony and Microsoft's bullshit.
>>319898217
Except Tomb Raider sales were actually good and they were not flash, day 1 heavy numbers off hype they had gradual sales that built up over time. Even the re-release for PS4/Xbone did OK.
>>319899087
how is that even possible? Is SC2 good now?
>>319899121
yeah, but that's what i dont get
wouldnt you, as a creative (the dev), want your creation to be played by as many people as possible?
it's so sad to see that they obviously just saw that huge stack of cash MS gave em and jumped at the opportunity
All the Tomb Raiders have kind of blended together since the mid-2000's. People don't necessarily hate the series, but it's kind of stagnant.
Ass Creed and Far Cry are next.
>>319883473
>Dragon Quest Heroes only sells 31K
DQ always sells like shit everywhere but Japan. Don't understand how people thought this one would be different.
>>319899254
>Is SC2 good now?
No
>>319899254
I don't even know. I thought competitive rts where dead and buried because of mobas.
>>319899285
>implying AAA devs care about who or how many people play their games.
That Microsoft bonus is enough for Crystal Dynamics.
>>319899285
As a dev yes but I guess it's the publisher who gets the stacks of cash and we all know publishers only care about money.
>>319899330
third person cover shooting with a crafting system and skill trees
that's the problem
devs think that it's enough to make a succesful game but you need to hang that gameplay framework on something of substance
far cry had huge, expansive maps to explore
uncharted has crazy tomb raiding and puzzles with an over the top adventuring background
tomb raider has ... "i can do this"
>>319899693
>>319899693
just being hypothetical here
>>319897889
>FO is just a niche thing in general for hardcore gamers.
That's some real low quality bait.
>Squenix expected Toom Raider to sell 7mil copies
>Got ass squashed when it "only" sold 3.4mil
>Made an exclusivity deal with a game that was costier to make
These japs are fucking retarded.
>>319899087
>MFW Comes out on PC and is successful
>MFW Comes out on NX and is successful
>MFW Doesn't sell anything on PS4 because they are too busy playing the latest Call Of Dewitos and watching Netflix
>>319900826
Part of the deal was also for Microshit to market it which these days is what most budgets are spent on.
Although since the sales have been shit and they will have to market the games themselves next year for PS4 sales it was kinda irrelevant.
>>319900869
>mfw it sells really badly on ps4 but it still sells twice than the Xbone "exclusive".
Can't wait for more Xboner tears.
>>319901084
They completely destroyed the IP.
>Lara isn't a fun character anymore, devs are more busy trying to figure out how she should look rather than how she should act
>Uncharted is a thing now, and TR has nothing on it
>Losing userbase with exclusivity deals
>Retarded release date
>Poor marketing
>>319901493
>MFW it sells more on PC
>MFW weeb games sell more on PC
>MFW PS4 loses all its 3rd party exclusives to PC
>>319901720
>MFW it sells more on PC
irrelevant sales
buying games for 5$ on steam sales does what exactly
I started the first one because Melonpan said Rise of the Tomb Raider is his game of the year. It's literally uncharted as of now.
>release the same day as casual bait fallout 4
>surprised it sold like shit
>>319882603
GoodGame gave it 10/10 because of Hex and her lady-boner for "strong female protagonists". never mind that it's the poor mans uncharted, and has completely unbelievable story,
>Actually enjoy TR2013
>Lara isn't as badass as before, but she is still hot as fuck.
>Get hyped about the new game coming to PC/PS4
>Her tits are fucking downgraded
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS ALLOWED?
>>319901720
pirating a game on PC isnt a sell, please take your fedora and go back to /a/
>>319902025
sells more means making more money, not moving more units doofus
>>319881834
MS helped fund some development costs, along with advertising for temporary exclusive.
Square will publish it next year on other platforms.
Sound y like a win win for both crystal dynamics, and gamers.
But no, everything is a console war fanboy shitfest.
>>319902908
Too many polygons for the bone.
>>319903179
If Microsoft had paid any significant amount of money, the game would have been a XB/PC exclusive, just like Sony and their deal for SFV.
SE made a shitty decision.
>>319903861
Pretty sure the fact that it's not on PC means that they paid more.
>>319904159
It's coming to PC in early 2016, tho
>>319903861
MS doesn't want PC gaming to thrive, because invalidates their market model. The problem right now is that they're losing a huge chunk of that market and their gaming platform isn't selling enough, their games aren't selling enough on XBone, their exclusives aren't selling enough and more and more the shareholders are asking MS to close XBone and move on.
>>319881834
FRIENDLY REMINDER:
EA regretted their exclusivity deal with Microsoft as well.
http://gamingbolt.com/infamous-second-son-leading-titanfall-in-social-metrics-ea-sorry-for-not-bringing-titanfall-to-ps4
That's taking into account the advertising money and whatever extra cash they got for being boner friendly.
>>319905552
>They are still mad
>They think after a string of 3rd party exclusive flops on PS4 they are still going to get exclusives
>>319905692
Superior
>>319881834
>Ubisoft
What does Ubisoft have to do with TR?
>>319905692
>B-BUT SONY!!
>implying third-party exclusives still exist
Cry some more, you fucking cancerous Xbone cunt.
>>319905692
http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/ubisoft-xbox-one-game-sales-half-those-of-ps4-tied-with-ps3-and-xbox-360/
"Square/Microsoft are happy with Crystal and Eidos Montreal and the game itself. As to the topic of sales, I'm unqualified to discuss it so I won't have anything else to say on this thread."
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/74920/20150807/call-duty-moving-xbox-one-ps4.htm
http://n4g.com/news/1630764/grand-theft-auto-v-next-gen-sells-3m-units-worldwide-first-week-ps4-xbox-one ( It sold 2,189,34 units for the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox One version sold 903,978. )
Every major publisher finds better sales figures on PS4 than they do on Xbone.
>>319896487
>39.98 is 20 less than 49.96
???
>>319899828
>uncharted has crazy tomb raiding and puzzles with an over the top adventuring background
Have you played both series? Tomb Raider has WAY more tomb raiding and puzzles.
>>319907587
Read the white tag, the yellow tag is unrelated
>WAS: $59.95
I would say it didn't do that bad.
>>319906908
>>319906654
>Multiplats
>Thinks they will get exclusives because Sonykeks buy more COD
kek
>>319907885
It sold just over half a copy? That's pretty bad.
TR has always been more popular with Sony-PC players, too bad it hasn't been good since Underworld which could have been better.
>>319881834
I had no idea this was out, I haven't even seen posts about it.
>>319881834
the game is actually fun too. i think halo, fallout, gears and forza were pretty much hurtful for why the game sold so poorly on the xbone
>>319884583
The moral high ground is its own reward.
>>319907968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_%28eighth_generation%29
Probably should have put some multiplayer in there.
>>319885089
I'M NOT THAT KIND OF CROFT. I HATE TOMBS!
Lara Croft is from the original Play Station, right?
Come home, white woman.
>>319900869
>he thinks 3rd parties will ever give a fuck about nintendo again
they're likely done after both the wii and wii u were underpowered gimmick machines that were eclipsed by the competition within a year.
and going by sales records, the tomb raider games easily sell best on playstation consoles, the last one selling the clear majority overall on ps4.
I don't care. I just bought the game and have enjoyed it so far. Fite me faggits
>As far as developers are concerned, the xbone is now the kiss of death.
It's not, they just released it at a terrible time and barely advertised the game
>>319905552
titanfall 2 will be xboner exclusive
>>319883473
On pc it has only 15k, playstation over a million.
>>319883267
The deal was made before PS4 started dominating and when the gap was a lot closer, it was also probably assumed that MS would advertise it more.
Even the XB1 version compared to the 360 version of TR2013 alone is selling at less than half the rate. This isn't good for a series that is trying to achieve growth.
Simple fact is this serves as a warning to any future devs or pubs who want to make similar deals with MS
