video games aren't art
>>319844332
and that's okay
>>319844332
God took away his jaw because he was tired of hearing all the stupid shut he said.
>>319844713
>>319845781
>>319844332
Fucker had no concept of what video games can entail. Dude probably played Tetris or pacman at best.
To be fair, a lot of games aren't art. You've got a lot of games that are basically puzzles, or sports, or simulators. On the other hand, you'd got a shit ton of games that are basically stage plays where an audience member is invited to participate. If that shit isn't art, the dude is basically saying live theatre isn't art.
Not that he says anything because that fucker be dead.
>>319844332
and Roger Ebert makes universal claims against things that aren't his taste
he was doing it decades before video games
>>319844332
movies aren't art
Anything creative is art.
Though, looking at modern art, I'd rather video games weren't included.
This is art
>>319846192
mother FUCK that's horrifying
>>319844332
>he hasn't played MGS2
wew
>>319846192
Why not just kill him at that point? Why isn't euthanasia legal?
>>319846021
>>319846397
it was his choice
he did later say that the surgery was so rough that if the cancer re-emerged he'd let it take him
>>319844332
so does movie.
>>319846517
>he said
He could talk after that?
>>319846621
wrote down, typed into a speech generator, whatever
>>319846335
This is not a skeleton.
Anyone who ever cared what that he said that is a moron. He was a movie reviewer.
It's like a football player telling you that baseball isn't a real sport.
>>319844332
Neither was your face before you died so shut the fuck up
>>319846192
weirdest boner rn f@m
I don't know why people take opinions so personally.
>>319846192
DELETE THIS
>>319844332
Some video games can be considered art, it really depends on the definition that you're using; however, the comments that Ebert made were pretty dumb and hypocritical considering how similar video games can be on many fundamental levels with films.
I personally believe that video games are indeed art, though. Not all of them can be considered good art, but many of them do earn that title.
The 3d models are art
The textures are art
The sound design is art
The overall aesthetic is art
But as soon as you put it all together it magically stops being art.How?
Videogames have works of art on them (story, music, character/level design) but videogames themselves aren't art, things that serve an specific purpose will never be art, thats like saying cars, tools or weapons can be art.
>>319844332
neither are books
>just because I'm thinking about textbooks I can magically extrapolate the same logic to all books
>>319844332
Pathologic begs to differ.
>>319846153
But he is objectively correct.
Video games cannot be art as art is currently define.
If memory serves, Ebert did admit that he didn't really have much knowledge about video games, and that he shouldn't have been so outspoken about an uninformed opinion.
>>319844332
Okay.
>>319846914
If some faggot were to take a bunch of artsy photos and staple them to a giant dick statue he carved, it would be seen as one work of art. Why can't a video game?
>>319846914
>cars, tools or weapons can be art.
they can though. you've never seen sculptures made from old hammers or rusted cars? never seen one of the hundred commercials that refer to a new vehicle as a work of art?
anyone can say anything is art. this post is art.
>>319846914
If we follow that reasoning, games like Flower and Journey are still art. They do not have a scoring system or any form of competition.
>>319846981
Go read a dictionary.
agreed 100%
just wish reddit and tumblr would stop perpetuating the "vidya is art" meme, it has spawned some cancerous shit
art is for fags and rich cunts who want to seem intelligent/buying social status.
videogames are for head shots.
>>319846378
>came to post this
wew
>>319844332
Roger Ebert isn't alive.
>art1
ärt/
noun
noun: art; plural noun: arts; plural noun: the arts
1.
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
RPGs are art.
>>319846981
Art as defined by Oxford Dictionary:
The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
As defined by Encyclopedia Britannica:
Art, also called (to distinguish it from other art forms) visual art, a visual object or experience consciously created through an expression of skill or imagination
By any common definiton of word video games are art and any other opinions are bullshit.
Although oxford definition does imply that indie pixelshit is not art which is fine by me.
>>319847172
>>319844332
People who argue about this are unfathomably stupid.
>>319847205
What would be the purpose of that sculpture? How is it useful for humanity? As shitty it would be, that thing would be art, it exists solely for that, saying videogames aren't art is not taking any merit from them, they are great tools of entertainment, but art is another subject.
>>319847224
Agreed, both we both would know the answer.
>>319847264
You may have a point.
>my city celebrates this man every year
>>319844332
Neither art is videogames
>>319844332
A coffin can be thankfully
>>319847854
>What would be the purpose of that sculpture?
Someone wanted to make it so they did. Other people pay to look at it. Sounds an awful lot like video games.
>How is it useful for humanity?
How are video games?
>>319848092
>How are video games?
They are entertainment, Art isn't entertainment but a form of expression.
>>319846192
Talk shit, get hit nigga
>>319848186
Kill yourself.
>>319848186
But they aren't useful for humanity.
And how are they not a form of expression? Every hot new video game to come out this year has some idea the creators wanted to express
How are The Witcher books art but The Witcher games not art?
>>319848186
Games are still vehicles for expression, though. The designers can develop and craft a story, essentially using the narrative of the game to express themselves. There are other visual elements included, too.
>>319848186
i guess i'm always suffering when looking at something
>>319848186
Tell me something. Do you consider literature art?
>>319844332
Neither are movies desu
The only arts are visual, musical, and textual
Mixing ruins them
>>319848380
>they aren't useful for humanity.
Drop that word out then, they still serve a purpose, which is to entertain.
>And how are they not a form of expression? Every hot new video game to come out this year has some idea the creators wanted to express
They still require interactivity by the player, at that point it becomes an activity, a play, a game, not a pure form of expression like a painting or a song in which take espectator is not required to take part but to apreciate it.
>>319844332
>toys can't be art
Oh wait, they can. And video games are toys. So video games can be art.
What upsets old faggots like him(?) is that software doesn't depreciate/age the same way hardware does, ontop of being easily replicated. It's value is fixed till the end of time, and trying to supersaturate the value is futile.
He was a fat jew and didn't see any value in video games. He didn't care about art.
>>319848340
Sorry to bring your delusions down, too bad you are so insecure you think videogames should be considered art to be great, which isn't the case.
>>319848972
Actually you should kill yourself because you fail to understand art, entertainment, AND expression.
Literature is art. It is also entertainment and expression. Video games are the same exact way. I'm sorry you don't understand that there is more to video games than platformers and first person shooters, but that's not my problem. Maybe try playing some actual good games for once in your life and you'll understand why they can be considered art.
>>319844332
i bet he never played a game in his life
>>319844332
It's art until it suits my argument against SJWs
>>319848186
>art isn't a form of entertainment
Kill yourself.
>>319848186
fuck it, I'll bite
Nothing can be art by that definition. Entertainment is something that entertains. If you're entertained by a movie, it's not art. If you're entertained by a book, it's not art. If you're entertained by a picture, it's not art.
>>319846153
Well, uh, Tetris was a product of the, uh, Bolshevik Revolution, which was artistic as well as political. The dadaists were very aware of what went into a quality video game.
>>319848730
The game is still a form of expression. The developers set the rules of the world, and you have to abide by them. You're interacting with the ideas and concepts that the developers designed.
Technically speaking, literature also requires a level of interaction. You have to interpret the content that you're reading.
In other words, according to your definition, books and movies are not art, and most people consider those two art, myself included.
Art is way too subjective.
Why did they pick garbage like Skyrim, anyway?
>>319848186
LITERALLY ALL THE CLASSICAL ARTS ARE FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT YOU TWAT
This is what real art is guys. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4v5Zd2FbFk
art
ɑːt/
noun
noun: art; plural noun: arts; plural noun: the arts
The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
There is one definition of art.
Art: Anything made using human the human imagination and creativity.
People seem to think that something simple can't be art. Art has nothing to do with having a message, or making you think. Do you think the Mona Lisa, one of the most popular works of art in the world, has a secret, deep message? It's a painting of a woman, that's it.
