Ryu's light/heavy system should be added to every character for 5mash. Would be a nice way to make 5mash a actual development on the series as well as allowing for more combos. plus Ryu is fun as fuck to play
I agree, and adding a casual mode that removes said inputs for casuals (aka /v/) would be perfect
but that wont happen
I like playing as Ryu but every once in a while I'll jump and try to Bair but it comes out as a Tatsumaki and I wind up throwing myself offstage for the SD. This is the only problem I have with him. I know it's probably just me fucking up but goddammit I wish I could stop.
Why? No one uses his inputs since they put him at a disadvantage.
>>319794982
>no one uses Ryus inputs
Scrub detected
Also I'm talking about hi light/heavy system he has for his normal attacks.
>>319795132
They just slow down the game.
You'd love Brawl Minus Pichu
>>319794376
his instant shield parry is really useful and once the pros master him he will move up in tiers I think
>>319795327
The fact you can kill at 90% by jab>t.shoryuken is enough to really push him up
>>319794376
EVERY character? I don't know, you'd lose what made Ryu unique. Then again, it's a pretty good idea.
Gameplay-wise, I hope they add these to the next Smash:
>grab-teching
>more advanced move options
>air dashes
>some kind of new special attack where if you press 'normal' and 'special' at the same time, you get a new attack
>air throws maybe?
Also for Ryu, I hope they remove the command inputs on the 'normal' button and keep them on the 'special' button only, since it's way too easy to do something you didn't mean to do.
>>319794376
Sakurai and the modern Smash fanbase don't want depth. They want it to be a item chucking shallow button masher with absolutely no depth possible. Expect Ryu to get big nerfs.
No. That's Ryu gimmick. That's like wanting other characters to have Pikmins or a Power Meter
>>319795327
How is the shield parry useful? I thought it was just cosmetic.
>>319795179
yeh your right, let me turn on items too to make the game even faster
>>319795709
it lets you punish a move before your opponent is even finished their attacking animation.
>>319795824
Seriously?
Huh. Seemed weird that it wouldn't have any real use.
>>319794376
I thought the same thing when he was out anon. Maybe even have some alternate specials hidden in more characters Ryu got and Samus already had for her side special.
If this becomes a regular discussion then maybe their's a chance. It would really add to the game.
>>319795610
So why doesn't Sakurai just make it a Mario Party reskin then and save the effort of making all the animations and coming up with hitboxes?
>>319794376
Give it anywhere from 6 months to a year and Ryu is gonna start winning majors
literally the most potential of Sm4sh characters
>>319796160
>what is smash tour
>>319795505
Also, giving certain characters who are the closest thing to grapplers, like Ganondorf and Bowser, command grabs like Ryu's special command inputs, would be great.
>smashbabies would rather play a character from SF in Smash than an actual SF game
>>319796160
Anon... that already happened
>>319796421
>people who like X would like to play X
yes
>>319796421
It's true, Ryu is baby tier in SF but he is the most complex in Sm4sh
I want Gen in Smash
>>319796421
It happens with every crossover. How many MvC Morrigan players actually play Darkstalkers?
>>319795327
How is his perfect shield any different than any other perfect shield? He just has the 3S parry SFX.
>>319796357
>tfw DK will never have a command grab
Side-B is fine but I'd rather have a command grab to make DK a real ass grappler, Cargo throw combos are already sick
>>319795505
>grab teching
As in, a way to break grabs right as they grab you?
Oh God please do this for shield grabs!
>>319796973
That's a good idea, also they should give DK a barrel throw as a custom move.
I was thinking a little while ago about Smash and grapplers, how some of the heavies were practically Smash's equivalent to traditional fighting game grapplers, and what Sakurai could do to make them stand out more. Then I realize: true command grabs.
Hell fucking yes. You could even give them command grabs tied to the grab button in addition to the special button.
>>319796160
Yeah man, what's next, Smash Bros Angry Birds Mode?
shit wait i was joking oh god
>False is so much of a scrub he can't true shoryuken reliably
kek
>>319797527
>also they should give DK a barrel throw as a custom move.
I never really liked the idea of giving DK a projectile of sorts because Sakurai designed him as a close ranged brawler type of character, like Zangief. It'd be like if Haggar had a shotgun in MVC3 or something.
>>319795824
>>319795905
That's literally what a perfect shield is, you fucking scrublord. All characters can do this, it just depends on whether or not they have the frame data on their one of their attacks as to whether or not the punish will actually work.
>>319797958
>>319797958
The barrel only makes sense though
>>319797994
I thought you meant a use beyond any other's perfect shield.
>>319797527
He has it in Minus and it's glorious. Bowser is pretty much Zangief in that game too.
>>319795132
how does it feel to not know what you're talking about?
>>319798082
>The barrel only makes sense though
Not him but what about his Coconut Gun from DK64?
>>319796357
Both of their side-B's are literal command grabs. They just are way different from what the genre usually offers.
>>319794982
Get out. Now.
>true combo drom u/d light tilt
>kills around 70%, even without rage
Ye. Totally not worth it.
>>319798143
Any good Ryu uses shakunetsu in the neutral game. And input Shoryuken has i-frames and kills much earlier than up B
The fuck are you smoking?
>>319798210
Not a bad idea either.
>>319798457
Not good enough.
>>319794884
Yeah sometimes I avoid playing Ryu because of this
>>319798691
I meant to quote the guy that said no one used inputs. I suck dicks.
>>319794982
>>319794376
>implying Ryu's moveset wasn't an experiment for just such a thing
>>319795505
you just described Project M Lucario almost exactly senpai
>>319794884
>>319798845
>>319795505
Same here. I think the problem with this is that in any other "traditional" fighting game with Ryu he always fixes himeslf to automatically face the opponent, where as he doesn't do this in Smash, thus making it easier to accidentally throw a move you didn't want to when Smash is a lot more varied in moves and aerial compared to other games that are more stiff and grounded. Ryu's fun to play just to try out and land a Shoryuken or two but he quickly becomes just frustrating to play unless you really master his technicality.
>>319796560
I'd love to see smash slowly get more and more complex characters added until they just can't do it on the control scheme anymore.
Put Geese Howard in Smash
>>319794376
The whole reason why Smash has been so successful is because it's easy to pick up and play.
Not implying that Ryu is too complex for the average scrub, but simplicity is what sells this game, and I don't think as many people would have fun if every character had Ryu commands.
>>319794982
Just because you can't do his Shoryuken input doesn't mean no one else does.
>>319800486
This.
As much as we hate the man for it, Hackurai wants his game to be as accessible as possible for the average scrub/casual. From a design philosophy, getting more and more complex/technical will appeal to smaller and smaller dedicated groups of players ultimately turn off newcomers with a high skill ceiling.
>>319794376
So how is Ryu and his half real fighting movements in Smash?
>>319794884
Use c-stick for aerials
>>319801102
He's fun.
He makes every other character feel half-finished.
>>319800486
>>319800904
To be honest, I'd love for inputs like Ryu has and if anything the way light/heavy attacks work here are the best middle ground for newcomers between stuff like Smash and 6-button fighters.
However I'm certain that the competitive audience is very much a small-scale consideration in Nintendo's and Sakurai's mind in terms of sales and design, outside of game rebalances. Even then it's more from FG trends than anything else I presume.
>>319796786
REKT
Can you not do 2 low shorts into input Shoryu?
>>319802473
You can.
>>319802473
You can. You can cr.lk>cr.lk>mp>dp for a good amount of damage. Most moves can be followed up by input dp. Kills at pretty low percentages as well. Plus FADC gives you advanced movement opt options against zoning characters, and input tatsu can actually dodge projectiles if timed right.
>>319798210
Diddy's already got his pea shooter, how would they make dk's gun stand out?
Does Up B also have invulnerable frames on both inputs?
>>319803279
Up B doesn't, input shoryu does
>>319794982
You realize that if you input his specials like in street fighter they are more powerful, don't you? Or are you really this much of an ignorant fucktard?
>>319796786
None because Darkstalkers aredead ;.;
>>319795327
well every character can do the same, Ryu only have the parry sound as an aesthetic. and about the tier, he is already high on the list and all I see in the future is him getting higher, here is the 2 best ryu players that i have seen so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuaC5Q5INw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPz0fUvPB4g
>>319794376
Strings are faggy and are only appropriate for Ryu. They never really added anything to fighting games. I prefer Smash's system of just doing a template that every character follows.
Smash already has a based light-heavy system, which is tilts to smashes.
>>319806640
Not really. Ganondorf's up-smash would be a light attack and his up tilt a heavy one by the regular definition.
>>319794982
Input Shoryu is one of the best kill moves in the game.
OP isnt talking about the SF inputs though
>>319806852
Yeah, you're right. We also have Megaman's case.
>>319807305
Wait how is MM like that at all?
>>319809156
Up tilt is significantly stronger than Up Smash
His combos can be n-aired effortlessly by most of the cast because SHIT KUR RAI forgot to add hitstun to them.
If anyone uses n-air on Jiggly puff immediately after being hit by her low knock back moves. You are a fucking faggot who didn't earn that read but just got rewarded for being bad.
If you tech falcons D-air and immediately start jabbing him you are a faggot.
If you play as Luigi, Mario or Yoshi you are a braindead scrub who relives on pressing A to escape combos instead of playing careful and not getting comboed in the first place.
>>319795708
>Power Meter
with some tweaking to the final smash mechanic you could actually introduce them as something like the hypers in MvC
>>319811910
>If you tech falcons D-air and immediately start jabbing him you are a faggot.
To be fair, if you play as Falcon at all you are a faggot by default
