Been seeing a bunch of threads about Super Mystery Dungeon lately, lots of people claiming it is up there for possible GOTY candidates etc. Now, I only played the original mystery dungeon. Is this one worth picking up? Why / why not?
>>319763826
>pokemon past gen 1
>worth picking up
It's really not that good.
7/10 at best.
>>319763909
edgy
>>319763826
It's really that good. 9/10 at worst
The story kinda sucks
It's pokemon so don't expect much
The story is not as great as Sky, but it isn't to bad. The gameplay is really fun and makes this game awesome and 100% is fairly entertaining.. Also has really great music too. My definite GOTY
There is really no reason not to pick it up.
>>319765162
Meant to say 100%ing the game is entertaining.
Its pretty good. The dialogue goes too long and the genre as a whole is a bit on the autistic side so you need to know what you're in for, but I'm really enjoying it for the most part. Kind of a surprise gem.
>>319763826
Do you like roguelikes/mystery dungeon games?
Do you like Pokemon?
If the answer is yes get it.
Roguelikes are pretty niche. The earlier PMD games were extremely low-rated for that reason, as most people got it because it said Pokemon on the cover and instead got a challenging dungeon crawler with heavy resource management. This one has been better received due to roguelikes being less niche due to the indie wave.
Pros:
>It's quite a difficult game, way more than previous entries in the series. Pretty well balanced.
>Higher emphasis on item usage than previous games
>Looplet/Emera system is absolutely fantastic and encourages exploration of every floor even if you've found the stairs. Them being temporary upgrades makes the game more roguelikey in a good way.
>More moves are ranged compared to previous games, adding more strategy to encounters
>All starter Pokemon start off with some egg moves and type coverage. You have some fun stuff to play around with instead of just Tackle + one STAB move for most of the game.
>best music in the series and a fantastic soundtrack in its own right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuKnzJLoHU (wait for 0:30)
It's a solid 8.5/10 game and a worthy purchase for me. I think it'll be impossible to go back to earlier games in the series after playing this one.
>>319765519
>Music Link
>"That better be fire island"
>It is
You alright anon
>>319765030
i've got just about everything else pokemon related so I think i'll live
It's alright. Second best PMD after Explorers of Sky overall. The core gameplay is the best, with lots of good changes or additions, but there's also lot of little things missing or changed in comparison to past games that may bug some people who played them. They also promote 100%-ing the game a lot more, but the issue there is it's now clearly possible to 100% the game. I think the story is legit bad too which is a shame since all the past games are generally thought to have pretty enjoyable stories.
It's still like an 8.5/10 though.
>>319765519
Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky absolutely killed it when they came out. Best Pokemon spinoffs that came out in a great time for Pokemon spinoffs.
>>319765998
>>319765162
>>319764857
>story is bad
Not at all. I think when people say this they really mean to say the atmosphere is worse. Which it is: the guild in Sky feels bigger and more alive than the Expedition Team in Super, and being a novice explorer feels cooler than being a kid going to school. But as far as the actual story goes, Super surpasses Sky. Let's be honest, the betrayal in Sky was pretty fucking obvious becausewow the scary looking Ghost type was the bad guy, just like the last game, and the cool mysterious Pokemon was really the good guy.
The only thing Sky has going for it over Super is that Sky's 'everyone's an adventurer!' atmosphere was way better than SMD's.
SMD's twists are far better
>implying you saw that betrayal coming
fuck this game is hard as my bf dick in the morning
>>319766585
i kinda hate how the final boss is necron from FF9 just appears out of no where maybe the last few chapters actually builds up to it, he is also a bit cheep your eventually fucked unless you bought at least 15 revive seeds with you, although the twists in the story did get me good
>>319766585
I didn't say bad, I said just not brilliant. It could have been better.
You are right, it is the atmosphere though, you felt more comfy in the guild then the society. I think the story was just rushed before you could feel like you were a part of the society and things. There should have been more filler content getting you more close to the guild and more towns people.
I hope the next Mystery Dungeon game is in a whole new world because I don't want every character referencing a previous one. I want new characters.
>>319766585
I have a lot more issues with the awful pacing and everything afterleaving the Voidlandseither feeling poorly explained, making little sense, or having no real point to it but to get a rise out of the player.
The "betrayal" in Super was way better than Explorers's, but really you don't have to try much to be better than Explorer's with how fucking telegraphed that was.
what kinda expression is this?
>>319763826
It's perfect
Best Gameplay yet and Connection Orb system is nice. The music it 10/10 too.
>>319767470
Looks like the face you'd make when Nurse Audino says its penis inspection day.
>>319767276
>awful pacing
Try replaying Sky. It's just as slow.
goty
>>319767986
The only problem I have with the scarves is that on so many starters they look like mustaches.
>>319768057
They're great.
I get to take creative liberties
>>319767892
Explorers at least trickles to you important story elements and new characters at a healthier pace. Super meanders much more, and it doesn't help that almost all of the character introduced in the village become completely irrelevant after leaving it. Then not enough time is spent with the new cast in the town to really get attached to them, either.
>>319768435
They did real well with the partner thoughand the whole void bitedge of my chair in that chapter
>>319768435
You can also say that it uses it to its advantage. Super tries to do something different; you're not part of a cohesive unit from beginning to end, but rather fledgling adventurers who want to achieve greatness but still not quite there. You spend a lot of time just being kids, well, so that it's established that 'this is your life'. Your partner repeatsherself endlessly about howshewants to join the Expedition Society, but because you're both just kids that can't happen.
When you leave the village, you're setting off on a long journey and you know you're really leaving something behind. You're making a sacrifice to achieve your dream. Now you might not prefer it to being an explorer from the start but at least Super wasn't trying to rehash Sky.
It's a great roguelike but a mediocre Pokemon game. Like people have said before, it feels like it was developed by people who didn't entirely grasp what Pokemon was (or care).
>>319769160
wot
how so
>>319769160
>Like people have said before, it feels like it was developed by people who didn't entirely grasp what Pokemon was (or care).
What? Who said that? That's entirely untrue.
All the moves, even the specific abilities, have translated into the Mystery Dungeon formula pretty well. Type effectiveness is still very important. In fact I think the Pokemon formula gives this Mystery Dungeon more depth than any of the other MD games like Shiren or Torneko simply because of the length and breadth of all the Pokemon, moves, types, abilities, etc. and sheer variety and room for customization.
>>319768057
>implying Mustachowott doesn't rock this the best
>>319768947
I personally would've rather they decided "fuck the adults, we'll make our own Expedition Society" and dragged in the school kids.
Really though, my only major issue with early on is an after-the-fact thing with everyone from the start being pushed to the side, and the amount of time spent with the new cast didn't feel like enough to get me to care about them. Otherwise I just think a lot of plot developments near the end were dumb.
Connection orb is a shitty mechanic and it's tiring to see the same fucking animation over and over.
>>319769160
lmao even if it's a mediocre game it's the best Pokemon game to come out from Gen 6.
>>319770250
Connection Orb is nice for recruiting, but they should've still had a Bulletin Board too. And we should've been able to nickname recruits.
Fuck all the "GREAT JOB" and "CONNECTED" animations though, I hate that shit.
What team did you use, /v/?
>>319771659
that one
>>319771659
totodile/fennekin here
Actually worked out really well, psybeam and ember were great at helping me beat out enemies from a distance and letting totodile get in close and start chomping away.
>>319771659
Torchic + Piplup
>>319771659
Chespin/Fennekin
Chespin is an absolute god in this game. Arguably he's more easymode than other starters but using Rollout and Pin Missile is so much fun.
It's good, not as good as Sky but good. It has the best soundtrack of the series and focuses more on roguelike elements like removing IQ but adding their equivalents that can be found in dungeons.
If I had three main complaints they would be:
1. Notice board was removed. Because the everyday jobs aren't randomized anymore the game is much less replayable. Also less ways of getting money and items
2. To incentivize using the Pokemon recruited from the connection orb and to balance shared EXP your leveling speed has been nerfed into the ground. It would have been better if you only recruited first and second evolutions at an average level for the main game and had leveling speed increased to compensate
3. The way the difficulty increased. Replaying Sky I noticed that enemies can still kill your in 2-3 hits and you could 1-2 shot them. In this game it makes it so they kill you in 1-2 and you take 2-4 because your accuracy is shit. Also because you lost IQ skills and need to rely on finding the right enema there's less progression and much more RNG than previous games. Also I'm not quite done the main storyline but I hear that in the postgame enemies can use Orbs and Wands and I'm just imagining an enemy with a Stayaway wand absolutely ruining your day.
>>319772909
The shared EXP actually worked fine in Gates, so I don't even get why they made leveling slow as molasses this time.
Them tying accuracy to speed was pants on head retarded, though.
>>319773289
>tfw x2 exp unknown and heatwave on that one isle
ty based phox
>>319771659
Tepig + Bulbasaur MasterRace here
>>319770540
The only aspect of this game who saddens me is that the recruit system is fucked up, the connection orb should have stayed as BB and nothing else, that's the only and biggest flaw of this game, if it weren't for that this would have surpassed Explorers.
>>319774316
I'd rather the Orb than the old recruit methods, but they should've had the board too.
>>319771659
Charmander/Bulbasaur
http://strawpoll.me/6198978/
>>319775083
The orb, doesn't let you full control of the training of all your Pokemon, not to mention the occasional unavailable mon, it pisses me off, and on top of that they level up your mons.
Sky recruit system is God tier, and on top of that it even have eggs, I'm sorry but having 1 of each species isn't for me.
>>319763981
7/10 is considered a good score. :v
>>319775645
I like it because you don't have to rely on RNG to recruit, though only one of each does suck. The other systems are their own issues, not because of the Orb itself.
>>319775584
>http://strawpoll.me/6198978/
bunnel btfo
Who here is getting their ass kicked byYvetalin the Primevil Forest? God damn, nothing in this game has been challenging up until this point. Fucker and its goons wipe out my team in a single turn practically. What am I supposed to do here?
>>319776150
surround wand
or light screen
>>319776150
alliance attacks
reviver seeds
stun seeds
time
patience
git gud
>>319763909
Holy KEK! I'm LOVIN' this MEME! GREAT meme, SIRE!
http://strawpoll.me/6173810/
>>319775964
I don't even remember Bunnelby doing anything of note.
>>319776150
I remember dying the first time but I think the second I just abused items more making sure they were out of it while the AI took care of them otherwise.
This game will spoil you.
If you go back to previous entries, you'll find exactly how much has changed for the better.
>>319763909
> Le 1st Gen is the only good Gen because it's the first one and I saw a post about it on Tumblr
Fuck off, Pikachu can't be the mascot forever
>>319771659
Tepig and Chespin cause I like them
Shame that like 5 hours in I realized they would end up to both be Fighting but oh well
>>319776150
Ampharos was a godsend in that battle. Not only could he tank Oblivion Wing but he can easily deal SE damage too.
>>319771659
Same as I always took, Mudkip and Chikorita.
Bullet Seed was incredibly helpful in past games. But it's no longer a TM.
>>319776661
>dedenne being beat by swirlix
???
I'm running piplup+snivy and having a great time. Just did the second climb to revelation mountain and it was a huge pain in the dick.No I didn't see it coming
test
>>319763826
MEH. It's GOTY if all you play are pokemon games.
>>319778079
whats you goty, anon
>>319778079
I'm an avid Pokemon player yet my GOTY is MH4U, being this a close second.
>>319778289
3U was better
>Most difficult, rewarding and strategic game of the year is a Pokemon spinoff
What went right?
>>319776721
Every game has its improvements and failures, I'd say
>Rescue Team is the most unpolished but everything works, and the post-game keeps you strung along through all the content with tiny sprinkles of story
>Explorers has the most content and variety overall, but IQ is a huge grind now and the Enigma Shard system put a damper on legendary collecting
>Gates has tons of QOL improvements and some of the extra stuff is neat, but dumbs some things down too much and is sorely lacking in content
>Super probably has the best core gameplay and incentives to 100% but feels a bit too rigid and doesn't feel like it lets you experiment as much as past games
>>319775584
>Mawille not on the list
>>319779041
>>319775584
>>319776661
Disregard that
>>319778427
Ok, now I know I'm getting baited.
>>319766585
The pacing was beyond terrible and the partner was annoying as fuck, not to mention he grabs your spotlight and never gives it back. Your complains about Sky are also true.
All in all, best PMD story is Gates.
>>319768435
I can live with slow starts if the characters are good. Explorers's characters were weak as shit outside of the episodes, and most of the Super ones we meet in the village become completely irrelevant after you leave, rendering all their characterisation efforts completely pointless.
>>319772505
Wait is rollout actually good in this game? I remember it being absolute trash in sky
>>319779421
Most of the cast of Explorers are weak outside of the Episodes, but at least they try to stay relevant.Gates has the best cast.
>>319779170
Really. 4U's new monsters are ass except for seltas, 1st+2nd gen monsters are downgrades except for tigrex, apex is shit mechanic, music is unmemorable compared to 3U, locations look worse. I liked 4U but I definitely enjoyed 3U alot more.
>>319779729
Problem with the guild in particular us that considering how much time we spend with them, they don't really do much at all. Would have helped a lot if they guest starred a lot more in story missions.
>Gates has the best cast.
Mah niggah
>>319779626
Are you kidding? Multi-hit moves rape face and are absolutely ridiculous sinc ehtey're just as powerful as normal attack but hit multiple times.
>>319779852
Then what you said is subjective, MH4U is better than 3U on every aspect, I own both and I know what I'm talking about, vertical combat is singlehandedly the best mechanic ever introduced in the game, monsters weren't tunned down, in fact they are better than their original games is just that the verticality makes look like if you were cheating, 3U has it's merits but nothing that 4U didn't do better.
>>319779870
Really, how I'd say Explorers' cast is better than Super is rather than like in Super where they spend half the game focusing on characters that end up totally irrelevant, Explorers ends up not really focusing on characters that end up not really relevant.Gates does it the best by having relevant characters that actually have the time needed given to them.
>>319780520
>I own both and I know what I'm talking about
and I dont? Aerial attacks were fun but they didn't fix what was bad about the game.
>>319780807
Did l say it did it?
I mentioned vertical combat as a great mechanic but it didn't fix a lot of troubles that the game has, what I said and stand is that 3U was excellent but 4U is outstanding.
>>319780658
Looking back on them, I might even go as far as to say Gates had the best story. Now it suffered from forgetting 'show, don't tell' and it was a little rough round the edgesthough still better than Super's awkwardly paced and messy plotand while in many ways it's weaker than Explorers, but when it came down to it, I cared more about Gate's story because I cared more about the characters.
>>319780059
Maybe it was just me but I remember it having low accuracy and unlike other multi hit moves it stops when you miss. I barely could get it to hit more then twice if at all
>>319781670
Basically how I'd put it. Explorers probably has the better core story, but Gates makes up for it with a better cast that helps you care more about the story.
>>319782070
Nobody is better than Kamina-mon.
>>319781929
it does stop if you miss, but it still usually hit twice and when it hit more than that it was basically a guaranteed kill.
>>319764025
>>319776658
>>319776763
Why do people like to pretend that they have refined taste for hating the ever living fuck out of gen 1? Seriously, it's autistic.
>>319782439
Maybe they buffed the accuracy in sky but in time it didn't hit 2+ times enough to be worth it and a first turn miss could mean death in some if the later dungeons
>>319782883
blame the autistic genwunners.
Aspergers is contagious you know
>>319779626
Rollout fucking destroys
>getting all five hits and doing 150 damage in one turn in early 20's unboosted
>tfw having Power Boost X and Y and doing 40 damage per hit and not missing due to the set's accuracy boost.
Rape train has no brakes
>>319783150
>genwunners
You're just as autistic.
You can't handle the fact that normies once loved your beloved "baby's first RPG"?
Are you telling me you didn't enjoy gen 1 when it was new?
Grow up.
>>319783527
projecting
>>319782883
this has nothing to do with gens, its an entirely different kind of games, that's why its irrelevant and thus stupid genwunner behaviour
>>319783527
>Are you telling me you didn't enjoy gen 1 when it was new?
Not the one you replied to, just something I have to say. Not everyone started with Gen 1.
>>319783941
Dude, the guy was just being ironic. You guys took the bait because you can't sense sarcasm over the internet.
>>319784357
Can't trust genwunners anon. They're always serious untill someone points out what shitters they are, then they were just epikly trollin
Why do the characters say their name is their species? It's weird. What's the point in introducing if others already know what pokemon they are? It's fucking lazy.
>>319784245
Doesn't matter. It was the first in the series, so it's obviously aged.
Doesn't mean they're the worst games ever made.
>>319784573
Is everyone in this thread an aspie or what? Oh, wait. It's a pokemon thread. Never mind. Should've known better.
I only played one of the original games for the DS, how does it compare?
Did they improve enough with the move to the 3DS or should I just get one of the other DS titles that came out?
>>319785360
This was my first Mystery Dungeon game since Explorers of Time (though I also played Rescue Team Blue, which is probably what you played) and I felt like it improved a lot, gameplay-wise. If you liked Rescue Team you should like this, but if you're strapped for cash just pirate Explorers. In fact, do that anyway.
Explorers will always be the best, but Super gives it a run for its money
also I needed an excuse to use this shit I made on my phone
>>319784915
Probably some sort of TPC laws where the Pokemon need to be referred to as their species if it's not player inputted, I'm pretty sure the anime hasn't used nicknames in generations either.
I wish in PMD though they'd just have them have a given name, then their species their "last name" and have both show up in the name part of the text box.
This is the first PMD game i've played and i'm enjoying it so far. Still get pretty pissed when I get randomly one shot by a Pokemon with fury swipes or a move that work like it.
Once I unlearned bad habits from the main Pokemon games like never using items I'm starting to have a good time.
Solid 8/10 and I'm like 70% through.
>>319785637
>>319785638
Alright, I'll probably just try to get Explorers relatively cheap. I really need some new mobile games since I commute daily, that should do nicely.
>>319785886
I'm getting the game soon and have to ask, if you name yourself and your partner after your species (i.e. if you pick Pikachu you name yourself "Pikachu"), and then you decide to evolve, does your name change to reflect your species change or would you be a Raichu named Pikachu?
>>319786935
Your name stays the same but you can change it at anytime from the title screen anyways.
>>319787019
Oh, that works just as well. Another question, do you and your partner lose all their personality and/or animations when they evolve?
>>319787206
You lose the sleeping animation at base but you still have multiple portraits at least.
After the epilogue though, when you can evolve, NPC's never change and there's no more story, so it doesn't matter much. The only dialogue either gets after that point other than the usual mid-dungeon dialogue is the one line from your partner when you talk to them that it's a great day to go on an expedition. But at least they look happy saying it.
>>319787537
>you still have multiple portraits at least.
That's perfectly fine (though why not use your sleep animation from being put asleep from dungeons? That was always something that bugged me about Explorers). I probably won't evolve anyway because to my understanding you get one of every Pokémon and evolving fucks that up, but I really like that they put effort into making evolving less bittersweet.
>>319787790
In Gates and Super the dungeon sleeping animation is usually just being hunched over stand-sleeping rather than properly lying down or sitting on the ground sleeping. So they can't just recycle it, though they do just stand still rather than walk in place like Explorers so it's easier to pretend they just woke up a bit before the fade-in.
>>319787790
You get one of every Pokemon PLUS your starter and partner, so no matter what you do you'll always have two duplicates of something (assuming you recruit 'em all). Evolving the Pokemon you recruit fucks things up, but you're free to do whatever you want with your starters.
>>319771659
I just used what it gave me, Mudkip and Chimchar
having my hyper, spastic partner be a monkey turned out to be pretty fitting
>>319771659
chespin/mudkip
>>319771659
Turtwig and Totodile, from the personality testI named my partner after Chopper from Ace Combat 5Bad idea
>>319771659
Charmander MC with Mudkip partner.
>>319783527
Genwunner isn't
>I like Gen1
it's
>I hate everything that came after Gen1
There's a difference in autism anon.
>>319763826
I bought Time and it seems to not really care about its own mechanics.
>look for new tasks on the bulletin
>recruit new pokemon
Then after the halfway point:
>fuck you two partners only
>fuck you no recruiting
>fuck you no missions
>fuck you rock pokemon only.
It's so boring now, why did they do this?
>>319793542
All the games do this at certain points of the story, though Gates gives you Companion Mode so you can go off and do those things in the middle of those story stretches. Super's Pelipper Island is similar, but restricts you more in some ways.
>>319793892
But what's the point of recruiting anyone if they don't let you use them for half the game? I can't imagine anyone enjoys the story stretches.
>>319794567
People usually consider them the highlights.
>>319794567
They don't let you use them for half the game because then the story wouldn't make any sense.
They kept recruiting in because collecting Pokemon is a core principle of the franchise.
>>319785010
>It was the first in the series, so it's obviously aged.
There are plenty of series where the first installment is not completely outdone by the later ones, and even more series where the first installment is not a buggy, unpolished, hilariously unbalanced mess.
The postgame in this game is so fucking boring, there are like 50 different dungeon and they are all the same, and everytime you rescue new Pokémon you have to go through that dinner/wake up/pick next missione bullshit, even picking multiple mission at once still make this a chore
>>319763826
The story is hot garbageand anyone thinking otherwise is either still in highschool or hasn't read a book since thenbut the gameplay is fun and works well both in short stints and longer sessions
