>Aerith
>Not Aeris
Why the change? I never understood that.
Aeris was a mistranslation.
It isn't hard to understand.
>>319739565
Because Aeris was the result of a shit translation.
>"this guy are sick!"
>>319739565
Translation was bad. Just like non emo cloud was a mistranslation.
>>319739638
No it wasn't faggot.
Thank fuck they can fix this shit in the remake.
>>319739638
>Aerisu to Aeris was a mistranslation
>Sefirosu to Sephiroth wasn't
Yep it's totally likely that the translators would accidentally forget to convert a playable character's su to th but remember to do it for the villain.
Earth faggots please leave.
>Attack when the tail is up!
>Not "Attack when the tail is down!"
>He are sick!
>>319739638
negative
Problem is, as evidenced in that picture, her name in Japanese is read as E-a-ri-su. It's not hard to see where the mistranslation came from, since for it to be Aerith it should have been E-a-ri-tsu.
>>319739565
japs can't speak english it figures
>>319739705
>>319739754
>>319739773
Square J had enough of a problem with it to tell them to change it, so obviously they didn't want it to be "Aeris"
>>319739754
Sephiroth is an actual term, it wasn't created just for FF7.
Just be sure to call her Aeriths.
Guaranteed to trigger both Aeris-fags and Aerith-fags.
>>319739830
They wanted it to be Aeris you newfag. Have you even played Final Fantasy 7 before?
>>319739565
Nips in charge of using sounds they don't even have.
>>319739754
"Sephiroth" is a thing in mythology
Aerith isn't
fucking dipshit
>>319739804
Why the fuck would a -th sound be written as tsu
>>319739565
Aeris>Aerith>Earisu>Earth
I love that the base of her name is 'earth', proves once and for all that she was always a dirty whore and a dirt-tier waifu.
>>319739638
>barret was supposed to be bullet
>cloud was supposed to be claude
>>319739842
This. They're the branches of the world tree in Jewish mythology.
>>319739917
Then why did S-J change it in the later games?
>>319739953
>Why the fuck would a -th sound be written as tsu
Because Japs don't have a "th" in their language and "tsu" is the common replacement for it. "Su" is the common replacement for "s", resulting in Aeris.
>>319740024
Because they only got it right the first time.
>>319740059
>tsu is the most common replacement for it
naa
>>319739953
>mythology
You know that's someone's religion, right?
You another faceless edgy atheist?
>>319739842
>>319739953
>>319739996
It still doesn't answer the question how you accidentally mistranslate arguably the main character of the game. Remember she is the first thing you see when you start a new game.
Also, there is no calling her "Aerith." That makes you sound like a retard with a lisp.
Either she's Aerisu, how they would pronounce her in Japanese, or she's Earth. It's one or the other. "Aerith" literally doesn't exist. It's retard speak.
Aerith really is a stupid name though. Who gives a shit if it was a mistranslation. I'm sorry, are Japanese people playing the english version of FF7? Ohh boy, better change so the name back to Aerith so they don't get confused.
Calling her Aerith is like calling her Aeris but with a faggy homo lisp.
>>319740024
because idiots assumed it was a misstranslation, like demonstrated itt, and they were the vocal minority... or majority - it's hard to know when it comes to this game's fans intellect
SE caved in because honestly, they don't give a fuck
>>319740024
does that mean squall is now leon? because that's the name he goes by in kingdom farts
>>319740059
Nah, su is used for th. That's why it's so confusing.
>>319740137
Nice quickmeme.
>>319740184
>they don't give a fuck
So why should you?
>>319740207
Squall is still Squall in actual Final Fantasy spinoff appearances like Dissidia, Aerith is not.
>>319739953
It's supposed to be earth, but the Japanese language literally does not have a "th" sound. There is no way to write it. So when spelled out in katakana it reads eh-ah-ri-su. Say it fast enough in a Jap accent and you can tell
>>319740175
Because FFVII is riddled with tons of mistranslations, not just Aerith.
Also it's Aerith, get the fuck over. It's Aerith in all of her incarnations. SU=TH in Japanese, deal with it faggot.
>>319740209
サンキュー
>>319740207
His name is Squall LEONhart.
I fucking hate threads like these created by dumb sub-human weeaboo niggers who think Aerith is her actual name.
sage
>>319740175
>It still doesn't answer the question how you accidentally mistranslate arguably the main character of the game
Because Aerith isn't a real word, and the translator's probably weren't given enough context to know how it should have been translated. It happens all the time.
>>319740386
>So why should you?
because I'm a fan of the original game and I don't like creators cave in for misguided retards
I mean, I doesn't keep me awake at night, but it's still a shame
>>319740175
>Aerith literally doesn't exist
Except in all iterations of the FF7 series that have an actually good translation?
>>319740495
>Aerith is someone more weeaboo than literally pronouncing her name in Japanese
>>319740495
FFVII: Aerith (Japanese), Aeris (English)
AC: Aerith
DoC: Aerith
CC: Aerith
KH: Aerith
KH CoM: Aerith
KH2: Aerith
Etc. you get the point. It's Aerith.
square doesn't know what they're doing. they themselves don't even know how to pronounce tidus
KH: https://youtu.be/IQLOazsVYoc?t=13s
KH 2: https://youtu.be/nacbhfnzZg0?t=16s
>>319740614
No, that isn't sufficient enough faggot. You have autism.
>>319739565
>People care and get angry over this mistranslated name purely because of nostalgia
I always rename her Aerith in the hopes it will trigger someone.
>>319740559
Dude, nobody questioned Aeris's name back when FF7 first launched. Everyone just took it as it is.
It wasn't until Square decided ON THEIR OWN that it should be Aerith.
Quit revising history.
>>319740559
>I don't like creators cave in for misguided retards
More like Square hired competent translators and you're just butthurt that it's not the same mistranslated name you remember from your childhood which was wrong in the first place.
They didn't cave to shit, they fixed their own shit.
>>319740714
you're mom doesn't care nigger
>>319740495
You're pretending to be in the pro-Aeris camp just to see some shitposting, or else you wouldn't have been that blunt about it.
>>319740714
I'm also going to name her Aerith in my current playthrough.
>>319739565
saving this topic as another easy way to trigger /v/
>>319740680
>>319740656
>English VO
dropped
unsubscribed
patreon chargedback
>>319740797
There wont be any naming in the Remake, it's going to be Aerith by default and that's what she'll be called in all cutscenes and for all copies.
>>319740723
>>319740715
the name ended with the equivalent of 'th' to phonetically force the japs to pronounce her name as 'aeris'
the translators knew what they were doing; it's you who are the morons
>>319740151
Well, I wasn't but then you said that and sounded a little too pissy about it so now I am.
I don't even know what religion it's related to but pretend I said something derogatory about it.
c'mon guyth thtop being thilly. her name ith aerith
>>319740898
>the name ended with the equivalent of 'th' to phonetically force the japs to pronounce her name as 'aeris'
Dude, what? Your logic is fucking astounding, worthy of a case study.
>autistic nostalgia fags wining about muh aeris
Aerith even sounds better you fags, go take a hike and if you like shitty translations you should just play the original.
psst...Jessie is better
>>319740898
Except, Japs can already pronounce Aeris without the need of the the equivalency.
Besides if that was the case, Square wouldn't have fixed her name in all games post-FFVII. You're wrong, just let it the fuck go.
>>319739638
This, FFVII had a shoddy translation work in general. Proof is that she is correctly named Aerith in all the related media afterwards.
Aerith sounds retarded and you're stupid if you say it like that
>>319741090
You mean Jessthie?
>>319740898
>the name ended with the equivalent of 'th' to phonetically force the japs to pronounce her name as 'aeris'
So in order to make them say something, they spelled it that way?
Is Earth actually Ears, but it's only spelled Earth to force us to say it like Ears right?
This is what you sound like, you're actually fucking retarded.
>>319740413
>>319740597
>HER NAME IS A MISTRANSLATION GUYS!
>THEY DIDNT KNOW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO TRANSLATE TO EARTH! (MOTHER EARTH GET IT HUR HUR)
>WAIT LET'S STILL CALL HER SOME RETARDED LISP SOUNDING MISHMASH BETWEEN MOONSPEAK AND ENGRISH.
Fucking retards. Including the morons over at Square who decided to stick to that retarded name.
>>319741218
>Yo mean Jethie?
ftfy
>>319741237
I'm so sorry that you don't get to control Final Fantasy 7
>>319741137
Nobody said it wasn't retarded, it's still the correct name though.
>>319741218
Not how that works, it's Jessie in Japanese, as it's a borrowed name.
>>319740715
>>319740715
>URG THOSE PESKY CREATORS THINK THEY KNOW HOW THE GAME SHOULD BE WE THE FANS KNOW BETTER THAN THEM ABOUT THEIR CHARACTERS AND NAMES!
>this fucking thread
Well done, OP
>>319741294
I'm so sorry that there are defections in the human gene sequence that result in the autism you were born with.
>Ruth
>not Rus
Why the change? I never understood that.
Reminder
th = s
deal with it
japanese can't speak for shit
>>319740409
If they wanted it to be Earth they would have used アース. Also if they were going for Ærth, they shouldn't have used エア, because that's not how Æ is pronounced.
>>319741309
The hypocrisy here is phenominal
>>319740181
And calling her Aeris is like calling her Aerith except you aren't actually saying her real name.
Sis es se wast sured an Fo-chan raito nao
>>319741757
I got only "nao"
>>319741237
Except her name doesn't mean Earth. Let me give you a bit of a language lesson.
Chikyū
Chi (Ji)
Tsuchi
Hahanarudaichi
Now let me give you further language lessons.
Her name was mistranslated because of loan words using the Katakana Alphabet. Since it lacks a "th" sound, su is typically used in place when dealing with loan words in this context. When no context is given for エアリス, then yes Aeris is the most logical translation, as ス is also commonly used to represent a "solo S" in addition to a "th.".
Now when given context, it is best to actively change it to "th", as the proper name. In the game's coding of FFVII, she is actually named Aerith, despite never being called this in the original version, and has been named this in all iterations since then. Bypassing the name selection/prompt, would actually default her name to Aerith even in the English Version as it's in the games coding. The 2012 PC version of FFVII also refers to her name as Aerith Gainsborough (as Gainsborough was also mistranslated as Gainsbourg), despite there being no actual in game fixes.
Her name is Aerith, let it go. The only time it can be used as Aeris is shoddy translation work and when there is literally no context at all, which is not how language works or speech patterns.
>>319741869
Yeah well, you're a fucking faggot.
>>319739565
Why Zidane and not Jitan?
Why Cid and not Shido?
Why Squall and Sukoru?
Why these stupid changes Square!?
FUCK YOU AND YOUR SHIT TRANSLATIONS!
>>319739989
Claude from star ocean is da best
>>319741090
>tfw all the Jessie porn thanks to the remake
>>319741218
No he meant Jeththie.
Her name is AERITH, you baka-gaijin! And this is the cast of FF6; Tina, Lock, Mash, and Stragus. I don't make the rules, deal with it
>>319742316
kek
If it was changed to Aerith to appease fans, then why isn't Barret, Bullet?
Checkmate Autists.
Lisps: 1
Nostalgia: 0
>>319739565
It should really be "The beginning of the end of Final Fantasy."
I grew up with it being Aeris and i'm stuck with calling her that. I like Aeris a bit more than Aerith but i dont hate Aerith. I wish for the remake you can pick which translation you want (it wont happen)
>>319739565
>Guy writes book
>Okay I'm going to name this character Bob
>You
>NO HIS NAME SHOULD BE BOBBY CAUSE I LIKE IT BETTER!
How you sound.
>>319739565
>>319739565
Because people make mistakes, OP
Sometimes even when they think they're fixing one.
>>319742316
Aerith is trans
>>319742737
Translated.
That's how we got into the mess.
>>319740207
>he wants to be called leon in KH
>everyone in the game still calls him squall anyway
>>319739705
>>319739754
>says Aerith right in the fucking manual for the JP copy
>b-but Aeris is correct!
I bet now you'll try to tell me that the Japanese have no idea how they want to express their characters' names in English so we shouldn't take this damning evidence against your position seriously.
>>319740175
>Also, there is no calling her "Aerith." That makes you sound like a retard with a lisp.
But Sephiroth is definitely not a lisp at all.
>Either she's Aerisu, how they would pronounce her in Japanese, or she's Earth. It's one or the other.
If you knew anything about Japanese, you'd know how dumb you sound right now.
エアリス is Earisu, and it sounds nothing like Earth, which if I had to guess would be transliterated as アース, because Japanese is a phonetic language.
Earisu is how we got Aerith, phonetically, but no "th" sound exists in Japanese language. It cannot be expressed accurately and "su" (hushed vowel) is the closest they can get.
This isn't hard to figure out, she's been Aerith in Japan the entire time.
It was a translation error. Get over it.
>>319740535
To be fair, it was romanized as Aerith in plain english in all the promotional material before it was localized. Were the translators living under a rock?
>>319741303
>it's Jessie in Japanese
Actually it's Jeshii because Japanese doesn't have a "see" syllable.
Similarly, Cid is Shido
I honestly want to know who Cloud's father is because christ
just having a last name of Strife is already meaningful name for him but then he gets Cloud and his name is literally an overly obvious foreshadowing
and his best friend was fucking Zack Fair, an optimistic every-dude that becomes a hero who has absolutely none of the emotional turmoil (besides over Angeal) that Cloud gets
All these fucking retards in here never played Crisis Core where they actually fixed the translation into Aerith.
Aeris is wrong motherfuckers.
>>319745225
You think they care? These are the people who think Aeris is the right name and everything afterwards is Square being wrong. It's literally fan headcanon over a name spelling and pronunciation.
>>319740207
He goes by Leon as a sort of penance for having been incapable of saving Radiant Garden.
As a character he's largely removed from the Squall we knew in FFVIII, and his traits and actions in KH have no bearing on the source material.
Much like the rest of the FF guests in KH.
>>319745225
She's been Aerith since Kingdom Hearts, which was her first appearance after FFVII.
Then she continued to be Aerith literally everywhere else.
The only time, the ONE time her name was ever transliterated as Aeris was in the FFVII localization, which as we allshouldknow was far from perfect.
>HUEHUE LISP LISP EKS DEE
Just like Sephiroth, Smith, Elisabeth, Ruth
>>319739732
Yeah, and now everyone can have a fucked up lisp whenever they say her name.
>>319740175
>It still doesn't answer the question how you accidentally mistranslate arguably the main character of the game.
You're talking about the same game that had shit like "Helletic Hojo" and "Safer Sephiroth". The translation and transliteration was so bad even some FF spin-offs make fun of it:
>Though able to command supernovas, this guy can't even spell his own name.
The FFVII you're so attached to is the retard version of the actual game. Better get used to it.
The creator of Final Fantasy intentionally made Aerith the most lovable, kind and sweetest girl in the story(the perfect girl in some way), so when she dies there's +999% critical hit in the Feels rendering you helpless as you curl up in the floor crying and realizing how powerless you are to her inevitable demise. Also there is a debuff called "Lingering Sorrow" when you hear Aerith's theme, making you question why dafuq are you feeling sad as fuck for a videogame character.
>no good dead flowergirl lewds
>every single thread about her on /v/ is just people sperging out over how to say her name
>>319744725
Except when you say it in Japanese it sounds like you are saying AERIS-u.
Even as an Aerithfag, I think Square would've been better off keeping it as Aeris just so they could've avoided all the confusion.
Either than or give FF7 a better translation already, considering how many times it's been rereleased and ported, and how FF1-6 were retranslated.
>>319744725
>I bet now you'll try to tell me that the Japanese have no idea how they want to express their characters' names in English so we shouldn't take this damning evidence against your position seriously.
Reminds me of eotena
>>319747484
>AERIS-u
No.
>>319747307
Then why don't you make a thread about her instead of crying about it?
>>319739989
Bullet = buretto
Claude = kurodo
>>319745409
The spelling can be both Aeris and Aerith, but it Japanese they don't saying TH. They say su. Aeris is closer to Aerisu when spoken.
>>319747195
>implying Aerith was given the proper time with which to form a proper bond with the player
>implying her characterization was strong enough that anyone liked her as anything more than a cute girl or useful healer
Aerith's death is memorable and noteworthy because FFVII was the first fuck-huge success in the mainstream for FF, and as such one of the first "big" protagonist deaths in video games.
Also, nobody was expecting it.
It was a shock death.
And really, outside of the very end where Aerith may or may not have willed the Lifestream to save the planet, she holds no actual importance to the story other than being an Ancient, which really just made her a target for Sephiroth to execute, and not much else.
I believe that she, like a handful of other characters who die in tragedy, was crafted specifically to die.
>>319747620
>all these opinions
The creators say they created her so you would like her and she is a well loved character to back it up.
Stop sperging.
>>319747613
It's not even Aerisu, it's Easiru, you fucking illiterate faggot.
>>319739565
It's the same with Fire Emblem and Marth. He was supposed to be Mars, like the god, which is infinitely cooler.
>>319747484
Someone doesn't understand hushed vowels.
The vowel almost completely disappears, it's actually really hard to convey that in text.
But I imagine you're familiar with "desu," and have heard it said. Unless they're being polite or just speak that way, it pretty much always sounds like "dess" because they hush the vowel for euphony.
>>319747729
>The creators say they created her so you would like her and she is a well loved character to back it up.
Yes.
She was crafted to die.
They wanted you to like her so that when she died you might care.
But when it comes to how that was actually expressed, it leaves something to be desired.
This isn't even the only time Square's done this.
>>319747620
>no time to for proper bond
>with the player
>muh opinion
Canon says she is Cloud's lover and friend. How's that for a bond? Also says she is engraved in his heart for the rest of his life. Also, he pines after her years after she dies
Don't tell me there was no bond with her motherfucker.
>>319747620
>no bond with player
yea, that's why people petitioned for her to come back to life so much square took notice
That's also why people still want her to come back to this day
Why don't you take those hot opinions of yours and post them in your blog?
>>319747848
マルス doesn't sound like Mars.
マーズ is how you transliterate Mars.
>>319748004
>the game tells me there's a bond so that means I feel it
No, that's not how you make a character that the player is meant to care about. You don't tell them they have to care, you show them why they should.
Hell, for the time she's around it doesn't really feel like even Cloud cares for her that much.
But once she dies, she was the light of his life and she was so great and everyone loved her.
I'll tell you when I DID care about Aerith.
Crisis Core.
She was cute, fun, had a glowing personality and meaningful interaction with Zack.
Also, she was given the spotlight quite a bit.
All of which was severely lacking or nonexistent in FFVII.And I played CC first so I already had this attachment to Aerith that pretty much disappeared because of how ill-utilized she was.
>>319748175
I would contend that it's nostalgia and they cared because they never thought that it'd be possible for her to die. So it's sudden and they have that attachment like something actually went missing.
I never played FFVII until years later, after everyone and their cat knew that Aerith died.
So perhaps my opinion is colored as a result. I wasn't able to be shocked by her death, emotionally manipulated into caring for her when I previously didn't.
To me, it was like "well fuck, there goes my healer."
>>319741090
Up until earlier this week I thought Jessie was a dude.
Aerith sounds dumb, never used that. It souns like a name of some demon lord.
Aeris sounds much better and feminine.
>>319748437
>cc first
>prefers cc aerith to fully developed 7 aerith
>knew she would die
>maybe that's why durr
>more hot opinions
I literally feel bad for you now, stop posting.
>>319748437
I played FFVII a decade before CC, but yeah, pretty much. Didn't care about her in VII, grew to like her after CC. In the original game I liked Yuffie more.
>>319748437
>doesn't feel like Cloud cares for her that much
Then you didn't fucking play the game. She is the only person he seems to actualy give a shit about for the time she's alive. He's very protective of her even calling himself her bodyguard and checking up on her telling her he's there for her etc.
>once she dies they love her
They already loved her, that's the point .That's why they are sad when she dies. Do you have autism?
>>319748785
>>319748437
She is literally a younger, not as developed version of herself in CC. She's scared and naive. In 7, she has her shit together, has streetsmarts and is much more of a personality.
Aerith is shit
>>319748829
To be fair, she has some interaction with Cloud, Tifa and that's pretty much it. If you put Yuffie or Vincent in your party the number of meaningful interactions with her dwindles to nearly zero.
>>319748829
this
Cloud actually worries about Aeris so much it gets annoying to people around him. Mainly Tifa and even Aeris herself.
>>319749015
She also interacts with Barret and Nanaki to name a few.
>vincent and yuffie
Nigger those are optional characters.
>>319748708
>fully developed 7 aerith
I would hardly call her fully developed when she dies 5 hours into a 30-hour game, where she doesn't even really have any standout moments.
Wasn't she originally planned to die later in the game? I feel like I heard that somewhere, and they moved it up to the end of Disc 1 to give the disc a climactic ending, or something.
>>319748829
I did play it.
I mean, it was some years ago, and I had a break part-way through so maybe I'm forgetting shit, but I did play it.Couldn't finish it though because my shitty EU ISO bugged the fuck out during the waterfall cutscene in the City of Ancients
>They already loved her, that's the point
It didn't really feel that way to me.
Especially everyone who wasn't Cloud.
>>319749015
Vincent became a party main as soon as I got him.
>>319749054
>Gold Saucer prison
>she tells the party to get in line for Cloud to tell them it's too dangerous to go
>mfw
I really hope the remake doesn't give her the "so pure and innocent <3" personality, and instead she keeps her sarcastic/cheeky kunt personality.
>>319748970
I know that's what it's supposed to be, but in VII she made no impression on me whatsoever. After CC I did get some idea of her growth and personality, but without it she just felt kind of bland. Back in the 90s I didn't understand why everybody got so bent out of shape over her death.
>>319749345
>>319749203
Okay well these are a ton of perfectly shitty opinions. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
>>319749227
That is by far one of my favorite Aeris scenes. That, and the one where she practically bitchslaps Cloud for not wanting her help because she's a girl.
She really did shit all over the damsel in distress attitude despite her appearance. Especially for her time.
Wait. Wait. Wait.
So Earth died to invoke Holy which would stop Sephiroth/Jenova's plan of destroying Planet.
But Holy only worked if EARTH returned to the Lifestream. She instinctively knew the only way to use her mother's materia was to die to invoke it.
Holy placed Earth's consciousness inside Planet, just like how Sephiroth's consciousness was inside Jenova.
It feels like I'm being hit over the head with a canned ham.
THE PLANET WAS EARTH!
>>319739565
>>319739705
I never saw anyone complaining about the spell naming scheme in english being 1/2/3 even though the japanese version of VII used the -ra/-ga scheme.
In fact the -ra/-ga scheme has been around in japan since FINAL FANTASY 1
>>319749529
Hey man, I'd love to love Aerith in FFVII.
I'd love it if the remake makes this happen for me.
But as it stands, I just don't find her a compelling or engaging character and I think that her position as a love interest for Cloud was kind of forced, especially postmortem.
I think that the basic outline for VII's story is solid, but its execution leaves a lot to be desired in many places.
This in part was hampered by the poor translation, but even with a good one there are still flaws in the writing, characterization and pacing that made it hard for me to love the game as so many others do.
If my opinion is shit, then so be it.
But I'd like to think it's an opinion I came to rationally, by myself.
>>319749823
I think you've taken a few too many hits to the head.
>>319749924
this is 4chan bro
When I say your opinion is shit, don't take it personally.
It's just that your opinion is shit. and infact, an opinion. People tend to not like those and just like to stick to canon facts when it comes to discussing the characters, storylines etc.
I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid, if you didn't like her but would like to atleast you're keeping an open mind for the remake.
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