System Shock 2 > Bioshock 2 > Bioshock 1 > Bioshock Infinite > System Shock 1
>>319735092
>western games
>>319735092
>I haven't played System Shock 1
That's too bad OP.
>>319735092
>>319736124
Where did these fucking guys come from lately?
Years ago no one gave a fuck, SS2 was the hottest shit and no one bothered with the first game. Now there's these fucking proto-hipsters claiming it's way better than SS2.
I applaud you, but what's next? In a few years, will there be people claiming that Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 are the best games ever and that System Shock doesn't even compare? I'm looking forward to it.
>>319735092
You mad it doesn't have FPS controls, babby?
True ranking:
System Shock > Deus Ex > SS2 > Human Revolution > Invisible War > Bioshock > Bioshock 2 >>>>>> Infinite
>>319740109
Does Deus Ex really fit into this comparison, they're pretty different from the rest
Also I really need to get around to playing SS1
>>319736908
That's because they actually made System Shock 1 playable on a modern computer instead of having to set up shitty DOS-BOX, and now people are beginning to realize how much better it is compared to SS2.
>>319736908
System Shock 1 is a good game, though. It's not as pretty as BioShock Infinite, that is, it's a fucking DOS game from 1994, but that is the only thing Infinite has over SS1. And the voice acting, I guess.
Both System Shocks are great, both are worth playing. Also, there's a timer on the teaser site now: http://www.othersidetease.com/gs99yy.php
>>319741114
System Shock 2 is already a fantastic game, but it is definitely a step-down from the mechanical depth of SS1 which made it one of the best cyberpunk-themed games ever released. They did a fine job trying to fill in the shoes of the innovations they made in SS1 nonetheless.
>>319741114
>That's because they actually made System Shock 1 playable on a modern computer instead of having to set up shitty DOS-BOX
What? When? I want to play this. Is the framerate better than the DOSBox emulation? Because it always felt really choppy regardless of how many cycles I threw at it.
>>319741543
September 22nd of this year.
SS1 Enhanced Edition came along bringing the game as an actual native Windows game now, and it adds mouselook, some higher resolutions, custom binds, and some bugfixes.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/410710/
http://www.gog.com/game/system_shock_enhanced_edition
>>319741543
And yes the framerate should be better. I personally haven't played it but most games that came from DOS and ported to native Windows usually got better performance.
>>319741715
SS1 Enhanced was already a thing before they put it on Steam, all they did was buy the rights and put the free mod behind a paywall
>System Shock 1 worse than Infinite
GET THE FUCK OUT
HOLY SHIT
FUCKING CANCER
>>319741893
SS1 wasn't a native windows app though, so it still had all the shitty bottlenecks of any DOS game.
>>319741976
Sorry m8 but it was shit. At least Infinite is playable.
>>319742059
>playable
Nigger read your own fucking thread.
>>319741114
>>319741715
>>319742024
Only if your PC is too shit to run DOSbox.
>>319735092
does anyone know where I can get system shock for the ios? steam currently sells it for windows but I want to play it on my mac. is there a version for it or a way to still play it? i hear theres an enhanced edition on steam.
>>319742296
The one you saw on steam IS the enhanced edition.
It's not on Mac right now, I think you can play the original version through emulation although it kinda sucks.
>>319742386
how do I get the emulation
>>319742386
and wtf do u mean right now. are they planing to make one for the mac?
>>319742295
Not him but I have an i5 4670k and a 970 and SS1 never felt like it had decent performance regardless of how I set up DOSBox. Same with other games. It's a limitation of the emulation, not how good your system is.
>>319742386
Man, I really need to try the enhaced edition. The only time I finished SS1 was aeons ago on DosBox without sound (I couldn't get it to work fine). Still the most impressive game I have played considering how old it is.
>>319742490
Game: http://www.emuparadise.me/Abandonware_Games/System_Shock_(1994)(Looking_Glass_Technologies)/95221
Setting up for emulation: http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/DOSBox_and_Mac_OS_X
I don't have a Mac so I don't know how far I can help you.
Honestly I would just recommend waiting for the native Mac version of the Enhanced Edition to come out.
>>319742584
Yes, they are planning to release Enhanced Edition for Mac.
https://twitter.com/NightDiveStudio/status/657259318790623233
>>319742692
I haven't even played it at all, but I'm super interested in it now.
>>319742760
thx a bunch bro, wish I could pay u back
>>319742878
No need, but thanks for offering.
>>319735092
>Shock 1
>Bad
Confirmed for never learning to lean
>>319736908
People will probably be saying it because there's that new one coming out which will bring attention to the old ones and there will be more people playing them, just like the re release of SS1.
This is now a System Shock music appreciation thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfjIpc_Lbjk
>>319735092
System shock 1 > sys 2 > Bioshock 2 > Bioshock 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poo > Vomit poo poo we wee > Bioshock infinite
>>319736908
>being this mad that more and more people recognize system shock 1 as a superior game
>mfw I just found out SS1 is getting a full remake
>>319743237
>not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qBe3qo2uuA
>>319743397
That post seems like you're implying that announcement was fake? It's an official confirmation.
They're gonna fuck up System Shock 3, aren't they?
>>319735092
>SS1 last
SS1>SS2>BS2>BS1>Shit>BI
There, you can thank me at your leisure.
>>319735092
BUT ARE ANY OF THOSE A TRUE 6D ENVIRONMENT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIMzs5O3QWo
what about system shock 3? where is that on your list?
huh? HUH?!?!?!?
>>319735092
Literal Shit > Bioshock Infinite
>>319743546
They have some of the original people on board.
>>319743584
system shock's cyberspace is one
>>319743567
>I never played SS1 but I'm going to tout it like some golden standard of RPGing even though it was a clusterfuck of a game with pretty godawful mechanics and map design
k
>>319740109
Deus Ex > Thief: TDP > Thief 2 > Ultima Underworld 2 > System Shock > System Shock 2 > VTMB > Ultima Underworld > Thief 3 > DX:HR > Dishonored > Bioshock 2 > Bioshock 1 > DX:IW > Bioshock Infinite
If we're going to do this properly.
>>319743237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0yTEDZIu4g
>>319743729
>im too stupid to play dungeon crawlers
is all i got from your post
>>319743752
Where's S.T.A.L.K.E.R.?
>>319743729
>I am 14 years old
K
Serious question, were you also unable to play the Underworlds?
Just started up SS Enhanced and holy shit it's so smooth. I was loving it in DOSBox but this is much better. Wonder if the DOSBox saves are compatible with the EE. I would guess they are.
>>319743752
I will never understand why people like Deus Ex so much.
>>319735262
this to be honest familia
Fucking retard try actually playing System Shock, if you think infinite is better you are so unbelievably brain dead nothing you say matters.
>>319743857
I don't really count it as an Imsim, but feel free to make your own list including them. They're arguably more imsimmy than Bioshock
>>319742059
>le leet speak
Nice opinion you have, go back to Reddit you meme spewing idiot
>>319743910
>not liking Deus Ex
Go back to COD senpai
>>319743546
We'll just have to wait and see. While individual the developers have great histories, the material they've shown about their new project is underwhelming. But, it is not even close to being done and they've been insistent on letting people see "how the sausage is made" (so basicallyBUT IT'S A PRE-PRE-ALPHA!).
At the very least, the things they've said about their intentions for it show they still understand what made the old games great unlike, say, the Thi4f devs, and they seem enthusiastic about getting back to work on these series that some of them used to work on. But it's entirely possible they'll botch the execution.
>>319743963
Bloodlines never really struck me as an immersive sim.
>>319744032
I love Thief and what I've played of SS1 but I never could get into Deus Ex. I just didn't find it all that much fun though I played quite a bit of it.
>>319743847
>make map a single complex shape with horizontal and vertical symmetry and 1x1 hallways
>this is bad design
>lol ur just bad
???
SS2 >>>>> SS1 on map design alone, even if you ignore the slew of other improvements
>Bioshock 2>1
Holy shit fuck off. Marginally improving the gameplay to be a little bit less clunky doesn't make up for the downgraded everything else and the horrid multiplayer.
>>319743910
More emergence within the gameplay systems, it's the logical extension of what UU was trying to do just within a spy thriller storyline contained within a cyberpunk world.It's by far my favourite game
>>319744152
its literally a dungeon crawler in space
dont you get it, it's ultima underworld in space
>>319744137
>I love Thief and what I've played of SS1 but I never could get into Deus Ex. I just didn't find it all that much fun though I played quite a bit of it.
How were you playing it? Some people get a little bit too into the min/maxing, which can suck the joy out a little bit. If you just role-play as a character archetype rather than as an RPG build it's a lot more fun, imho. Also playing on Realistic is absolutely essential, although I would guess you already were. How far did you get the first time?
>>319744173
BS2 has a cleverer story than BS1 if you ask me. Also more people are going to identify with a polemic against Socialism than Objectivism, especially on this site.
>>319744324
Not sure how I was playing it. I wasn't really going for anything in particular. Just upgrading stuff as I went along. And I think I quit right before I got to the ship where you needed to plant explosives on.
I'm not one of those people that get autistically into getting the perfect build.
>>319744152
>make map a single complex shape with horizontal and vertical symmetry and 1x1 hallways
>hello, I've never played System Shock
>>319744431
Ah OK, you got pretty far if you got as far as PCRS Wall Cloud. Maybe it just isn't for you.
>People always complaining about System Shock 2's fast music 'ruining the mood', like it's supposed to be fucking Amnesia or something.
I always thought it kept a good tempo with the hectic fights and monsters chasing you with lead pipes. It's not a slow game.
>>319744152
You really haven't played UU have you?
>>319744521
>People always complaining about System Shock 2's fast music 'ruining the mood'
Really? I think Eric Brosius is a genius, personally. Him and Alex Brandon define these sorts of games.
>>319744521
I sneaked around a lot. It's not like there was a lot of fast music, most of it was spooky ambience
OP here, I'm a huge faggot.
>>319743729
System Shock is not even supposed to be an RPG, it is an FPS with level design like a dungeon crawler. And it was simple compared to SS2's mess of magical cybernetic modules, mostly useless psi abilities, and totally unbalanced skills.
Be honest, have you played System Shock? Did you make it past MedSci?
Bioshock Infinite = System Shock 2 > Bioshock > Bioshock 2. Never bothered with System Shock 1.
Bioshock really wanted to be System Shock 3 but it didn't work as either a horror game or an RPG. It was just too dumbed down to be either of those things and not scary at all. And the Big Daddy/Little Sister stuff was just a bust.
Bioshock 2 was a piece of trash that's developers actually believed that everybody loved that godawful escort mission at the end of Bioshock.
Now Infinite, that game didn't try to be either a horror game nor an RPG, and that's why it's so good. It wanted to be an action game, and ended up the best, most complex first-person shooter of its generation. Certainly, Infinite has the best gameplay, story and characters in the series.
Bioshock Infinite is to cinematic first-person action games as System Shock 2 is to first-person role playing game hybrids.
>>319743910
did u download it for mac?
God I fucking hate you faggots when it comes to older rpgs
I liked SS1, I liked it a lot, but don't act like it was the fucking golden age.
SS2 wiped the floor with it and all your underage ad hominem bait doesn't change that
>>319744609
>>319744702
It just bugs me whenever I see newfags being told to turn the music off for their first playthough. Maybe the music itself just isn't their taste.
>>319745051
I played both recently and I'm liking SS1 more.
>>319745051
SS1 wasn't even a RPG and all SS2 did was add superfluous RPG mechanics that suck balls and aren't balanced.
It's also made in the Dark Engine.
>>319745051
I didn't realize criticizing SS2 is ad hominem.
>>319743752
>thief > thief 2
At last, my kind of scum.
>Trying to do a pure melee build in SS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ssUivM-eM
>>319744962
where can I get a mac version?
>>319745504
Pretty sure it's not out yet. Why do you have a Mac to play video games anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XXZ9IpZoxk\
>knuckohnohnkulua
>>319743584
From 2000:
>Dear Dennis,
>Thanks for your kind words about my work. I only recently learned of the demise of Looking Glass and was rather stunned by the news. I enjoyed working with the talented and creative people there and I do hope that in some way the series might be picked up by another company. It was a great gig!
>I'll try to get 'round to visting the forum you mentioned as time permits (I'm rather swamped with work at the moment). It's nice to know that so many people responded so positively to these games.
>Cheers,
>Stephen [Russell]And then Thief 4 happened
so i just installed SS1 enhanced how do i mouse look?
>>319745741
Press e to toggle mouse look.
>>319745978
Well fuck me, I've been playing the first 30 minutes without that. Makes shit a lot faster.
>>319736908
dont talk shit about UU1&2 or i am going to shank you.
>>319746413
also press 2 to turn off the bloat on the screen
>>319735092
System Shock 1 was incredible you fucking bad-opinion-having piece of shit.
>>319741446
system shock 5?
>>319743567
SS2 was better than SS1 but yes anyone who puts SS1 below bioshock infinite is so dumb they should be locked up for their own safety
>>319743752
>no strife
Shit list
>>319735262
>>319743920
>weeaboos
>>319750379
I can't fucking wait for sesck 5
>>319750808
faggot cant screen shot. bet you played SS2 on mac
