ITT: We describe what New Vegas would be like if it was written by Bethesda.
They wouldn't release your backstory as DLC.
>>319683425
it would probably be worth shit and not just run out of steam halfway through.
>>319683425
You're from Vault 21.
House kicks you out.
The Courier is the first act antagonist.
There is no Benny.
There are no sidequests in the casinos.
The Khans all act like Samurai.
The Legion and NCR aren't in the game.
You have to work with the BoS to stop House from unleashing his robot army on the world.
There aren't any references to the Desert Rangers.
HATE NCR
the plot centers on the evil legion wanting to take over the dam to distribute power to the wasteland, while the ncr aka the good guys also want to take over the dam to distribute power to the wasteland, so naturally they fight over it.
you play as the chosen one, which the pre-war prophecy foretold.
ncr is the only joinable faction and the legion is the enemy. the story is linear as fuck and your choices have fuck all effect on anything. all the other factions including house are removed; vegas and the strip are just a pile of supermutants and walled off sections which you access by sewers.
>>319683425
not shit
>>319684173
pretty much this.
let's just add
Bos: Good guys
Mr House: Bad guy
black and white morality
no reputation system
Legion are unjoinable
Become President of NCR after 3 missions
Caesar is final boss
>>319683425
>"Well done. I have something a bit different for you this time..."
>>319684760
100% accurate
>>319683425
Shit
Factions are the Brotherhood of Steel who have joined up with the NCR versus the Legion who have made an alliance with the Enclave. The final mission involves you reactivating the Liberty Prime module hidden underneath Vegas (which is an Enclave stronghold) and storm The Fort by Vertibird.
I did enjoy Bethesda's attempt to steal The Kings (thematically) and put them in Fallout 4 as the Atom Cats. Completely remove the context and any meaning behind it, that's the bethesda way.
It's a tiny group of stupid young people inexplicably using 1950s slang for no reason and they're all power armour experts and they live in an almost totally isolated area away from any significant civilisation and yet they haven't been instantly steamrolled by any of the angry factions around there, despite the fact that it's 4 of them defending a chainlink fence.The guy even says "rustle their jimmies".
>Obsididones this salty over FO4's success
>>319685960
the only mad one here is you, we're having fun
>>319686130
Stay delusional Obsididrone
>>319685960
>captioned image
>>319685960
It's literally not a good game though. Normies hate it, hard cores hate it.
>>319685960
>success
Yeah, I'll just ignore all the reviews of the game shitting all over it.
Joining any faction would have no significant result. Ending would be the same across the board.
>>319686952
the fact that he refers to others as obsididrones probably means that he's some kind of bethesdrone himself, willing to gobble up any turd they shit out
>>319683425
You become the President of NCR after doing one mission for them
HATE LEGION
LEGION JUST TRIES TO STIR UP TROUBLE.
>>319685079
Underrated post
A) REVENGE
B) HATE BENNY
X) SARCASTIC REVENGE
Y) BENNY?
Your uncle has been kidnapped and you find out the Enclave and Aliens have teamed up to rule Las Vegas.
>>319688506
>Y) BENNY?
>>319683425
>SPURS?
>JINGLE
>JANGLE
>SARCASTIC (JINGLE)
Nearly Every building on the strip would be filled with enemy supermutants, raiders and ghouls.
Mr House creates an army of synths with gambling addictions to fill up his casinos .
Ending: Kill your cousin or blow up las vegas
>>319683571
You're right, they'd just release the second half of the game as DLC
Every quest that involved speech checks is now killing super mutants, raiders and ghouls
The first mission is defending Goodsprings from a deathclaw, after which they make you the king of Goodsprings.
And then you become Sheriff of Primm
And Big Nig of Novac
Etc.
Everybody would talk about how dangerous the boomers are but they wouldn't even attempt to blow the player up and just let them waltz in.
The gate guards would just say the flat Hello.
That is assuming they're even in the game
Jacobstown and Utobitha would not exist, all of the mutants would be hostile baby killers.
All powder gangers immediately hostile, all legion immediately hostile.
Forced to join the NCR or the Brotherhood of Steel and kill Dr. House and Caesar
>>319689276
The inner strip will be safe, while the outside is completly surrounded by hostile enemies
Y: NCR?Who are the NCR and how can I join them?
X: Not interested in NCRWhile I"ve had a distast for the NCR, I believe the Legion is wrong so sign me up!
B: HATE NCRWhile I"ve had a distaste for the NCR, I believe the savage Legion is wrong so sign me up!
A: Like NCRI believe the savage legion is wrong so sign me up!
>>319690838
>HATE NCR
>Boone disliked that
>>319690838
this is so fucking accurate it hurts
>>319683425
Remove all backgrounds from gangs and raiders, and add 20 of them in, into every encounter.
80% of locations are replaced with raiders
There are now only ten different guns in the game
There are two main factions, the NCR and BoS (Who Bethesda have a fucking fetish for or something)
Legion clearly evil
Khans clearly evil
House clearly evil
Most characters are invulnerable
Remaining 20% of locations are a pile of super mutants
What used to be
> Help these drug addicts get back on track!
Becomes
> These drug addicts have been captured by raiders!
Dealing with Benny becomes
> Benny is being protected by a gang of raiders! Kill him!
Mr House.
> Mr House is in that tower
> But there's a lot of synths there
> Kill the Synths so you can kill Mr House
> Mr House is a minigun wielding synth
REPCONN test site!
> Ghoul problem
> Just fucking kill them
>>319684760
>pinning "chosen one" shit on Bethesda when that's literally a Black Isles plot device
not pacifist friendly
>>319686952
Last I checked it had the same metacritic score as New Vegas my friend.
>>319691947
Nah they'd make the khans in to misunderstood noble savages
>>319692070
In FO2 you are the chosen one of your backward tribe and everyone hates you because you're a tribal
In FO3 and 4 you are Jesus and everyone gathers around when you enter a town and they preach your word on the radio
>>319692338
Thanks for explaining, but what does that have to do with that guy being an idiot?
>>319692070
THey leave the determining of "Chosen One" in Fallout 2 vague, it could be anything from you really being the Vault Dweller reincarnate to being the annoying as shit retard everyone wants to go die out in the desert.
>>319692141
Been thinking about doing this. Cattle prod and 12 guage bean bag?
>>319692849
I'm not seeing how that makes it a Bethesda thing more than a Black Isles thing.
>>319693216
>>319692630
Just because you are the chosen one in FO2, everyone doesn't think the sun shines out your ass. Like FO3/4.
>>319693216
Because in Bethesda, you aren't directly called a "Chosen One" but you're treated as one in their in-house developed Fallout games, namely due to being related to your father and Father respectively. You're given multiple accolades, treated as Wasteland Jesus, and manage to beat back the bad guys, woo hoo!Also, they used chosen ones in Morrowind and Skyrim, so therefore they've done it more than Black Isle's once.
In Fallout 2, numerous instances of dialogue throughout your village implies you weren't the Chosen One just out of your relation to the Vault Dweller, but they don't elaborate on what unless your build fits it - like if you go low INT, it's very consistently implied and sometimes even said they just want you to leave because you're an annoying and blithering retard. As you play, you don't become Wasteland Jesus - but you do become recognized as either a threat or a good sign because wherever you go, things do change. FOr better or for worse is what they don't know. Whereas in Fallout 3/4, if you go there you're obviously gonna make it all spiffy and nice because how else could you be the hero?
>>319683425
hers the bethesda emotional hook your the courier and you have your first package you cant start the game till you spin the package then benny takes the package and shoots a random women you just met 5 minutes before but are supposed to love and takes the package then your end choice is to ask whats in the box or nuke the strip
>>319693712
dont forget Kaga
>>319684947
>black and white morality
Okay, people love to get on Bethesda's case for being so black and white, but it's not like Fallout 1 and 2 were the pinnacle of morally gray. Fallout 1's antagonist is a mutant forcing other people to become super mutants in an attempt to take over the wasteland and Fallout 2 literally starts with the Enclave massacring a group of vault dwellers.
>generic raiders replace powder gangers/fiends ect
>super mutants everywhere
>new vegas isnt up and running, all the buildings run dow
> their is just some weird cult squatting their obsessed with gambling for some reason
>no Caesars Legion
>plot is brotherhood of steel vs the NCR over the hoover dam
>[INTELLIGENCE] You're an abomination Mr. House. You have to die.
>>319694093
They have overt antagonists, yes, but you forget in both, there's multiple groups that have all sorts of options for dealing with them, a majority quite morally grey.
Fallout 4 has the most morally ambiguous factions in the series, including New Vegas.
Aside from the Minutemen of course.
Prove me wrong.
>>319694093
Yes, because that invalidates how morally grey Fallout 1 and 2 could get.
They even made a fucking good argument for a group of DEATHCLAWS not being so bad. Bethesda couldn't do that to save their lives.
>>319694093
Marcus has some really interesting Dialogue about the Master's plan that makes it more gray than it originally seems.
>>319694630
>Railroad
SJWs
>Minutemen
Bastions of good, heroes of justice
>Brotherhood
They're exactly what they should have been, except they'er still glorified a bit too much
>Institute
MUH
CLEAN
WAIFU
ROBOTS
>>319694035
Laga
>>319694630
only in the sense that none of the morals or objectives, inner mechanics, goals, or long term plans are explained in great detail
the railroad wants to set synths free, what then? they're hardly a faction at all
the institute never elaborates on the goals beyond a vague idea of enlightenment, and that could go anywhere once you replace father
the brotherhood wants to destroy the institute, but what then? govern the boston area with one elder and a handful of knights watching from the zeppelin?
the removal of ending slides further obfuscates the situation and it's impossible to tell what any group will do past the obvious destroy the institute part
>>319694831
I don't understand the minuteman
How can they be faction when you and Preston were the only ones in it? It feels like a huge asspull that you can ask the "minutemen" for teleporter technology or whatever
>grew up in vault
>never knew mom
>left behind in cryo chamber
>wake up someday
>vault filled with concrete
>searching for dad
>dad is cesar
>you were never elected mr house
>think tank gets slaves from dc
>aliens did divide
>nuke vegas or die in radioactive hoover dam
>hate khans
>>319695061
>Pagliarulo felt so proud of himself for introducing a vaguely complex character he had to pat himself on the back for it
Incredible.
>>319695319
>the institute never elaborates on the goals beyond a vague idea of enlightenment, and that could go anywhere once you replace father
they want to replace humans with better humans but synths dont work as intended so far
>the brotherhood wants to destroy the institute, but what then? govern the boston area with one elder and a handful of knights watching from the zeppelin?
they dont have to. boston can already govern itself and none of them want to cross the BoS except you if you want to. Institute doesnt rule Boston, it's their experimental gorund.
>the removal of ending slides further obfuscates the situation and it's impossible to tell what any group will do past the obvious destroy the institute part
dlcs :^)
how does it feel to be too stupid to "get" a bethesda "plot"?
Fallout 3 is KOTOR.
Fallout NV is KOTOR 2.
>>319695638
Do you miss the "minuteman" npcs running around castle and the reinforcements you can call and the cotton farm you can build?
>>319684173
>The Legion and NCR aren't in the game.
Already better than NV then.
What about the Followers of the Apocalypse?
>>319695719
Fun fact: Pagliarulo also wrote Thief II.
What the fuck happened to his writing?
>>319695719
>choose "sympathise" option
>a lawful good npc show her sympathise SURPRISE!!!
>>319696178
Different direction.
Todd dont give a shit what happens in the story
Thief devs do. He probably just there to make characters dont sound awkward.
>mod NV
>it keeps crashing every 30 minutes to an hour
What a fucking nightmare this is to setup, not to mention that steam doesn't even recognize the game if I use the 4GB mod.
>You're a vault dweller who's forced to leave the vault because everyone is dead/hates you
>NCR are the evil outcasts of the BoS who impose evil taxes on the poor people of the wasteland and may or may not be secretly working with the Enclave
>You get to talk to Kimball and convince him that this statement is false then his head explodes
>Legion is just a small raider faction that butchered Nipton and that's it
>You tell House that his testicles can't reproduce with a Speech Check, then he self destructs
>Khans ghouls
>In the, the Lone Dweller Vaultman successfully reverses all the radiation in the air, rendering the US of A green and the biggest and bestest country in the world again and the bible was right all along
>>319696419
is it the goty version?
is it the uncut version?low violence version is incompatible with lots of mods
>>319695780
>they want to replace humans with better humans but synths dont work as intended so far
except father and several other members of the institute speak down on synths and say they're far from human, to the point of never being on the level of a human, they have no goals outlined or game plan beyond taking off with people in the middle of the night
>none of them want to cross the BoS
the institute, minutemen, railroad and every other minor faction wants their asses gone, they can't hold power there for any measure of time, it's the exact same situation as the mojave
>dlcs
i don't see how future addons will resolve problems in the main plot
>>319696567
Standard GOTY version on Steam
I've tried running the game with a minimum amount of mods as well, no texture mods or the ENB and it still kept crashing. For whatever reason I never had these issues when using a pirated version.
>>319696595
>except father and several other members of the institute speak down on synths and say they're far from human, to the point of never being on the level of a human, they have no goals outlined or game plan beyond taking off with people in the middle of the night
so why do they show hate toward the "old world"? why do they replace humans with synths? why do they make artificial humans and force the railroad to brainwash them before setting them free? They look down to both synths and boston. But they can control Synth, not people
>the institute, minutemen, railroad and every other minor faction wants their asses gone, they can't hold power there for any measure of time, it's the exact same situation as the mojave
did maxson said he want power? they came to deal with the degenerates first and foremost. What transpired will come in the dlcs or sequels. And none of the minor or major faction wanted to confront some dudes in power armor directly except raiders and mutants (big fucking surprise). And the Minuteman is your faction. you chose to live with them or kick their asses.
>>319696950
do you use nmm?
did you chose to overwrite anything during mod install?
>>319697414
I use NMM, yes.
>did you chose to overwrite anything during mod install?
Just the files added by Darnified UI
>>319697606
And replace them with files from what mods?
Do you have nvse, nv4gb, nvac or nvsr?
>>319697267
>why do they replace humans with synths?
this and your entire series of questions is precisely what's never outlined, the institute never elaborates on their methods beyond "robots are easy to control", they keep striding to replace people with better synths while also admitting that synths can ever replace humans
assuming the institute does replace everyone, what then? that goes against their vague of enlightenment, it's precisely why i'm saying they're only ambiguous because it's never explained what they want
>did maxson said he want power?
of course the bos wouldn't outright come in and declare themselves kings of the castle, but by charging in and confiscating shit that's exactly what they want, and sooner or later they'll run out of knights when they get whittled down without a solid pool to recruit from and the fact that their main hq is a flying target that one mini nuke(or 5 mortars) can get rid of
>What transpired will come in the dlcs or sequels
why wouldn't it be explained in the game it pertains to?
>>319695780
>too stupid to get a bethesda plot.
Not the anon you replied too but you literally have to be retarded to actually understand bethesda plot. If you look too much into bethesda plot you have to blindfold yourself and take big todd cock in the mouth to not see all the plot holes, inconsistencies, and questions that arise. This is coming from a big bethesda fan.
>>319697730
>And replace them with files from what mods?
oHUD, just a bunch of XML files, somehow doubt that could be the cause of the issue
>Do you have nvse, nv4gb, nvac or nvsr?
All of the above, though nv4gb doesn't recognize NV on Steam, it basically launches it as a third party executable and prevents me from obtaining achievements. A minor complaint, but still annoying.
>>319684173
>>319684760
The various gangs such as Powders, Fiends, Vipers, etc. are all just renamed to "Raider" and all wear the same outfits.
[Speech 100%] You need to end this Caesar, slavery is bad!
You're right Courier, what have I done?
>>319693135
You'll also want to download the STUN mod which lets you tie people up.
>>319697935
why wouldn't it be explained in the game it pertains to?
because they came to Boston first and foremost to deal with Institute. BoS set up base wherever they go to hoard tech, didn you do a bunch of that shit already?
And didnt they go hostile on the Minutemen and attack Caslte only when you side with Institute, Railroad or kill Maxson?
>>319698110
Not even Bethshit fan. Their plot is just an excuse to break their engine and create various kind of waifus. It's just that f4 plot and worldbuilding is kind of an improvement for Todd post Kirkbride.
>Literally all Mr. New Vegas ever talks about on the radio is "that heroic courier from Goodprings"
>He instantly and magically knows everything you do even if it took place deep underground in an abandoned subway tunnel
>>319699463
He's an AI with preprogrammed information courtesy of the ever-surveying Mr. House.
And even then, Mr. House most likely gets a lot of his information from word-of-mouth (Which a point is made in-game that shit spreads really fast due to merchants and couriers), and a LOT of the NV quests do influence your reputation, funnily enough. It's almost like it's a relevant mechanic. And early on, Mr. New Vegas doesn't directly reference the Courier at all. He only really gets recognized after killing Benny should one go straight along the plot railroad.
Aside from that, Mr. New Vegas does mention other figures, such as Mr. House himself and Legate Lanius.
>>319698151
uninstall darnified ui just to be sure. do you have mcm?
>>319699427
>because they came to Boston first and foremost to deal with Institute.
that would only explain the BoS coming there, leaving the railroad, institute, minutemen, and unless handled right the BoS reason for staying past the institute's destruction
the BoS aren't hostile towards the other two factions in their ending, but in all 3 other endings they get wiped out because everyone hates them second most to the institute, and with how easy their zeppelin goes down it makes you wonder how they aim to keep their foothold
>just that f4 plot and worldbuilding is kind of an improvement
absolutely agree, and if the dlc is handled right i'd take back everything, i only ever disagreed with the statement that fallout 4's factions are the most morally ambiguous
>>319700016
Yea, MCM is one of the essential mods that I use.
I'll try running a fresh install without darnified, thanks for all the input, anon.
>>319699873
Looks like you skipped over the OP senpai
>>319700132
>how easy their zeppelin goes down
due to the power of the plotagonist
everybody shit themselves about Lanius. you can just kite him to death with a revolver.
>>319700378
I completely forgot what thread I was in.
>>319694035
fuck this faggot
>>319700256
>>319700016
Anons in action ITT. We need more of this and less shitposting.
>No farms
>Everyone scavenges food from the mart
>50% of everyone is a nameless AI when it comes to cities
>Black and White morality
>There are people on both sides of good and evil that want the opposing side to die for no explained reason and pay you for their ears even if they don't belong to a faction
>People are sent after you if you have a strong alignment in any direction
>At the end of the main storyline the main character has to stop a nuke by reprogramming it to fire at him
>One of your allies is a super hacker who refuses to reprogram it to hit some place else because it's your destiny to die
>NCR has absolutely no flaws and are super good guys that just want to stop all evil and the bad old Mr. House and Legion want to stop them from saving the wasteland
>The DLC is shit no one cares about
Only good thing that would come out of it is that the railroading would be gone.
>>319701926
helposting in a shitpost thread is shitpost desu senpai.
>>319694637
>They even made a fucking good argument for a group of DEATHCLAWS not being so bad.
How the fuck is that an achievement? It's not exactly difficult when you make them intelligent and practically fucking angelic, apart from the starvation-induced raids.
The only thing that's grey about that situation is the fact that despite being well-meaning they could still be a threat to humanity, which is mentioned off-hand by one or two characters and cleanly resolved halfway through the game by having them slaughtered by the Enclave.
>>319684173
>You have to work with the BoS to stop House from unleashing his robot army on the world
I laughed harder than I should have
More like
>JINGLE?
>JANGLE (JINGLE)
>JINGLE
>SARCASTIC (JINGLE)
>>319692208
check the user score retard
>Tell Ranger Ghost what happened to Nipton
>She congratulates me and tells me that I'm the perfect person to lead the NCR
>Options are Yes, Sarcastic Yes, NCR?, and No (yes later)
>Upon becoming the General of the NCR, I am immediately sent out to do menial labor tasks
>>319697606
Don't use NMM.
For the longest time I used it, and I swear its because of it my FNV never worked for any extended period of time.
Mod Organizer is the way forward. After installing your mods, just click sort and does the load order for you. I've never had a crash yet, and I've recently clocked another 300 hours of quality gameplay.
>>319702162
>The DLC is shit no one cares about
Bethesda has a tendency to make really good DLC, which at times has a better plot and cast of characters then the main game. The only problem is that they are really short, so they aren't given any proper exploration.
Guys GUYS! You for got the "SUPER MUTANT ARE EVUL BUT IS GOOD BECAUSE HE MISUNDERSTOOD AND YOUR BBF!"
>House you're an abomination of science and need to die.
>>319707379
Bad Mothafucka was made by one bored guy for fun and is a better companion than any companion in Fallout 3, its DLCs, and Fallout 4.
Prove me wrong.
>>319708130
I like how his speech impairment was back up by lore instead of the moronic mutants you see in the East created by Bethesda.
You have to find your mom. Turns out shes mr house
Joe Cobb is named "raider" and already hostile when you go to talk to Trudy
