So how pathetic is it to pay a professional, multi-tournament winning professional video game player for private lessons?
I'm serious. I definitely expect a lot of insults coming my way but honestly, what better way to improve than some private one on one with one of the best in the world?Maybe we could even become friends like Goku and King Kai but probably not because I'm just some guy to give a lesson to and then never speak to again once I send the money.
It's absolutely one of the most pathetic things you could ever do, and is also completely meaningless.
You don't improve at video games from an hour of "intensive training", you improve from practising every fucking day with decent players.
>>319669345
After doing that for about a year, I can promise you that I am still ass. This is a last resort.
>>319669471
There's nothing a pro can teach you that you can't learn yourself by playing.
>>319669471
You seriously think that there's something that can be taught in an hour that you haven't already learnt?
Who am I kidding, you're just giving some streamer moron some money to pretend to be your friend one on one.
What game, retard?
>>319669073
shut the fuck up and post the porn
get it out of your system so we can all banned.
>>319669471
Then maybe you're just shit at vidya.
I could pay a pro basketball player all the money in the world to train me, and I'd still suck shit at basketball.
>>319669680
That may or may not be true, but I believe that having someone more skilled than you to teach you how to do something is always a great way to get an accelerated boost.
If that wasn't true, people wouldn't be taught anything by anyone anymore. Professional training and education would be useless.
You aren't going to learn anything of worth from an hour session with whoever, I've watched a lot of these tutor sessions and they're all garbage.
>>319669073
depends on the learning process. some people learn better by watching while others learn by doing.
>>319669073
How on earth can anyone find this street-hooker of a pornstar worth jerking it too. Their are quality looking women out their and people jerk to this shit tits, shit ass, shit face pornstar.
Most of what they'd be teaching you would be shit you could find anywhere for free. All the stuff that only they would be able to teach you would only start being relevant at a very high level of competition. Paying someone money out the ass to tell you to work on your fundamentals is pointless.
>>319669828
I don't want to give up, I'm very passionate about this game in particular. (Not willing to say what game because I feel that would detract from the thread.) It's not League of Legends or any stupid shit like that though.
>>319669750
>>319669974
I actually think Cody Lane is really ugly, there is a video on xvideos of her being gangraped though and apparantly it really traumatized her and is some seriously dark shit. If you want to look for that go ahead, its the only thing I've ever seen of hers just because knowing what it was made me curious. I don't find her attractive though.
>>319669875
See I was smart about it I'm going to try to haggle with this guy, I asked him to get one hour half off or maybe for free because of a Christmas Special or something, gave a very short sob story. Basically I told him give me a discount or I'm not paying, I hope it works.
>>319669471
It's a waste of money and time, some people advance at a slower pace or just suck forever, and that's ok, just look at youtube videos, look for forums and play the game for the reason it was made, fun, unless someone is paying you, nobody really cares about how bad or good at a game.
>>319669974
*there not their
>>319669830
>people wouldn't be taught anything by anyone anymore.
You do realise that education serves 2 purposes, right?
Number 1, it teaches kids how to socially interact.
Number 2, it makes lots of money.
You can independently teach pretty much any kid to pass a GED at age 10. A college degree is literally just a way to force kids into debt.
>>319669974
I like her busted face same with sara jay her horse-face gets me going.
>>319669073
>paying someone to teach you to play video games
you're taking video games a bit too seriously, kid
>>319669073
are you between the ages of 16 and 22?
Are you good at ANY online games?
Is your reaction time great?
Are you a team player?
https://www.mathsisfun.com/games/reaction-time.html
If you answered no to any of those, you're fucked.
>>319670118
>See I was smart about it I'm going to try to haggle with this guy, I asked him to get one hour half off or maybe for free because of a Christmas Special or something, gave a very short sob story. Basically I told him give me a discount or I'm not paying, I hope it works.
Are you actually being serious? this is sad op, I understand if the game's important you and shit, but don't you think you might be taking this a little bit too seriously?
>>319670120
>>319670057
Like I said earlier I just don't want to give up, I watch all the tournaments, read the forums and guides, play with people better than me, practice regularly, look up all the advanced techniques, remember the combos, and I'm still not even good at the casual level after more than a year of regular playing. Its gotten to the point where I need someone else to help me or I just accept sucking forever and quit.
To be honest this is the hardest I have ever worked at something just to get so little gain in return, I've been a body builder before, I play 6 instruments, I've lived out alone in the wilderness with minimal equipment for a semi extended period, I've done actual impressive and difficult shit but honestly getting better at this game has taken more time and effort out of me to get pretty much nothing in return, its fucking with my mind. I'd do almost anything to improve but I just cant.Anyone else relate?
>>319670446
Just accept you're dogshit already. You can't improve your reaction time.
>>319670446
I don't relate i was always good at my game just because. I could teach you but you wouldn't be able to do/be anything honestly just enjoy playing the game casually you being desperate to pay someone says you don't have what it takes.
>>319670303
I'm 22.
Depends on what you mean by good.
I dont know how to tell objectively if my reaction time is anything special.
I've never done a team sport of any kind. Or any notable group activities. So probably not.
>>319670574
None of the anime characters I look up to would give up. At least when they trained for a while they always got huge bullshit power boosts though. Fuck.
Drink some redbull or take some coke
Check my 5
>>319670727
No it's mine
>>319670727
>>319670837
If we're doing gets than I want to be the first one to successfully get this 9.
But fine guys I hear you, I've been talked down sufficiently, I won't pay anyone for lessons. Maybe I'll just stop playing altogether. God damn it.
>>319670706
Click the fucking button and tell us your average, retard.
>>319670158
Well in my country education is free
>>319670303
.262
>>319669073
I still can't understand how this girl makes my dick go stone hard when she's not exactly attractive or anything. She also makes me feel sad and guilty after fapping to her.
>>319670303
Please. The younger you are the more time you've got to waste playing video games.
For example. Me and 4 of my friends (age 18-25) played LoL against my brother and three of his friends (age 15-17). I am shit at the game, but some of the ones I played with had a pretty good track record. We lost 40-2. The 25-year-old, who had the best stats of my team almost started to cry.
You can NEVER beat having no time on your hands when it comes to getting good at vidya.
>>319669471
I'm gonna give you a hint. 1 year is not enough. You need to be doing this shit for 2 minimum, and that was a few years ago, now I'd say you probably need to invest at least 3-4 years.
>>319670303
Age is only that super key factor in starcraft I think. And even then BoXeR was able to be decent enough at 32 I think for quite a while. while you hear analysts and commentators talking about young players often it just translates to "fresh blood" because these scenes are often pretty stagnant because once you have the first generation who can do it professionally it becomes hard to break in cuz not many other people can afford to play 10-14 hours a day.
>>319671004
So the universities are getting all their money out of the taxpayers pocket, so nobody can avoid paying to keep these scams running.
When you get older, you'll realise that "free" means "forced to pay".
>>319671032
.208
Not OP, but I'm ~0.25.
Why would anyone pay money to get good at a game? If you want to make money, instead of wasting it, get some actual training in actually useful skills.
If you just want to play and have fun, then you're lucky. Most people are average, so you have more play mates to have fun with.
being cody lane is suffering
good thing she's hot but holy shit
>>319670446
If it's fighting games, you're competing with people that have been doing this shit for more than a decade. Even the derided 09ers have been at it for 6 years now. It's probably the most competitive genre in vidya and there's a huge mountain to climb when it comes to skill. It also takes a level of talent/reflexes that you just might not have anymore. The other stuff you listed as accomplishments basically just comes down to time and dedication. Doing something competitive, especially in a scene as firmly established as fightans is an entirely different animal. Keep playing it over the course of the coming years if you find it fun because that's the only way anyone ever got gud, otherwise drop it and do something else. Dropping money isn't going to help you regardless.
What game, OP?
Some advice greatly helps, but that's what streams and VODs are for, and they are free.
>>319670983
0.314. They told me I was slow.
>>319671192
>Why do people have recreational passions
I'm not doing this to make any money or become an esports player or anything like that. I would just be very happy and feel really fulfilled to improve substantially, surely you understand that, right?
Why not just watch replays and play a fuck ton of games? No amount of advice is going to actually improve your ability to play a fucking game.
Play the fucking game, do you think "pros" spend hours and days playing the game because they enjoy it? They train like anybody else would, in any other kind of activity that involves competivity and skill.
You could say "what about coaches?", well, they are not always multitournament winning professional players, and they usually manage teams and strategies and, guess what, they force you to train as hard as fucking possible.
>>319671469
>I'm not doing this to make any money or become an esports player or anything like that. I would just be very happy and feel really fulfilled to improve substantially, surely you understand that, right?
Once you're passed the early stages there is no quick way to improve substantially. You grind it out.
Ask anyone that's tried to learn art, early on you hit a couple of "early" barriers and make a giant leap, those stop after the first two years, or after the first few big leaps. Then it's nothing but grinding and studying.
>>319671469
>>0.314. They told me I was slow.
You're literally in the bottom 20% of humanity.
Gaming is literally not for you. Anything based on reaction time is impossible for you.
Top gaymurs have reaction times around the 0.150 to 0.175 mark.
Stick to the current generation of piss easy baby games where you just watch cutscenes and feel good about yourself, and stop trying to play competitively for your own good.
>>319669073
Getting better at competitive games is like 99% experience, you will be wasting your money. You will not understand anything they teach you at a level where you can use it effectively.
>>319671730
Fuck.... Maybe you're right. That would explain why I have not improved. That was the second time I did the test too, the first time I did it my score was way worse.
What the fuck went wrong, I've played video games since I was as young as I can remember.
>>319670303
Got 0.252 on my first try then 0.222 on the second but i guess the first is the good one
>>319671998
He's being harsh, but you're looking for an excuse.
one year is fucking nothing, at that point the very best you can be is a promising beginner.
You have to think if you want to improve, are you willing to spend hours and hours to make marginal improvements that add up over time? or are you looking for the instant gratification of those huge leaps in skill.
>>319671998
There are people that are born bad that's how it is.
>>319672217
There is one specific friend I want to beat, he's been consistently better than me for about two years now. If I played him 20 times, I would lose 20 times. I don't care how fast or slow I get better, I just want to get better.
Also I do have a fever, I wonder if that would fuck my reaction times.
>>319671998
Reaction time is biological, it's not something you can effectively train.
You can still be a very competent player--and no this is not an excuse for you being shit, people hit plateaus--but you will never be world class. Welcome to sports/games of any kind.
0.173 makes sense playing CoD i don't know how the fuck anyone could have less.
>>319669073
This is bait, it has to be bait...
>>319672392
If you want to get better, grind out more games than him, practice harder, study his replays, figure out how he thinks and plays.
But going for a quick fix won't do shit.
>>319672434
Was that on your first try? Or your best?
>>319672429
But that's wrong. It varies and improves because of shit we don't fully understand yet.
Chewing gum increases it ffs.
>>319672658
first second is 0.178
Is it fighting game specifically? How good are you at fundamental stuff like spacing and footsies?
>>319670446
>I've been a body builder before
for what, like 2 months? sounds like you like to jack yourself off a lot. obviously you don't have any commitment if you cant stick to one instrument or maintain your body building lifestyle, so what makes you think you're not going to get tired of this in a few months and then move on to something else? save your money and do something productive with it.
>>319672741
noice what else do you play?
>>319671730
>Gaming is literally not for you.
Gaming is to have fun, you mongrel. I've had tons of fun with games I suck at.
>>319671998
OP, I don't like to repeat myself, but it doesn't matter how good you are! The only thing that matters is if you're having fun! Go play videogames, and focus on having fun, not on scores or kill ratios.
>>319670158
this
school's purpose is to efficiently get kids through secondary and teritary socialization and hopefully teach'em basic shit.
>>319670118
>there is a video on xvideos of her being gangraped
Please post link
>>319672718
>Because of shit we don't fully understand
Well then, please teach me how to train my reaction time because I'm like 17f at best
>>319672813
Bullet hell or platformer's with the occasional rpg currently fucking with shovel knight not bad for $25
>>319672924
I don't fucking know. I'm just saying that you can't make sweeping statements about things that are still scientifically up in the air.I'm a scientist and people doing that triggers me a little
>>319672861
I think I found it.It's fucking hot
>>319670158
The fact that you think this is this is true proves your lack of education. High school is a joke in America, but there are plenty of college degrees that you would have an extremely difficult time teaching yourself without having an instructor and curriculum available. No one actually becomes a doctor just by reading wikipedia, even though everything they learn is on there.
I have to go guys my fever is really bad. Sorry, thanks for replying to my thread.
>>319672861
she wasn't raped, just brutally fucked by like 4 dudes. it's some serious mind break shit.
MODDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSS
NOT VIDEO GAMES
>>319673120
That is partly because schools provide the only way to actually practice. And it's the practice that makes all the difference.
>>319673105
what are you waiting for then
You can't really be trained past basics like what you'd get in a tutorial, it's just a matter of improving reflexes and skills by playing constantly. And if that doesn't work for you, then you'll just have to accept that you aren't good at that game, or at least not pro level. Not even "pro gamers" are good at every game, they're usually only good at one game or genre that they autistically devoted themselves to. Also, reflexes get slower with age. Can't avoid it. Kids and teens will always be inherently better at twitch shooters than someone in their mid 20's and up and it's not a matter of skill.
>>319670303
0.292
Too slow.
>>319673038
Well then, what's wrong about my statement?
>Reaction time is biological
Is this untrue? Individual biology has a huge effect on it. Even if you can train it somehow, you're starting at different points.
>It's not something you can effectively train
Is it? Are you aware of some effective method of training reaction time?
>>319669073
Take the money you would have spent on a lesson from a professional and buy some meth. I used to play competitive dota2 every day on that shit and it was a fucking ride man.
>>319673272
I'm masturbating right now, bro.video19233/cody_lane_gangbang
>>319673210
Still have to see it. I've got a thing for rough gangbangs.
>>319672924
Fucking practice you mongoloid, pros aren't good because they have godlike reflexes, they build muscle memory from playing CONSTANTLY.
>>319671086
probably has something to do with attainability. some people are more attracted to less attractive women because they appear as the type of women they might actually be able to get, rather than the fantasy women people normal swoon over
>>319673370
go to pornmd
search cody lane
it's like the first few videos
>>319672861
all you had to do is go on xvideos, search cody lane gangbang, and found the most horrifying one of the two videos.
http://www.xvideos.com/video19233/cody_lane_gangbang
>>319673349
Because we don't fucking know.
You can say "we currently assume this, but there's evidence to suggest x y and z"
don't make a statement that's meaningless. If you say anything, make a proper fucking statement. "this is the stuff we currently think is true, here's the things that we have to support that, here's the ways that we know currently impact it"
Don't take currently debated topics and make statements that act like the debate is over, or meaningless statements like "biology impacts it" well no fucking shit.
>>319673392
Are you retarded or did you reply to the wrong comment? I am talking specifically about reaction time here.
>>319673553
You're not pointing out what part of my comment was wrong. Everything I said was correct, wasn't it?
>>319669073
>ITT
Git gud
>>319673551
You have to understand you're on /v/they aren't to good with the internet.
>>319673663
No, it's debated.
Except for the biology part which is meaningless because fucking everything related to you is biologically influenced. (just not in the ways some people think)
>>319669073
>>319673571
Fuck reaction time, you just need to play whatever game you need to be good at.
Repetition is key, and something tells me you just want a quick fix.
>>319670706
>Depends on what you mean by good.
So you're utter trash.
>>319670303
>got a .77
>then a .87
>then .668. 768
what is happening? how do i get faster?
>>319673362
>using any drug that changes your physical looks permanently
you're a fucking dumbass, anon. stay on LSD, weed, and shrooms like smart people
>>319671469
>0.314. They told me I was slow.
Your reaction time is worse than that of a fucking floppy disk.
>>319672861
Who's this semen demon?
>>319673793
It's not debated. There currently exists no known effective way to train your reaction time.
Regardless of whether it might be possible in the future is irrelevant. I have all the physical capabilities to perform surgery, but I cannot perform surgery because I do not know how. No one in the world knows how to effectively train reaction time.
You say the biology part is "meaningless" but it's directly relevant to the statement I was making, regardless of how many things are influenced by biology. My purpose in making that statement was to make it clear that you will not obtain world-class reaction time unless you are inherently gifted.
>>319673370
cody lane blue room
If you play enough you can become good at the game yourself. Along with reading stuff on the internet for map tips, ability tricks, advance movement, and even build orders.
If you put the effort into something there should be no need to pay for their services as a mentor. If you want to become good practice, do research, try inhouse leagues and play people who are better than you.
>>319672718
>But that's wrong.
It's not.
Chewing gum, taking coffein or even fucking coke has nothing to do with being able to effectively train it.
>>319673874
Reaction time is a very important key aspect of competitive gaming, particularly fighting games. You can compensate and work around it but you will always be lacking in that area if you don't have it. There will be things you can't punish, combos you can't hit confirm, mixups you can't react to etc. This will keep you from being a world class player.
I think you replied to the wrong comment. I'm ranked in my state for my game of choice and I didn't get there through quick fixes.
Do you think I'm OP or something? I'm confused.
>>319673362
filthy fucking russian
>>319674036
>lsd
>like smart people
acid is one of the worst things you can do for your brain, especially if you're a long time or habitual user.
my town is rave/hippie central and I've seen enough deadhead, zoned out hippies to know that acid is not good for you, especially if you do high doses
>>319674358
>he thinks fighting games aren't all about muscle memory
You're not special, you just have no life.
>>319674465
Hi scrub
Go talk about some game you know anything about
>>319669828
Not to add fuel to OP's retarded fire, but with hourly personal training sessions from a pro-basketball player every week you would most likely improve immensely.
>>319673227
The importance of having a teacher is to help catch and correct mistakes. At the collegiate level, most instructors don't do this. They regurgitate the book and grade your work. The best way to learn is practice with immediate feedback. A video game player watching you and catching your mistakes / highlighting your successes would prove useful.
Not arguing at you, just tacking my piece on somewhere.
>>319674465
How to spot a Marvel player
>>319674532
>I have no argument
>>319674465
I'd say mid level players don't need to rely on reactions, as muscle memory is good enough. At higher levels though higher reaction times are definitely needed, and anyone who has seen high level street fighter knows that it's self evident.
>>319669073
Insanely pathetic. All the "pro" games are easy as fuck.
>>319674409
my wife did a lot of lsd when we were dating and she was fucked up even after she stopped
2 years later, she's back to normal now
drugs that affect your appearance should be #1 on the avoid list though
>>319674715
I don't need one, anyone who knows what they're talking about knows you're full of shit and I don't give a fuck about anyone else's opinion
Besides, what's your argument? REACTION TIME DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE _____________
>>319669073
She's so old and dead inside
>>319674550
If its a shooter, git gud
If its an assfaggots,watching a replay of your game helps tremendously. Also having any higher mmr/elo friend would because it takes seconds to diagnose dumb play.
If its hearthstone, fucking consider suicide.
If its dota 2 OP I'm near 5k and could give you some tips for free, jsin.
>>319674806
Go earn some money at Evo then
>>319674036
When CS was becoming an esport meth and coke was the drugs of choice for the players. It allowed them to stay up all night and practice.
>>319674998
No thanks I have enough money
>>319671469
I got 2.18 and I'm fucking 30 and I've never played anything competetively in my life, if you get one tenth of a second slower than me when you are 22 competetive gaming most likely isn't for you (and 22 is pretty old to start anyway), you will only get slower with age
>>319674853
>I don't give a fuck about anyone else's opinion
>still responds to fucking greentext
Not that guy but holy shit, could you be any more mad?
>>319669073
Why bother?
>>319674889
that's what's so fucking hot
nothing turns me on more than women reduced from being human being to becoming nothing more than a cumdumpster
Everyone who's saying you become a pro by just playing is wrong. You will need guidance if you want to significantly shorten the amount of time needed. The problem is, you need to have a good outlook on what is necessary or hope that the pro player is good at teaching in the first place if you want a significant amount of information from just a few lessons. But even in best case scenario you won't be learning most of the intricate things.
The whole problem with the learning process is that you fall into logical traps trying to learn things that lead to nowhere, so you will find yourself wasting a tremendous amount of hours on doing something that keeps you from improving, because a better player had already found that the solution didn't work way back when.
Tutoring is good for sure, but you need a lot of it, so that you can learn efficiently on a daily basis. It would probably be way too expensive from a pro who does tutoring and is also most likely not really relevant in the competitive scene anymore.
>>319675451
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
>>319675451
Professional videogames is a timesink for hopeful chlidren and select few who excel enough at it to MAYBE get picked up by a team/do well in tourney play.
If you dont want to put the hours in that you consider wasted then leave it as a hobby.
>>319674358
Almost all mixups are guessable and fuzzy-able because they aren't true 2-choice or 3-choice guesses, the options execute at different speeds, they are weighted by risk and damage potential. People are predictable enough for actual guessing games like rock paper scissors to be competitive, no joke.
I really don't see how reaction time is going to mess with your ability to punish unless you're really slow. Can you give an example?
>>319669073
End yourself
But first
>play the game more
>watch replays of yourself
>make sure you look at all the retarded things you do
>stop doing them
>look for opportunities where you did something wrong
>play the game more
>learn all the matchups, concentrate on one or two characters
>don't autopilot, always think about what your opponents next move or reaction could be
>try to set the pace of the match, be defensive if you have to
>don't let time go to waste, always watch your opponent if you can afford it
I'm pretty sure this should help with a vast majority of games, mainly with ones focused on 1v1s. If this doesn't help you, you are either not following it or you are a hopeless shitter and should stop trying to play competitively because it will get you nowhere.
>>319675793
Problem is competing on even grounds vs others who also lack the knowledge is different to competing vs people who already make use of the optimal methods. He'd simply lag behind no matter what because if he's already struggling to improve without external help that means he doesn't have any inherent talent, which is needed for competing in the first place, but that's beside the point.
If you want a real life example just take any profession into consideration. Does anyone simply wing the learning process for a profession that requires a decade of learning? It would be awfully inefficient.
>>319676359
except thats literally what videogame pros do.
>>319675840
True. The amount of talent and practice required is beyond reasonable, and you also need to have an edge over the rest of the talented people, so you need to improvise at all times.
Still, tutoring would improve his progress significantly, so that he could avoid the boring grind. With the right teacher and not being overly ambitious he could strike a balance
>>319669073
If it means that much to you then do it.
People pay trainers to get better at their hobbies.
If you've got the cash then more power to you.
Go for it. It's your cash and no one should ever tell you how to use your god damn money.
>>319669073
is this honestly a thing? I'm surprised they can teach anyone /anything/
pro gamers that is, they need to be told when to eat, how can they possibly help someone else learn intricacies? sounds like a big scam.
>>319669073
Could you teach someone to speak english? Knowing how to do something is no guarantee you can teach someone else how to do it.
If you are so interested in improving watch his streams.
>>319676532
Yes, but holy shit understand that pro players get into new games the moment they're released just for the sake of having that edge over everyone else. You're not going to shine getting into something others have already had years and years of experience without being exceptionally skilled. Why do you think so many pros resort to streaming and quit the pro scene? It's because as the time goes the chance they will outskilled grows exponentially.
>>319676359
1 on 1 lessons seem like overkill though, watching tournament games and whatnot seems like just as good of a way to go.
It's also good to keep in mind that teaching is a skill itself, which I'm sure most pros don't bother to develop.
>>319676853
>If you are so interested in improving watch his streams.
>>319677379
I never do shit like that, but I think its better than paying someone to coach you.
I don't even watch streams or LPers, I have read guides though.
>>319669073
just as pathetic as hiring a personal hockey coach
All a coach is going to do is look at your fundamentals, tell you to work on them and then collect your money. If you're at the point where your fundamentals are on point then you don't need a coach to tell you what to work on.
Not to mention a one time coaching session wouldn't do shit for you anyway, coaches have to work with people for a long time to really have any effect.
I know you dont want to say but what game are you trying to get good at?its probably melee and he know he'll get shit posted to death for saying it
>>319675934
Guessing has a lower success rate than reaction. Out-guessing the opponent is how you play competitive video games.
If a move has a frame total that is your optimal punish + a number greater than your reaction time you will not be able to whiff punish it on reaction
>>319671173
Shit I forgot that. Sorry senpai
