https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-first-handheld-steam-machine
What are you waiting for to throw money to ouya steam edition?
>>319641390
What about the SteamBoy?
>>319641390
>kickstarter
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA
>>319641390
Oh look, it's another Nvidia Shield.
Dedicated portable gaming devices are dead. Look at the 3DS and the Vita.
>>319641854
3ds sold well
can't wait to play dem steam release on a sweet arm-based handeld
>>319642037
silky smooth 5fps
>>319641920
It doesn't print money anymore.
Is the in-home streaming any good or does the input latency make it unplayable with most games?
>>319641485
>he doesn't like gambling hundreds on hopes and dreams
God anon, try to grow a soul.
>>319641390
>csgo on the go
Beautiful
>>319641390
After the Ouya literally did not work when put next to other electronic devices, there is no fucking way I am ever kickstarting another piece of hardware again.
>>319642296
>again
>big company uses kickstarter to fund their handheld console
I guess it's ok when valve does it.
>kickstarter
Swappable buttons are awesome idea.
>No mention of how powerful the APU is
So not powerful at all, at 1080p, with possibly 4GB of RAM. Sounds like a great idea.
I'll just pick it up if it actually works and if it's released. Fuck using kickstarter as a preorder.
eh, i've made worse decisions
>>319641390
If it's strong enough to play fighting games I'll get one.
Is what I was thinking but it looks like it doesn't even have a D-Pad or an equivalent. So fuck this thing.
>>319641390
>that 5million stretch goal
Look at these memesters
>>319642296
Difference is this is literally just a piece of hardware. Ouya had to make an OS, get games, etc.
>>319642856
Scroll down the page abit anon
>>319642856
It has these things, which seem to snap onto the touchpads? No idea how they'd work though, shit's not explained. I don't imagine they'd work well.
>>319642917
Ouya had to make an Android launcher.
>>319642490
this isn't by valve
it's a random retard who's installing valve's "os" onto a handheld and calling it a steam machine
>>319642490
Absolutely a retard.
>>319642995
>>319642968
>>319642856
Well. If it can run the games well. And the D-Pad actually works and isn't shit.
I might get one after they are reviewed and tested.
>>319643062
That's what Steam Machines supposed to be, anon
>>319642490
do you have hay for brain?
>>319643125
but this retard is saying "valve" is kickstarting this shit when it's a random group of dopes begging for just short of a million dollars to R&D a piece of shit
>>319642917
>the Ouya's hardware sucks so bad that it literally does not work when placed next to electronic devices
>"the only thing you have to rely on with these people is that they'll make good hardware!"
>1080p PC games
>5 inches screen
I can understand giving money when there is something to show like a demo or a mockup, but why should anyone give money to something without even seeing a fucking prototype.
>>319643390
Everything besides the hardware is already done. If they can show the games run fine on it then that's everything covered.
Ouya crashed because nogames that you couldn't just play on your phone, not because the games were so graphic intensive it couldn't handle it. They were literally android games.
>>319643537
Kickstarter actually requires a prototype anyway. I don't see this being on kickstarter for long.
>>319641390
I want to know what that battery is made of, usually these emulator machines don't reach the third hour.
>>319643612
This. As long as these fucks are not going to show that a game runs fine for more than one hour, this thing is destined to fail hard. Besides, how can this thing manage 4 hours of gameplay? How much energy does the battery have for that matter?
>>319643749
They say it's 5 hours. But yeah, most likely they're lying. I see no way of this shit lasting more than a couple of hours if you're doing anything with it that isn't just keeping the screen on.
>>319643450
That sounds about right. You are aware that very low ppi of your monitor is precisely why you need to use anti-aliasing, right?
>>319643749
Scrap the battery, how does this thing even ventilate or not overheat itself if it runs any game?
oh nice, new handheld. the other two were getting boring.
>>319642490
Anon please, it's better to be evil than to be retarded.
>>319643062
>>319643093
They're using a proxy company, so what?
>>319643915
I'm pretty sure they are using some AM1 apu there, that shit needs 10w and it doesn't get hot at all
>>319641390
>kickstarter
dropped
>5 hour of battery
>at 1080p
>with AMD APU
>"Powerful enough to play any game on the market"
Yeah, fucking bullshit
5 hours on standby mode, low grade 1080p screen with APU that can barely run Reborn on low at 60 fps and Witcher 2, a game from 2011, at cinematic 24 fps with equally cinematic drops
>>319644070
Any insights on how well these APUs can run games?
Looks cool, I guess.
Will buy it if it's good.
Does it run wow or battlefield?
The Alienware alpha is the shit, I haven't come across any game it can't run at at least medium. Including Witcher 3 and Crysis 3.
>>319644261
Depends on what resolution/settings. Vita ran pretty good looking games at 540p and that technology is pretty outdated by now.
>>319644261
Like 30fps low LoL, that fucking processors are 30-50$
>>319641390
>Not a single mention of being able to connect keyboard or mouse to it
You will be able to do so, right?
I mean, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of the thing being portable. But lacking the option to even do so really sounds like a poor idea.
>>319641390
>first handheld steam machine
There's already the vita.
>$500.000 to preinstall emulators and a multimedia platform
>$2.750.000 to support windows
I actually like the idea. I think the biggest problem would be the affordability - there's no way this thing will be both reasonably priced AND good.
Plus, it's a Kickstarter. No goddamn way.
>oct 2016
Well, maybe they got some ZEN apu inside by then, but its pretty unlike since you can't trust the kikestarters
>>319644453
Sounds at least a little promising, but I am really doubtful about that thing being able to emulate anything beyons 720p
>>319644487
Guess we gotta wait for some gameplay footage then.
>1080P SCREEN
>**************actually a stretch goal, otherwise 720p
LOL
>>319641390
This is retarded.
smartphone/3ds/vits/psp are infinitely better options
>>319644730
Who said anything about emulating? It's steamOS. It's not made for anything except playing linux games.
>>319644765
So true. Valve should just have made a full fledged mobile client where you can install games on your smartphone. There is shitload of indie garbage that are also smartphone games.
>>319641390
Okay anon, which one of you guys made this?
Why would anyone think this is a good idea?
How many people want to play PC games on a handheld? Vita and WiiU were such success right?
Phones are killing handhelds.
>>319644261
>The portable includes the aforementioned G-Series “Steppe Eagle,” which is a system-on-a-chip (SOC) that combines the central processor (CPU) and graphics processor (GPU). AMD introduced this new line of chips specifically for smaller gaming and medical devices, but this doesn’t mean it is going to handle the latest releases.
>
>To put this into perspective, it’s important to know that the top-of-the-line Steppe Eagle is equivalent to AMD’s Radeon 8400E graphics card or Nvidia’s GT 740M.
>
>For more reference, here’s how the Radeon 8400E performs with several big games from the last several years, according to the benchmarking site Notebookcheck.net:
>
> The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011) on Low and 1280×720: 16 FPS
> World of Warcraft (2005) on Medium and 1024×768: 43 FPS
> Diablo III (2012) on Low and 1024×768: 38 FPS
> Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag (2013) on Low and 1024×768: 16.5 FPS
>
>Put simply, the Smach Zero is probably not worth spending $300 on for big 3D action or adventure games. It will handle certain free-to-play games that scale well like Dota 2, but most people probably won’t want to play that on a handheld.
http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/11/you-wont-be-playing-the-witcher-3-with-the-300-portable-steam-machine/
>>319644797
>Who said anything about emulating?
The kickstarter page?
>>319641390
>AMD
This thing is dead on arrival.
>>319644671
>We wont sell the company to Facebook, ever!
doh ho ho!
>>319644875
Well, there it is. inb4 the power of ganoox.
>>319644671
>that five million backer reward
my sides
>>319643612
>Ouya crashed because nogames that you couldn't just play on your phone, not because the games were so graphic intensive it couldn't handle it. They were literally android games.
You can apply this same logic to this junk too.
>This toy will crash because nogames that you couldn't just play on your windows laptop, not because the games were so graphic intensive it couldn't handle it. They are literally ultra low end windows games.
It's also going to be expensive as they're an OEM and have no choice but to profit from the hardware and will have an extremely limited hardware set up. I doubt it can even play something as basic as TF2. And the controllers look like shit.
>>319644671
>we won't sell our company to facebook, ever!
AHAHA, funny guys
As if someone gives a fuck
Designing shitty gaming platforms is not an achievement in tech, Chinese and every ricer gaming company have been doing it for a while
>>319644797
Wrong wording, my bad, but I am still dubious about the idea of being able to play Witcher 2 on a handheld without any problems.
>>319644875
That is a good source, reassures me that some stuff will not be possible for now.
>>319644875
>on Low and 1024×768: 16.5 FPS
>400€ machine
>>319644875
>> World of Warcraft (2005) on Medium and 1024×768: 43 FPS
So it's the equivalent of the PC I used to play WoW on in 2004?
>>319643612
What. Part. Of. This. Are. You. Having. A. Problem. With. Are. You. Mentally. Retarded?
The. Ouya. Does. Not. Work. When. Placed. Next. To. Other. Electronic. Devices. If. They. Show. Their. Machine. Working. Who. The. Fuck. Cares. It. Could. Have. The. Same. Amateur. Flaw. For. All. I. Know. If. Not. Something. Worse.
Quit. Talking. About. Shit. Past. The. Fourth. Grade. Reading. Level. You. Stupid. Spaz.
>>319645162
Steambeciles will actually buy it.
Q: What is the actual GPU being used?
A: The GPU has 2GB of dedicated memory
>>319644875
Doesn't surprise me that chucklefucks like Kotaku jump on that shit for more cred immediately.
>>319645217
4chan is a 18+ website.
>>319645340
So leave.
>>319644875
>16 fps on low
This is even worse than most consoles
This is one of the worst infographics I've ever seen. I can't fucking read it at all
>>319645358
I'm not even the guy you were replying to. Just go away.
>>319645362
It's far worse since it's at 1024x768 as opposed to the consoles which are at least 720p by now.
>>319645273
Literally just appealing to the market that only thinks higher number is better. Shit will be the next Ouya if the kickstarter will be funded, can't wait for the disappointment videos.
>>319645217
Dumb fucking nigger
>>319641390
>caters to the Tumblr folks
nope.jpg
>>319644875
Taken from the same site, we have our first Smachdrone:
"This is an utterly absurd article!!! You're comparing a device that is $300 and FITS IN YOUR POCKET to devices that are either 4x the price and take backpacks to transport or are IMMOBILE. Compared to other portable gaming devices, the Smach Zero's ability to play over 1000 steam games is UNHEARD OF. You should seriously consider changing your article to compare it to other similar devices like the Nvidia Shield Portable and the PS Vita (don't even bring up the New 3ds, unless you're having a laugh) and realize that this portable device is going to completely DOMINATE its direct competition. If you're a PC man or console enthusiast with absolutely no interest or basic knowledge when it comes to portable gaming, then you have no business writing an article when it comes to one. This device isn't made or advertized to be playing next-gen games, so I will redirect you to a list of Steam OS games that it will be pulling its lineup from. It is the first portable device capable of playing many of these games. Here are a few that I'm personally excited about: Psychonauts, Half life 2: Episode 2, TF2, Postal 2, Knights of the Old Republic 2, and more, not to mention playing games that are also available on PS Vita on an actual 720p screen. Yeah, that's right, this is the only portable gaming device with a 720p screen that will fit in a pocket."
>mfw 4gb ram
>>319645641
With that GPU they could have gone with 2GB since it's not going to run any games that need more anyway.
>>319645217
It is actually one of the worst post I've seen all year, and /v/ is a shitposting haven
Get the fuck out, this is beyond usual newfaggotry I expect from faggots like you
>>319645629
He sort of has a point I guess? There's a niche that this would be able to fill. Namely playing low cost/old games on the go.
This kickstarter does not market towards that at all though. People are going to expect to play Fallout 4 (at low), and they will just not be able to.
>>319641390
Looks like a piece of shit.
>>319645442
What the fuck is this.
>>319645217
Whatever point you were trying to make got lost amidst your autism.
>>319645804
Pretty much this. Why pay for a portable SteamOS handheld that has specs that exceeds these old games if they are not the target audience?
>>319642037
Its built around an AMD x86 SOC, so it actually could run SteamOS. The bigger problem is that AMD's OpenGL support in Catalyst is pretty much garbage. So either they're going to have to use the Open Source driver which provides better performance at the cost of less software support, or hope that AMD delivers on improving their own stack.
Of course Mesa is getting pretty close to OpenGL 4.3 with compute shaders looking like they'll land in 3-6 months well before this thing is likely to ship so perhaps they won't be in as bad shape. Especially if Feral and Virtual Programming update their porting tools to spit out Vulkan instead of GL.
>>319646310
The open source AMD driver didn't perform as well in 3D games last time I tried it. But maybe it's just the 7000 series having shit support or something.
In fact, it wouldn't go above 20 FPS in Dota 2 no matter what graphics settings I used while the proprietary one ran only slightly worse than the Windows version.
But as far as I understand the state of AMD drivers in general on Linux is much worse than it is for Nvidia.
>>319645804
For all the stupidity of the Ouya, at least they didn't actually do any false advertising, it more or less was exactly what was promised. Even the infamous survey never promised anything.
Meanwhile, this device outright relies on bullshit claims for its marketing efforts. Saying it's capable of playing Metro: LL is HEAVILY stretching it, if you're using the lowest possible poverty settings and still only getting 12 fps. I guess it'll technically "run" as in you can start the executable and verify the game logic works on the device, but that's it
>32Gb internal storage
WTF is this shit?
>>319646549
Depends on what you played and how long ago it was. RadeonSI, the driver for 7000 series GCN 1.0 and GCN 1.1 hardware is now faster than Catalyst in Dota2 and other games that don't rely on OpenGL 4 features.
The OpenGL 4 support is still immature though with tessellation in particular halving performance, but that's most likely because it only picked up OpenGL 4 support in the last version and its still missing compute shader support and other GL4 features that can improve performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY5yG2KyQfM
>>319647017
So he bought it just to make this video, pathetic youtube retard.
>>319641459
this is the steamboy
It's so ugly but it's functionally perfect for me. I don't know what to do.
>>319647337
that looks uncomfortable
>>319646549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__sWX3G9sDM
The RadeonSI open source driver has actually gotten to be really good.
Just not sure if this device will really be able to provide a good handheld experience though no matter how good the drivers are because of how low end the SOC really is. It would be like gaming on a AM1 system.
>that emulator stretch goal
Whoo boy, I bet Nintendo is going to love that one if they actually get there.
>>319647337
Wait till it finally gets released after n years of delay and laugh at the retards who put in $lods for something that (likely) turned out to be hot garbage
>The prototype is a PC plugged into the handheld
No one is buying into this, right?
>>319647616
http://www.jxd.hk/game-console/s192/
It is released. That's the problem.
>>319647616
The emulator and Kodi stretch goals are bullshit, Retroarch and Kodi are already packaged for SteamOS so getting them working is really easy.
Dude, 4GB of random access memory memory!
>>319647731
Oh. Serves me right for not looking at the picture and using my brain cells I guess.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that basically the Shield tablet with some physical controls strapped on the sides?
>>319648070
It basically is, yeah.
Which means it's fucking perfect for me but I'm worried about build quality.
Why do they keep making shit like this? There is no real market for this shit.
>>319646549
Well i have a 7000 series too and it get 144fps (144hz monitor) in dota2 using windows 7 so you are doing something horribly worng
>>319648215
I said I got fine FPS on Windows and with the proprietary Linux driver, but the open source driver did not work well.
From the other replies it seems like it has improved though.
>>319648169
It's a good portfolio piece
>>319641390
>SMACH Z
What an awful name.
>>319642143
That image is REALLY important if it's true.
That means...
On average...
Wii owners would buy 9 games for their system. DS owners would buy 6-7.
Wii U owners buy 6. 3DS owners buy 4-5.
That's amazing. AMAZING. I wonder what the numbers are for PC gamers.
>>319648842
>I wonder what the numbers are for PC gamers.
most people play F2P
>>319648842
Valve has said before that its only about 1% of Steam users who have over 100 games on their account. Certain niche markets though are much more likely to have higher rates though, one of the reasons why Linux users get so much support despite still being a relatively small market.
>tfw like handhelds
>want this to succeed but in my heart I know it won't
Ah well, if it goes well then yay, a good handheld. If not, then I'm fine because I didn't blow hundreds.
What is Nvidia Shield?
>>319648842
The numbers don't really work with PC gaming, the platform is just so different
This reminds me of the Pandora. Anybody remember how terribly that went?
>People could "buy" it starting 2008
>Production was delayed for years across several revisions
>It took them until mid-2013 to finally finish producing and shipping pre-order units
>The system still had 2008-grade specs
It was like a Kickstarter before Kickstarter.
That said, I don't mind the idea of an open-platform handheld gaming device that actually looks like a gaming portable, unlike Shield. I definitely wouldn't pre-order something like this before reviews hit and I honestly wouldn't expect the first model to be worthwhile.
This kickstarter also has a lot of signs of overpromising without giving the impression of actually knowing what they're capable of.
>>319642143
It prints fucking software money.
>>319649497
The Pandora is a great thing, though, specially for the time.
>will run games pre 2015
>will run 90% of games on lowest settings
>1 hour battery life
>>319649497
>This kickstarter also has a lot of signs of overpromising without giving the impression of actually knowing what they're capable of.
Really, when you see all these lofty claims without the numbers to back them up, you know it's going to be good once the hammer of truth drops on the poor saps who backed this thing. The whole situation kinda reminds me of the OUYA, but at least that was cheaper and they were transparent about the device's actual capabilities
>>319649497
But the pandora was actually good. I mean, it can play DS and ps1 games at full speed being a 2008 device.
>>319649653
This, if they find a way around this, I'd be impressed. The pro version has more RAM and internal memory and 4g connection (I bet A&T is gonna be the only provider holy shit) but that's about it.
The concept seems interesting and I do like the idea of being able to switch out controller parts. And they seem to already have a prototype working and know how well it can perform, but they're probably just exaggerating it's capabilities. I really expect to run about 2-3 hours on light load games like Bastion or something at full charge. A hour on Witcher 2 or something, but I suppose you're supposed to stay plugged in like a laptop?
Good thing about Kickstarter when you don't back projects, if a project goes well, I don't lose anything and I can buy it later (for a somewhat higher price but that's the cost of being cautious I guess). If it fails, then cool, I don't lose out on hundreds of dollars.
I actually do want to see this do well because the idea seems cool but I don't see how they will pull it off.
>>319649874
About the only questionable things I see on their kickstarter page are the images with games that aren't yet released for SteamOS but they aren't showing any games that haven't been confirmed as coming. It seems though that this thing will only perform well in more modern games if they use Vulkan which would probably work a lot better with its SOC chip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_I8an8jXuM
>>319650251
>And they seem to already have a prototype working and know how well it can perform, but they're probably just exaggerating it's capabilities
They are. If they went for the most powerful SoC in AMD's lineup (doubtful), it's going to be on par with $499 laptops from a couple years ago.
>>319650432
They're outright claiming it's powerful enough to run all games in the market. Really, watch the video blurb, then check out this hot product brief and tell me with a straight face it's going to fulfill those claims.
http://www.amd.com/Documents/AMDGSeriesSOCProductBrief.pdf
>>319649480
Its Nvidia's Android/ARM based tablet/handhend/console product line.
The thing that makes this more interesting is that because its x86 based and running SteamOS it has access to a larger library of actual PC games that it could run, while the Shield can only stream PC games from another system outside of tiny library of games ported specifically to the Shield.
>>319648842
It isn't really a fair comparison to make. I mean I bought some PC games 20 years ago but I certainly don't play them on the same computer I used back then, so a better comparison would be how many PC games you buy for each time you upgrade your hardware I guess.
I have no idea how many games the average person buys any more though. And on PC maybe people don't buy games at all any more since they can just play LoL and Dota for free.
>>319642143
It's 4 years old now.
>>319650760
Hardware wise, they're probably not wrong that all the SteamOS games would work with it, but how well they would work is an open question. AMD's Linux driver is still is pretty poor shape performance wise and while the open source driver can run all the games they specifically mention a lot of the newer games require features that it doesn't support yet.
Even if the driver situation improves, or if companies deliver on Vulkan support it will probably be playing a lot of games at 960x540 quarter resolution or at other lower non-native resolutions.
>>319650198
>being a 2008 device.
Is it really a 2008 device when almost nobody could get one until 2012-2013?
Still, my point is that there's a lot that can go wrong, especially with time, when trying to develop a portable gaming device without the backing or experience of a company like Nintendo or Sony. That October 2016 estimate seems insanely optimistic.
Like Pandora, SMACH is just making hardware to support an established Linux distro.
They're also promising specific software/firmware issues they might be underestimating:
>Connect another gamepad and play on Multiplayer!
>Use SMACH Z as a gamepad controller for your PC.
>steamos
isn't win10 free?
>>319651478
>almost nobody could get one until 2012-2013?
I was under the impression that they produced batches that you bought into after which the devices were made and that it simply didn't become generally available to purchase until later.
I remember back in 09 seeing people with them online because the phone I had at the time, the Nokia N900 had a very similar hardware and OS set up and the instructions to get games working were often provided for both.
I don't think either of the gamepad situations would be a problem, Linux's support for Gamepads is excellent.
>>319651615
No, upgrading from select Win7 and Win8.1 installations is free for a limited time.
>>319651615
No. Only to users upgrading from legitimate copies of Windows 7 or 8, and only for the first year that Windows 10 is available. All new systems this year from OEMs or built at home must purchase a proper Windows 10 license for $199. Obviously for a $299 device including a Windows license even a lower cost OEM version of a crappier tier is a bit of a cost burden
The Smach Zero hardware will probably run Windows regardless of whether they hit their stretch goal or not, but it doesn't sound like they intend to ship devices with Windows pre-installed at all just that they would provide some kind of technical support to users installing it themselves if they pass that tier. Windows 10 isn't really designed for use on a system like this, I doubt it would work very well even if you managed it.
>>319652150
Windows licenses for manufacturers are actually really fucking cheap compared to the assrape tier retail pricing. When I got a custom built PC as a birthday present some years ago from a mom&pop computer store, removing the Windows license and going with my own would've saved me 30 euroshekels. I'd imagine it's even cheaper for the big manufacturers
>>319652447
That sweet deal pricing is often unavailable to companies who aren't producing only Windows systems. That's probably why they're only talking about 'supporting' Windows, not offering Windows as a pre-installed option.
>>319652150
>The Smach Zero hardware will probably run Windows regardless of whether they hit their stretch goal or not
Driver issues are extremely likely when trying to run Windows on a system not meant to support it.
It's like trying to run Windows on an x86 Chromebook: Will the Wi-Fi work? The touchpad? The keyboard? Probably not. Will you be able to plug in USB mice+keyboards+ethernet? Probably, but you might also run into issues with using those USB ports on Windows.
Even though (some) Chromebooks are x86 and fully support BIOS booting, you can't expect Windows to "just work" on them like Linux does.
>>319653814
This isn't a Chromebook though, SteamOS is a more standard Linux distro than ChromeOS and needs a more standard PC to run on. Though you're right, Linux and Windows do have slightly different hardware needs and varying levels of driver support in different areas.
The main driver issue this thing will face though will definitely be the poor quality of AMD's OpenGL support. On a desktop system with a R9 level card the performance penalty isn't terrible since you still get a playable framerate, on a lower end system like this it could produce unplayable results. I guess we'll see what will happen in coming months and if AMD sticks to their guns on improving the open source drivers and retiring Catalyst.
![617TAu5iGdL._SL1000_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/flYAFmq.jpg "617TAu5iGdL._SL1000_[1].jpg")
>>319641390
>not using the screen as a cover for the buttons
At least try to make it compact.
>>319654687
yeah because this thing wasn't a complete failure
>>319656851
The PSP Go failed because it was a digital-only device.
>>319657453
And the controls were comfortable and it was ugly, just like you
How restrictive is SteamOS?
Can I install things that aren't Steam, like Wine and stuff on it? Can I emulate my Chinese digital picture books on it?
>>319658102
Yes
>>319658102
Yes, it's essentially just Ubuntu that boots into Steam big picture mode. You can close out of Steam entirely and install any DE you want etc.
>>319641390
So. How come "the portable Steam machine", is first made by a third party and not Valve themselves considering how many other Steam machines they are selling?
>>319658690
There is no Valve-produced Steam machine aside from the Link.
>>319658690
Because the "steam machines" are fucking plain computers you retarded piece of shit
>>319658815
>Because the "steam machines" are fucking plain computers
And this is a reason for them not selling portable computers, how?
>>319658690
the point of steam machines IS being produced by 3rd parties
>>319659016
Because AMD NUCs with a fucking screen attached to them aren't a thing
