The AI in this game is the most rage-inducing, cringeworthy pile of utter fucking garbage I have ever had the misfortune to bear witness to in my entire life. Thank the good lord for piracy, since if I had listened to the shills on /v/ and actually paid money for this Nintendo would've thought they'd done something right.
I've literally had my fucking teammates, with the tactics set to LET'S GO TOGETHER, turn around, walk in THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, and KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM ME NO MATTER HOW FAR YOU CHASE THEM, and then promptly decide to engage a higher level enemy on their own and eat shit and die.
I have specifically set the AI to "follow me" to avoid situations like this, and they have literally IGNORED THIS SETTING, WALKED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, AND ENGAGED IN COMBAT. I have set it to "Don't Use Moves!" in a desperate attempt to get the fucking stupid teammates to stop fighting and RUN, and they remain in combat regardless.
Tactics do nothing. This is not a strategy game- this is a gimped, glitchy, poorly thought out mess with C grade animations and shit-tier story.
Do not go anywhere fucking near this open fucking gash on the face of video gaming, shit though the state of things may be.
>>319623918
op that has literally never happened to me
I am beginning to think that you simply suck
if they try engaging enemies either get in there yourself so you can take them out through numbers or use your items to disable enemies
>>319624019
I've also never had this issue either.
I mean, I've had some retard shit happen to me, so it's not perfect, but I don't know what OP is doing.
>>319624310
>>319624019
it's probably anti-piracy
or OP is just really bad at the game.
>>319624178
>get in there yourself
It's a bit hard to do that when you're in combat with an enemy, and your teammates literally stand there in an L shaped block of spaces away from the enemy, refusing to either move in range or attack, and then, halfway through the fight, turn and walk in the opposite direction- evidently chasing some other monster that is perpetualy just off screen.
It is literally impossible to catch up with them if they're 2-3 spaces away all of the time, and by the time you do, you've been dragged through the whole dungeon, aggroed every enemy and half your team is dead.
You can't fight. You can't chase. You can't engage. The number of possible solutions to this problem is precisely and exactly zero. This is the result of flawed coding and poor game design, and nothing else. Nothing the player does or can do can prevent this.
>>319624421
Nintendo wouldn't code anti piracy that way. They would either just block it with a Black screen or remove a feature that's necessary to progress.
Ah, I remember the days of M&L BIS Anti Piracy.
>>319623918
they're probably just running to pick up that item on the other side of the room.
>>319624497
This doesn't sound at all like the game I played.
How far into the plot did you get having such severe issue?
>>319624497
There are items to round up your team if you want, if you want allies to stay in place and only attack nearby use wait there, and use get away from here if you just want them away from the enemy
There's also Alliances which warp everyone to focus on the enemy you are
>>319624497
well, if no one else has this problem, then have you considered that it isn't a design flaw and you are actually shit at the game?
With Follow Me they will literally never move without you unless they're teleported away. With Let's Go Together, they will only approach close enemies that are attacking you and surrounding items. That is how it's programmed. That is how it works. There is footage, on the internet, of this being a working mechanic in the game.
You either are so retarded the AI is somehow affected by it, or it's a punshiment for pirate scum like you.
I just downloaded that game. Who should I pick for the starters?
>>319623918
So are you just running straight through the rooms and making a beeline to the exit and not stopping to fight and collect items?
>>319625096
>picking your starter
>>319625096
Oshawott and Fennekin
>>319624782
>how far in the plot
I'm just past theLitwicks and Giratinaarea, and doing generic dungeons at the moment. It just happened to me fifteen minutes ago in one of those plain forest-y dungeons where my partner went and chased a Deino that was perpetually off screen.
EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. I took a step, the game would pause, go and show the partner off fighting the Deino, and then jump back. I know this is intended in a turn based game, but holy fuck, when the partner has literally run to the other side of the dungeon and is getting its ass beaten, this is the single most frustrating thing in the world.
Initially I thought it was a feature- like the over-eager hyperactive personality was intentionally put into its AI, but then I had Deerling do the same thing and I fucking lost it.
They're clearly chasing the incidentally appearing monsters that roam the corridors as they inadvertently stay out of eyesight- but holy shit it is the single most disgusting christing shit I've ever experienced.
>>319625096
Just go with who you like. You're stuck with them, so you might as well like them.
Chespin, Totodile and Charmander all have strong movesets, though.
>>319623918
>I've literally had my fucking teammates, with the tactics set to LET'S GO TOGETHER, turn around, walk in THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, and KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM ME NO MATTER HOW FAR YOU CHASE THEM, and then promptly decide to engage a higher level enemy on their own and eat shit and die.
Here's what probably happened.
>you walk in one direction
>partner detects an enemy off-screen and engages, a behavior that is part of Let's Go Together
>partner starts to wander because that's what they do when they're too far from your zone of influence
>I have specifically set the AI to "follow me" to avoid situations like this, and they have literally IGNORED THIS SETTING, WALKED IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, AND ENGAGED IN COMBAT. I have set it to "Don't Use Moves!" in a desperate attempt to get the fucking stupid teammates to stop fighting and RUN, and they remain in combat regardless.
You're either describing the situation inaccurately or you're a lying piece of shit. The AI never ignores Follow Me unless you turned it on when they were distanced from you.
>>319623918
I haven't gotten to play PSMD yet but try switching off ranged moves if you want them to not attack enemies, I replayed Explorers recently and sometimes had to turn off Razor Leaf/Magical Leaf for Chikorita so she wouldn't wake up sleeping Pokémon two steps away.
>>319625284
You have a map on the touch screen, you know. It shows you everything in the room.
>>319624624
That's basically how the Earthbound piracy worked until the last boss.
>>319625218
>oshawott
Is shit. Pick Piplup. His final evolution is cooler.
>>319625603
>evolving
>in mystery dungeon
>>319625506
How the fuck did I forget about earthbound's AP
Man they must have been smoking a lot of crack to come up with that shit in the 90s
>>319624992
>there are in game options to round up your team
I shouldn't HAVE TO use my items or money trying to fix obvious programming flaws. My team should do what I tell them to exactly 100% of the time. This isn't negotiable. This isn't a design choice. The Pokemon either do what I tell them or they don't. If they don't, that's exactly 100% a fuck up of the programmers, case closed.
>>319625218
The only acceptable answer.
>>319625698
Escape this thread while you still can.
>>319625698
Uh, yeah?
Didn't you play the game?
>>319623918
I've played the entire game only using let's go together or go after foes during boss fights, and I've never seen anything like what you're describing
Your game might be borked
>>319625062
>>319624421
>>319624019
>lel git gud faggit
See, I'd agree with this line of reasoning if YOU COULD ACTUALLY CONTROL YOUR TEAM. If the player is in control of it, sure, then it's my own fault when this shit happens. But I've literally exercised the limits of my control over the game to prevent this from happening and it still does. There is no "Let me choose every move for every member every turn" option. At the end of the day, 2/3 of your team is controlled by a robot.
Yelling "git gud scrub" at someone who is completely beholden to poor AI isn't just stupid- it's completely inapplicable.
>>319625450
Well, now that >>319625727 has pointed it out, I think that's what's happening to you.
Your partners are engaging in combat, but you just go on and once they are done, they just wander because you got too far away.
Literally no one else is having this issue, so it's something odd on your end.
>>319625727
Sounds to me like you refuse to work with the game. Items are meant to be used.
>>319625474
>implying I don't know about the central feature of the entire game series
what were you even hoping to gain from that post? it just doesn't even make sense.
>>319623918
If anything sounds more like anti piracy stuff. which it may be because I've never encountered this ever.
>>319625881
Also, can you make a video of this happening? I want to see. Even shitty quality would be okay.
>>319625881
git gud
>>319623918
Why does this remind me of that F-Zero GX rage postSomebody post it to refresh my memory
>>319625907
>they wander when they're too far from you
OP here, this is most likely what's happening. It's a fucking stupid idea, though.
>>319625963
Because you keep talking about theoretical off-screen enemies in the room when you should be able to tell if they're there from the map
>>319626079
>can you make a video of the AI controlled characters being controlled by the AI
>implying you can't just youtube it
>>319625881
well, you can actually take command of your partners by touching their name in the touch screen
don't know if it's unlocked yet
also, this has happened to no one I know of so either >>319625450 orgit gud
>>319626201
wait what
are you fucking serious?
hahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHA
you really are retarded my man
>>319625881
The AI isn't perfect but you clearly don't understand how to reign it in if you're the only person in the thread describing this as a major issue.
You know what I do when my partners walk away? I go after them so they go back to their default follow behavior, as opposed to walking away like a drooling idiot wondering why they're not following me anymore. Better yet, I let them walk around until one of us finds the stairs since the team forms up on every new floor.
>>319626274
***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
>***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
>***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
>***THEY'RE NOT IN THE ROOM***
The teammates ****LEAVE THE ROOM**** and FOLLOW ENEMIES THROUGH CORRIDORS, continually running away from me no matter how far I chase them, and then proceed to get their ass beat.
>>319626287
This isn't happening to anyone else and doesn't sound like standard behavior.
>>319626336
>well, you can actually take command of your partners by touching their name in the touch screen
That's right. You can control one teammate. Once. Per turn.
Every single move you make, 2/3 of your team moves of their own volition as determined by the AI.
The "git gud" argument literally just does not apply in this case because there is literally zero player control over all three characters at once. This is a basic fact of the game design.
>>319626505
It is standard behavior and there is already an explanation ITT for why it happens. The OP is just making it sound worse than it is like a baby.
The game is difficult and partners wandering if you let them get too far away is part of the difficulty.
>>319626337
>hurr hurrr you know what I do? I GO AFTER THEM
>OP literally describes going after the runaway teammates in explicit detail
Here anon, this is for you <3
>>319626425
Set them to wait there so they don't keep wandering and you can regroup
>>319625727
You don't directly control your Pokémon, you know, they're AI controlled and you just give them orders.
Carry 1-2 Rollcall Orbs with you, seriously. I always have one on me in the older games (haven't played PSMD) even if I'm in a two-person party, they'll save your life.
>Use a rollcall orb
>Use a pure seed and warp to the stairs
>Find the objective and leave the dungeon
How are you having trouble with a fucking mystery dungeon game, OP?
>>319626750
>wahhhh I don't like mystery dungeon games this should be a turn based strategy like fire emblem
If you turn on Follow Me at the beginning of the dungeon the AI will NEVER wander away from you unless you hit a trap. This is a fact. Stop being a crybaby pussy.
>>319626635
>it's standard behavior, you're not allowed to complain about it, it happens to everyone
>it's standard behavior
>standard behavior
I know right? We should just stop trying to cure cancer, it happens to everyone. It's standard behaviour. If you complain about it you're just making it sound worse than it is like a baby.
>>319626425
it sounds like you had it set on Let's Go Together, your partner was teleported or it aggroed on an enemy, you got away from it instead of following it, you set it on "follow me" and wondered why it wasn't following you from the other side of the dungeon, then you set it on don't use moves like it would magically teleport them by your side, went full on DSP and complained about how this game has trash AI for this one thing that happened one time and was entirely your fault because you don't understand game mechanics.
Next time, follow them before they get too far away, rush for the stairs, use a pure seed, use a rollcall orb, take control of your partner and move him away from danger, set it to follow me from the get go, be not shit at a game for 3 year olds, try to understand the concept that your teammates can't follow your tactics if they're not following you.
>>319626909
>turn based strategy
>fire emblem
You mean Sims 5: Japanese Waifu Expansion Pack?
>>319626809
What's funny is I've NEVER needed a rollcall orb in Super so far in the 20 hours i've put in. AI pokemon that have managed to wander off seem to focus on making their way back to me. Even then your teammates even uncover the map making it easier to find the stairs.
>>319626950
>devs include an element in the game ON PURPOSE in order to increase difficulty
>this is the same as getting cancer
/v/ is so fucking bad at analogies it's astounding.
It's even sadder when you're the only assblasted person in this thread trying to make it look like a game flaw.
OP is a fag, everyone hide the thread now.
>>319627062
>AI pokemon that have managed to wander off seem to focus on making their way back to me
...good for you? That's clearly not what's happening with OP- the Pokemon get separated through their own incompetence and continue to wander until they die.
Charmander/Totodile is best team.
>>319623918
>complaining about glitches in game
>in a pirated version
fuck off
>>319627062
>teammates even uncover the map
Did they add that? I remember the map wouldn't get uncovered unless you checked on them every turn in Sky, that's a nice addition. You can switch between party members on the fly, too, can't you? Seems like it'd make dungeon crawling (at least for a dungeon where you don't risk getting wiped for splitting up) a lot quicker.
>>319627130
Not him and he's retarded, but you could argue God created cancer on purpose.
>>319627130
>devs include element in game on purpose
yeah sure mate let's just intentionally code poor AI in a team-based strategy game. While we're at it, let's intentionally make the teammates in Half Life 2 walk into walls, and intentionally make Elizabeth in Bioshock leap off rooftops to her death. It's for difficulty. You need to git gud if you can't handle the deliberate suicide of your teammates.
>picked Tepig as my protag and Chespin as my partner because I like them
>about 5 hours in realize that later I'll have redudant typing with them
Fug
>>319627257
You mean Mudkip/Torchic.
>mfw people pick their starters instead of using the quiz
wew
>>319626967
>you set it on "follow me" and wondered why it wasn't following you from the other side of the dungeon
More like I set it on "follow me" and wondered why it wasn't making a priority of returning to my side to follow me and instead deliberately chose to walk away. "Follow me" kind of sounds like it'll "follow me" because of the words and the way that English tends to work. Weird, I know.
>>319627638
I'm worried about the quiz when I get the game, don't want to get stuck with some awful shit like Riolu as my player character. I might just bail and pick manually in that case.
>>319627473
Ok smartass.
>SMD partner walks away
>options are provided for recovering them in the form of orbs
>options are provided for quickly clearing floors in the form of wands and seeds
>Stay There command
>if you don't use either of these they can still defend themselves (even better if they have emeras equipped)
>if they wander away they uncover the map, so some players let them wander on purpose
And then you present your retarded scenario where games are hypothetically programmed to have the AI kill themselves and make you lose, while SMD is not.
>>319626817
>uses items to protect against poor code and design decisions
>consciously defends this fact
>>319627638
The quiz wanted to give me Riolu as my partner, so of course I had to pick something else.
>>319627927
he's just giving you tips to be less shit OP
>>319627257
I liked Oshawott and Fennekin. Oshawott on melee, Fennekin on ranged.
It helps their evolutions go together perfectly aesthetically, two tool users.
>>319627825
This all sounds very well and good, except for the entire goddamn premise of
>AI literally set to
>LET'S
>GO
>TOGETHER
>SMD partner walks away
Do we see the crucial error here?
Do we have good enough reading comprehension to understand why this might be a fundamentally flawed premise?
>>319627670
Are you too dumb to figure this game out or something?
Using Follow Me to bring your partners back doesn't work if you were stupid enough to let them wander. This is why you set Follow Me while they're still next to you and prevent the problem from occurring. They will not wander if Follow Me is active and they were right next to you when it was turned on.
I feel like I'm explaining this game to a 7 year old.
>>319628129
>let them wander
yeah see that's funny when the OP said
>I chased them down
>I tried changing their AI
>I tried following them
>I ignored enemies to try to catch up to them
>I asked them to go together with me
>I asked them to follow me
>I asked them to not use moves
haha yeah they sure were stupid enough to *let them wander*, wat an ass amirite?
>>319627670
>"Follow me" kind of sounds like it'll "follow me" because of the words and the way that English tends to work
and that's exactly how it works
Follow Me doesn't mean "search for me because I am a mouthbreathing retard who can't understand the game mechanics of a game for little kids"
>>319628117
>AI battling another pokemon
>You leave the AI to battle it
>Surprised when it doesn't follow you
If you left me while I was fighting some asshole I wouldn't want to go with you either.
>>319628117
The only reasons your partner should walk away from you when set to "Let's go together" are
>There is an item in the room
>You are already fighting an enemy and your partner has a long range attack, and is getting into position to use the long range attack
If your partner walked away from you and you were not in one of these situations, you did not actually have them set to "Let's go together" and you are lying.
>>319628117
Psssst
Hey faggot
Let's go together doesn't mean what you think it means
The setting makes your partner behave like you do. Notice how they walk towards items when you don't tell them to? Notice how they attack enemies? Notice how they explore the dungeon?
They're going through the dungeon WITH you, as if they were doing what you would do. Don't like it? Turn on Follow Me and let them follow you like baby ducks before they're too far away to listen to you. I'll beat this into your head until you understand. Follow Me is the end-all solution to wandering AI when used properly. Shut the fuck up and fuck off.
>>319628325
>Follow me doesn't mean search for me
You're right
anon
it
means
>Follow
me
It would definitely be hilarious to have an anti-piracy that irreversibly sets all party members to fucking panic and run away
>>319628575
exactly
which is why it will follow you
when it's set while they are around you
and not on the other side of the dungeon
where they can't follow you
because there is no you to follow
yet you seem like they should still follow you
even though they can't because you're not there
thus, you want them to search for you
>>319628638
You can still beat the game with only one Pokemon, though.
It would be ludicrously hard, but still possible.
>>319628638
>fucking panic and run away
it could be easy to do since the ability Run Away does basically that.
at least it did in older games
>>319628719
Which is why you also make it so reviver seeds and apples never appear either
>>319623918
rollcall orb
>>319628856
might as well make it so you gain half exp and the stair always appear on the last room you visit on the floorand each room with the stairs is a monster house
>>319623918
>playing babbys first roguelike from a franchise whore for 60 FUCKING DOLLAROOS
i would recommend the roguelike general to anybody interested in competent roguelikes.
>>319629221
>roguelikes
>good
meme genre tbqh
>>319629221
>60 dollars
Didn't know they raised the price
