ITT
Vastly underrated spin-offs
>>319611094
itt
poorly managed and thought-out spinoffs
bonus: the localization removes content and puts in a meager 'bonus feature' that means jackshit
It's rated pretty accurately by most actually.
>>319611094
chocobo dungeon 2 is pretty rad actually.
>>319611094
No that's rated just fairly.
>>319611094
it was so close to being pretty good. but as it is, it is horribly mediocre.
>>319611316
mah nigga, hoping for a new one to release on the 3ds one day.
>Lucrecia horribly written (even for FFVII) and an all around horrible character
>Vince falls for pedobait worse than Yuffie because she has Lucrecia's memories
>Gackt cameo that Square-Enix had to try to follow up with for Crisis Core
>Cait Sith stealth sequenceonly lasts for so long
It's fine, OP
![872422-sonicriders1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SISfSHw.jpg "872422-sonicriders1[1].jpg")
I still play it from time to time.
Mario RPGs
How the fuck were you supposed to be able to beat those VR missions in DoC? Like, fucking seriously.
Okay, now let's post vastly overrated spin-offs.
>>319611094
Oh man I played the shit out of that even thoughI've never played FFVII
>Write a western story about a cowboy who has a huge black revolver named Cerberus
>One of the girls in my writing class brings up this game
I had completely forgotten this game existed, to be honest.
>>319612784
>>319612784
Hey, fuck you buddy
>>319611094
Meh, it was ok. Took too much flak for being a FFVII spin-off, sure, but it wasn't all that great either.
I finished the game back then and I can barely remember the plot details.
I remember the last boss though.FUCKING HOJO, EVEN IN DEATH YOU DON'T STOP FUCKING THINGS UP, that piece of shit.
>>319613393
Yep. Still better than MGS5.
Based Platinum.
>>319613539
>ur muh living legacy
Nah fuck you m8 that shit was disgusting.
>>319613916
Even MGS4 was better than 5. Oh wait it's "V" because Kojima suddenly decided to switch over to roman numerals.
>>319613539
the only good thing about that game was the Price of Freedom. the rest is fanfic tier bullshit.
>>319612784
That final fight, I had no way of losing it.
I had easy recovery and massive damage, no risk of dying.
I hate that, my Zack could have just won that fight and survived... what a load.
>>319613539
WHOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>319612784
Crisis Core is a legitimately good game. Fuck, its a game based on the biggest plot twist in FF7 and Zack makes for an awesome character.
Only issue it has is faggot Genesis.
>>319613393
>game is more fun than any Metal Gear game before it and a fantastic action game in its own right
The only thing really wrong with MGR is the fact that there will probably never be a sequel.
>>319613393
playing this game right now!
Armstrong is fucking me up would vote 2016
While not the most underrated spin-off ever I still want a proper sequel to this more than most new games.
The only thing I dislike about DoC is the newgame+ mode turns it into complete artificial difficulty
It turns into a sniping game where you have to learn enemy placement because even shit in the first chapter will like 3 shot you.
I got to rosso before I dropped it on newgame+ because I would run out of ammo mid fight and the melee tacked on as a last resort is suicide
>>319616041
>Only issue it has is faggot Genesis.
And the story takes a steaming dump on everything already established in FF7 including turning Zack into a Mary Sue somehow related to every vital plot point in the overarching story, and that the gameplay is even worse than the worst that Kingdom Hearts has to offer etc.
>>319617000
Yuke pride worldwide.
>>319617023
Playing as Chaos was dogshit. they really should have thought that out better.
>>319617000
>mfw I need to buy a fuckton of link cables and game boy advances just to play this with my brothers
Literally why? I want to replay it.
>>319616041
My nigga.
But I also hated Cloud's english VA
>>319611094
remember me /v/?
>>319613916
>>319616415
It's a watered down Devil May Cry, by the guy who made the shitty ones in that series.
It isn't good.
>>319618296
he made the first DMC only.
Not going to argue it isnt a watered down DMC but its still miles better than any of the mainline mgs titles
>>319611094
this game promotes yuffiexvincent even though they created a marry sue for him
and I support it 100%
>>319611094
I only remember it for Shelke the amazing skintight bodysuit wearing 13 year old
First time I actually rubbed it raw in awhile
>>319618125
>spin-offs
>>319618296
>>319618372
You're both fucking moronic.
Kamiya had nothing to do with MGR and someone completely different, who had both good and bad titles to his name iirc, directed the game.
It's not really as good as Bayonetta, Devil May Cry 3/4 (eh, it might be better than 4), Ninja Gaiden Black, or The Wonderful 101, but it's certainly a great game in its own right. I'd put it on maybe the same level as Bayonetta 2.
Dirge of Cerberus was one of the worst games I've ever played.
The maps are a chore to navigate through because movement is a fucking hassle. Vincent jumps really high but barely jumps forward, and for some reason they give you a great dodge roll in the tutorial only to immediately turn it into an 'EDGY DARK DASH" that barely moves you two feet to the side.
Combat is awful, aim-assist can't be disabled, there's no point in using anything besides the pistol because of cost of ammo. The pistol is the only gun that gets alternative weapon frames that aren't gimmick items, and yet you have to grind a secret minigame for hours to fully upgrade the best pistol.
Engine is fucking garbage. Enemies are only generated during cutscenes, and so the already slow gameflow is broken up by cutscenes every 20 seconds. Enemies regularly get stuck in walls or on terrain. The bosses are tedious as fuck to fight, Azul in particular is one of the worst boss fights because it's literally running in a circle and spamming magic back at him, with no indicator at any point in the game that you'd need to upgrade your materia. If you didn't upgrade it, the fight will take fucking forever.
The writing is some of the worst shit I've ever seen in a video game, regardless of whether you relate it to FF7 or look at it by itself. The characters, including Vincent, are all one-note idiots who only ever do ANYTHING because it advances the plot to the next boring shooting gallery. It doesn't help that the voice acting is outright horrible, meaning you won't give a shit about the awful story because you'll be skipping cutscenes to save your ears from the pain. It's not even the funny kind of bad, it's just cringey as fuck and it's kinda insulting that the developers expect you to take it seriously.
>>319611218
I think it got heavily panned in JPN, with a lot of comments saying it should have been an action game, and in return SE tried to tweak it to better fit in line with those comments, but NOPE. The game probably would have been better with the 3rd birthday system with vincent's different transformations as part of the mechanics instead of the stupid dna thing, but then the same thing could have been said for 3rd birthday itself and using (M)Aya's PE powers. Either way at the time arena shooters were the dominant interpretation of FPS/TPS type games, so the slower play was doomed, now though, post GeoW, it'd probably suit a lot of people.
>>319619569
>aim-assist can't be disabled
You could disable aim-assist though, I distinctly remember doing this after I realized you can play the game with KB/M.
>>319620750
>underrated
>>319620949
I have a mission to someday play through every Mario Kart clone there ever was, including this game.
They should make a new one.
>>319621148
isn't it?
>>319614338
It's the letter V. Not 5.
>>319621330
You, sir, have good taste.
>>319618853
It's a bottom of the barrel action game. It's on the same level as DmC but without the hate attached to it.
>>319612292
I loved that game for some reason. Everyone else I knew thought it was meh at best.
>>319622040
It's babby's first SRPG but it's fun anyway.
>>319622045I haven't played DmC yet,but I sincerely doubt that since there's actually some depth to the game, and some tech to it, but just not to the degree of any of the games that I mentioned.
Besides, a bottom of the barrel action game would be vanilla Ninja Gaiden 3 or Devil May Cry 2, and MGR is by far and away better than either of those.
>>319621330
Shit I just bought this yesterday. It'll be my first Pokemon game.
>>319611094
Seriously? Dirge of Cerberus was terrible. Ended up buying it only to take it back to the shops the next day. Shitty DMC clone that couldn't meet anything close to its aspirations.
>>319611094
I love me some fate unlimited codes
>played it before I knew what fate even was
A-atleast I'm no longer a dirty secondary :^)
I liked Dirge of Cerberus a lot but I can admit that it was a pretty bad TPS
>>319621701
It's not. Everyone's talking about it since the DLC came out.
>>319622683
good times
F2P but when I played you could easily unlock everything worthwhile if you were actually good and even though it fucked the lore I guess (never got too deep into the real LoK lore besides just playing and enjoying the game) it was still a lot of fun
>>319622040
Fuck off with your pretentious nonsense.
>>319622683
This right here
>>319622501
It was nothing like DMC.It's far worse.
>>319622683
Came here to post this.
>>319611094
I seriously don't get the thought behind making this game. Like, you're going to make a spinoff game of FF7 because it's a cash cow. Okay, but then you make a game about Vincent.
What?
You have the perfect set up after Advent Children to make a character action game where you can do cool shit using the Fusion sword, and instead you make some weird TPS/action game hybrid that plays like shit. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective, and it doesn't make sense from a making a good game that's actually fun perspective. The very inception of this game being made boggles my mind
>>319621932
3deep5me
>>319611094
LITERALLY just Final Fantasy Unlimited: The Video Game.
>>319625278
Kitase really likes FPS games.
>>319625509
But it's not an FPS. It plays nothing like an FPS.
>>319622313
shut the fuck up your apologist kill yourself for the shit taste
>>319625278
You make a good point
where the fuck is the spin off action title using the fusion sword?
>>319612784
This so much. The story took a rancid, steaming dump on everything good about FF7 and the gameplay was an extremely repetitive hack and slash with some weird slot machine gimmick because the Japs are so obsessed with gambling for some reason.
>>319625568
I like eating, but that doesn't make me a chef.
>>319625706
XV
>>319625706
Maybe after the FF7 remake.
>>319621330
>1 move per Pokemon
Could have been much better.
>>319611094
Well, I enjoyed it.
>>319625706
>>319625278
I seriously just think that they were out of ideas and wanted a vessel to reuse the plot of Final Fantasy Unlimited of Chaos vs Omega and Vincent was perfect since he's exactly the same as the Black Wind gunman (I mean, come on, they both have golden arms) and then they invented Weiss to be the White Cloud swordsman and tadah, a recycled product.
>>319625781
You don't get me. I'm not saying they made a shit FPS, I'm saying it is clearly not designed as an FPS. It's designed as an action game with all the fun of beating the shit out of people cut out and replaced by badly done third person shooting, and the two don't work together at all. It's more like saying "I like eating, so I'm going to cook some food and intentionally burn it".
>>319625823
Seriously. Like, I wouldn't have minded even having to equip one move at a time on Pokemon just as long as they HAD more than one move total.
Some pokemon were such shit once you evolved them or competely lost their synergy with their warlord or made no sense to be with a particular warlord.
And typing was kinda fucked too.
>>319621330
Deserves a sequel to polish the concept.
>Niggas hating MGR.
There will be blood
>>319626053
Ah. I think the JP release was more fps like, but the poor reviews caused them to try and salvage it as an action game in the US, and it came off as broken and disjointed.
>>319612784
To be fair FF7 itself is vastly overrated to begin with. Though I agree that CC is much worse in terms of quality.
Fallout: Tactics
>>319625593
>has no real argument
>resorts to ad hominems
'k breh
ROCKET SLIME ADVENTURES
LOCALIZE THE SEQUEL GOD DAMN IT SQUARE
>>319626165
Overrated =\= Bad
Someone can enjoy something and still feel its overpraised
>>319627340
Hell, a lot of my favorite games I consider to be receiving more praise then they deserve.
>>319627340
I wish I could believe that on the Internet.
Does this count?
>>319625772
Not to mention it brought in a whole generation of newfags wanking over Zack while calling Cloud a loser emo who stole his gf.
>>319611094
I didn't think it was a very good game personally, but if you enjoyed it, I'm glad.
>>319622886
Right when this shit came out on PSN is pretty much the time I finished the VN, it was fucking amazing. The first thing I did was try to recreate as many of the fights as possible.
>>319611094
i liked this game but never got past the guy with bandages all over his face, when he turned into some monster in the middle and you had to walk around and their were barrels or something. pretty good game.
>>319617000
I fucking loved both DS ones, but I never played the Gamecube Crystal Chronicles.
>>319630085
no this game was mediocre and shallow, it would be DLC in this day and age.
>>319611094
It was a mediocre game with a lot of missing mechanics.
Seriously it's a mission based game but your stats/unlockables don't even carry over and it relies on an auto-save system only
>>319611231
Overrated.
>>319612784
>mfw Cloud is pretty much Venom Snake
>>319613393
Only good for the bosses and the music
besides that gameplay is ass
>>319631825
shhh it's /v/
we're not allowed to talk about mgsv here
>>319614338
Shit taste detected; I think it's terminal.
>>319625278
> character action game
It always gets me how utterly idiotic the term is. Beat'em up still describes those juggling exhibitions really well.
>>319630641
>PSN
Oh shit is it really?
>Probably not for PS4 lol
Fuck. I enjoyed emulating this shit on PPSSPP.
>TFW getting all of Archer's aria lines out and the music changes.
>>319612292
>>319621330
>>319622683
>>319622886
You guys are cool.
>>319632115
Yeah but some people used to (I don't really know if they still do) get really butthurt if you called anything but the old side scroller types Beat'em ups. Giving them their own name is fine.
>>319623225
It shouldn't have been a LoK spinoff.
>>319631825
Cloud was nothing like Zack though.
>>319632012
Kill yourself CCbabby
>>319632115
>making up genres
Please don't do that.
Bayonetta is an action game, one the purest there is. Just action. The end.
>>319632115
>>319637604
>>319634328
Character Action Game is a colloquial term. It's always been. It's not supposed to be a genre describer, just a term people on /v/ used to use all the time to describe games like DMC and Bayo.
Fuck, if you guys weren't so fucking new you'd remember that it was borne from the DmC fiasco; on /v/ even.
>>319638243
>to describe games like DMC and Bayo.
ugh bad wording, meant to write "to refer to games like DMC and Bayo".
>>319638243
Yeah man I love playing CAG's they're so much fun!
does no one realise how stupid the term sounds?
>>319638553
Do you read everything you write aloud or something?
How it sounds doesn't mean jack shit on an imageboard.
>>319638243
>It's not supposed to describe a genre, it's just supposed to describe games that have these generic features
Do you understand how words work?
>>319638694
Do you?
Character Action Games are but an incredible few.
Ninja gaiden Series.
Bayonetta
DMC
Viewtiful Joe
Wonderful 101
God Hand
MGR
That's pretty much it.
Stop being a newfag and getting mad at people for using words .
>>319638243
It's a dumb phrase because it's trying to fill a niche that's already filled. Would anybody at all be confused if you described something as a 3D beat-em-up? It's like if somebody went around saying that we all needed to start calling mystery novels "crimey-solvers"
>>319638921
3D beat-em-up is much more broader of a term than you think dude.
Are you trying to say that God of War is anywhere near the same to DMC?
Are you sure you aren't just a casual?
>>319638243
>just a term people on /v/
So just you?
Because I sure as fuck never use it.
>>319638921
Let me put it this way.
You post "Character Action Game" and people will immediately know what you're talking about.
That's all it does. That's it's purpose.
Action games, 3D Beat-em-ups, Hack and Slash, all applicable but MUCH more broader than what's required.
Character Action Game isn't a pretty or "accurate" term, but it works.
>>319639178That's because you're a newfag who gets angry when people use words they're not used to.
Also it isn't exclusive to /v/. People/Sites outside of /v/ who are fans of games like DMC and Bayonetta still use the term.
>>319611094
I like this game. The mechanics are pretty decent for a console shooter of its time and the story is hilarious if you don't take it seriously.
>>319616041
>Only issue it has is faggot Genesis.
Genesis is annoying, but I love how he gets BTFO at every turn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUAFrBNSyY
>>319639378
correctionthat you're not used to.
>>319618125
Maximo is great, both of them. You are a cool guy.
>>319630085
I guess it kind of counts as a spinoff/sequel to the infinitely superior Shinobi PS2.
>>319637074
And Venom was nothing like Big Boss
BB was always very talkative, for one.
>>319639378
What's really sad is that Character action game isn't really that old of a term.
It only started getting used around 2012.
But whatever, newfaggotry is just the nature of 4chan.
>>319623225
Jesus christ, get this shit outta here.
>>319640153
And Hack n' Slash was originally used to refer specifically to Diablo-likes.
>>319640153
The term was first used to describe Crash Bandicoot, which actually makes sense because that's a mascot game where the main character and his image is absolutely vital. The game exists to push the character and the brand, not the other way around.
In contrast, imagine if you took DMC3, kept all the mechanics the same, but replaced Dante with a generic player-created avatar. Would it still be a "character action game"? Everything else about the game would be identical, but without a "character" to center it around. That's why "character action" is retarded. It's tacking an extra word on that has nothing to do with the content of the game. Just calling it an action game is enough because every other style of game that "action" could refer to already has a better, more descriptive genre name, and it succinctly describes exactly what those kinds of games are about (the combat, aka the action, and little else).
>>319640450
This is true, but to go a little further, it originally comes from fantasy books and tabletop D&D as a derogatory term to refer to players, stories, or campaigns that focused entirely on combat and not on the role-playing. It naturally got carried over to games like Diablo because those are games based on tabletop D&D mechanically, but entirely focused on combat with all the role-playing taken out.
>>319640887
Yes, which is why it makes no sense that no the term refers to games like Devil May Cry which resemble Diablo in that both feature swords and demons and that's it.
>>319611094
I enjoyed this game even though i never played FF7. The bossfights were fun and the waifus great (pic related, best girl)
Would have been better with decent shooting controls though
>>319612116
>Vince falls for pedobait worse than Yuffie because she has Lucrecia's memories
pics
>>319640887
You're being a newfag again and looking too deeply into the term.
Maybe you should relax and try playing some character action games yourself.
Also changing the dante to a player avatar wouldn't do anything to the reliability of the term.
The mechanics are pretty much the sole focus when it comes to character action games.
You can try to create your own term if you want, but trust me, nothing that currently exists is concise enough to refer to the games "CAG" covers.
>>319640887
You do understand your point is a non-point right?
Even if it wasn't Dante and was a player avatar, you're still playing as an avatar. Also Character action games are defined largely by their mechanics, not who you play as.
>>319641457
holy fuck I am not a roll today. Meant to write "You're still playing as a character."
>>319641252
>>319620750
its only underrated by haters, who cant actually accept that this is a great game and top 5 from this year!
>>319640940
Take a nap. Come back. Read what your wrote. Rewrite it.
>>319641572
>This is pedobait to neo-/v/
>>319641572
Looks like she belongs in Kingdom Hearts
>>319641609
Sure, but only if you learn to read first.
>>319641572
>thiskillstheplot.jpg
>>319641284
I'm not even the same anon you were arguing with before, and calling me a newfag when I clearly know more about this subject than you is pretty cute. I also play these games more than you do.
>You can try to create your own term if you want
"Action game" has been around longer, and is a better term to describe these kinds of game.
>The mechanics are pretty much the sole focus when it comes to character action games.
>>319641457
>Character action games are defined largely by their mechanics, not who you play as.
Do you not realize how retarded this sounds? If the mechanics are all that matters, why name the genre after the characters? You're both saying that the character has nothing to do with the genre (a point I agree with), so why call them "character" action games? You're saying an extra word that has nothing to do with the games you're referring to, which is exactly the opposite of what a genre name should be.
>>319641797
>why it makes no sense that no the term
>>319641906
Typo. It's obvously supposed to say "now." Use your brain.
>>319641824
Even if you're not the same newfag, you're still a newfag.
Pretty much everything you wrote has already been refuted.
>Action game
Too broad of a term. Shooting games are also action games
>why call them "character" action games?
It's a colloquial term that was borne out of the necessity to refer to games solely like Bayonetta, DMC, NG, etc.
Not meant to be pretty or accurate, all that matter is that people know what you're talking about.
Ya know, the fucking definition of a "colloquialism".
>>319641958
cut me some slack, it's 7am and i haven't slept a wink.
>>319641824
>Action Game
>Includes titles like Dead Space, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Just Cause 2, and Assasin's Creed.
>Using such an incredibly broad term to refer to games with mechanics like Ninja Gaiden and God Hand.
You're a moron.
SOON
>>319611231
That's not underrated at all. It's rated fairly and accurately.
>>319642639
something feels incredibly off about this picture.
>>319627340
This.
>>319642702
Is it the cutting edge PS3 graphics, which were then horribly gimped for the jpg screenshots?
>>319641643
She's like 20 stuck in a 9 year old's body.
>>319642702
Or maybe you're one of those faggots that don't think that glasses automatically make women more attractive?You're probably one of those filthy footfags.
>>319641110
If you capitalized your I's, I'd be scared you might be me.
Replaying it is a bit of a chore on hard, fun mounted gun section though.
>>319641110
>play DoC without playing FFVII
For what purpose? I had to force myself to finish it and I'm an FFVII fanboy.
>>319641707
Welcome to every piece of the FFVII compilation outside of the fucking game itself.
>>319642908
>>319642639
Nah. her neck looks a bit too long and the lack of shading underneath her chin makes it look like her head isn't attached porperly.
>>319643212
>Welcome to every piece of the FFVII compilation outside of the fucking game itself.
And even that's going to change with the remake.
>>319642884
That's right, I remember that now.
>>319641806
What plot?
>>319643212
I found it cheap on a fleamarket back then i think
>>319643309
>Barret wearing sunglasses
>at night
>in a place where you can't even see the sun
Jesus Nomura, what the fuck are you doing?
>>319642150
>Even if you're not the same newfag, you're still a newfag.
Except I've been here longer than you and know more about these games than you do.
>Too broad of a term. Shooting games are also action games
I already refuted this. Literally every other style of game that "action" could refer to has a better, more descriptive name. If the primary focus is aiming at and shooting things, it's a shooter (first or third person, depending on the camera view). If the objective is to navigate an obstacle course where the stage itself is the main source of challenge, it's a platformer. If you're given a wide open space with tons of objects to interact with, it's a sandbox. If the primary focus is on avoiding enemies to get by with minimal combat, it's a stealth game.
>It's a colloquial term that was borne out of the necessity to refer to games solely like Bayonetta, DMC, NG
It's a term invented by the developers at Naughty Dog to refer to their mascot-oriented game, where the "character" is an inseparable component of the experience.
But keep calling me the newfag.
>>319642416
>Dead Space
Horror/shooter
>Grand Theft Auto
Sandbox
>Call of Duty
Shooter
>Just Cause 2
Sandbox
>Assasin's Creed.
Sandbox/platformer/generic Ubisoft mishmash
None of these games put their focus primarily on combat, except for CoD which is more precisely referred to as a shooter. Games like DMC/Bayo/NG are literally all about combat. They're all about action. They're not about the character. You've both admitted this but are just too stubborn to admit that "character action" is a retarded term that means nothing.
The point of a genre is to succinctly describe the content of a work so that consumers can quickly identify it with other similar works they've experienced. Adding an extra word to the genre name that (by your own admission) has nothing to do with the contents of the works defeats the entire point of having a genre name to begin with.
>>319643493
Don't be afraid of a guy wearing sunglasses at night
>>319643536
It's not a genre term. It's a colloquial term.
Also appropriation is a thing. Nowadays "Character action game" is used in sole reference to DMC-like.
You spent all that time to type up a bunch of shit that isn't even relevant to the discussion.
Holy fuck you are dumb. Mad and dumb.
>>319643493
The future is so bright
>>319643536
>>Dead Space
>Horror/shooter
>>Grand Theft Auto
>Sandbox
>>Call of Duty
>Shooter
>>Just Cause 2
>Sandbox
>>Assasin's Creed.
>Sandbox/platformer/generic Ubisoft mishmash
All still "Action games" buddy. The same title you're trying to lump Bayonetta and DMC under.
You're logic isn't as sound as you believe.
>>319644005
>It's not a genre term. It's a colloquial term.
Do you even know what you're saying anymore? What exactly do you think genre terms are? Do you think a phrase like sci-fi isn't a colloquialism?
>>319644171
The point is that they all have other terms they can be referred to with that more distinctly describe their content. Lord of the Rings and The Matrix are both action-adventure fiction, but only one of them is high fantasy. DMC and CoD are both action games, but only one of them is a first-person shooter. Also, I'd argue that a game like GTA, which focuses just as much on exploring it's open environment and interacting with the world as it does on combat (if not moreso) isn't really an action game at all. Not a pure one at least.
>>319644345
Big difference.
Science-fiction is a term that's used by everybody.
While the term "Character action game" is only used by people who are familiar with said style of games.
While some people call it a sub-genre, the original intent was to ease communication between people who loved CAGs.
You're discussing semantics in a conversation about usage.
>>319644805
Then call it an action game if you feel so strongly. What you're doing essentially is the equivalent of walking into a group of friends having a chat, and criticizing how they talk to they each other.
There is literally no reason for you to be mad.
Do you respond to every bit of bait on /v/ as well?
>>319644805
As an aside, if you're as much of an oldfag as you say, why did complaints about the term "Character action game" only start early last summer?
Prior to that no one would give a damn.
Are you really as old as you say? Or did you just turn into a huge sourpuss overnight?
Honestly the whole anti-CAG sentiment is no different that the anti-weeb sentiment that started in the summer of 2011. Although in defense of the latter, most were being sarcastic about it.
>>319645053
You keep assuming I'm mad, when in reality I find this fun. Arguing with shitheads online is one of my favorite past times.
>Science-fiction is a term that's used by everybody.
That's what makes it colloquial. Colloquial literally just means an informal way to refer to something. The fact that it's used to refer to a specific style of work so that they're easy to identify makes it a genre term. They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact it's practically a necessity for them to co-exist. Sci-fi itself might have been a bad example because it's just the shorthand form for two easily defined words, but something more specific like cyberpunk is clearly both a colloquialism and a genre term.
>What you're doing essentially is the equivalent of walking into a group of friends having a chat, and criticizing how they talk to they each other.
Except that this entire thing got started by anons arguing about whether or not "character action" is the right term for them. I'm not arguing with you because you called DMC a character action game, I'm arguing with you because you were arguing with someone else about whether or not it's a valid term.
>>319611094
The only thing I remember from that was the lame gun customization and the shitty transformation
>>319645763
>That's what makes it colloquial. Colloquial literally just mea bla bla bla
Context is everything dude. While your statement is correct, it's not applicable to the conversation at hand.
This was my first post.
>Character Action Game is a colloquial term. It's always been. It's not supposed to be a genre describer, just a term people on /v/ used to use all the time to refer to games like DMC and Bayo.
>Fuck, if you guys weren't so fucking new you'd remember that it was borne from the DmC fiasco; on /v/ even.
This was in response to some other anon getting his panties in a bunch over a different anon using the term.
All I was trying to say, although I suppose I should've been MORE of a dick about it, was that he's being a huge fag for getting mad at how other people talk.
Not its validity.
>>319645763
Also I'm not going to pretend that I didn't notice you being blatantly passive aggressive.
>Arguing with shitheads online
So yeah. You mad.
Anyway it's almost 8 and I really need to get some sleep, so I'm done with this convo.
Peace out faggot.
Stay salty over words.
>>319620949
>tfw you break up with your girlfriend and she sells this AND ONLY THIS game to fund her drug addiction
>>319631915
This
It's a fucking meme game.
>>319645756
Probably because these games have gotten a recent surge of popularity with Platinum constantly releasing new games for pre-established franchises (think about how many people played MGR as their first foray into this style of game, and how many retards that brought with it), the entire DmC debacle, DMC4SE, and modern internet culture making these games more visible to shitters who would have otherwise ignored them. For me personally, I've always thought it was a dumb phrase, along with most of the other names for this type of game that have come and gone, though I think "spectacle fighter" is probably the stupidest one I've heard.
>>319646483
>It's not supposed to be a genre describer, just a term people on /v/ used to use all the time to refer to games like DMC and Bayo
But that's literally what a genre is. A phrase used to refer to a specific style of work. Just admit that it isn't a very good one. You've already admitted that the word "character" has basically no reason to be there.
>>319646753
>So yeah. You mad.
If you say so.
Are the prinny games any good?
I was thinking of trying them.
>>319631013
I don't usually judge but you're living your life wrong.
>>319639027
God of War is the same type of game as DMC though.
>>319648068
I've played both and god of war felt closer to fable than DMC.
At least in the sense that the majority of the gameplay is just mashing the same unstoppable move until the game ends.
>>319639428
The worst part is, Genesis and Angeal were conceivably interesting characters. The idea of Sephiroth having war buddies turning out to be flawed prototype supersoldiers that turn on him because of his status as the "perfect" version of them kind of helps his descent into madness seem a lot more sympathetic when he starts to think he might be just like them at the reactor, not to mention contributes to his growing sense of superiority that comes to a head in the Nibelheim basement.
If they weren't so theatrical about it, and instead acted like fucking human beings becoming jaded and vengeful at the truth of their creation, Crisis Core might have been a lot more bearable.Zack's death would have still been stupid, though.
>>319648190
Play on the higher difficulties. GoW games can get pretty brutal. It's more like a slower paced Ninja Gaiden than anything else. On higher difficulties it's all about knowing which options will eliminate which enemies in the most efficient manner so that you don't get overwhelmed. Though playing anything past 2 is kind of pointless. Another similarity to Ninja Gaiden.
>>319618853
>implying 4 isnt the best
Pleb aa fuck
>>319622683
thisthisthis
>>319617000
>complains about a game who got atleast 2 sequels not having sequels
Dude /v/ is filled with retards now a days.
>>319648414
People shit on Genesis like he's the worst part about the game, and maybe he is, but he's only a part of what went wrong. You mentioned that bit about flawed prototype super SOLDIERs which was already covered by FF7 I'm pretty sure. And that's Crisis Core's - and the rest of the compilation's - problem in general, it rehashes way too many tropes and elements from the original FF7 that becomes a parody of the game it's supposed to be paying tribute to. A good example would be Zack meeting Aerith the exact same way Cloud did. Why? Why did it have to happen that way? Couldn't the writers have come up with a new, better way for Zack to meet Aerith that didn't involve him falling through the roof and landing on a patch of flowers? This scene also highlighted how the returning characters were pretty much caricatures of themselves.
Aside from that, there was also the constant philosophical speeches about monsters, dreams, honor, what it means to be a soldier etc. which wouldn't be so bad had they not kept beating you over the head with it every goddamn cutscene.
>>319648773
>now a days.
>>319611231
I like how Beteshda tries it best to pretend this game never existed because it shows how incompetent they are.
>>319649515
>Couldn't the writers have come up with a new, better way for Zack to meet Aerith that didn't involve him falling through the roof and landing on a patch of flowers?
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
This is my first real attempt at a keeper run.
Anything I should shoot for here?
>>319649515
>Aside from that, there was also the constant philosophical speeches about monsters, dreams, honor, what it means to be a soldier etc. which wouldn't be so bad had they not kept beating you over the head with it every goddamn cutscene.
It's like you've never played a Japanese game.
This is why I don't like the dialogue of JRPGs at all because it is either
A) Something very naive teehee he looked at me, senpai-kun-san-chan
or
B) Grimdark McEdgy deep shit about stuff that's going on like you just said, endless ramblings and metaphors about stuff that was covered in the first two sentences but I just have to keep talking this way because it's cool.
They have no idea how real people behave and talk, probably partly because their culture is so socially obnoxious.
>b-but muh silly dance spinoff!!
I enjoyed it.
>>319650394
Forgot to add that Metal Gear Solid games are a great example of this.
The monologues initially start out cool and make sense and explain stuff, but when it gets to the point where it should end, usually Snake, just keeps babling on about being a soldier or a hero that he is not and what honor is and is not.
>>319650565
That MGS2 ending was prime evidence of Kojima being way too far up his own ass.
>>319649732
Fuck off George you talentless sell-out hack.
>>319651202
You don't like poetry?
You troglodyte!
>>319651829
MEESA DOIN MUOY MUOY BOMBAD POETRY
>>319650448
Wasn't Persona 4 already whacky animu nonsense to begin with?
>>319611094
ITS LIKE NO ONE GOT TO THE BEST LAST LEVEL IN A VIDEO GAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SHzgS6l1Ak
>>319652124
>>319649515
>flawed prototype super SOLDIERs which was already covered by FF7
Actually, they weren't. All the SOLDIERs covered in FFVII were extremely successfu. Genesis suffered from a genetic flaw that hindered his ability to heal injuries and degraded his body.
>>319642702
Yeah, I wonder too.
>>319652291
post the one of lucas showing him how to shuck and jive
>>319652495
>Hey... He just ate my hair!
That was when I stopped trying to make sense of CC's plot. Fucking Kingdom Hearts is more coherent than this shit.
>>319612784
>You'll be my legacy
What a dick.
>>319652669
I think the idea was that since Genesis was copying his traits onto other SOLDIERs, if that copy didn't die, he'd have the cells he needed...or something.
>>319612784
>>319648414
>But keep calling me the newfag.
>>>319642416
>>Dead Space
>Horror/shooter
>>Grand Theft Auto
>Sandbox
>>Call of Duty
>Shooter
>>Just Cause 2
>Sandbox
>>Assasin's Creed.
>Sandbox/platformer/generic Ubisoft mishmash
>None of these games put their focus primarily on combat, except for CoD which is more precisely referred to as a shooter. Games like DMC/Bayo/NG are literally all about combat. They're all about action. They're not about the character. You've both admitted this but are just too stubborn to admit that "character action" is a retarded term that means nothing.
>The point of a genre is to succinctly describe the content of a work so that consumers can quickly identify it with other similar works they've experienced. Adding an extra word to the genre name that (by your own admission) has nothing to do with the contents of the works defeats the entire point of having a genre name to begin with.
I like that the Remake is making the Buster sword fuckoff huge again. Always thought the Compilation shrank it a bit.
>>319641572
She later got adopted by Cloud and Tifa
Do Jenova cells make you sterile or something?
>>319652873
You uh, you quote the wrong person there anon?
>>319622683
So, ps2 or GC which one has the frequent random encounters?
>>319652728
I know, this supposedly awesome hero is a selfish, shallow prick to the bitter end.
Wish they made that sequel they had planned.
>>319635885
>>319640261
What's wrong with it cause I'm fucking loving playing it. Did it fuck the lore of a preexisting setting? As far as I know its just a vampire fantasy setting where the vamps have won control of some bullshit.
Do people ITT even know what a spin-off is ?
>>319653039
No, I accidentally highlighted a bunch of text while using quick reply.
City Trial is one of the most fun multiplayer modes I've ever played.
>>319623225
To be absolutely honest, I was interested in Dead Sun more than this.
![Bomberman Fantasy Race [U] [SLUS-00823]-front.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XSQiMJ9.jpg "Bomberman Fantasy Race [U] [SLUS-00823]-front.jpg")
This and Crash Team Racing are the best racing spin-offs that are not mario kart.
>>319648414
>If they weren't so theatrical about it
This is a JRPG anon, it's all about theatrical.Don't you think killing god as the final boss is theatrical too?
>>319648414
I thought Angeal would have been cool. He's literally muh honor the character. Also, I might just be remembering things wrong, but I thought Zack was supposed to be kind of a dick like Cloud was at the beginning of VII. He's always like "I want to be a hero!" and stuff.
>>319621330
Cover art
>All the dudes have Legendaries
>chick has jigglypuff
Lol
>>319615748
That's the point though
>>319653551
I'll never understand why that virus made him into a female Tyrant.
>>319611094
>>319612784
>>319650394
Ah yes, the generation of people that were just old enough when the emo style got popular with teens they couldn't take too steps without screaming "EDGY ! Wow so dark grow up lol.", "You only like this because you want so seem mature lol", etc. Had to be sure everybody knew how much adult they were at fucking 19. All the while playing equally "edgy" crap just but in a different way.
Prince of Persia Warrior Within was also a casualty of this shit. An incredible sequal that got shit on because the character dared be unhappy for being chased by an immortal god of death.
>>319638895
God of War?
Dante's Inferno?
Enslaved?
Remember Me?
Those games aren't on par with what you listed but it is a genre with plenty of games in it.
>>319655758
I agree
>>319660098
Warrior Within gets shit on because the massive tonal shift and focus on combat over platforming alienated the fans of SoT, and both features were rather poorly implemented.
It wasn't until Twin Thrones did the devs found a way to blend the fighting into the combat well while striking an okay balance of gritty with the adventurous air that permeated the original, but even then certain moments like the final fight were just annoyingly cliche.
>>319622683
Ah fuck I wished I continued this
>Reach some desert area
>Get fucking rekt by some wolves.
That's my last memory of it. My cousin tried to play it and couldn't get past the third boss...Idr some brain guy in a wooded area.
[Spoiler]I still exclaim "CRITICAL" when I play some games with my friends and land a crit.[/spoiler]
>>319641824
>"Action game" has been around longer, and is a better term to describe these kinds of game.
What do MGSV, Ori and the Blind Forest, Tomb Raider and Batman have in common?They were all nominated for "best action game"
>>319660817
I found SoT and WW to have the same amount of platforming but WW had a large part of it undermined by the fact that you were being chased.
Mechanically the combat was expanded in WW and the platforming was the same so you can't really say it's "worse".
It's not an invalid criticism to be unhappy with the change of tone. But you have to admit that it's just a style that you don't like not accuse the others of being immature. I didn't shit on that weird PoP game where you had a fairy saving your ass every 10 seconds. I just played it for a few hourse then forgot about it 'cause it was boring.
My initial point was about this attitude of being afraid to like something because it's too grim or too sophisticated or too complex. You know, the kind of people that say Legacy of Kain dialogue is too heavy or that Planescape had too much text.
![Final_Fantasy_Gaiden[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/f6P3qnK.jpg "Final_Fantasy_Gaiden[1].jpg")
>>319611094
it feels like an updated NES game, and I liked the AP system
>>319613082
Did your story still make it to the fridge or nah?
![Shadow_the_Hedgehog_Coverart[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/CM0nY6y.png "Shadow_the_Hedgehog_Coverart[1].png")
Has the most replayability of any Sonic Game, and the highest skill ceiling ever demanded in a 3d platformer
Expert Mode is where shit gets real, AND it includes story content
This game is criticized because of its character cast. Not because of the story, people just criticize the character design.
The gameplay though? Top notch. Holy shit.
>>319641707
This. The feet are comically huge.
>>319663324
>This game is criticized because of its character cast. Not because of the story, people just criticize the character design.
Sure thing anon
Now that I think about it, this seems like the natural evolution of the Adventure games. Too bad it takes itself too seriously and plays like shit
>>319663324
i think shadow is fun too but lets not pretend its some masterpiece. the controls are slippery even for 3d sonic and the camera remains just as bad. on ps2 the framerate is atrocious. its not unplayable, but definitely need some polishing
