How the fuck do I deal with this goddamn thing particularly as a reversal? It's got literally 1 frame of vulnerability between invincibility and active frames. It's safe on block, and if he's doing it as a reversal the go to option of focusing on the way down won't work.
It honestly seems like if you're not a character that does high damage you're actually disadvantaged being up on honda when HE'S the one on the ground.
>>319505939
jump back roundhouse
>>319506067
That's good if I want to put a big middle finger in his face but tactically I'd be putting myself at a disadvantage by relying on that. Sure it might stop him from doing it, but it stops me from getting anything else during oki.
>>319505939
I just uppercut it with ryu, its really easy, you just have to throw your uppercut a bit early so Honda lands on the punch
how the fuck do I deal with Robo Fortune laser spam? whenever I try to block them, they just push me back to the edge of the screen, so I just get stuck in the corner
>>319506162
your predicament is that you feel disadvantaged when he's knocked down
you must either admit that you can claim oki in the situation or that a jump back roundhouse is all you can get
>>319506261
I don't feel disadvantaged, I am disadvantaged. If I'm not playing a high damage character I don't have anything to scare him off of doing that. At least with any other characters reversal I can punish when he misses.
>>319505939
TIGA UPPACUT
>>319506459
not in four years of playing SF have I heard anyone claim that honda has a good wakeup
What if you like, block it, and then like, do something on neutral instead of letting him do a charge move constantly.
like say...backdash, or focus, or your own reversal, or anything smart
focus attack out of it
>>319506637
All moves break focus when they're used as a reversal
>>319506615
I did beat him in the neutral that's why he's on the ground.
>backdash
splash catches it
>reversal
Yeah that's a tactic you can take to the bank
>>319506929
>Splash beats your invincible reversal
who are you playing, Makoto? like what the fuck
Only on /v/ do I find someone not knowing how to handle Honda's butt slam. Only on /v/.
Keep this thread going. I'm fishing for scrubquotes.
>>319507078
He's seeking help, not complaining it's broken.
>>319506929
the move is super slow
safe jump (or meaty if he doesnt have meter)
if you're scared of honda's wakeup I'd hate to know how you fare vs character's with real options
>>319505939
>>319507207
Samefag.
>>319507030
A character who has to spend a bar to do a reversal, not something I want to do versus a "free" option. Plus, you know the fact that it's a huge risk for such a relatively small attack.
>>319507231
Characters with real options tend to not be safe even when you block the reversal
What's a bad match up for Yun? I get tired of dealing with turtle Yun players who always combo into something big
>>319507471
So which character are you playing that you get shit on by wake-up splash?
>>319505939
auto-correct DP or ultra just before it hits. Specifically, mash the stick between 1 and 3 (shortcut to buffer the ultra movement while crouching still) and press towards + PPP/KKK
>>319505939
>losing to honda
you gotta be a lot worse than the other player man, he doesn't have a lot of options and in particular on wakeup he has almost nothing outside of buttslam and ex headbutt, both of which you can beat by crossing him up
>>319507409
ya got me
>>319505939
Ask Mike Ross.
>>319506241
Which character?
>>319507618
grapplers and Sagat
>>319507630
It's worth trying, certainly helps me in the numbers game.
>>319507713
Use my godlike reads?
>>319507676
I'm not asking about his other stuff, just that one particular one.
pick yun
sleepy fighter 4 sucks lmaooooooo
Anyone have that video where some guy does butt slam for an entire match at a tournament?
Uppercut that fatass.
backdash
>>319506162
>Sure it might stop him from doing it, but it stops me from getting anything else during oki.
Oh god, you're one of those players. The ones who are given the answer then go BUT THEN THE OTHER SITUATION HAPPENS.
Listen, jump back roundhouse until he respects you, THEN START DOING OKI SETUPS.
Fuck.
buttslam spamming is seriously like week 1 scrub PP farming tactics, if you can't counter it at this stage of SF4's life just wait for SF5
>>319508231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnEvvSxtgys
>>319506241
If fillia super jump forward light hairball airdash.
If any other character ask someone else
Honda main here. unless it's EX it only hits once. you can literally just focus it if you know its coming. Otherwise just fucking block and get good you scrub. Honda has a horrible wake up game and if you can't deal with it, you're terrible and should probably not make threads on /v/
how do I beat Elena as C.Viper in USFIV? her kicks seem to have priority over my everything.
>>319508317
Or forward dash if he does it right next to you. Or do a meaty cross up. Or focus. Or anti air him on the way down. Or dont press anything and bait it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0F_aVAnFU
>>319508715
you're not using enough special moves
>>319508602
I have been looking for this video forever, thank you so much.
>>319508545
Not every player works the same way dude, that might make some people respect me but others will keep getting weird with it. And if that's my only option it won't help me for those players.
>>319508683
>>319508754
For the last time all moves done as a reversal have armor break. Focus won't do jack shit. And he catches my back dash
>meaty crossup
How the hell would that stop him from doing it? It's a down charge.
>or bait it
It's safe
>>319508715
You dont beat elena unless you counterpick her. It's the only thing that stops her memeing
>>319508917
if you're getting hit by it on reversal you need to block you fucking retard.
>>319508837
she's been giving me more trouble than anyone else at the moment, her kicks seem to beat out my flaming feet and my electric punches, I think the H version of it goes through but the timing is intense doesn't allow for any real followup.
>>319509027
Where you end up with it being safe and basically in the same situation. Most reversals don't do that.
>>319508917
>that might make some people respect me but others will keep getting weird with it.
So keep jump back roundhousing? If he's not going to respect you then don't respect his continuous wake up buttslam.
I don't get it.
>>319508917
Meaty crossup beats reversals and air resets them or straight stuffs them. Hondas hitbox is only in the front of him.
>>319509112
>safe
its -2/-3 on block.
>>319509112
If you block it as a reversal, then the subsequent one won't be a reversal
I swear to god you're a fucking retard
who wants to start a lobby?
>>319508917
If he doesn't have bar for EX headbutt meaty crossups are free as shit dude. No buttsplash will get through one.
Just block and push block guard cancel that shit
>>319505939
Kind of skimmed the thread, not sure if it has been answered yet, but the answer is to dash after blocking it on the way up, making the butt slam whiff and extremely punishable. Depending on the character depends on which dash you do.
You might be thinking its too difficult to react to that and dash, but you should be expecting it, and ready to dash anyway.
Constantly falling victim to butt slam in SF4 is a common mistake that is usually only amended with matchup experience. Not like I'm some bigshot SF4 player, but I played the game extensively for a very long time and you can definitely exploit Honda's wakeup reversal options this time around.
Most solutions deal moreso with avoiding scenarios where Honda can actually use butt slam as a viable reversal. Are you actually safe-jumping it? If you successfully safe jump butt slam you will still need to block the "flying upwards" part of the attack. This is almost unavoidable unless you are installing something like an invincible option select (Honda is HIGHLY susceptible to OS's).
Blocking the downward slam part is no good if you want to punish. Unless you have a 2 frame SPD, it's much more viable to anti-air the slam before he hits you like others mentioned. This less or more difficult depending on the character you are playing, but it is an entirely doable strategy and everybody should know what their plan is to punish butt slam.
>>319509352
>push block guard cancel
u wot
>>319509265
I understand that, the problem is he isn't exactly a fireball character he's got no reason to spend meter willy nilly. In most circumstances he will have meter. So it doesn't work the vast majority of the time.
>>319509171
It's only -3 if he's a fucking retard and does a heavy, and if he's doing that I wouldn't be asking these questions.
>>319509524
if you try to do this online prepare to get shit on. When I play honda almost everybody that tries to do this fucks it up.
but really, he's such a mediocre character that if you're losing to him, you need a lot of general practice.
>>319509534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3l3Gu5Uz4
just block honda on wakeup then pushblock guard cancel it
ez
>>319509698
who are you playing? I will tell you specifically how to beat Honda so you can stop being a gigantic fucking scrub and embarassing yourself in this thread.
>>319509779
>questioning and thinking through advice
>being a scrub
And it's Juri
This thread is Scrubquote gold. Thank you.
>>319509902
If you're having trouble with an E honda on wakeup, you are indeed a scrub.
If you're juri just zone him with fireballs and footsies. when you get a hard knockdown, either do a meaty when he doesn't have meter, or get your distance and start again.
Look man, I'm sorry to be rude. but you really have no excuse to be having trouble with E honda.
>>319509902
As Juri you don't ever have to be next to Honda. Zone him all day, and If you knock him down, just jump back and start zoning some more.
>>319509715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XZoa6ua4Bo
>>319509902
you have a dedicated move that moves you away from him on hit
>>319509705
It's definitely more difficult depending on the character. But I think it's possible in a reasonable connection. When I play Sakura or Dudley I usually just standing anti-air it before he comes down. If I'm playing someone like Deejay I can definitely see room for error.
For characters that struggle with actually punishing butt slam I usually tend to opt for regular throw okizeme rather than setting up jump ins. Those options are must less inviting for anyone to reversal, especially charge characters. I think that option is often under looked in SF4 as well, as everyone has become so setup dependent.
>>319510012
>>319510048
The problem is that juri's fireballs have that long store that comes before the release, normally this is easily mitigated by choosing situations where you can get two or more stores off so you can get a nice rhythm down and keep the opponent out. The problem is that because honda's headbutt goes over the LK fireball you essentially only have one fireball to zone him out with, fucking up the rhythm you need to maintain to fit those long stores in.
>>319510012
>>319510048
>>319510118
And juri has safejumps that work on honda
>>319505939
Upper Cut out of it followed by sweeping hard kick
>>319510229
Dude. How many games have you played? you can sit here theorizing and saying things that are retarded, or you can take the advice and go play. Fucking block the wakeup and zone him with normals, fit in fireballs where you can. ITS A FUCKING 6-4 MATCHUP FOR JURI.
>>319510229
Youre just really bad
>>319510319
Thats just how scrubs act sometimes. You tell them to jump over hadoukens and they complain about getting DP'd.
They want one single answer that works in all situations always.
>>319505939
>knock Honda down
>neutral jump in front of him
>buttslam whiffs
>>319505939
cross your fingers and mash buttons
thats what ive been doing and i got 1000 pp easily
>>319510229
Just don't throw the low one when he has back charge. Keep the low one stored for when he starts walking forward and loses his charge for the headbutt.
>>319510453
>crouching LK into scissor kick
>nobody can do anything ever
lol
>>319510319
>character is designed around getting multiple stores at a time
>naw dude it's fine you don't need that
>>319510590
Alright. Are you trolling, or legitimately fucking retarded?
>>319510486
Now that's good advice.
>>319510650
How about you refute it, then we'll decide
Anyone play on PC that's US east or ontario?
>>319506929
>All moves break focus when they're used as a reversal
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm terrible at fighting games but holy fuck is op the reason why I can't read /v/ talking about street fighter
>>319510804
>character has THIS mechanic
>so even though in the situation I'm describing it makes no sense to try to use it, I should have to because its the CHARACTERS MECHANIC
You will literally never be good at the game.
>>319511124
this
>>319511048
I know OP is being silly but that's true, reversals armor break, but using reversals as an excuse is retarded since they have to be doe either on frame or wakeup, both of which are situations in which OP would be in control of the match
>>319511124
No, she's designed around having multiple stores not because she can do it. But because of the very large total time it takes to throw a fireball that juri has. You can't just throw one for one fireballs with ryu, hell even rose for that matter. The ability to store multiple fireballs is a way to get around that.
>>319511325
none of your theory fighter holds water because you're getting blown up by wake up ass splash
Why do these type of people always pick juri? she is such a shit character for someone who needs to learn how to play
still legit wondering if anyone has any tips for C.Viper against Elena
>>319511279
Last time I check second hit of buttslam will never armor break so maybe don't be retarded and give Honda some space
>>319511653
She's cute.
>>319511673
If she's going in do your best to block is, if she's trying to stay back and heal ground pound cancel into super jump to get in
>>319511732
I dont' remember if the second hit breaks, it probably doesn't, I dunno, I don't get put in this situation like OP
>>319511848
You never knock honda down?
>>319511673
Play a different character man, sorry. C viper is rarely used so nobody will have tips for you.
>>319511885
I don't get vortexed by fucking reversal buttslams
>>319511957
Depends on what character you're using as well, that will really help us help you. The problem I have with focusing Buttslam on the way down is Honda recovers pretty quickly after he hits the ground, and sometimes it's hard to gauge which side he'll end up on.
>>319511823
alright thanks, I was actually wondering how to deal with the heal, I'll try that out
>>319512108
I'm OP and even I don't think that's hard. That shit's easy to time. The problem is him doing it as a reversal, so the focus doesn't work
>>319511790
but that's such a shit reason to pick a character in a fighting game aaaaaaaaaaaa if you don't know what you're doing at least
I mean I'm being hypocritical and all since I started with dudley in 3s just because I thought he was cool, I couldn't properly do quarter circle motions (without overcompensating into half circles) for fucking ever after I picked up other characters though.
>>319512235
To be fair I don't think 3S really has a fundamentals character in the same way most SF games do. Hell if anything it is Dudley
>>319512235
Reminder that Luffy (Evo 2014 champion) got into SFIV because he thought Rose was cute.
>>319508917
>Not every player works the same way dude, that might make some people respect me but others will keep getting weird with it. And if that's my only option it won't help me for those players.
>Player keeps going for the butt splash
>Keep getting free damage
>Player doesn't keep going for butt splash
>You reset it to neutral
Honda is only an issue if you pick a bad character.
Stop that.
>>319512354
By cute do you mean her big fat gypsy tits?
>>319512426
Butt splash isn't his only goofy option. If they're the sort of person that goes nuts they could catch me on the jump back with headbutts, or even if they're patient for that matter.
>picked Oni Akuma as a joke when messing with a friend
>he's actually kinda fun
HELP
>>319512426
but anon, his theorizing is worth more than the fact that people here have been playing for years!
He's playing a character thats 6:4 against Honda. I know, because I play Honda and have for years. He doesn't actually want help. He wants attention.
>>319512645
If they start reacting to backwards jumps with headbutts then you can literally use any attack you want to hit him out of it.
This is some WELL CRAFTED bait right here.
Someone spent time on this.
>>319511790
Get real, faggot. She looks like a cunt whore in game.
>>319505939
>It's safe on block
You blew it.
>>319512296
Yeah in retrospect 3s is probably freaking terrible as someones first fighting game since not that many of the skills you learn transfer over easily to other things. Ultra seems like it'd actually be pretty great for that though, too bad this guy isn't getting into it until the games nearly dead.
>>319512116
That's just off the top of my head, I don't even play Viper but c'mon son use the tools you got and remember that if she focuses you can still super jump cancel the pound, and once she catches on to the don't forget you can always raw super jump and then flame kick to stall and bait a DP. Seems like a bad match up for Viper just because her normals aren't as good so just use what you got.
How do you play Hakan properly?
>>319512764
No she doesn't, and her charm points are her voice and personality anyway.
>>319512873
get oily, pretend you're playing zangief
>>319512645
If they are going with headbutts they have to spend meter to make it work reliably.
If they are going for butt splashes then you got free damage.
They have to spend resources to hurt you, you don't have to spend anything to hurt them.
>>319512235
Fuck you nerd, if it wasn't for cutie patootie characters I never would've invested all these years playing fighting games.
>>319512923
Both of which are even worse. Actual shit taste, friend.
>>319512873
mixup your low slide with your spd
ultra 2 jump ins
>>319512705
Then explain why it's 6-4. Because so far the script has been:1 Make one point 2: after that call him names
>>319512923
as someone who likes Juri
>her personality
lol no
Is juri a good character for fighting honda as a beginner?
>>319513228
Juri is not that good for a beginner period, pick a shoto
How are you supposed to stop Urien from memeing on you in 3s?
Really hope they nerf this shit character when he comes back in V desu
>>319513118
Honda's only legit answers for her fireball game is neutral jumps and slow walking in. Otherwise she can anti air and zone him with fireballs the entire match. She can counter dash her way out of jab hands. He has shitty wakeup options, while she has EX spinwheel. His only gap closer, she can jab him out of.
He's literally one of the bottom 5 characters in the game.
>>319513118
Honda only has an advantage when he has the life lead.
Juri is built in a way to harass Honda with many superior normals and her actually really good fireballs + angled fireballs.
She also builds meter basically for free and Honda has to work hard to push forward.Tiers and matchup data will not matter much at that player's level of skill because he doesn't really know how to play that good
>>319512873
Ask Infiltration I think he's streaming right now
>>319513228
Depends, is the Honda a beginner too?
>>319513341
His unblockable is purely a bug, I expect it to be patched and I really wonder what they'll replace him with, probably go strider and make his reflector much easier to abuse in exchange
>>319513341
How about you stop the giant papa smurf put you into the corner.
His AA and wakeup game sucks. Urien is literally only high-tier because he can stuff you into a corner and force you to guess 50/50 harder the Dudley in 4 and has silly unblockables, both of which are tied to his super. Without meter, Urien is easy if you don't get parried or do some dumb shit.
I made you a webm, but it's converting, don't let thread die.
>>319515775
Have this webm in return
>>319515775
>>319505939
Look into option selects. Obviously this doesn't cover EX headbutt, but if you want to cover that as well, try EX pinwheel.
This works for buttslam.
(I just worked this out in like 2 minutes, be creative)
>>319516452
Good job anon for future reference the key to a good option select video is getting hit by it first then doing the option select
>>319505939
step back, what is footsies
>>319516452
Shit video that doesn't show anything
>>319517329
Don't bother saying anything if you don't understand what's going on
>>319517425
>I made a webm so I'm a pro
I know exactly what's going on, and that video has no pertinent information for the topic at hand.
>>319517540
>that video has no pertinent information for the topic at hand.
It shows a pre-recorded Juri safe jumping Honda and option selecting st.mp to stuff buttslam, since she cannot punish it on block.
The OP is complaining about buttslam being hard to deal with.
>>319517540
>>319517329
This. All it shows is one attack being stuffed without any backend details like frame data or the like
>>319517761
>>319517540
>>319517708
That's not an option select, anon. Stop using terms you don't understand.
>>319517827
I'm not even him, but how the fuck is it not an option select?
>>319517827
So you really don't know what you're talking about then.
Notice how when Honda blocks the jump in, nothing comes out?
Why is this thread so fucking funny
>>319517879
>>319517896
I'm not going to argue with scrubs that require /v/ to give them advice. Stay free
>>319517827
I thought this thread lost steam, but here we go again
>>319518109
Epic
>>319518078
What is it about fighting games that makes anyone playing them think they're the hottest shit?
>>319518187
It's just the natural /v/ discussion structure being applied to fighting games. This thread could be about a single player rpg and all the post would basically be the same
Should I get USF4 if I wanna get into SFV? right now I just dick around in fightcade but I'm not sure if Ultra's a dead game yet
Go play Ryu, OP. You don't get good at fighting games by starting off with the waifu you learn fundamentals with Ryu until you're good enough to move on.
>>319505939
That crotch shot offends me. I demand it be censored. E.Honda's balls are oppressing me. This objectifies men's balls as sexual objects.
