>Last 2D entry was nearly 12 years ago
>Wasn't even a fully original game
What the fuck.
It was too good for this gay earth so they made Prime to kill the series.
>>319490429
>made prime to kill the series
never before have I wished so hard to be able to reach through a screen and slap someones shit
>>319490005
What percentage complete is am2r at?
>>319491054
He's right. Prime was a mistake.
>>319491447
>Prime
>Mistake
There's a screencap explaining exactly how and why it was literally impossible for Other M to fit into canon. But I don't have it.But you're a faggot.
>>319490005
My first thought was "wow 1994 was 12 years ago?"...
>>319491798
>There's a screencap explaining exactly how and why it was literally impossible for Other M to fit into canon. But I don't have it.
do want
Prime and Fusion came out at the same time. Prime sold 4x as many copies. Its only logical that Nintendo would milk Prime. Its actually amazing they even let Zero Mission and Other M get made. Most other companies wouldn't have.
Also I'd like to point out, its been even longer since we got a 2D Zelda. Think about that. Every Zelda game since 2004 has been 3D.
>>319491798
What does that have to do with Prime not being a mistake? Are you just assuming he likes Other M over Prime? Stop being autistic anon.
>>319493314
Define 2D
By gameplay definition, it's top down Zelda
We have Link Between Worlds and Triforce Heroes
>>319492360
>>319490005
Other M was so bad it killed the franchise.
If Prime had been the culprit, the series would have ended before Other M.
>>319494532
A top down, isometric perspective =/= 2D. Especially when its a full 3D game running on a 3D engine that is imitating an isometric perspective.
Metroid Other M mimics the movement of a 2D Metroid. With set directions of movement. But it is still clearly a 3D engine.
>>319494841
>Other M was so bad it killed the franchise.
Stop this meme. its been 4 years since a Metroid game. And even then, Federation Force is being made.
There's been even longer doughts between Metroid titles. Like Super Metroid to Prime.
>>319495000
Other M was bad. There is no need to defend literal garbage.
The 2D Metroid games had their run, as did the Prime series. It's time to let it go. Extending either series indefinitely would've lead to its downfall anyway.
It's likely the series will die anyway if it can't find a new successful direction to take (after already 2 failed attempts with Other M and Federation Force), but still I'd rather it died that way than a slow, painful death of endless sequels that do nothing new.
>>319495121
>changing your argument
Killed isn't a synonym for bad. Star Wars Episode I-III are some of the worst things in media history. Sure didn't 'kill' the series.
>>319495248
Surely Nintendo has enough creative juice to pump out at least a couple more good 2D Metroids.
>>319491447
See
>>319494841
and
>>319494642
At least the Prime series was fun (Except Prime3. Prime 3 was shit) and lore accurate.
>>319495248
The Prime series had its run. The 2D Metroid games could go on for a lot longer. Especially after companies like Vanillaware, DIMPS and indieszero have shown that improvements in hardware can also be applied to 2D games.
In this age where 99% of everything is a 3D game, a 2D Metroid would stand out as even more original.
>>319491231
They updated about a week ago or so. They apparently finished working on testing bosses and are working on the final area.
>>319495328
My argument has always been that Other M was bad.
It was received poorly, and contributed to the series not getting further investment.
Such denial is really unnecessary.
>>319493314
2D by Top down or actual 2D?
That's a bullshit statement
I want to say Mario has it even longer but Mario Maker exists
>>319495621
Whoops. Meant to say they're testing bosses for the final area.
>>319495328
>Fed Force shit is the next "Metroid"
It's dead, Jim.
>>319494841
It didn't kill it but I'm sure it scared the hell out of Nintendo. I'd be willing to bet they'd be making them at a faster rate if Other M didn't force them to stop and reevaluate the competency of Sakamoto and the whole Metroid team.
I'm also going to assume Prime was mostly unaffected by this but they're making the next game a spinoff due to a lack of time and being forced to work on a handheld. Had Tanabe been given the choice to make a full scale console game he probably would have taken it.
>>319495694
Read >>319494905
NSMB is still limited to two dimensional movement despite being in a 3D Engine. Something like Phantom Hourglass or ALBW has full range of movement.
I still can't believe that Metroid fans became worse than Zelda fans in the span of a short few years. Y'all are a disappointment.
>>319490005
Nintendo hates early 2D waifus.
>>319496024
When your favorite series keeps getting shit on, you'd be bitter too.
And I'd argue that Zelda fans are still worse despite getting regular games. And Zelda fans actually LIKE the way their series is focusing more on lore and cinematics. I don't, but the average Zelda fan does.
>complaining a series doesn't get 2D games anymore
Nigger barely any franchises get 2D games anymore. Everythings evolved past that.
Except Donkey Kong which devolved lol
>>319496498
>keeps getting shit on
That implies more than once. Metroid fans turned full bonkers after one bad game and started assuming Nintendo hates or some shit.. It was a REALLY bad game but fuck, I had no problem considering myself a Metroid fan before but now it's something to be ashamed of.
>>319496504
>Everythings evolved past that.
I like Prime, too, but this kind of non-thinking drives me up the wall.
>>319495534
>In this age where 99% of everything is a 3D game, a 2D Metroid would stand out as even more original
Are you joking, or what? You can barely open Steam without stumbling over a whole batch of new indie 2D Metroid-likes. There hasn't been anything like Prime since Prime.
What if I love both3Dand2DMetroid games?Echoesis probably my favorite of the lot, though.
there's still 2D mario, donkey kong and kirby games going strong and with the recent explosion of 2D indie games (shovel knight, cave story, gunman clive, mighty switch force just to name a few) I still have faith that in a couple of years time we'll get another 2D metroid game
you niggas just need to be patient and stop having a bitch that games you want aren't coming out anytime soon, go explore different genres on different platforms and ENJOY gaming as it should be
>>319496957
if you're ashamed of something because of how other people act, then you're a pathetic shell of a person
>>319496504
>le 3D is evolution meme
go back to reddit anytime
>>319497289
Most people do. The ones that say one is good and the other is shit are likely just trolling.
>>319497289
>Echoes
Great taste; definitely the best 3D option.
Super, however, is still the best, and one of the few legitimate 10/10 games out there.
>>319491798
Prime is directly responsible for Other M for making them think it's okay to make Metroid 3D.
>>319495000
>le super to prime gap meme
Stop this meme.
You can't have jiggle-physics with a 2D engine. Which is what the entire industry is based around today.
>>319498740
>any facts that counter my argument is a meme
>>319498990
Dragon's Crown completely destroys your argument.
>>319499004
>le super to prime gap lelelelele
The only argument I'm making is stop this meme.
>there's a shitload of 2D indie retro pixel metroidvanias out there
>nobody has ever made another game like Metroid Prime
Fuck everything
>>319498740
>>319499268
Do you have a point or do you just want to shout "MEME" over and over like it means something?
>>319499656
No I don't have a point retard and neither do you.
>>319499268
im with the other guy. the fuck are you saying? there is a clear diffrence in time between the release of super metroid and metroid prime, and there were no other new metroid games released between those two. To call it a gap is completely appropriate. you sound butthrt
Metroid got replaced by Xenoblade. Sorry, maybe you and Zelda fans can give it a whirl instead.
>>319499776
All of that is true however this meme needs to stop.
>>319499440
The only thing that differentiates Prime from other FPS is the use of Samus' suit and weapons. So basically any other Metroid game is a game 'like Prime'.
Outside of the use of scanning and Samus' items, there are millions of FPS games out there.
>>319499440
Half Life as a series is close enough. Tons of platform jumping, puzzles, killing aliens and all in a first person perspective. It is essentially a First Person Adventure just like Prime.
>>319499775
My point was that you don't have a point so I gotcha there
>>319500205
A better comparison would be Hexen and Strife.
>>319500097
>>319500205
>[game] is just like Prime!
>doesn't even let you backtrack
>played Other M again
>still as bad as I remembered five years ago
>play Prime 3 to get the horrible OM taste out of my system
>still lots of fun; brain cancer Nova beam remains one of my favorite weapons
>one of the happiest moments I've felt in gaming over the past few years is discovering AM2R
>last official 2D game was 11 years ago
>last good Metroid game was 8 years ago
I still can't believe how off the mark Nintendo is regarding Metroid. How hard can it be to give us a new planet to explore on a handheld with some new bosses, gear, and a sense of isolation?
>>319500097
Actually there are plenty of other things. The persistent interconnected open world, the way progression is unlocked through your upgrades, the different movement modes, etc. All the elements of a Metroidvania game, just from a first-person perspective in a 3D environment.
That's what I want. 3D metroidvanias. But you can't make that out of low-res pixel graphics with a chiptune soundtrack.
>>319500590
literally all they have to do is just tell Retro to fucking make another Prime game and it will sell like crazy
>>319500590
The Wii ruined Nintendo's ability to make anything that gives the player too much control, Retro doesn't want to be chained to a single franchise forever, and Sakamoto revealed himself to be a hack of colossal proportions once he was given too much control, so for them it would probably be pretty hard.
>>319496024
>I still can't believe that Metroid fans became worse than Zelda fans in the span of a short few years. Y'all are a disappointment.
that's what happens when the most recent big name entry is a downright abomination that was hated by the 2D fans and the 3D fans
>>319491447
You were a mistake.
>>319496957
You used to be a Metroid fan but now you're just a faggot
>>319500576
Half Life 1 and 2 let you backtrack to previous areas. You just don't need to except in a couple cases (like after the freezer section, you end up back in the starting area).
Also, being forced to backtrack doesn't make a game better. Prime would have been better without the Chozo artifacts and long walking segments.
>>319491054
>falling for such obvious bait
you deserve to be angry. Not at this man, but at your own life. For how gullible and, yes, stupid, you have let yourself become.
I know you are better than this.
>>319500691
>the different movement modes
Not in Prime. Unless you're counting the morph ball and grappling beam as 'movement modes'. One of the big problems in Prime is Samus doesn't run and has tanky walking movement. Which is the complete opposite of the 2D games.
>>319494905
Metroid fans would be fine with 2D gameplay with 3D graphics as long as the game was good. That obviously isn't what we're talking about.
Your mentality is so fucking stupid. The gameplay is still 2d so you shouldn't bitch. 2D games from here on out are going to be niche titles from indie devs or mobile games (and that will probably only last for a couple more generations of mobile devices)
3D graphics sell better, 3D graphics are more flexible, every graphics card is designed around efficiently rendering 3D graphics so the performance is better, in the long run they are cheaper to produce. This is the world we now live in.
>>319500576
You can backtrack all you want in HL, retard.
>>319501739
>being forced to backtrack doesn't make a game better.
It doesn't necessarily make it worse either, in either case it is an essential part of making a Metroid game feel like a Metroid game.
>>319501286
Wouldnt that mean he's still a metroid fan?
>>319500861
I think the Prime arc is past its prime. I still enjoy the main trilogy but as it stands, 6 of the 12 games in the series (not counting Prime Trilogy since it's just a collection) involve the "Prime" saga. I'd like to see a game take place after Fusion especially.
>>319497106
The trick is having one that is actually good
>>319501909
There are cutoff points introduced all the time in half life games, plenty of areas become permanently locked off, and very rarely is backtracking required, encouraged, or even not detrimental.
>>319501867
Why wouldn't I count the morph ball, grapple beam, screw attack, etc.? They are literally different ways of moving around. Most FPS games don't offer even that.
>>319501867
>has tanky walking movement. Which is the complete opposite of the 2D games.
Have you played Super Metroid? She has a big awkward sprite (not as bad as Metroid II) an awkward acceleration to her walking startup, poor turning.
Are you the retard that shows up in these threads to argue that Samus doesn't feel floaty in Super Metroid?
>>319501882
>Metroid fans would be fine with 2D gameplay with 3D graphics as long as the game was good.
True, we would.
>That obviously isn't what we're talking about.
You're right. Because that post was talking about how Zelda hasn't had a 2D game in years. And stuff like Phantom Hourglass and ALBW isn't 2D movement.
>The gameplay is still 2d so you shouldn't bitch.
Its not. Not even in Metroid games which you thought we were talking about. Other M is not 2D at all. In gameplay or game engine.
> 2D games from here on out are going to be niche titles from indie devs or mobile games
Vanillaware says hi.
>>319502593
Are you >implying that tanks are floaty?
>>319502593
>Are you the retard that shows up in these threads to argue that Samus doesn't feel floaty in Super Metroid?
No. But given your argument, I can see why people keep responding that way to you.
>>319502852
Samus in prime is also super floaty, so you would also be arguing the same thing
Samus's walking feels tank-like, Samus's jumps feel floaty.
>>319502593
>Samus doesn't feel floaty in Super Metroid?
>my poor analysis and subjective opinion is fact
Super Metroid's controls are brilliant, allowing for precise, immaculate movement and precision jumping. "Floaty" is a complete non-sequitur, and only those demanding immediacy and :kinaesthetics" come to that "conclusion."
Not even that guy.
>>319502795
ALBW was 2D. Not going to read your reply lol.
>>319502593
>Are you the retard that shows up in these threads to argue that Samus doesn't feel floaty in Super Metroid?
I think he might be the retard that claims having a run button is an inextricable part of being a TRUE Metroid game, even though only one game in the series ever had one.
>>319502795
>Its not.
It's as close as you're gonna get so I guess you gotta suck it up
>Vanillaware
With their budgets, work habits, and really flimsy partnerships with publishers, they are about as close to indie as you can get.
>>319502956
>Prime samus is flotey when she jumps
>>319503016
There's two games with a run button. Also, even ignoring the run button, she runs in SUper, Zero Mission, Fusion and Other M. Having her not run in Prime does mean she is missing one of her most well known skills.
>>319503214
A game being made for a million dollars is hardly a small game. THat would have been a AAA game back in the age when 2D was standard (SNES/PS1). Then that game they make for 1 million dollars turns around and sells 1.5 million copies. Probably around $60-$80 million in profit.
The only way you can claim they're indie is if you say every developer that isn't making a AAA game is indie.
>>319503334
>There's two games with a run button
Name them.
>Having her not run in Prime does mean she is missing one of her most well known skills
Not at the time of Prime's release. At that point, Samus only ran in one out of three games. Two out of five if you want to be weird and include Fusion and Prime, but a minority regardless.
>>319503626
>THat would have been a AAA game back in the age when 2D was standard (SNES/PS1).
For how long it took to make Super Metroid and the number of people it took to make Super Metroid, Super Metroid would cost around 3.5 million to make.
Shovel Knight is an indie title that cost about 1.4 million to make.
>>319503968
And where are you getting these figures from?
Also, indie generally means a person who isn't tied to a studio. Not about the budget size. Technically, you could say Star Citizen is an 'indie' game. As it is being crowd funded and self published by the development team. yet it is going to be the most expensive game in history by the time its done.
>>319504493
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-08-06-shovel-knight-devs-break-down-costs-sales
they had to stretch their money by using loans and deferred salaries
the standard of 10k/man/month applied to the number of employees in the development team for super metroid as they appeared in the credits over the amount of time super metroid was in development comes out to around 3.5 million dollars.
MikeZ did the math while trying to crowdfund indivisible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game
>There is no exact widely accepted definition of what constitutes an "indie game".[4][5][6][7] However, indie games generally share certain characteristics. Indie games are developed by individuals, small teams, or small independent companies;[5][8][9] such companies are often specifically formed for the development of one specific game.
the technical definition is independent of a publisher but the term has come to be associated with a number of other attributes and does not necessarily mean the team had no partnership with a publisher.
>>319490005
Right? It's not even just that, it's 3D Metroid too.
>last 3D Metroid was Other M, which basically killed the series for the foreseeable future
>before that was Metroid Prime 3
>I didn't even really like that one that much
>so for me the last real good 3D Metroid was Prime 2, which was also nearly 12 years ago
Being a Metroid fan really is suffering.
up
>>319506149
2002-2007 was the golden age of Metroid.
>>319509275
It really was. I was young and just getting into Metroid so I had no idea how good I had it I guess.
2d games are shit get over it nostalgia fags
>>319510429
Here's your reply.
>>319493314
If I remember right Prime had way more marketing, and Fusion was advertised with that GBA->Gamecube addon to get that costume for Prime. That's ignoring the fact that Prime was on a console and Fusion was handheld which played into how well it would sell.
Hopefully with the popularity of Mario Maker, virtual console, and all that shit Nintendo will stop being scared of doing 2D games for console.
>>319495878
Your acting as if it's the Metroid Team
It's not
It's Next Leve Games
>>319512876
It's a different team but Tanabe is still managing the whole shebang. If Sakamoto had been the one in charge of Prime as well we probably wouldn't even be getting this spin off right now.
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>>319500097
>>319494642
Thanks G
Favorite moment from each game?
>MetroidKilling Ridley through the bottom of his platform
>Zero MissionGetting Plasma Beam, Gravity Suit, and Space Jump all at once in the end section
>Metroid IIWatching Zetas and Omegas fly around
>Super MetroidAny kind of sequence-breaking
>PrimeEntering Phendrana for the first time
>FusionSector 2 hallway chase with SA-X
>Prime 2Quadraxis fight
>Prime 3Using Nova Beam and X-Ray visor to target space pirate's brains
>Other MSamus's visor lighting up, that's it
>>319515582
>Other M
My favorite moment was when I first put the disc into my system, in expectation of another good Metroid game.
>tfw dread is dead
