Why can we only emulate the playstation 2/xbox generation(and earlier) consoles? How come we can't emulate xbox 360, ps3, xbox 1, ps4 etc.?
>>319480320
>tfw you thought that was real at first
>tfw you thought they had come back
>>319480320
Infrastructure. You seriously can't perfectly emulate the original Pong because of the game's infrastructure. Every version you've played on the computer has been a shadow of the real game.
>>319480320
Short answer: You ´re trying to emulate hardware throu software, that takes quit alot of power, and the more powerful machine you´re trying to emulate, the more it takes.
Long answer: Ask someone smarter than me
>>319480805
>>319480617
so in the future will we be able to emulate the newer generation consoles?
>>319480617
>You seriously can't perfectly emulate the original Pong because of the game's infrastructure. Every version you've played on the computer has been a shadow of the real game.
That's not how it works.
Software emulation is 1:1 perfect emulation
You're thinking of hardware emulation which isn't 1:1 perfect replica of the original because it has many enhancements such as antialiasing, higher resolution and so on.
Just because the game doesn't run at 15 fps and 240p doesn't mean it's somehow worse than the original you fucking retard.
>tfw Ace Combat Trilogy now works perfectly in Software mode on PCSX2
>>319480320
>we can't emulate xbox 360, ps3, xbox 1, ps4 etc.?
Because we don't have enough coders with free time who are interested in programming one. If you also worked as a game dev on any of these consoles, you are legally bound to not code anything on an emulator.
>>319481352
>software mode
If I wanted to play in 640x480 I would just buy old ps2.
>>319481802
Baby steps, nigga. You gotta make sure things work perfectly on software mode before you brute force it on hardware.
>>319480858
You´ll probably never be able to emulate the current gen of consoles on the current gen of PC, since more powerful consol = more power needed to emulate it. Unless PC makes a big jump ahead that consoles can´t keep up with due to various issues, you´re gonna have to settle for at the best, 1 generation behind the current one.
>>319480512
I think you need to go to bed anon.Cephalopod are well known to invade dreams to feed on the thoughts of the victim so be careful.
>>319480320
X360 and PS3 emulators have been moving along nicely.
We have Wii emulation already which is from same generation as X360 and PS3.
We also have a working WiiU emulator already as well (still very much work in progress but some games are perfectly playable already).
3DS emulation is also moving along nicely.
Also Xbone and PS4 will be easier to emulate than X360 and PS3 were.
>>319481802
512x448 if we are to be precise, that's the framebuffer resolution that Ace Combat trilogy uses.
Anyhow still better than PS2 simply because no framerate drops and you get proper widescreen thanks to widescreen patch.
Also Hardware mode is perfectly playable too, it has only 2 bugs left. Distant islands/land flicker and your plane (and only your plane) appears untextured, but otherwise is fully playable and you can perfectly play it in the first person camera view without ever seeing the glitched plane textures. Besides, like >>319481948 said, baby steps. PCSX2 got a new dev earlier this year who decided to COMPLETELY REWRITE THE GSDX RENDERER FROM SCRATCH and it's thanks to him that we can now play technosorcery games like Ace Combat, MGS3 and Snowblind Engine games (Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance, Champions of Norath)
>>319481982
i mean will we be able to emulate xbox 360/ps4/xbone/ps4 in the future?
>>319482278
Did you read his post? Yes.
>>319482278
>in the future
Of course. We're looking about 15 years forward, but sure.
>>319482462
360 emulator will probably be playable within the next few years.
>>319482278
Yes.
Read post above yours. Emulation development for those platforms is moving at a nice pace.
Xenia (X360): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNWpzEjqdIc
RPCS3 (PS3): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kZljYb0Ty8
CemU (WiiU): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrSwK4OstE
Citra (3DS): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRl3evufmS0
>>319482462
>15 years
Ebin shitpost.
5 years TOPS.
>>319480320
>squids in shells
Squid snails?
>>319482620
>CemU
Why are they naming an emulator after me?
>>319483410
(C)ustom (emU)lator
>>319482278
Of course you will be able to, the only limit right now is hardware, any one smarter than me correct me if I´m worng in this statement:
When you emualte your asking your processor to create a system in itself, this is like asking you to create a new person inside your own mind and have it live a life of its own, you see how insane this is. Imagine how much of your energy it would take to do this as well as keep yourself going. Also, it easier to emulate older stuff because it does not require as much power, comparing this to you creating a earthworm in your mind which live its own life
I could be totally bullshitting you right now, but that´s the way I understand it, and I´m open to be corrected
>>319482246
Wow, didn´t know that, nice, might just get back into the emulator scene if things are going this well
>>319484317
This game took literal fucking technosorcery to work on PS2 seriously.
Not only does it run NATIVELY at almost 4:3 equivalent of 1080p, it also has Pixel Shader 3.0 effects which should be impossible to do with PS2's hardware.
Console emu reqs will always stay the same.
So even if software stagnates, sheer power increases every day.
One day we will all be able to flawlessly emulate Metroid Prime.
>>319484540
>One day we will all be able to flawlessly emulate Metroid Prime.
We already can.
>>319484592
>Flawlessly
Good one m8.
Try taking a swim and coming back up.
>>319482246
>We have Wii emulation already which is from same generation as X360 and PS3.
>implying wii isn't just a gamecube
>>319482620
I know exactly what's going to happen when that gets released:
>is Pokemon supported yet?
>guys where can i get a pokemon x rom my mom won't get me a 3ds
>help i can't save in pokemon x?
>why does pokemon run so slow on my computer?
>can you get online working with pokemon?
>>319484786
Wii is a bit more powerful than the GameCube so you're only half correct.
>>319484785
Oh I get it now, you are one of those software autists that want full speed software mode. What kind of retard wants that? If I wanted to play the game 1:1 as it was on original console I'd just get a GC or Wii.
Emulation is all about that high resolution.
>>319484884
I know right.
>>319485057
>that want full speed software mode.
???
No, even with my OC'd 980 and 4790k, I still get dips.
>>319480512
Eels would have a field day with them, as long as two ganged up on one.
>>319485186
What the fuck did you OC your 4790k to that you get dips?
My fucking 2600k at 4.4GHz plays MP Trilogy perfectly. I'd give you an ingame screenshot if I still had the game on my hard drive so you will have to settle for CPU-Z screencap.
Other than that I've got 780 Ti factory OC'd but GPU is least important in emulation.
>>319485508
Last time it was 4.8
It's 4.9 currently.
Might be that I'm still on 4.0-7099 as well.
Also heard theres a fancy fork with async.
>>319481583
this, plus a lot of the newer consoles are also much harder to code as they heavily rely on internet connection as opposed to many older consoles.
>>319480320
We also can't emulate Saturn, Dreamcast, or N64.
>>319485773
>4.0
Dolphin dev is a fucking autist that threw YEARS of progress out because the code came from contributors instead of himself, which causes a massive setback to development of the emulator. That was around the time 4.0 came out.
Try hunting down final build of 3.5 for better performance in most games. Some will be glitchier though obviously due to lacking modern updates.
But really Dolphin dev is a fucking imbecile, and he also hates Intel by the way and shills AMD.
Try asking for the Intel build fork on /emug/ that has special Intel optimizations that the butthurt dev cut out of the emulator to favor AMD.
>>319480320
>everything else
Takes a lot of juice. Work's actually moving along on some of them now though.
>xbox 1
Literally noone cares to see it through.
>>319486059
O-oh that's sad.
Thanks for the info anon, will do.
>>319486006
But we can.
Yabause (Sega Saturn): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_YVJDd_P7s
NullDC (Dreamcast): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2WNUGIt2Y
Project64 (N64): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K2zmLOiApc
>>319486169
Halo & Fable pretty much overshadowed all the rest of the Xbox games because MS did zero advertising for all the rest, so they're lost gems.
>>319486314
Both of them are on PC. As is Halo 2.
XboxHuge has no worthwhile exclusives that would warrant making the emulator instead of X360.
Even XboxHuge exclusives such as older PGR and original Forza are simply shit in comparison to Forza 2-4 and PGR3-4
>>319486435
Well I never said they were exclusive.
But anon, Conker.
>>319486059
Its an open source project, why didn't the contributors fork if the management of the project is that bad?
Given the famous 'driver hall of shame' post in the development blog I find it hard to believe the developer is a fanboy making technical changes for political reasons. Sometimes pulling out optimizations that cause problems is necessary even if it leads to temporary slowdowns.
Vulkan and OpenCL 2 should really help emulator developers with the kind of low level support that they've needed.
>>319486839
>Its an open source project, why didn't the contributors fork if the management of the project is that bad?
They did. Did you miss the part about me mentioning the Intel fork? Anyhow I don't know the full story but go on /emug/ and ask and I'm sure someone will be autistic enough to give you an in-depth breakdown of the shitstorm that happened behind the scenes.
As for OpenCL 2 and Vulkan, OpenCL didn't amount to jack shit in Dolphin (performance boost was virtually non-existant) so I'm not holding out hopes for that. Vulkan on the other hand seems like could be just another dead on arrival API just like Mantle.
>>319487274
> Did you miss the part about me mentioning the Intel fork?
Sounds more like a patch set than a fork. Usually if management of an open source project is bad people will fork it completely, users will move to the fork and the original will be abandoned. This can happen within weeks in some cases. With Dolphin that hasn't happened.
>dead on arrival API just like Mantle.
Vulkan is Mantle 2.0, just like every modern graphics API is this generation. Mantle supported one generation of one companies graphics hardware on one OS. Vulkan supports every hardware vendor on all open platforms.
