I just started playing this.
Any tips? The game doesn't really give you much direction, and trying to look up a guide mostly gives me results for Heroes VI. I've been playing for a few hours now but I haven't completed a single main quest.
I found someone who can teleport once a day, which is really useful.
equip everyone with bows
>>319436128
This. 100 times this.
Fucking LOVE M&M 6-8
Make sure everyone got a bow (even mages)
Focus on fewer skills at the beginning of the game, don't try to red mage this shit.
Like your mage should stick with 1 or 2 elements, melee characters stick with one weapon type.
Wait until you get the better armor skills and don't invest any points into leather on your warrior etc.
Turn up the music volume to max and enjoy that New Sorpigal song.
You can also download the fan made patch that fixes glitches and add better controls.
- play it more like an old FPS game, completely with the keyboard, and only use the mouse for the inventory, shops or the odd button here and there
- give everybody a bow
- you only need one character with the merchant, repair item, identify, etc. skills
- stay the fuck away from ghosts
- the Flying spell is the most broken thing in the game, making you twice as fast than when you walk, unreachable for melee enemies and lets you dodge enemy bullets with the "del" and "pgdn" keys EVEN DURING THEIR TURN
-there's a secret Flying scroll in the first town that can be used to reach the top of one of the buildings which transports you into a high-level area in front of a shrine that raises all your main stats and also acts as a teleporter to the secret developer dungeon
>>319435393
Half the offensive magic is crap, all the healing magic is crap, and you're probably going to want to make sure your characters specialize in one or two things at most. A mage should focus on one or two elements. Also feel no shame about looking up walkthroughs, this game gets archaic as all hell.
>>319435393
If it's your first time playing, and you got a Town Portal NPC that got you into Free Haven, you're going to have serious problems progressing on your own. You're not supposed to be in Free Haven at this point and enemies will give you a huge ton of trouble if you don't know what you're doing.
Create a new game, don't get any NPC (they take money and you need it early), finish every dungeon on New Sorpigal (except the one in the volcanic zone), then move on to other zones by ship or horse, just so you see which are valid travel options (unlike town portal)
>>319436714
To expand on fly:
Once you can fly, meteor shower, starburst, and the "fly up/down" keys pretty much let you kill anything you have the spell points for. (If outside)
>>319435393
Get this:
http://www.celestialheavens.com/forum/10/9704
>>319435393
Sparks is your go to damage dealing spell for a long fucking time.
>>319436714
The spoiler is the worst for a first walkthrough, don't confuse newcorners.
>>319436714
You don't need the flying scroll to get to the shrine. Just look up and press space.
Jesus fucking Christ, I haven't played this game for ages. I've finished it twice, somehow. But man it's fucking awful. And great. It's so fucking shitting over the player.
Yeah, give everyone a bow, fight range where possible, go solve the goblin dungeon south of the city first.
Keep in mind this game is AS FUCKING PLAYER UNFRIENDLY as possible, and get used to a lot of trial and error, a lot of things you will have to cheeze, and generally an insane amount of frustrations.
Be mighty
Be magicalWizardry was here, M&M is a loser!
>>319435393
have two elemental casters. one should focus first on water&fire, and the other on air&fire. Earth can wait
if you have a knight, drop all your miscellenaus skills to him, so mages can have much needed spell points.
KACS is a good starter party. don't be afraid of melee'ing enemy mages.
Hasnt Ulillillia broken all the M&M games with his autism powers? Go see how he did it
>>319436882
>not sharpmetal shotgunning everything
>>319437215
>first quest sends you to a high level area with a shitload of werewolves
>>319437454
Basically one of my major qualms with the game WAS that it was organized like crap. You can go to an area 30 levels too high for you in about 12 minutes to finish a quest you get assigned in the starting town (temple of Baa for the wind chime comes to mind). This game is pretty much the most antagonistic towards a player I've ever seen in a game, but it does do a good job of giving what it offers, namely massive amounts of customization and running around. That and it can get scary as hell in some of the darker dungeons.
>>319435393
>Played this with three friends, each of us made a character and decided what they would equip and cast
>One person moves the mouse, one presses the keys etc
>Constant debates about who gets what loot, where to go next
Best vidya experience I ever had. Closest thing to having an actual adventure when you are 7 years old
Start by going into the Inn and pick the conversation options, one should give you a bag of gold there. Then go into the stables and pick up the Horseshoes, dump them all on your Mage character because they give skill points. And like everyone else said, give everyone Bows immedieatly because Melee is shit in the beginning but ramps up later. Drink from wells for HP/MP
I always made a beeline for that first tavern, speaking to the questgiver who dumps a grand on you in advance.
>>319435393
Jesus christ how retarded do you have to be to not be able to find a guide on the internet?
>>319438074
Fuck you. I want a M&M thread
>>319435393
Why do all the character portraits look like you just took off your pants?
>>319437768
>This game is pretty much the most antagonistic towards a player I've ever seen in a game,
> enter giant empty room in Temple of Baa
> reach other end of it
> 5.6 gazillion skellingtons spawn behind you
I love this game.
>>319438179
So you lied, is that it?
>>319437768
> You can go to an area 30 levels too high for you in about 12 minutes to finish a quest you get assigned in the starting town (temple of Baa for the wind chime comes to mind
Isn't it great?
>>319438245
Nah, just finally found something on /v/ I can get into. No console war/pixel game/new release propaganda crap.
>>319437768
i beat this game when i was 12 years old. You younguns are so spoiled, you can't take any adversity. Have some drive, just run away, and return stronger to rape these fucking monsters.
>>319436128
This
I had no idea so many people considered Might and Magic 6 to be such a difficult game.
>>319437768
>Get too close to goblins
>They invade the starting town
>Had a save game with me and my friend
>We were like 10 years old
>Our characters were utter shit
>16 year old older brother and his best friend have a joint save they put dozens of hours into
>Old brothers friend decides to help me out for a bit
>He goes into auto-pilot and saves over his own game upon completing the part I was stuck on
>>319438435
/v/ is full of "gamers" who played nothing but interactive fiction on consoles
>>319438202
>Press altar
>Gorillion Skeletons
>Oh you can get to high ground from behind
>Spend afternoon sniping skellies
I miss MM6 and 7.
Dumping best songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qju33S6EH_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm33MMa9d_A
>>319438470
>Get too close to Dragonflies
>They invade the starting town
And that's how you loot everyone without having asshole reputation and you owe nothing to the fireball wand guy.
Castle Kreigspire and Castle Darkmoor were my favorite dungeons.
>>319438774
Bitch please, I always take the wand and tell him to fuck off and go on a goblin genocide every MM7 play through.
>>319438667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqgXUrBQ0PY
>>319438667
I'm nostalgiaing a lot, you fucker ;_;
>>319438667
>New Sorpigal Theme
oh GEEZ that takes me back.
>>319435393
Prepare to walk backwards and shoot arrows for hours and hours.
Actually been playing MM6 recently as well. Never have complited it before, but MM7 is one on my favorite childhood games so I decided to finally beat the one that people usually regard as the best in the series. My party is currently over lvl 50 by now.
>>319438667
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJQM3p3vFIw
I miss the M&M series, the setting, characters and music always reminded me of a goofy ren fair and the gameplay was still good, now fantasy games take themselves too seriously.
MMX was super mediocre, hopefully someone salvages the series eventually.
>>319439412
Hahahahahahahahaha
;__;
MM7>MM6, I do like both tho
Also best song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVqbnGWqf6c
what if I don't get a bow?
>>319439412
People have been saying that since HOMM5, and each new game in the series got worse, MM is dead, thanks ubishit.
>>319439528
Then you are retarded and are also dead because you didn't have a bow.
Wasn't one of the Might and Magic games set during the apocalypse?
>>319439528
Are no bow runs even possible in MM6?
>>319439773
MM8 I believe.
I have the bow sound effect burned into my memory
As well as "Fire, Air, Water and Earth" that Indian shopkeeper said
>>319439890
Of course they're possible, bows are actually only useful in the early game anyway.
>>319440006
>bows are actually only useful in the early game anyways
its not nice to lie online anon.
>>319439948
"See you later!"CHEAPSKATE
>>319439948
WZZZHHHHWZWZWZWZW
A-HA!
>>319439583
>>319439890
so you're telling me I need a full legolas party to play this game?
why not rename it to BOWS AND MAGIC
>>319439948
ROT IN HELL YOU PENNY PINCHING MISER
>>319435393
>can't figure out shit on a M&M game
>can't even find a guide with google
You should probably throw yourself off a bridge, no joke.
>>319440112
melee classes get pretty strong late game, they just have a rough early game
>>319436229
man, 7 and 8 are cakewalk when you compare it to immense difficulty of MM6 endgame dungeons like the fucking pyramid
>>319439948
gray things and salhutations
>>319440112
No but learn everyone Bow skill asap, every class can learn it and its beyond useful early game before you get Bless at proper levels
>>319440346
>tfw those fucking mazes at the end
And while the automap is useful it could be alot better
>>319440429
>And while the automap is useful it could be alot better
have fun navigating kriegspire
>>319440346
castle darkmoor might be one of the worst dungeons ever created
>>319438435
it's artificially difficult because of blatantly bad design and organization. none of the retarded shit wrong with it was intentional craftmanship by people who know what they're doing. most of these old RPGs are just half baked mechanics slapped together. that's why they're so easy to break.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvk7BcZi9v0
Literally best track in the entire series.
Contest my opinion at your peril.
>>319439773
>Wasn't one of the Might and Magic games set during the apocalypse?
MM8 was that, kinda. Four portals opened to four elemental planes, and unleashed cataclysmatic events on the world.
In reality, it just caused minor inconviniences to the player, meteor showers on pre-determined spots in the starting locations. The game did not exactly do a great job of drawing the player into an end-of-the-world scenario.
Still my favorite of the MM games, despite being HILLARIOUSLY BROKEN AND UNBALLANCED.
best game
Just explore.
>>319439273
Did Paul have anything to do with VI?
>>319440662
He arranged a whole bunch of old tracks of his from across the series and these tracks are all GOAT. There's even more in the expansion.
>>319440529
Not so bad because you got Lloyd's Beacon and other super buff spells at that point but this dungeon broke my balls
>>319440531DISPELLED
Can anyone provide a Mega, zippy whatever link for the iso?
>>319440806
>Not so bad because you got Lloyd's Beacon and other super buff spells at that point
>not going with 4 knights and no companions
>Darkmoor absolutely infested with skellies 24/7
>no one in town bats an eye or mentions it.
This always confused me.
Post your party
>>319440872
get it for a few bucks on gog man
Holy shit, a MM6 on /v/? What the fuck is happening?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-qxU0MJNhA
>>319435393
/spoiler/ wait till the end, when you get laser and plasma weapons /spoiler/
>>319440940
UGH ignorant, dont be so skelephobic
>>319440921
>tfw Lloyd's Beacon on multiple places in the world to grant +20 levels, +40 AC, +50stats and spellcasters with Day of the Gods and Day of Protection
Add Laser Guns to that and you are literally god
>>319440112
Ez ranged is always good to have. Hell even in Baldur's Gate giving everyone a bow is the best way to start out.
>>319441018
the devs are dead, what's the point?
I just love how the art style was all over the place in 6.
> CGI intro with shit looking nothing like anything else in the game - probably made by a completely different team
> awkward CGI outro that reuses models from the game
> 3D polygon world with sprite objects
> CGI sprite enemies and NPCs
> touched up character portraits that are probably some of the dev's relatives
> companion pics are probably public domain images with medieval shit photoshopped onto them
> item graphics are a weird mix between CGI, drawings and photoshop
>>319441346
Can't your characters die if you take too long?
Maybe I'm thinking of a different game.
>>319441656
6 was essentially a work in progress by a different dev that Caneghem bought out and then changed some things a bit to make it more M&M-like. That's why preview images you see in Heroes 2 look absolutely NOTHING like the final game.
>>319441732
There are age related stat debuffs and magical aging in MM but I can't remember if you can outright die, I've never had that much of a problem with magic aging.
>>319442114
This, you get minus to physical stats when you get older but plus to magic stats for it. However you really, really have to try in order to get the party to super old age
Why did they go with those ugly digitized people instead of keeping art style of previous games? Who finds this appealing?
>>319440394Oh hallo! Schön das du da bist!
God, the German version was the stuff of legends.
Roderick was a flaming homo, Alexis sounded shy and disinterested, Serena had an orgasm whenever she identified a valuable item and Zoltan hat a voice that can only be described with "slightly stoned douchebag".
Let's not even talk about the rest.
Might and Magic, man. Fucking great.
The game shits all over modern views on balancing and player frustration and difficulty.
The game can break you and you can break the game. If the game rapes you in the ass you are shit out of luck but besides offering you a million ways to get, it also offers you the tools to rape back.
There is nothing more fun than getting your ass kicked in some area and coming back a few hours later with some insane equipment and steamroll everything like a bunch of crazy war gods.
>>319442336
muh 3d was a big deal for the time.
>>319442336
Realistic graphics craze was the in thing at the time. The thing is, it did increase sales. See: Heroes 3.
>>319441656
And speaking of the outro,Why the fuck are there cannibals during my knighting ceremony?! And why the hell am I becoming a knight, anyway? "Knight" is a starting class so that little circus-loving shit is technically DEMOTING my party!
>>319442336
dude, the horriby digitized people is one of the best parts of the game.
>>319442631
>>319442663
Even upon release I thought it looked ugly and weird.
>>319442762
oh man, them cannibals, I wonder how much a shitstorm the game would get if it released today
>>319441258
Crawl back to your hole retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPa3HBVM4_E
>>319438435
it can be pretty hard if you do segments at the wrong time unless you backtrack like mad because all the healing spells suck ass
>see ya cheapskate
Am I crazy or do you always walk slightly sideways? This really bugs me for some reason and I can't figure out of it's actually the case or if I'm just imagining it.
The portraits were one of the best things in the game
>>319442336
this was the previous art style. MM always looked like shit
>>319443115
Come to think of it, a surprising amount of enemies was black in the game.
The Baa cultists, the warriors, the cannibals, the cutpurses...
>>319443595
True, but the cannibals are basically tribal savages.
>>319443330
>>319443590
Those are just pixel people.
The characters in MM6 are pixelated photos.
>>319442336
I like them
I SHUPPOSE YOU'LL BE WANTIN' SHARRRRRRRRRRRRRVICE.
>>319443590
that art style is great, say again its shit and I'm gonna fight you in the fucking street m8
>>319443590
The cutscenes were cool looking, though.
>>319443590
Don't fix what ain't broken.
This is one of my favorite games.
Tried and tried again to get good enchants with magic like I've read somewhere but to no avail and apparently you can get only to something like +12. I never figured out what some people in game meant when they said during equinoxes and solstices magic was stronger, I went to enchant stuff during equinoxes on the druid grove and another place and still I couldn't get good shit, by the end of it I tried everything to the point of obsession.
Also, I've read around the internet that if you do some crazy shit in front of the volcano near an island it erupted or some shit, not sure if that was a thing but when I tried it didn't work. I think I felt for a mew truck tier joke.
>>319443995
damn that guy in the top left looks a like a badass Kamen Knight.
>>319444042
>finally meet Lord Xeen after so many hours of dungeoncrawling and going up against literal armies of enemies
>bash his fucking head in within less than two rounds
a bit anti-climactic but I still loved it
>>319443330
>tfw Might & Magic was my first encounter with ahegao.
>that fucking circus hunting quest
had to have a slot filled by a maiden for half the game since It didnt show up till december
>>319444230
Adding more
>>319444230
I dont even remember these enemies
>>319437784
Oh fuck that was probably fun as fuck
Helps that characters themselves always comment on items when you ID them
I remember laughing everytime some bitch in my party yelling at great items as if she was fucking salivating, "It'sh MINE! Mine!"
In fact, i remember laughing 80% of the time something happens in this game, god that game was too fun and silly.
>Might & Magic goes full retard by mixing fantasy with sci-fi
>start playing Wizardry
>Wizardry goes full retard by mixing fantasy with sci-fi
Christ...
>>319444269
>they actually referenced it in X
>>319444452
The only full retard here is you
>>319444456
That's all X could do, reference better games
>>319444452
>have magicians and half-orc barbarians with axes going up against robots wih chainsaws and androids with lasers
why dont you like fun, anon?
>>319444452
I have nothing against that if not for the fact that everything becomes trivial and boring once you get a hold of laser rifles.
The lore is actually pretty fucking sweet, see >>319444141
I really liked Might & Magic X, even if it was alot more casual than the rest (except those chests only opened by real life riddles goddamnit)
>>319444456
how so?
>>319444456
it wasnt that bad. Best turn based western blobber in a decade at least.
>>319444380
Seriously, there NEEDS to be a rip of all of those.
>>319444381
They were in the Dungeon of Death which was only accessible when you combined IV and V.
>>319444935
>Dungeon of Death
Did a 14 year old wrote this?
>>319444935
So far there is this
I have an embarrassing amount of time in MM6I also have five copies, including the GoG version and the steam version that came with X. So worth it.
>>319445074
M&M is whacky fun, stfu if you dont know what you are talking about
>>319444925
IIRCwhen you rescue the child of the local mayor (or something like that) the brat wants to go to the circus afterwards but gets interrupted and told to stay the fuck here.
>>319444381
They were in Sandro's skullfuck dungeon of rape and death in World of Xeen. It had enemies that eradicated you (so destroying your entire equipment as well) if you so much as looked at them. It had fun parts too, though, like the giant crosswords section.
>>319445074
Would it be better if it was called the Caves of Uruk'Halal
>>319444141
>tfw no aliens and alien constructs in Heroes
>tfw this world is now gone and replaced by Ashan
>tfw even history of Ashan will never be finished because no Dark Messiah 2
>>319445160
>M&M is whacky fun
>enter some ancient pyramid near the endgame
>it is full of star trek references
>literally all puzzles are star trek references
you just gotta love that shit
>mm 6,7, and 8 were all released within a year of each other
How did people do this shit? MM6 took me the best part of a year to beat.
>>319445216
>>319444935
I must have missed that dungeon and I thought I did everything except one, mh..
>>319445367
It was nerds making games for nerds. It was a good time.
>>319445298
To be fair, the world of Ashan wasn't that bad. It was generic as fuck, but solid. I still mourn the absence of weird sci-fi backstory, but in a world where you can't have nice things, Ashan was really not the worst.
>>319445367
Man, V.A.R.N was fucking creepy.
>>319440068
Well! I never...
>>319440068
How rude...
>>319445216
OH NO THE LICHES GOT TO DAVID BOWIE.
>>319445429
no commitees over everything, marketers and PaRasites decide nothing.
>>319445367
>the tomb of Varn
>that fuckhuge level that made the graphics engine shit itself
>those hordes of angry anubises and genies
>that weird as fuck music
The first time I stepped in this place I got suckerpunched like never before. I honestly don't know what's harder between that level and Castle 'woops there go your buffs' Darkmoor
>>319445216
It also featureddozens of Lord Xeen clones at the bottom.
And your reward for all that shit?
You getpromoted to super retard - I'm not shitting you.
>>319445429
>>319445714
>no commitees over everything
Except you missed the part where 3DO was forcing NWC to churn a game a year leading to visible downfall in quality between the titles (this applies to Heroes as well, remember Chronicles?). They were milking that cow hardcore, Assassin's Creed style.
>>319445492
It was implied somewhere that Ashan is in the same universe as the older games,but its somehow locked away frin the rest of the galaxy.
There is still small spark of hopeif ubishit sells franchise to someone else
Do the followers that say they don't have any skills do anything?
The obvious answer is no, but I don't know why you're able to recruit them.
>>319444141
There's one buoy that you can click which makes volcano erupt, actually. It doesn't makes anything elsebesides one-time spawn of a bunch of monster iirc
>>319445752
if you have 2 master dark magic characters, you can cheese shrapmetal on darkmoor, both liches and beholders are vulnerable. it still take some kiting though.
i don't remember pyramid being particularly difficult or frustrating.
>>319440593
That's one of the best parts.
Mostly dragon party. GG
>>319445836
It wassuper gooberif I recall correctly, but yeah, those boss spawning machines were kinda crazy.
That funky music, though.
https://youtu.be/bZfCjrhAHzI
>>319437261
Pls Wizardry no bully
>>319445492
Well, MMX has one early book which references the stargate thing in earlier games.
>>319445752
V.A.R.N. monsters were super resistant to magic or at least fire magic for what I remember which made fighting many of them hard.
Also was the GIANT room full of efreets in there?
Man, that was a pain in the ass.
i went to darkmoor when I was overleveled I thinkstill got my ass handed to him by those fucking beholders
>>319445496
It's somehow scary even when looked at through a mapviewer.
I think it's because it makes you really see just how fucking massive it is.
>>319437261
I played both series, slightly prefer M&M for the overworld but both are good series.
>>319435393
Air magic is very convenient to train
>>319446458
Water as well.
>>319446851
>>319446458
Convince me why Earth Magic isn't a big turd on a turd.
>>319446964
I can't.
It still baffles me that the XEEN games produced almost Soundblaster-quality sound and voice samples with the PC speaker.
The only notable difference was some high background noise.
Is Isles of Terra worth it? I remember playing it and getting to the pyramids but never found the answers to half the riddles and couldn't find a way to finish the game.
>>319446964
stone to flesh I guess...
>>319446964
I dunno. You can shoot bees?
>>319447171
arguably its even better than WoX, better balanced and with a better sense of progression
Xeen has the more interesting world though and a few minor things that are better
overall I think they are pretty much on par
All bullshit aside, I'm going to cry a little when this thread dies...
>>319447748
MM6 threads happen once in a while, don't worry.
>>319447748
Yeah, /v/ doesnt get good threads like this very often when there isn't shitposting or memes thrown around.
This guy walks into the club and slaps your gfs ass. What do you do?
Would it be hard to write a dungeon crawler in Unity these days? How come we don't see a revival of the genre?
>>319448263
Some genius once said that it's very hard to make simple games.
>>319448232
Meteor swarm his ass to oblivion.
>>319448232
Invite him into my party of course. There're too many asses to be slapped and not enough capable heroes.
>>319448263
They're just not very popular today. The only country consistently making dungeon crawlers still is Japan, but I can't stand the art in their games.
world map
>>319448263
well theres grimrock
>>319448263
Some people managed to write a dungeon crawler in fucking Minecraft (using pulleys and circuits), and I'm pretty sure there are multiple ones made in microsoft Excel.
So the answer is "no".
Making a GOOD one, and more importantly sellable one, that is a different issue.
Look into Grimrock if you haven't already.
>>319448263
>Legend of Grimrock 1&2
>Might and Magic X
>Bards Tale 4
there is a mini revival but first person dungeon crawlers are a niche in an already very niche genre. not a lot of money to be made here
>tfw there were probably around 5 or more fan projects, from fan continuity to remakes on a new engines.
>all dead
>>319435393
get drunk
kill all the peasants
never sleep
>play old game
>everything is cryptic
>have to use a guide
>get to a certain point in the game
>suddenly I can't go any further
>find out that because I didn't get a certain item/do a certain action the game is broken and I have to start again
This is why I dread playing old games
RIP thread. I loved you.
>>319449367
Nothing like that in this game champ
>>319448232
i just lloyd beacon his ass right in the middle of castle darkmoor watch him run like a bitch, trying to flee from all the shit that's inside
>>319449367
I think it's more of a problem on those click adventures, I think Kyrandia had a somewhat common way to play yourself into a corner.
>>319448575
No, thanks.
>>319439948
>>319440101
It's gotta be this. I hear Wizard Eye or the casting chants from Baldur's Gate 2 whenever I see a spell being cast.
>>319450095
>excellent atmosphere
>tons of puzzles
why not mate
>>319438667
That's not Moonlit Snow Journey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5XjRBTEpU
Completed the day of destroyer just recently as a lich. Enjoyed the shit out of it.
What's the best offensive spell?
Arcomage was the greatest in-universe card game until Gwent.
>>319450385
Sharpmetal.
>>319450095
guess thats why nobody makes them then.
>>319444452
Maybe you should play some Ultima instead.
Adding a stupid sci-fi twist was just kind of a thing for RPGs back then, I like it personally.
>>319450385
male to female transgendrify
>>319450693
Ultima has that shit too.
>>319450476
>Arcomage
You have some damn fine taste, my friend.
>>319450693
Uh, Ultima has the exact same thing.
>>319450232
At some point it felt too repetitive, which you might say is alright for a dungeon crawler where you're stuck in a dungeon but wizardry never felt that redundant. Pehaps because there were tons of things you discovered during the whole experience while grimrock was pretty much "capped" in that sense a couple of hours within the game.
Also the combat was something beyond terrible even for dungeon crawler standards.
Overall the game felt cheap, like a bland copypaste of the general aspects of the genre without charm. Have yet to play Grimrock 2.
>>319450892
>>319450782
that's the joke :^)
AlsoNILBOG
>>319435393
You should start by uninstalling the game and playing Final Fantasy 4/5 - World of Xeen instead.
Also: Go boack to /vr/
>>319451254
I meant might & magic - damn it
>>319451575
Crossover when?
I'd totally play a first person dungeon crawler JRPG
>rewatch the endings of the games
>see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2q7mUNRbhE
The fuck? I don't remember half of the scenes in that one. Was there a version of WoX with an extended ending?
>>319451960
Elminage Gothic.
>>319451254
>Go boack to /vr/
Are you retarded? You can discuss any game on /v/ as long as you're not making general threads about it daily.
>>319451960
So... Wizardry?
>>319452267
Yes. Once you finish the Darkside campaign in WoX, the Dragon Pharoah sets you off in a few dungeons here and there on both sides, and you get a nice finale.
Man, I loved those fucking games. MM6 was my first, but I eventually played nearly all of them including, Wox, MM3, as well as the NES and SNES versions of MM1 and 2.
Still, MM6 remains my favourite.
>exploring the temple of Baa
>reach an altar and a gong rings
>a skeleton army spawns behind me
Man, so many good memories.
Exploring the werewolf dungeon, reaching dragon sands by mistake while terribly under leveled, jumping into random dungeons just to get my ass kicked, seeing the Tomb of Varn for the first time, flying around the map dropping meteors on hordes of enemies below me.
Good times.
>>319448263
I'd happily make one if I could get the art and music assets for it, but I can't.
It's not difficult at all to code something like that. Completely trivial, barring the required time to simply create the code base.
>>319451254
>/vr/
Can somebody remind me again what the purpose of making that board was?
>>319453236
You should check /agdg/ if you haven't already.
Which of these is a good place to start, 6?
>>319453319
A warning shot to /v/ from moot, who was pissed for a reason I can't remember.
>>319452917
Yeah, I'm aware of that.
What surprised me was that there are tons of scenes that I don't remember like the whole elevator part or the frontal and side views of the Dragon Pharaoh.
>>319450357
>Completed the day of destroyer just recently as a lich. Enjoyed the shit out of it.
I enjoyed 8 right up to Eschaton's crystal. That was some horseshit.
>>319453319
Yeah, it was a pretty retarded split. I don't think anyone ever asked for it unlike /vg/ or /vp/. Maybe Moot personally wanted it and posts over there anonymously.
>>319435393
why is every avatar looking as if a hobo was flashing them his rotten penis?
>>319453493
6->7->8 if you prefer 3D graphics, otherwise 3 is a comfy starter to the series.
>>319453637
Because OP plays naked.
>>319453493
Start with 6, play 7 and maybe 8 as well. Ignore 9 and 10.
3-5 are good as well but really show their age, maybe try those if you want more after 8.
>>319453924
I still have 9's CD here with me, it was fun for what I remember, even harder than the other M&Ms but I only played up to the first town. Why was it shit again?
>>319453924
I'm always game for more after eights.
>>319453319
Containment board for Doom generals.
>>319453637
That's what happens when you fall.
>>319453557
Pretty much all MM games had a tendency to suddenly shit themselves in the finale. MM6's first visit to Oracle's undeground and everything after that was god-awful too.
>>319453493
6 is pretty good. 3-5 are good as well, but they can be a bit annoying to play at times since they do lack in usability.
To be fair, 3-5 are very different from 6-8. 3-5 are more like Grimrock, whereas 6-8 are a bit more like Elder Scrolls, but with an optional turnbased combat.
Personally I prefer MM6-8, because the sheer number of enemies is hilarious. Once you're moon walking away from an army of Goblins while shooting arrows at them you'll know what I mean.
MM7 and 8 are a bit more polished and balanced, but I still prefer MM6. It's a mess at times that sometimes feels like a haphazardly thrown together mod (see: >>319441656)
but it's a hot funny mess. When playing the game, you can easily imagine the devs asking themselves "hey what's the dumbest shit can we put in this dungeon".
>>319454294
What the hell was up with the oracle, anyway?
First a huge eerie computer screen raises and when you click on it you're suddenly in someone's living room.
>>319454174
It's been a while, but I remember being disappointed with the game's world and story. The earlier games just had more soul. The graphics also somehow managed to be even more awkward than in the previous games.
It's not a bad game and I had fun playing it, but it's a clear break from 6-8 in many respects.
>>319454294
That would be because it's always the science-fiction infusion with a ton of floating robots that Eradicate your ass.
I don't mind the Sci-Fi mix, but the ending of all the M&M games is just lackluster and for reasons I can't quite articulate. M&M7 for instance: Land of the Giants is great but you're there for all of 10 minutes, hop in the Hive, rescue Roland, and fuck off.
That's it. Best area in the game and terribly underutilized. And then you're forced to do some shitty underwater section and the Lincoln. Game over.
Or M&M8; the Crystal prisons are quick and easy as hell. Final area is the shitty maze; get the center and the BBEG is all 'Welp. Fine.' and done. Game over.
I don't get it.
It's bizarre that /v/ had several succesfull threads about dungeon crawlers lately. I was under the impression that no one would give a shit given the golden age was around the early 90s and the genre is pretty obscure.
>>319454940
>>319454174
Because the company was given a strict deadline and forced to cut a ton of corners during production, making a 3D world empty and bland. Hardly any mechanics got in, and non of the ones they wanted to bring over from previous entries. One of the devs said it needed another 6 months to be good.
>>319455183
I don't really consider this a dungeon crawler.
When I think of dungeon crawlers I think more of something like Wizardry or the older M&M games.
>>319454940
I can't stop laughing at this fucking face, holy shit, what?
>>319455176
what the hell is with the japanese on the map
>>319452267
damn...my dick
the cinematic looked so great
>>319455183
There's plenty of older folks (by vidya standards) here, I think the reason these threads are so nice is exactly because those games are no longer being made, so there aren't any flame wars about old vs new and derailing discussions about nostalgia fags.
>>319456141
Which is good and bad.
Good because it means we can have a good thread.
Bad because they typically die off without your typical /v/ shitposters.
>>319455927
Game dev:
>"Yeah, that's looks good. This is fine. We can ship this."
these things just happen sometimes
>>319455934
I have no idea. I saved it from somewhere years ago.
>>319456362
He looks like a fucking redneck from Deliverance. Holy shit.
Why is everything 3rd person these days?
>>319456608
because someone could be standing behind you and you wouldn't know, and it would be awkward
Which are the better first person RPGs Might and Magic, or Wizardry?
>>319457410
play m&m to have fun
play wizardry if you have autism
>>319457410
Might & Magic is easier to get into while Wizardry is brutal
>>319457609
>>319457612
Considering I only recently grew my appreciation for first person dungeon crawling through Phantasy Star and Persona 1(meaning I'm casual as fuck) I'll go with M&M then, thanks.
