Why would anybody join the railroad and support synths? Aside from Valentine, who has human memories and woke up after being discarded in a trash heap, has anybody had a synth interaction that made them feel bad for synths and want to help them?
Why did you join the railroad? Because every institute synth I've met so far as tried to murder me on sight.
The terminator movies didn't teach you anything?
>>319373118
I'm not sure if Curie counts, people seem to like her quite a bit.
But then she's a robot specifically programmed to be a French waifu and makes no pretense to the opposite.
Danse hates what he is and asks you to put him down.
>>319374560
Curie is awesome, but nah, doesn't count because she's not a real synth.
I just can't think of a reason to join, since I've never met an institute synth that doesn't want to murder me.
They're less downtrodden and more T-800.
I don't know, anon. I sympathize with specific synths like Valentine but for the most part I see them as mindless p-zombies responding to my stimulii in a believable manner. The gen 3 synths are, as I understand them, lacking true minds. So as tear jerking as convincing Maxson to spare Danse was, I don't actually see Danse as anything more than a really lovable piece of furniture.
If the Institute had told me that they were actually real human minds transferred into cyborg synthetic bodies somehow, I'd be down to save all Synths in a heartbeat. But they're not. The vast majority of synths are just really good simulacrums. With all the emotions they can EXPRESS they don't actually FEEL anything, with all the responses they can FORM they don't actually THINK anything. And the Institute built them that way because they want to control them. The entire goal of the synth program wasn't to give people immortal bodies, it was merely extensive synth testing with the ultimate goal of building synths that could reliably infiltrate commonwealth societies and supplant their leadership as sleeper agents for the Institute's will.
True AIs have more goddamn self-awareness than a Synth and their brains are made of fucking silicon.
>>319373118
>Because every institute synth I've met so far as tried to murder me on sight.
every white person i've met so far have been losers, doesn't mean I think all white people are losers
There's so much wrong with all of this fucking game story.
>Why make synths with feelings and still treat them like they don't have feelings?
>Why give synths feelings at all at places they don't need it, like the synth that clean the sewers?
>Why can't they design synths for specific tasks rather than having to assess the synths capabilities?
>Why treat synths as garbage if they're so important?
>Why does every scaped synth tells the institute is horrible when it's pretty chill place?
>Why does everyone tells you coursers are badass when they're just normal gen 3 synths with training/
And that's just from the top of my head and on synths alone.
I think the thing that sealed this game as a shit game was the final talks with Father when you're invading the institute. Holy shit, so few options, no branches at all, not even the option of telling him "I'm doing this for you mother/father, you sick fuck".
That H1 synth, the on that the Courser you kill is hunting, and Danse. Special mention to Danse for being a romance option.I haven't seen Curie yet so I can't credit her
>>319375445
At least they're not niggers, so they have that going for them.
>>319375521
>why does ever escaped synth tell me the institute is a horrible place when it's pretty chill?
That's what the Institute wants you to think. They don't tell you everything
>>319375562
Did you mean H2? He was so nice and innocent. It was a little sad that you couldn't say goodbye before he got mind-wiped.
Curie isn't a synth. She's just AI that became self aware. Synth never got that, they had to be programmed to become self aware. As can be shown they can be reprogrammed, reset wiped clean etc.
>>319375126
I did like the James Bond base, but ended up massacring the lot of them.
There's one runaway synth in the main mission and another in Covenant, but they don't have much of a real thing to drive you to help them, besides tapping onto the 'young girl in danger' factor.
From what I've seen of it the child Shawn synth is pretty fucking repulsive.There is Sturges (mechanic guy with the Minutemen headed for Sanctuary) but you don't actually talk to him either. Magnolia likewise has too little of a plot involvement to count as someone who can convince you to help them out.
Really, the whole thing is just a big failure of story telling at Bethesda's part. We are told synths come into sentience while in Institute servitude, try to run away and then the Railroad helps them by memory-wiping them and giving them fake ones. We never actually see that however and there is no real story reason for the player to help the Railroad.
I only hunted them down and tried joining because I've heard they help you upgrade your clothes like you can upgrade your Vault suit, but ended up not even using that feature wherever it was available.
>>319375319
But thats not true, if u listen to any of curies post conversion dialogue
She literally feels love
And a host of other emotions,which she says distract her from her work
>why does every synth on the surface kill anything living on sight?
Never really get told any of this. "The Institute is here solely for the betterment of mankind! And for killing people for no legitimate reason!"
The child synth creeps me out, I don't like that nigga at all
>>319375445
Are you 16?
>>319376059
Not to mention the institute is aware that G3s dream.
>>319376059
Didn't she start having emotions even as a robot? I swore I read a terminal entry where you find her that says she evolved beyond her programming.
Found a synth pretending to be a human and was tied up by the guy he was inpersonating. I told him i was on my side and he asked for help. Reloaded and convinced the human to let him go. Then the freed synth says: now i just need to dig 2 graves" and attacks us.
All synths apart from nick are scummy sub hunans. Gass them all.
>>319376059
Curie is an AI, though, not a synth.
I felt no inclination to join any faction other than the Minutemen.
>Brotherhood is even more irrational. Maxson is full Kratos, Kells treat you like shit all the fucking game.
>Railroad is pants on head retarded. Glory is the proof that synths should be killed on sight.
>The Institute is the worst of all, with plans that make no sense. Why didn't they just used the synths to start cleaning above ground
>>319375562
New him for one second. Interacted with him once.
>dialog options out the ass as to why I CANT SAY GOODBYBE
the writing in this game is horrible
To be blunt the only reason why I joined the Railroad is because I heard they let me upgrade clothing.
Oh yeah, and for that kickass pistol.
>>319376415
Knew.
i am stupid
>>319376439
You just need to do a few quests, after you get the armor weaver you can kill them. On top of that, the clothing you can apply armorweave is all over the place
>Can apply to dirty black suit
>Can't apply to clean black suit
>Can apply to battered fedora
>Can't apply to crumpled fedora
>>319376279
There is evolving beyond her programming, and there's emotions.
She says as much herself, that before she could appreciate the player character, but it's only now that she actually feels admiration, frendship or even love.
Basically she's a female French Data you can fuck.
My favorite armor paint mostly
Would like it more without the railroad symbol tho
>>319376731
>Basically she's a female French Data you can fuck.
That's what I've always wanted.
>>319373118
>Why did you join the railroad?
For one, the synths are sentient beings who are being manufactured as slave labor. That is all the reasoning you should need.
Also I just like them as a group. Aside from the faggot Minutemen, they're the nicest. They just wanna help synths have normal, peaceful lives. It isn't just about destroying the Institute because they don't like them, the entire postgame is about helping the synths get out of the Commonwealth by securing checkpoints, rescuing synths that were teleported into dangerous spots, and fighting against a gang specifically targeting synths.
It's a (relatively) simple goal compared to the other endings. Both the BoS and the Institute suppress the Commonwealth in some way, and I personally just hate the Minutemen because of how "default" they are.
>>319377060
>faggot Minutemen
why?
>>319374560
I'm a cvriefag and honestly think synths are simply their implemented memories and what they deem as biological response, or, valentine can only ever be a good guy who in contrast to actual humans is a veritable trophy of what humans should strive to be
I'm hardly a RP fag but institute ending is much easier when you imply "your" synths as benevolent agents who kill undesirables, being essentially nonperishable paladins.
>>319377192
I just know that they only exist because the other factions can be eliminated, meaning there has to be an invincible faction of good guys you can side with when every other option is unavailable.
The Minutemen are what the BoS were in Fallout 3.
Also Preston Garvey's voice actor is god awful. It's not just the writing, he's just plain bad. Mama Murphy is fucking annoying, too. Why did they have to fill an entire faction with invincible annoying people?
I think it'd go a long way towards legitimizing the Railroad if Synths in the wild gave you an option before fighting. Just to show they're not just fucking Terminators. Some kind of "Move along human" dialog or something
>>319373118
I joined the railroad in hopes they can help me get Curie a new body.
>>319377423
>Curiefag
>doesn't believe synths are sentient
You realize her entire romance culminates in this being proven, right? She acquires inspiration that she was unable to perceive as a robot.
>>319373118
Curie, Danse, numerous other characters in the game that are secretly synths.
>>319377060
>Sentient
They can be reset and given any set of memories and personality you want.
>Slave
What slave labor? Cleaning? Doing maintenance and other stuff that can do with no problem since they're basically an improved design from humans?
The only question is why they wouldn't fucking program an enjoyment in performing their tasks. That's something that they couldn't figure out because they're shit scientists. Meanwhile Robert House was able to give that exact trait to all his robots.
I'm not surprised /v/ hates the Railroad, since they're an allegory for abolitionists.
>>319377889
Curie mind wasn't designed by The Institute. She has superior software.
>>319376731
Valentine is straight Data in his Sherlock fantasies.
If G3s are "just" machines, why do they want to run away? It's not like the Railroad is breaking into the Institute and stealing them.
>>319377889
I agree hence the preface of saying I'm a "cvriefag", I'm fine with hypocrisy but I silently acknowledge that Cvrie was a pet project, a aging doctor put together memories of a fling he had in college and implemented the scientific knowledge of history's greats.
She's a copy of something, and maybe that tragedy is part of the appeal
>>319377924
>They can be reset and given any set of memories and personality you want.
That doesn't change the fact that they're sentient, though. A person's memories and personality can be altered through head/brain trauma, hypnosis, etc. This doesn't change the fact that the person is still self-aware, as all of the synths are. If they weren't the wouldn't desire to be free. They would be perfectly fine with waiting 83 years in a Vault like Curie did as a robot.
>>319378013
Yes she was. Her physical "mind" is that of a synth, all of which were created with the Institute. Her personality and memories were just transferred into it.
>>319377924
>They can be reset and given any set of memories and personality you want.
Humans could as well with an augment.
>>319378086
The Institute doesn't make sense. Even if they have simulated feelings, how can they not expect them to act on those feelings? If they're treated like shit or threatened with mind-wiping, they're going to run away.
Because I have a robot dildo collection and I'm serious into fucking robots.
If after saving them you get to fuck them in your secret bunker, I'd be living my fetish.
I can't believe Todd is letting live so close to my fetish, I just need the fuck mods to come out.
>>319373118
I joined the railroad because I didn't feel like I could change the institute, I wanted to be the good guy. instead my choices were rule the commonwealth, nuke the commonwealth and I haven't done the brotherhood one but considering one of the fucking niggers he sends with you is a synth its pretty clear they aren't good either. Fuck fallout 4. what a fucking shitty ending. worst fucking part is after your done, moment after your done with your main quest they hand you a fucking radiant quest.
>Thanks for fucking nuking this area of town, hey mind helping me with something? Don't mind the fact credits just played and I'm going to tell you to talk to someone and escort some fuck bag.
Fuck todd,
>>319376736
Man I am glad you posted that. Badass, i want that.
>>319377441
The funny thing is the Minutemen could have been really cool.
Essentially you are helping people reclaim bits of the wasteland and defend it, create new communities that supply each other and resurrect a military force while doing so. Or at least that's the idea, you just never really see much of it happen.
At least they could have implemented trading between settlements, maybe let one place be a big supply of food or water, the other a trading hub, another more of a scavenging supply depot and military base.
If they felt ambitious they could have let you put together patrols, design a uniform of sorts, secure armaments and delegate the basic missions you do get, basically making sure that all areas and petty issues are covered by your men.
From then on you could have a rivalry or cooperation with Diamond City, maybe at the very end of the faction's quest line create the Commonwealth equivalent of the NCR, like it was attempted before.
But fuck that, raiders with pipe pistols somehow still pose a severe risk to settlers in Sanctuary, despite the rocket launchers and heavy laser guns fucking everywhere and a defence score of 200. Make sure you go to the place you just cleaned out an hour ago and do it again!
>>319378247
Her personality and memories were all based on that modified Mr. Handy software. She just installed herself on that body like they would install any personality.
>>319377060
Yeah but why did you feel bad for synths, because aside from your companions, i haven't met any gen 3's who are friendly (unless i didn't know they were synths) and the gen 1 and gen 2 synths are about as nice as super mutants and feral ghouls.
It's like the underground movement in history if all the black people were armed with laser weapons and were replacing europeans with black people in white face.
>>319378707
> if all the black people were armed with laser weapons and were replacing europeans with black people in white face
This makes me happy.
What gets me about Fallout 4 is you can see how the framework of the factions could lead to some interesting ending paths but they don't and somehow it ends up less satisfying than Fallout 3.
>>319378707
>Yeah but why did you feel bad for synths
Because they were being popped out of a machine and being made to work the rest of their presumably long lives? It's an entire race of sentient beings, I don't really need any more reasoning than that. "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." Optimus Prime wasn't wrong.
The synth debate is a pretty easy choice for me. The Institute is full-retard and the BoS is also pretty stupid in thinking that all synths NEED to be destroyed. Just destroy the method of creating them and let the rest live their lives.
>>319378505
>At least they could have implemented trading between settlements, maybe let one place be a big supply of food or water, the other a trading hub, another more of a scavenging supply depot and military base.
THAT part you CAN do already but it is poorly implemented.
>>319378505
the minutemen are doing what the name sake did, a bunch of people using arms when the time calls for it. The shit part is the settlements don't look better over time and the defense is crap or broken that needs to be fixed.
Because its a vÃdeo game i do what i can, faggot
Anyone else imagine that Glory is just the Railroad's personal cumdump and maybe some of them are committed to the cause but the rest of them just want to use the "gloryhole"?
>>319373118
> Because every institute synth I've met so far as tried to murder me on sight.
yeah, the Gen 1 and 2s
/thread post here, brace your butts
Curie is the answer to this debate.
She was a Mr Nanny robot, which are for a fact just simple robots with basic human interaction functions. General Atomics robots didn't have minds, or consciousness. They were just literally home devices, like a smart washing machine.
Then they upload her into a synth. And that Synth is a perfectly normal, functioning Synth, with all their "emotion" and "feelings" going all sexual over the wanderer.
And this is when you know it's all bullshit, simulations from a Synth hardware that is independent from any "consciousness" or "feelings".
There was no consciousness or actual emotional memories from Curie to justify her Synth love. All other Nanys (even the one who got married) are just following directives.
They are, for a fact, simulated for better human interaction and manipulation.
Ad Victorium
>>319379107
Like I said, the biggest flaw of the synths is that they don't enjoy being told what to do. That's such a fucking no brainer.
>>319376379
She is literally mr handy software
Wat differentiates a mr handys ai from a synth ai (other than the presumed ability to feel,provided by the synth body)
>>319379109
You can share basic crafting resources, but people at Red Rocket Truck Stop can still starve despite Sanctuary Hills just three steps down the road producing a surplus.
>>319379293
Well the Institute totally denied the synths were sentient in the first place, so they would have had no reason to put such a thing in place.
>>319379107
>It's an entire race of sentient beings, I don't really need any more reasoning than that. "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." Optimus Prime wasn't wrong.
I feel pretty bad for Synths too but I consider them a case of sapient but not sentient with very few possible exceptions. They're very smart and have sophisticated programming but I highly doubt that most of them have someone looking at the movie screen so to speak. There's another FO4 topic still up right now that is hotly debating this thing and I'm pretty firmly in the camp that feels just because they have synthetic brain matter and synthetic memories doesn't mean they automatically have a real consciousness using them instead of just computer parameters.
Some of them make a better case than the majority of them, but I'm still skeptical. Especially when the people who built them seem to mostly agree that synths don't have real feelings just faked feelings.
>>319373118
Harkness. I know that was Fallout 3 but that motherfucker deserved freedom. Do it for him.
>>319379465
But then why do they want to be free? Why would they go to such lengths to obtain freedom?
Why does Curie possess the spark of inspiration?
>>319379404
My drive-in has no crops but is surviving off of supply routes. The surplus simply has to be much larger than indicated. MUCH larger than indicated. Enough to have a bunch of crops appearing in your workbench automatically.
Like I said, poorly implemented.
I joined the Railroad because i wanted to be part of a underground military force that many people just hear about and dont really see. Made me feel like a secret agent, especially when completing quests for the institue
>>319379215
Tht probably explains a lot
>>319379259
>They were just literally home devices, like a smart washing machine.
>Then they upload her into a synth.
You left out the being programmed especially to be more than a Mrs Nanny, her further refinement the sole possible hobby of a scientist and two hundred years of independent scientific research.
>>319379604
How is that even a question? A simulated person would express a desire to be free even if they were incapable of actual desire.
>>319379441
They're fucking retarded, they give simulated feelings to synths who are to be slaves, rather than just giving them to synths who will do human interaction.
Why join the railroad (Or atleast side with them for awhile)? BECAUSE UNDER ARMOR UPGRADES
My military fatigues went from just giving me 2 extra SPECIAL points and little defense to giving me 100+ physical and energy resistance
Also, I thought Danse was cool as well besides Valentine
>>319379259
The mr handy curie clone in diamond city falls in love with the school teacher. She literally pulls ypu aside and asks your opinion
>>319373118
if you support the institute you support the kidnapping and human experimentation by their scientists
if you support the brotherhood you support fascism and a "brotherhood" that would discard one of its own, synth or not
if you support the railroad you support, at worst, the freeing of synths willing to risk their "lives" to escape the institute.
>>319373118
There is no question about it, due to their shitty writing they are purely machines that imitate humans.
Bethesda should have done more to make it more of a moral dilemma, but failed.
>>319379719
But then why would they even make the synths like that if they wanted them to be kept at the Institute?
Using your reasoning the synths escaping would be a guarantee. Why make them like that at all?
Also there are a lot of synths at the Institute that don't want to escape.
>>319379604
Curie isn't a synth, she's a Mr Handy. She was built to be a medical researcher and help people, is part of her programming. Just like Danse was built to be a Brotherhood idealistic in every possible way.
Jesus, you Bethesdafags are managing to drag this game harder then Undertalefags
>>319376059
You can also get your computer to tell you that it loves you, that doesn't make it real
She was programmed to improve over time
>>319379972
>Curie isn't a synth, she's a Mr Handy. She was built to be a medical researcher and help people, is part of her programming.
But she doesn't obtain the ability to have inspiration until she transfers to a Synth body and brain.
>>319379404
A supply route fixes that
You can have 1 that offers nothing but food and 1 that offers nothing but water, and have both survive
>using curie as a companion
>refuses to use her default laser rifle
>will just pick up useless shit to use instead
>she prefers punching enemies for 0 damage no matter what
Fuck this I'm ditching this piece of shit waifu bait
>>319380103
Yes, but she didn't compose a song, she didn't invent a machine, she didn't do anything other than what she was programmed to do: medical research.
Here's a better question, if the institute has the technology to make perfect ai with passable synthetic bodies why the fuck aren't they using that level of technology on the thousands of other things that are more pertinent to survival?
What's with all the fucking anti white hate on 4chan lately? Is this shithole getting trolled by tumlblr again?
>>319380297
Gorillas.
>>319380297
Their Bioscience division might actually be worthwhile
>>319375319
>didn't do Nick or Curie's character missions, or side with the BoS
>>319375562
>the on that the Courser you kill is hunting
Just realised she told me we'd meet again and we didn't. Should I have gone Institute or Railroad to meet again?
>>319377998
This really annoys me. Bethesda has boiled an entire posthumanism discussion down to 'muh oppression'
You could construct valid arguments either way for synths to be emotionally valid or not, and their potential as threats as sleeper agents even if they do have real feelings, and Bethesda just says 'they dindu nuffin man save dem poor synths if you don't like slavery otherwise you're an evil racist'
The small handful of synths you work with explore some of these elements well (Nick driven to avenge Jenny despite knowing he's acting on false memories, Danse being loyal to the BoS to the point of being okay with dying - and Maxson's argument that he could have a trigger that could cause the BoS unknown damage, Mayor McDonough as the confirmation that synths are pursuing Institute agendas in the field, Curie's emerging feelings) and then it boils down to 'yes they are human and if you don't agree you're evil'
It really really annoys me that an issue with that ambiguity is boiled down to right and wrong
>>319373118
When you get to the instute you'll witness Synths talking to each other sometime or being interrogated by a courier and they sound just like humans
>>319380297
Bethesda writing.
>>319380592
>Enter The Institute through BioScience
>Elder Maxson go nuts over the sights of food being grown
Geez.
>>319380297
They are though.
>>319380131
Give her a sledgehammer and she goes wild m8
>>319380763
Elder Maxson is a literal Austistic Sperg
>>319381110
The Brotherhood is pretty much autism: the faction
>>319375319
>with the ultimate goal of building synths that could reliably infiltrate commonwealth societies and supplant their leadership as sleeper agents for the Institute's will.
They have a unlimited work force in the form of synths, a 100% loyal work force who can work non stop in any kind of dangerous situation, and even travel to space and build a teleporter big enough to transfer rich materials to earth and solve all the resources problems that started the war in the first place.
They already have enough resources to rebuild diamond shit hole 100 times over as a actual city with enough defenses to assrape the brotherhood into oblivion.
But somehow taking over the communities of farmers who cant even read their own fucking name is a worthwhile goal that will somehow uplift mankind to the age of gods and beyond.
This is worse than mass effect 3 levels of fuckkery.
>>319380131
Are you kidding me, dude? Curie will go UFC on niggas. I've seen her dropkick a raider, or just savagely pummel one into the dirt.
She later found herself a ripper and she's been chainsawing people ever since. Curie is literally perfect.
>>319380632
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
It is an incredibly complex issue and I enjoy all the thinking that goes into justifying either side. Regardless, I still have to go with freeing the synths purely due to the fact that the potential for sentience is clearly there. We can't guarantee that all Gen 3's are sentient, but I'd rather deal with a number of killer robots than murder a single innocent free being.
That being said, definitely break the synth-making machine ASAP.
