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>95% chance to hit = Most likely
>85% chance to hit = Eh, maybe
>75% chance to hit = 99 out of 100 shots miss
Well fuck you too game
Try more luck.
>>319268612
Better than XCOM Enemy Thingy.
>75% chance to hit = Direct hit.
>85% chance to hit = MISS!
>95% chance to hit = CRITICAL MISS!
>>319268612
Actually with 75% it's gonna be roughly 25 out of 100 shots missing.
>>319268772
I had a 99% chance to hit a sectoid.
So I missed, twice in a row.
I closed the game and haven't played for over a week or so now.
>>319268612
Fallout 2, a game that becomes hilariously easy when you play it with 10 luck
>>319268612
you only remember the times you miss, not the times you hit; that's why they seem to happen more often than they should.
>>319268684
If Luck plays that much into it, then the percentages should have been changed accordingly. It's stupid to have a 90+ chance to hit and miss the majority of the time due to luck. Also, I thought Luck was useful for critical hits anyway.
sounds like Fire Emblem
>>319268893
XCOM BABY
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>>319269062
That would make too much sense, that's anti-Fallout.
>>319268612
[TRIGGERED]
This shit was rage inducing
>>319269062
>If Luck plays that much into it
it doesn´t.
>>319268612
>playing shit games with shitty rng design
Just got the car in the game. What happens if I leave it in town because I can't find any fuel cells?
Does the car disappear permanently?
>>319268612
>Playing Fallout 2
>San Francisco is "everybody was kung-fu fighting! didididididingdingding!" the city
>Austin Powers reference
>Blues Brothers reference
>General pop culture references, too many to list
>"Oh my god, they killed Kenny! You bastards!" is an actual line in the game
>Maltese Falcon full of ebin maymays
>Psychic voodoo witch doctor Hakunin
>Evil comic book villain Frank Horrigan
>Fucking Yakuza and Mafia in a post apocalyptic world
>>319272947
Luck plays into all things in life, anon.
>>319269084
Nah, Fire Emblem cheats to make you hit more often than a 75% hit chance statistically should let you. Because most people feel they should almost always hit with 75% chance to hit.
It's roughly balanced, but the numbers aren't all that accurate.
>>319274698
i know rite its like the best game ever
>>319274698
Stop, you are making me want to replay it. But It would be a pain in the ass to gather all the mods again.
>>319274698
>General pop culture references, too many to list
That ruined the game, for me.
After the first Fallout, it was just too shit. Corny shit.
Literally the Borderlands 2 of Fallouts 1 & 2.
>temple
>30% to fuck up an ant's day
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss
>miss
>hit for 5 hp
>miss
>miss
>>319274698
Having just played Fallout 1 and 2 in a row I can agree with this. Fallout 2 has more stuff to explore, but Fallout 1 feels like a much tighter game where the bad dialogue doesn't at least feel as obtrusive as it is in 2.
2 has menu scroll though.
>>319273209
It only gets stolen in Reno and even there only on the main street.
>>319275046
The key to the temple is to not give a fuck about anything but bare minimum of the ants.
Why do people always whine about this shit? Is luck a real life stat?
If there's a 40% or more chance to hit I will take my chances. I've never once felt like I was fucked over by RNG. 70% chance to hit is pretty much as high as I want my hit chance to be.
>>319275175
Fallout 2 is a pretty big improvement over 1 in a lot of gameplay aspects. Followers being highlighted in green now default instead of a perk, fewer glitches that were present in 1, more roleplaying opportunities, etc. The killer was just setting and pop culture references, they killed the game for me.
>Hard West
>80-100% hit chance gets rounded up to 100%
>0-20% hit chance gets rounded down to 0%
>Luck is manageable resource
>>319275046
Sounds about right.
>>319275352
Yea,I got that event. But I mean. If I need to leave my car in Broken Hills. And then go find microfusion in New Reno or Vault City. Will the car still be in Broken Hills when I come back?
>>319268772
>Machine gun
>Alien the size of a van
>95% hit chance
>every single bullet misses
>pokemon
>80% chance to hit
>your shit misses every other turn with that percent
>NPC trainers hit you with status effects all the time with perfect accuracy that supposedly have 50% -60% chance to hit.
I cant tell you the rage I had at this. Also get some luck op.
>>319268986
fucking bullshit and you know it. every full bar of VATs that I use, i make sure how many hit and miss, based on percentages.
there is a factor of luck but when it's this consistent, i know it's rigged in favor of missing the target.
i wouldn't mind missing if it would actually hit the target at least 75% of the time when VATs tells me it's 85%
>>319275909
You could just drive it where ever, run out of fuel and get a map marker for the car. If you're using the fan patch the car shouldn't disappear.
>>319275551
The Enclave was such a poorly framed threat too. Sure, you might come across them sometimes in an encounter that was just game over straight away if you weren't so strong it didn't matter, but there was no consistent threat. That said I did enjoy sneaking into Navarro.
You might want to believe that you're just lying to yourself and that it's actually accurate but no. You're right. It's fucked.
The truth is, we have a strictly deterministic universe. Random chance is not even remotely possible. All games can do is make a decision and obfuscate it behind some percentage. There are ways it tries to mimic randomness but nothing they can do will make it random.
It's all a sham.
>>319276279
Well Enclave did only have a minute presence in the west coast for a good reason. They only were looking for a way to wipe out all the muties and Navarro was enough to ferry resources to oil rig. Master would have done the same if he didn't want to mutate everyone.
>>319276593
>Master would have done the same if he didn't want to mutate everyone.
I will never understand why the Master gave up so easily. You explained one fatal flaw in his mutants. Okay. Now go use that supreme brainpower to fix it, Master. Or keep a farmed stock of humans as slaves and for breeding. Every so often, elevate a particularly talented human slave to mutie status.
>>319276745
And the fucking muties themselves actually do discover the cure to their infertility in Tactics.
>>319268612
I played it recently and it's not that bad.
I cranked up my guns skill somewhat high and missing an eye shot became an exception. rather than norm.
Fallout 2 may be chocked full of annoying as fuck references, but if you overlook them (that can be quite difficult to be fair) there's still a very well crafted setting with many memorable characters and tons of unique ways to roleplay.
That's more than Fallout 4 can boast.
>>319268612
>Not playing as a dumb as shit character and beating everyone to a pulp
Stuff like speech, barter, and intelligence is for the birds.
I'll be broing it up with my boy Torr.
>>319273209
As long as you don't leave it in a random encounter you shouldn't lose it.
>>319276162
>he never experienced the masterpieces that were FO1 & 2
>>319277157
Well the development focus shit due to advancing technology has basically made it so all new games are shit. Old Fallouts were made using very limited graphical and voice assets while the new ones shit them all over the place but the writing conversely suffers.
People want shiny things! People like music and voices and shit! Reading is for faggots.
How much would the writing improve if they did away with voice acting for everyone and their mother?
>>319268612
>10 luck 10 agi jinxed unarmed build
>mfw highish level, got the enclave armor and all that shit
>pack of wolves random encounter
>mfw waiting thirty years for all the wolves to do their shit so I can kill them/run away
>>319274698
Yeah, a lot of the silly stuff in 2 was really bad at times.
>>319276162
Play 12000000 more hours and report back.
>He doesnt run max luck
>>319268612
>>95% chance to hit = Most likely
>>85% chance to hit = Eh, maybe
>>75% chance to hit = 99 out of 100 shots miss
That's how I felt about Xcom.
>>319277736
Why do people play on normal game combat speed again?
>>319268612
Sssshhh dont point out the myriad of flaws in fallout 2 or /v/ will get mad. It wasn't "Memes: the game" and boring as fuck for the first few hours.
It's no worst than Fallout 4
>95% chance to hit
>Literally see the projectile make contact with the target
>Still registers as a miss
>>319275046
>he didn't tag Unarmed
>>319268893
>99%
Bait
>>319268612
This is why turn base is garbage.
>>319277950
As if playing on top speed makes a difference when 40 wolves or civilians all have to move their random squares.
>>319268612
You guys keep forgetting armor class is subtracted from your hit chance.
If you have 95% hit chance against an enemy with 30 AC the actual hit chance is 65%.
That's why aiming for eyes and groin is so powerful. You have a good chance to bypass armor.
Learn2Fallout.
>>319278040
> "But muh fallout 2 roleplay"
> "Fallout 3 doesn't let you play how you want"
> "Playing 2 without unarmed, what a scrub"
>>319278146
Sorry Anon, I'm just giving a tip how to have the most fun with Fallout 2
>>319268772
>meanwhile thin man from 150 yards away manages to get a crit with a pistol
>>319277950
I play on highest speed
>>319274698
>games that reference anything are automatically bad
>>319278079
What fucking mods do you play to get random encounters of that size?
>>319278146
God damn that's some fucking deflection right there. There's literally nothing stopping you from not tagging unarmed
You can LITERALLY run past almost all of the ants very easily and talk the guy out of fighting
>>319278329
Start any fight in new reno, start a big street fight with metzeger, especially if you bring that rival gang into it, the wolves against the brahmin fight.
>>319278146
more like
> spending all of your points on everything but melee skills
> bitching about the first part of the game where you don't have any guns
>>319278330
But what about the rat caves, or gecko mines, or scorpion fight. If you haven't tagged unarmed or melee the start of the game is painful. I'm doing an energy weapon run right now and well aware that it'll be at least vault city before the game is fun.
>>319278424
Let me talk my way out of rat and ant fights then, it wouldnt be out of place for a game where you chat to king rats and scorpions.
>>319278505
>But what about the rat caves, or gecko mines, or scorpion fight
You can immediately get a pipe rifle and there's a 10mm pistol in the rat cave. Hell, you can probably get it earlier just by random encounters around Klamath. Plus you can effortlessly steal a shit ton of ammo from trappers
Big Guns and Energy are admittedly shit until mid-game but small guns requires nothing more than passing the temple of trials, which only a complete retard would be unable to do
>>319278505
Sneak into Navarro and get some stuff there first, alot of energy weapons there, including adv. power armor.
>>319278505
>>319278424
There's guns in the first town you go to
>>319278276
>75 base aim on Classic, 10 base crit
>light plasma rifle gives additional 10 aim, 10 crit
>even in full cover they have a 55% chance to hit you
>their leap ability can give them as easy +20 aim by taking the higher ground
>hunkering down against this bullshit will make them spit a lingering poison cloud all over your troops
>each turn your soldier takes poison damage, they roll for panic, and if they do you are guaranteed fucked
fuck thin men
>>319268893
I had 100% Chance to hit a Muton.
It missed.
Thats when i knew that the game either seeded the rolls at the start of scenario or would just fuck you up for its own fun. I also stopped playing.
>>319268772
>Line up a perfectly fine shot
>Miss
>Have one guy use Overwatch on an enemy
>He shoots straight through a wall and kills him
>>319278843
I mean 45% chance to hit you, fuck me
>>319278683
This is far from my first run, ive played the first 3 fallouts about 3 times each through. Sneaking to navarro is game breaking, so not much point doing it more than once.
>>319275456
>not grinding for maximum XP
>>319278884
>hats when i knew that the game either seeded the rolls at the start of scenario
It tells you at the options. Stop being a fucking illiterate retard.
>tfw after untold suffering i get the Advanced Power Armor
>>319279012
And then you get the utterly meaningless APA mk2 right before the game ends and it isn't really much better than the APA mk1..
>>319277668
New Vegas would have had more low int dialogue for one. Some of it is still in the game as a nod to it, but they had to cut it because when they recorded it it came off as condescending.
And they couldn't just cut voice acting instead, that would've caused a shitstorm.
>>319268612
>1/20 chance to miss - most likely
>1.5/10 chance to miss - eh, maybe
>1/4 chance to miss - high chance to miss
I don't see the problem
you probably picked jinxed, otherwise you wouldn't complain so much about missing
>>319276034
>Battle tower
>Enemy's thunder hits, crits, and paralyzes
>>319278949
I suppose you're right, i've only played through FO2 once, gotta get started on FO1 pretty soon.
>>319279215
jinxed is amazing though
makes everyone look like incompetent idiots
>>319268612
I remain convinced that the hit chances in Fallout 1/2 lie to you. I miss 95% chance shots like 20% of the time
>>319279751
can't argue about that
wish the 3D fallouts kept it. New Vegas' implementation was lame, everybody just hit the floor from time to time
>>319279913
jinxed was in NV?
>>319268772
>Your turn
>99% chance to hit, will one-shot
>miss
>enemy turn
>1% chance to hit
>CRIT
>>319279798
Maybe it only shows the hit chance based on your skill and environmental factors (distance, lightning etc.). I mean why would you know the enemy's AC or other crap on their end?
>>319280046
oh wait, it was one of my mods
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/35581/?
>>319280182
There's a perk to know a lot about the enemies, what they're carrying etc. That doesn't rectify the hit chance.
>>319280247
You only see their gun, ammo status and health. AC is derived from armor, agility, unused AP and perks.
>>319279798
It's the RNG being shit and not random enough. Diablo 2 had the same problem.
I will leave this here
>>319281379
The best FFT game? What about it?
>>319274698
It's a meme game
But what a great meme game it is
>>319275035
Except retards forget that people hated Borderlands 2 because of its writing and completely broken gameplay that fucked up everything that the original game got right in conjunction, not just because of its writing.
>>319279318
>Nuzlocking Platinum because
>Trainer south of Veilstone
>Goldeen
Eh, it's just a goldeen, free exp for my bronzong.
>Horn Drill
>Hits
>>319268612
>Fallout 2
I just can't stand a game that relies on a RNG for its combat.
It's less fun and more frustrating. Even if you set up your character to be as strong as possible you can still be killed in one unlucky hit.
>>319282505
Psh ... nothing personnel ... kid ...
>>319276745
he broke down
>all the things i've done in the name of progress... it was madness
he wasn't evil
>>319274698
the best parts were the lore talks, like the president and the master. they were great
>95% Chance of hit as a melee character
>Critical miss and break your fucking arm
>>319282505
Are those guards armed with automatic shotguns?
The thing that really annoyed me the most of Fallout 2 was how lazy it was.
It recycled everything it could from Fallout 1, even where they didn't make sense. All of the flavor text for world items was either taken straight from 1 or was simply non-existent, they added a bunch on new weapons but no new sprites.
The worst of all was that the new sprites they did add were rendered at a much higher frame rate then the older assets. It makes the game feel like it's jumping between 60fps and 5fps constantly.
>>319280864
They need to implement a monte carlo RNG in their games.
>>319283334
I don't know why games don't do this by default. I know for a fact that Wesnoth's RNG isn't random enough and tends to roll lower, and yet the devs refuse to do anything about it despite it being trivial to replace.
>2016
>still no Fallout 1 graphical overhaul remake 3D HD special 20 year anniversarry edition.
why even exist
>F2 HUD in F1
Is there a mod for this? Is it possible?
Don't get me wrong, F1 HUD is alright, but I like how sleek F2 HUD looks
>>319283574
They're already doing that with a FO:NV mod I think. It would be sweet if they do that with an FO4 mod though. Too bad Bethesda hasn't released the GECK yet
>>319277668
>limited graphics.
>limited voice assets.
>fallout 1 and 2.
>>319283306
Assault rifles.
>have a good time get most hits in according to the percentage
>don't hit in a critical moment
>fuck this bullshit why do I never hit
>>319283574
>3D HD
I'd prefer FO:Tactics quality isometric style.
>Wargame
>MiG-25PD (1979) accuracy: 40%
>Elite training bonus: 160%
>practical accuracy: 62%
>Damage: 8
>Cost: 100
>Su-27PU (1996) accuracy: 60%
>Untrained Rookie bonus: nothing
>practical accuracy: 60%
>Damage: 5
>Cost: 180
>>319276162
Are you saying the random number generator in this game is broken?
You realize how retarded you sound?
>>319286040
The Sukhois were my favorite when I was a child.
>want to play FO2 after FO1
>try to go into another playing style that I'm used with a sneaky thief
>that fucking tutorial level
>can't still shit in the first town
>try to make another character to what I'm used to
>that fucking tutorial level
I need to get a mod that lets me skip the tutorial.
>>319286140
>You realize how retarded you sound?
Not him, but there's loads of algorithms that give you a random number, some of them are inefficient/inconsistent af.
>>319275593
This. Hard West is criminally underrated. The luck system is great for "accuracy by volume" systems. You could predict and play around it which was fan-fucking-tastic compared to XCOM's shoot 6 times with 30%
