Looking back, this made me realise. Undertale is exactly this sort of game. And guess what? Faggots with no emotional skill to learn to let go were the ones who couldn't complete all routes
>>319237216
What he's asking for is a game that challenges emotional strength. That's what he meant when he said "emotional skill". Obviously, it's kind of hard to make a game tailored to emotional strength as opposed to physical dexterity, but he's not wrong in that skill isn't the only type of thing a person can grow/become better at.
>emotional skill
>>319237216
Poker is an emotional skill game.
Undertale is a "don't kill anything or else you're bad" straightjacket.
Why did you feel the need to censor the names?
Do you think people shouldn't be responsible for the things they say?
>>319237740
If you don't know who said it then you can't dismiss/accept their argument based upon their identity.
>>319237216
so basically, girl games?
>the sims
>ms. pac-man
>team fortress 2
there. games made for girls. enjoy your shit.
>>319237216
Just watch a fucking movie. Or read a book.
I don't mind video games having stories at all, but the actual game should still come first.
>>319237216
There's plenty of emotional skill games.
Hit up the h-game general on /vg/.
>Censored the names
I get you want your thread to not turn to shit but that's not the way to go about it.
How the fuck does one even measure emotional skill?
>>319237740
You get banned on 4chan for posting facebook things with their names un-obscured. I'd posted this one image in rage threads for years, and one time I got a 7 day ban or something for it because "you will not post personal information".
>>319237704
But it literally rewards you for doing genocide? You're retarded.
>>319237740
4chan made it clear a year ago that posting things that people publicly said is "doxxing."
Or maybe that only applied to gamergate like how Twitter has special rules for gamergate people.
>>319237740
No need for a witch hunt. And besides, this tweet is over a year old.
>Block out names
>Still leave the name in the Reply section alone
>Undertale is exactly this sort of game.
Not in the slightest. Undertale is like borderline shmup with how you have to weave and dodge attacks if you go pacifist route. Straight up shmup during one boss fight even
>>319237897
That would mean something if it wasn't for the fact that games are capable to telling stories, regardless of gameplay, in ways that are impossible in other mediums. Literally the only problem with that is that the term used for the medium is "games" when not all of them are or strive to be or should be.
this is too much
>>319237216
does this guy know that context is a thing?
when someone is talking about reflex, they're obviously talking about a reaction skill game
he's THAT guy who brings up dumb shit in conversations to make himself look superior
>>319237919
Look at the fucking date anon.
>>319237216
>mfw the people that say this kind of shit are terrible at strategy and puzzle games that aren't portal tier easy, as well
>>319238160
>shmup
Stop comparing your WarioWare shit to good games.
But undertale's gameplay requires a lot of reflex. In fact, you WILL get your shit wrecked several times on genocide route even if you're good.
>>319238160
genocide route bosses take some serious skill too
>>319238026
Have you actually played Genocide?
>>319238342
How exactly is it "Warioware"?
>>319238325
I'm terrible at strategy and puzzle games and I still beat Bayonetta. It's not a matter of skill it's just a matter of caring enough to mash your face into something until you can get by.
>>319237673
>>319237216
So what, playing spec ops: the line?
>>319238206
Yes we've all seen the post before. Doesn't mean shit flinging doesn't start at the mere mention of their names.
>>319237216
>it's the year of our lord 1871+144 ad
>people are still falling for Undertale bait threads
>>319238342
anon if you look up almost any footage of a battle you'll see what I'm trying to talk about.
>>319238416
I've heard as much but I'm the kinda faggot that usually goes full moralfag when a game gives me the option anyway so I never really went on that route.
>>319237852
What if we disagree with the argument based on its own merits, and just want the opportunity to tell that person that their argument is stupid?
>>319238160
>shmup
>you don't even shoot anything up
>>319238423
It finally gives a decent moment of gameplay. I count it as a reward.
>>319238026
except it doesn't
It even makes you unable to get the perfect ending if you did genocide first
>>319238469
Skill in this case literally refers to mechanical ability. How well you do it is the measure of your skill at it.
>This game isn't punishing enough. Even though I'm slower at completing it, I completed it. Therefore it's not skill.
>>319238535
I'm the first reply. I can't think of any examples. Games don't have real, lasting investment, so it's borderline impossible to make a game that require emotional strength to complete. It's kind of hard to even deal with emotional strength outside of actual, real-life problems.
>>319238585
>the year of our lord ad
>>319238614
He meant bullet hell, I suppose.
>>319238325
>portal tier easy
Explains why girls love portal. Literally reddit the video game
>>319238614
>You don't even shoot anything up.
I assume you haven't seen the fight with Mettaton Ex at all.
>>319237886
>bottom left
>>319237886
So girls like comfy games where is hard or imposible to lose?
That isn't so bad
>>319238780
>>319238820
https://medium.com/@adrianchm/women-and-video-games-f0eb7a7d75fa
>>319238395
So like, sticking with a game and practicing and practicing until you get good at it no matter how much mockery you receive or disappointment you feel? That'd be pretty emotionally strong.
>>319238759
>bullet hell
>its even sissier then real bullet hell
>>319238604
1. Who cares about what you want?
2. You can type a quote piece of text into Google and almost always find out who wrote something.
>Ableist
SJW detected.
>I AM TRIGGERED BY VIDEO GAMES WHERE YOU DO THINGS. THE TRUE VALUE OF A THING IS NOT WHAT IT DOES, BUT RATHER HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
^Millennial Postmodernism in a nutshell.
Part of me wishes this game never got popular so I can have a legitimate discussion of this game on /v/ without all this bullshit going on.
>>319238614
Play the game.
>>319237673
Being able to take emotional things happening in a media isn't a skill, nor is it something that can be readily practiced. Emotion in games is a good thing of course, but basing your entire game off how much you can shock or make someone feel bad is exactly how we ended up with Spec Ops. In other words you can make a good emotional game without it being the central point being driven into you.
Also plenty of other games have different measures of skill such as platforming, memorization (puzzles), and strategy.
>Undertale is exactly this sort of game.
>bullet hell is not reflex-based
i've read some dumb shit today
>>319238469
bayo isn't that hard, boyo. go play NG black on master ninja then come back and say all you have to do is mash buttons, faggot.
>>319238907
I'm pretty confident that Underfags don't play games, and the number of them that like Lisa's OST makes me skeptical that they listen to music either.
>>319238897
>>319239114
I agree, I was just pointing out what they meant because people so easily look at bad wording and make fun of that instead of thinking about why a person thinks the way they do. I don't know any way to develop a game around emotional strength, since it's kind of hard to deal with it outside of real life because games inherently have less of an investment.
>>319238907
I'm not him, and I've only played Touhou, if that counts.
>>319239006
I agree with you, but there's really nothing wrong with valuing something for emotional reasons. That type of thing can have a functional purpose in the long run.
>>319239171
I'm pretty certain that everyone on /v/ doesn't play videogames at all.
>>319238014
But you could very, very easily just go Google this publicly posted text and find who posted it. Twitter accounts aren't "personal information".
Fuck the OP. Post the most emotional RPG in history. I want a story where you get attached to the characters and their losses/victories. Something I cant blow through in a day either.
>>319238808
>the best soldier in history is a woman
Typical sjw propaganda
>>319239089
No. Keep shilling tho.
>>319237704
Neutral endings don't call you bad, it's only the systematic extermination of monsters that leads to bad times.
>>319238970
>1. Who cares about what you want?
You want video games to somehow measure your emotions. Who cares what you want? Apparently not enough people to budget a game like that.
>>319238970
>2. You can type a quote piece of text into Google and almost always find out who wrote something.See, I don't need to do that, because you forgot to censor the name in the reply bar. She really is a morbidly obese feminist SJW
>>319239378
Final FantasyVI_
>>319238614
Oddly enough the shooting isn't the focus of shmups. They're all about dodging enemy shot patterns for the most part. Enemies don't typically have much health and you never need to stop shooting. Dodge long enough and you'll win 100% of the time.
>>319238354
This.
Betting OP hasn't even played the damn game.
>>319237216
>emotional skill
>>319237216
but you need reflexes to beat the hardest run
>>319239589
Two things I learned from watching schmups briefly.
The hitbox on your character is tiny, much smaller than the sprite. You focus on where your character is, not where the boss is.
>>319239721
>not reading the thread
>>319239589
>shot patterns
Do you not know of the rift between Classic Shrump and Bullet Hell?
>>319237216
One could argue that Souls games require emotional strength, just like poker would. The game is literally designed around making the player react to things so that they make more and more mistakes.
> Get hit with an arrow
> Go over to beat the shit out of the archer
> Get jumped by enemies
> Try to deal with it
> Trap triggers
If you take it calm and cool after the first step and don't rush it and get angry, that takes some amount of skill.
>>319238081
Found the pics OP.
>>319239378
The only RPG that ever got me attached was FF6 and 7 because I played them when I was young
>>319239428
I'm not the OP, you mongoloid.
This is why you don't need the identity behind an argument. Just the pretense of you thinking you know the identity of the person has you wasting your effort intimating incorrect information.
>abelist
>>319239829
I'm not talking about the big geometric shit like touhou spell cards that are pretty much identical every time you play, I'm talking about shit like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3wWdB-yM3M
>>319239817
The thread didn't actually provide a good rebuttal or example, though.
>>319239346
I'm not the one who made the rule, it just exists, so that's why people obscure the names. It's 4chans rule.
>>319237216
Wow is the term "ablest" really a thing? Like, REALLY? I was anyways under the impression that it's just a "hey, we'll throw a skull barrier in your way while understanding that it takes some people longer to understand than others. If you really want it, you'll just learn to deal with it and be playing with the best of them eventually", not some "I CAN'T GET IT INSTANTLY! THIS GAME IS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST MEEEEE" type thing.
So is "ableist" really a thing or is it just people complaining that they can't do it without effort?
>>319238715
No it doesn't, it adds a bonus after the end you doofus.
>>319239829
Considering he doesn't understand the importance of "shooting" in shmups, I'm guessing he's never really played them.
This is one of the oldest genres of video games and /v/ doesn't know them.
>>319237216
But what if I don't have any emotional skills? How are you going to cater to me, you ableist motherfucker?
More to the point, what if games aren't implicit judgments of your validity as a person, but might instead be structured challenges which demand skill as a matter of being engaging?
I want to see this ultraprogressive culture that tumblr envisions. I want tumblr to write a Republic.
>>319238715
That's why you do the pacifist route before doing the genocide route, therefore leaving you with no reason to replay the game.
>>319240075
Because twitter is always public while facebook posts are usually friends only.
>>319239963
you faggotry is showing a bit on your shirt.
>>319239963
yuupp totally not a fat feminist sjw guys.... pay no attention to the person behind the curtain....
>>319240037
And you posted a bullet hell game..?
Thats not what people think of when you say shmup. Hopefully not at least.
>>319240091
Ableism is supposed to be the inherent exclusion of the disabled, such as kitchen counters not being easily accessible from a wheelchair.
These people are just using excuses. It's like being mad at Magnum because a person with MG can't shoot a Desert Eagle.
>>319240041
>>319239216
>I agree, I was just pointing out what they meant because people so easily look at bad wording and make fun of that instead of thinking about why a person thinks the way they do.
Never claimed it did, guy.
>>319240413
All bullet hells are shmups, but not all shmups are bullet hells.
You have yet to post anything at all, Jamal-kun.
>>319237216
Who even wants emotional skill games?
Clearly the core audience doesn't and the most sjw appear to lack emotional stability.
>>319240309
Okay.
>>319240331
anyone proud of living in san fran is not worth talking to
>>319238395
you faggots cannot be serious right? How the fuck can "emotional skill" make any sort of fucking sense? It's so fucking gay.
This thread is your daily reminder that /v/ is now full of kids born in the later 90s.
as someone who got called a misogynist when i confronted an ex-girlfriend about camwhoring, I actually don't want anything to do with gaming anymore. This has to be parody.
>>319240331
>bear-connoisseur
>immune to gamergate
>she/her
>boss monster of gaymerx
wut?
>Create an "emotional skill" game to appease the SJWs
>Final boss
>Your mission: try to remain calm while somebody uses facts and science to debunk your twisted world view. If you are triggered, you lose.
>Somebody sues the studio for emotional rape.
>>319240853
All I know is that /v/ is full of hipsters for the most part.
Whenever they like something, they immediately disown it the exact moment everyone else finds out about it.
>>319240853
As I pointed out before, poker is an emotional skill game. Being able to get inside of the head of the other players is a large part of being successful.
>>319240528
Ah, but video games like that do inherently exclude disabled people if such people can't actually participate! Movies, by this logic, are also ableist because blind people can't enjoy them very well.
The question lies with "is it admissable for some people to be excluded from such things?" and of course the answer is yes. Not everything needs to be for everyone.
>>319237216
See, the issue with emotional skill is that EMOTION is a kinda complex thing in games that is hard to program compared to motor-skills.
Also, these gamers are the ones who will do exactly what Undertale says not to do and will restart the game any number of times to get the ending they want for their self-insert.
Have them play as a bad person who they cant control during cutscenes to test their emotional endurance, lets try that
>>319238164
To be frank, gameplay SHOULD come first. It is a game after all. That doesn't mean that story should be shit at the expense of gameplay, just that if you're playing a game for the story and the gameplay is awful, why NOT just watch a movie. The point is that they're interactive.
>>319240331
>my pronouns are she/her but I HAVE NO GENDER
that's not how it works you daft cunt
>>319241157
But anon, if the story is good, then it is automatically tumblr tier trash.
>>319237673
So...horror games? That's only type of game that would be testing how strong your emotions are. But then again some people aren't scared easily so I don't think it's entirely that. I'm honestly unsure how one would test emotional strength in a game because, well, it's a game. You know that in the end it won't affect you so your emotions are detached and there's no real consequences on your actions aside from having to maybe restart at a checkpoint.
>>319241353
Maybe we need to start playing games with real people's lives :)
I find it hilarious that the most thin-skinned people in the world want games that test how emotionally strong they are
>>319241106
For single player games the hurdle of "emotional skill" is indeed the fidelity of the representation.
This would apply to live-action shit such as Her Story, or slightly abstracted shit such as L.A. Noire, where the range of the actor at conveying emotion dictates the playing field.
How much "emotional" skill rather than raw pattern detection is involved depends on the fidelity of the representation.
>>319238896
>appeal to women by making good games
>90% of LoL players are male.
So I guess this is true?
>emotional skill
if you pulled the trigger you failed
>>319241525
Probably because they think of themselves as strong for "bravely standing up to the bigoted shitlords and their racist patriarchy".
>>319237216
>>And guess what? Faggots with no emotional skill to learn to let go were the ones who couldn't complete all routes
>normies and real gamers don't give a fuck about getting all the endings
>they wouldn't play it like they play CoD, where killing everyone is the only way
Can you stop making these threads?
Wouldn't you be happier pretending these people don't exist?
>>319241525
The "skill" isn't in being stoic. It's in being able to understand the emotions of others and to make decisions based upon this understanding.
>>319241729
Bu-but, /v/ needs 50 daily threads of complaining about Tumblr and Undertale.
>>319241729
>ignoring stupid opinions will make them go away
So then why are you here?
>>319241769
That's not what emotional strength is, though. That's empathy.
>>319237216
>people begin speedcrying heavy rain
>>319237216
Wasn't this game already made?
>pic related
>>319242246
>Camera that tracks how many facial contractions per minute you make
>... Undertale
Literally stopped reading there
>>319241508
>>319242170
Now you know what they (claim to) want.
Though I think we both know they just want morality plays that pander to them.
However, what they claim to want is gameplay built around your ability to understand emotional states. Not around being stoic.
Feminists hate stoicism. They want to destroy it. I'm not exaggerating.
>>319242393
Keep in mind, these retards also don't know that Peach got her own game where she saves Mario, let alone the game mechanics.
I couldn't complete all routes. I couldn't even complete one because I got bored halfway in, shitty tumbler game
>>319237704
>Undertale is a "don't kill anything or else you're bad" straightjacket.
Holy fuck could you make it any more obvious you haven't played the game?
>>319237216
This.
Entire.
Thread.
>>319243310
Tumblr can't resist.
>>319243734
I remember when "emotional skill" thing was first posted and it was a joke.
>>319241050
Yeah, it's almost like there are different games for different audiences. It's not like anyone complains that there aren't more cops with wheelchairs.
Why do you faggots always censor everything
>>319245248
Not quite sure if you're agreeing with me. True either way.
>>319246950
Yes I agree with you, dumbass.
>>319238907
A bullet heck
![1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2yFxTdr.jpg "1[1].jpg")