What went wrong?
The game is pretty good. The only thing I don't like is that everyone looks the god damn same.
>>318800156
so what, you want a gaia where everyone try to out edge each other?
>>318799745
it came out and the game mechanics were broken af,only a few builds viable. Any constructive criticism has been roundly ignored by the devs.
>>318800397
Not necessarily but I've seen myself/lookalike probably 1000 times now. Not talking about micro transaction cosmetic shit. But like more hair styles when creating the character, armor remodeling in game with other pieces of armor, just more variety so it's not like wow you look exactly like me but you are 2 armor sets behind me I don't feel so special now for being a higher lvl.
>>318799745
Got better with koreans new update
I'm playing the beta and will play release but it's a textbook themepark game with main story quests and side quests. You go to a map, do 10 quests which 90% are fetch/kill mobs/mini boss quests and move on to the next map. Grinding doesn't exist because it's much more effective to do quests and use exp cards, there like two high mob density maps in the whole game.
Also this
>>318800904
Balance is kind of fucked up in the closed beta and the devs only listen to koreans. The whole international closed beta was just a stress test with things that were broken for weeks like party creation.
It's not Alfheim Online
Shit compared to RO. Shit servers. BRs. Tons of classes, but only a handful of them have skills that make them actually distinct. All enemies are basically the same. Bullet sponge bosses.
tl;dr: shit sux
>>318799745
>additive damage formulas
LOL
>>318800917
I don't want to sound like those muh RO fags but I like that every class uses the same costume. At rank 10 you will have like 6 different costumes to choose from and you will be able to get different hair styles/colors and hats.
Most importantly I'm hoping devs add color palettes like RO but probably not from release.
It's exactly what you'd expect from a 2015 "spiritual successor".
>>318799745
Remember when people were hyping the shit out of this as the savior of MMORPGs? People thought a Korean MMO spiritual successor to the game that arguably ruined MMORPGs in the first place would be the savior of MMORPGs.
>>318800917
I think they should add different look for every tier of each class, like adding to paladin outfit more armor or some shitsure it would take more work and some of tiers wont be used, but with this gooks will learn to balance their shit
>>318802470
>Ragnarok
>ruined MMORPGs
That's the first time that I hear such a wildly insane statement
>>318802470
>to the game that arguably ruined MMORPGs
That's not WoW
>>318802242
>tfw i have never played RO but ROBF
>tfw i know this dungeon
>>318799745
>linear as fuck
>quests, QUESTS, Q U E S T S
>when you finally actually have to grind, the maps you have to grind are terrible and overpopulated because of the linear nature of the game and the TERRIBLE MONSTER SPAWN NUMBERS HOLY SHIT
>plot is "you are the chosen one", literally everyone is a chosen one, fuck immersion
>instances are literally obligatory if you want to progress at a moderate pace, extremely superior to everything else
>they also have some insane drops, which makes it necessary and good to run a lot of them per day, making the game a fucking instance shitfest at endgame
Just end this game already
>>318802623
Was Ragnarok your first MMO?
>>318803859
No it wasn't, and I don't see how that would be relevant if you had a single point to try and argue your retarded theory.
>>318803859
Ragnarok did what it could to save MMOs, but WoW had to ruin them even further.
>>318799745
It's korean.
All korean games end up being shit.
>>318803835
Actually the plot is that you're among a legion of chosen ones and just the only one that gets shit done.
>>318799745
It took everything that made RO good and threw it away to be another shitty theme park that will be forgotten mere months after launch.
>>318804491
I know, I wasn't talking literally.
It's still the same, my point was
>you are the only one that gets shit done
>everyone is the only one that gets shit done
>>318804491
No, although that's a common misunderstanding. During one the Revelations Laima tells you she appeared in the dreams of lots of people (thus resulting in many Revelators) in order to help hide you, who is the TRUE CHOSEN ONE OOOOH, from the Demon Lords that would be after the pieces of her soul.
Not that it helps, it's just a shitty attempt at justifying why there's tons of other Revelators running around and doing shit. At the end of the day you know they're all hearing the same shit from Laima. Yeah, like >>318804715
>>318802242
This is a great comparison. Tree of Saviour has you do nothing but walk in straight lines and sometimes backtrack on your way to the next quest marker. RO's dungeons were massive maze-like locations that were full of detail not to serve any particular purpose, but because they wanted to make the locations interesting.
>>318804803
>>318804715
Don't you remember what hauberk told you?Don't trust them.
>>318805007
Looking back, RO was the original hat simulator
>all the classy ladies had angel wings that you know their beta e-bfs bought them
>that one assassin going for a bad boy look with the dark brown wings even though they give a shitty stat
>people sitting around in towns/clusters just chatting, mirin each other's hats
>sometimes you run into another character with the same job and same hat, like running into someone with your own name
>some rich ass blacksmith strolls through showing off his wealth in hats
It's a themepark and the gameplay is slow.
Both of those things can be fixed, but I really doubt it will happen.
>>318803835
This. It's linear as hell. The whole game is practically a straight line that you walk back and forth to do quests on. There really aren't any open areas to speak of, just corridors, corridors and more corridors.
The gameplay mechanics are also not particularly interesting.
>>318804850
>RO's dungeons were massive maze-like locations that were full of detail not to serve any particular purpose, but because they wanted to make the locations interesting.
To this day I still don't know how they did it.
Most maps have literally nothing to do except kill monsters, everything else was just eyecandy, yet I can remember almost every detail of all those maps and how much I loved them.
Which is even more suprising today taking into account that IMC tried to make something as good as that and failed so fantastically hard that it's obvious they have no idea how to do shit and that RO was just a beautiful accident.
>>318799745
Not the music, for a start.
Just a reminder that Zinnia is starting a RO server
If this server doesn't success, Ragnarok is confirmed dead.
>>318802242
>Glast Heim
Mah Nikkuh
>>318803835
sounds like exactly every single MMORPG out there
>>318802242
>comparing an end game dungeon to a lvl 40 one
That being said, I agree. Most maps in ToS are forgettable, just islands connected to each other.
I don't remember much about RO but I still remember this fucker fucker always wrecked me in some forest.
>>318803835
That's modern day MMOs
A modern day ragnarok would fail for not being linear enough.
>>318806040
Thanks for the heads up. Seems interesting enough.
>>318802470
Are you fucking retarded?
Yeaaaaah
>>318806491
I think there was one always floating around a payon forest...That's how I got my katar of piercing wind.
>>318806356
How is Glast Heim "end game"? You could level there from level 40.
>>318806492
>>318806091
It's no different from the average MMO today, yeah, but the formula has been done better elsewhere. You have much better options out there if you want to play this kind of game.
It's not even that this game is the same as everything else out there, it's that it's does all the same things in a worse way.
>>318806730
It was end game before the episodes came out. So basically up until Juno came out (2-2 classes)
>>318805534
It won't be fixed. Hundreds of bugs were reported during the previous beta and IMC haven't fixed shit. When they won't even fix basic bugs there's no hope of them overhauling the game to fix what's wrong with it at the core.
>>318806927
No it wasn't. You could go there and Heal-bomb Ghouls from as soon as level 30 if you wanted from the second it was put in the game. Just because you sucked and got wrecked doing it doesn't mean it's "end game"
The closest RO has to and "end game" is getting max level and then hunting MvPs and doing PvP. No leveling zones are "end game"
>>318807104
>No leveling zones are "end game"
Biolabs 3.
>>318801343
After some point you kinda NEED to grind to do the higher level quests.
Like, level 45-50
>>318806730
>You could level there from level 40.
That's just how RO worked. You could level in areas where if you fucked you would die in one or two hits and going afk was suicide.
The greater the risk, the greater the reward.
>>318802470
>RO
>Ruined MMOs
Holy shit how wrong can you be
It was one of the most non-casual MMOs at the time
>>318806091
>>318806492
RO itself was in fact the game that popularized this format in the west.
>you will never have a qt 3.14 goddess gf
>>318807237
Again, you could go there to Fly Wing around and grind with instant kills on the mobs you had the elemental advantage upon as soon as level 60. Jesus Christ you must've been a fucking scrub when you played.
>>318806728
What's the strongest enemy in RO?
Level doesn't seem to mean shit since there's a bunch of 160 level mobs with HP that ranges from 150k to 7 million.
>>318807104
>You could go there and Heal-bomb Ghouls from as soon as level 30 if you wanted from the second it was put in the game.
Yes and you could pretty much stay there until you hit the level cap.
>>318807679pori pori
>>318802242
to be fair, nothing else in RO later on ever surpassed GH.
>>318807446
>The greater the risk, the greater the reward.
Pretty much what I liked about RO
>tfw taking my Magnus build with Safety Wall into Niflheim and mobbing everything and hoping the Bloody Murderers wouldn't kill me
>>318807679
He will fuck your shit up.
>>318807529
And it was the best place to go grind to 99 for a long time hence why the anon called it end game. No need to get mad and call everyone scrub and show us how great you were.
>>318807679
Depend on your group comp, so you can't say there's a single strongest mob
Strongest ones would be Bio3/4 MvP spawns, Satan Morroc (>>318808059), Valkyrie Randgris, Ifrit, Entweihen Crothen
Few other contenders like Naght Sieger or Nidhogg but I don't think they're really up there, you can solo everything on RO if you're sufficiently geared so I just listed the ones that are harder to solo
>>318807525
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR
The dev team really really REALLY hates bokors.
Up until a little over a week ago, fucking everything but the zombie train was broken (and even the defense attribute on that was broken).
And no, they didn't fix the bugs. They added more. They made zombie train worthless as well. The one fucking thing it had going for it, and it wasn't even allowed to have that. Literally everything is broken. Anyone who went Bokor is now pretty much dead in the water.
The problem is that IMC is completely incompetent and cannot code worth a damn.
The game is just an example of what you don't do.
Do we want to talk about blocking poison damage by hiding in a box
or how every single move in the game is classified as either a buff or an attack, leading to some awful shit
or how they didn't prevent you from using swashbuckling with non-accepted weapons, leading to an exception that crashes the game.
This isn't beta shit
hell this could barely be considered alpha shit
This is god damned first year college student shit
It is fucking pathetic
>>318808203
You seem to know your shit, Anon.
Please answer me this, is it worth it to go for an Axe Mechanic (interested in MVPing and maybe some PvP/ no WoE)? Reading very mixed opinions about it.
>>318808508
>killing the enemy that applied a Bleed on you will cause the Bleed damage to be calculated off your own attack
>Bleed obliterates myself
>>318808596
>is it worth to go for [renewal thing]
no
>>318807271
>45-50
>high
Nigga the game goes to 600. The beta even goes to 200.
The fuck are you smoking?
Besides the REAL grind zones are 120-130 and 150-165. Shift it around a bit depending on how smart/stupid you are with cards and where you feel using them is most necessary based on your class and preference.
>>318802242
It hurts
>>318807271
You fucked up somewhere, maybe missed a map or something. You don't have to grind until lvl 140.
>>318807271
The character level system was fucked up for retarded reasons.
Despite the fact that it's seperate from class level (which will naturally get hard when approaching 15, because duh), the devs felt the need for you to reach bizarre humps in exp requirements to level... which don't even sync up with class level all that well.
>>318808508
My favorite is catar stroke literally crashing channels because it does too much damage calculation at once with enough buffs.
>>318808674
literally everything is an attack or a buff
This means the only weakness brbarians and cors have is bleed because they will crit themselves to death
But hey, they have skills that work and don't get killed as badly by the lack of scaling in the game
>>318808942
Channel Crasher is such a great skill
I love forcing people to switch channels because I broke their character by instantly killing them with possession
or making the game unwatchable by using OOB because of the hilarious particle bug it has.
If I was an employer and saw that the person had worked at IMC they would never be hired
>>318808895
I thought the hump itself was a pretty nice idea, it just needs to be more lined up with class changes
>>318808596
Axe Mechanic is pretty terrible. And trust me on this, because I do have a level 150 MvP Mechanic. They're basically a shitter MvP Royal Guard, since you do the same stuff a Royal Guard does, only worse.
That said if you don't care and still want to stick to Mechanic because they're cooler than faggy ass chicken-riding pussies, well then go for it. Just be warned: don't overlook the giant robot skills just because you want to be an MvP Mech. On some situations using Arm Cannon and Knuckle Boost is MUCH, MUCH stronger than HSCR.
That's because 1) Arm Cannon applies elemental damage twice, basically doubling it's damage on anything weak to Holy, Shadow or Ghost. If you have bragi support then you're suddenly on par with Geneticists.
and 2) Knuckle Boost can't miss, so even though it's slower than HSCR (hits a bit harder tho) it's your only option for Agi Up MvPs since you ain't hitting those with HSCR
Plus when Verus Mech gear comes along HSCR will basically be abandoned because holy shit see pic
>>318808508
>"Welp, we fucked up somewhere and now the bullet phases on bosses are crashing everyone's clients"
>"What should we do? What change did we make that caused this?"
>"Hell if I know, just remove the bullet phase. No way could not addressing the source of the problem possibly come back and bite us in the ass, later"
>>318808508
>This isn't beta shit
>hell this could barely be considered alpha shit
I just want to say your concept of an alpha and beta is all wrong.
>>318801731
Eurofag here, what's up with all those fucking amazon monkeys?
>>318809206
It's not nice when you've done everything there is to do with one map, and you're underleveled for the next.
And then you get over that hump and suddenly you're gaining levels like crazy.
>>318809341
Oh no you've got it hilariously backward
They removed the bullet hell phase originally in kcbt because it sucked ass, lagged people to shit, and just made bosses easy as fuck to kill because they'd stand around nothing at certain hp thresholds just doing it, and it doesn't hit you if you stand on them.
So they removed it.
Then they for some reason removed part of it in the iCBT but not the whole thing, leading to when bosses try to use certain, removed patterns, the game crashes.
>>318809406
A beta is feature complete and exists for bug testing
an alpha is simply not feature complete.
Basically every single fucking thing under the hood seems like really shitty placeholder shit.
Like they had a stub for bleeding that was just the character htiting itself cause that is simple as fuck but then they never replaced it when they started you know, making the game you know, work, like a game.
>>318809274
Thanks, I think I'll go for it. Just starting to establish myself on iRO with the obligatory Hunter account.
Been botting quite a bit since it seems most maps are 90% bots anyways.
Is there a rough estimate when iRO will get the new stuff?
>>318809627
It's meant to be a breath of fresh air, much like how when you change class you get your 1st 1~4 levels fairly quickly, then it slows down. Personally i never had any issues with being under/overleveled, and generally that only seems to happen to people who didnt invest any time in dungeons/missed quests. Anyways, i agree it should be handled better, but the idea itself is nice.
>>318809850
iRO is some good two and a half years or so behind kRO, some other official servers are as far as 5 years behind.
Don't be hopeful
>>318809850
iRO is botting galore. Everybody and their mother has farming bots.
I went Bokor 3 two weeks ago.
It's okay, IMC, I don't like fun, anyway.
Linear quest progression and world.
>>318808476
>>318810895
Don't forget the part where the presence of even a single zombie, even if it isn't attack anyone, will draw ALL the aggro on a Bokor, even when it isn't appropriate.
Every enemy except one spams unavoidable homing magic? Oh, the other one? It shoots homing magic, too. But it hits for 3000+. And it's an enormous damage sponge. It normally ignores you unless you attack it, but you're a Bokor. Eat shit.
>>318804128
How exactly did WoW ruin MMO's in a way that Ragnarok didn't?
bokor, you mean the spawn zombies and AFK to infinite farm?
>>318808508
if you thought optimization in FO4 was bad you haven't seen shit yet
graphics in ToS runs on one thread
this means ToS plays like complete shit in towns where there are many entities to render
oh, teleport hacks are also fully functional on ToS
If you find the data structure containing all monsters on the map as well as their buffs, you can teleport to any blue mob and KS anyone on the map
>>318813203
You're thinking Sorcerer.
Bokors are... WERE great at handling areas with large mob density like they were nothing, but you sure as hell needed to be at the helm.
>>318813460
Oh yeah don't forget that the game is injection heaven
open any window for anything
make anything appear in the chat or in a weapon
just fuck my shit up
>>318799745
People genuinely believed the game would be good because they think these devs made Ragnarok Online and not Granado Espada.
>>318814371
/v/ really liked Granado Espada a few years ago.
>>318814437
/v/ is not a hivemind and Granado Espada was awful at launch.
>>318807525
Holy shit that face.
>>318807679
Samefag, satan morroc
I loved Morroc, and hated when they demolished it, so MVPing him is incredibly satisfying
>>318814621
That's this game's art in a nutshell
They tried to make the game quest driven.
>>318807104
It was still the hardest dungeon, making it end game, you fucking retarded inbred faggot. That's why 99s were rare, Kalypso 99ed on a Aby Knight. Stop talking about RO like you have any idea what the fuck is going on.
I'm agreeing with most of the points made in this thread.
I will say though, the game was still tons o fun. Plenty of classes to nitpick and toy around with. Also, there are hidden features for skills that add neat little bonuses.
Like Deprotection zone + hand knife on monk
>>318803835
On top of all this
>There's no incentive to revisit older areas except for maybe 1 quest.
>Starter areas will be completely dead after the initial rush meaning anyone behind the curve has to take much longer soloing in a game that prides itself on party play
>Additive damage calculations
>UI pop ups cause frame drops
>If you hit something with both Concentrate and Blessing on fast enough you can crash everyone on screen
>Game is poorly optimized
>Graphical issues that only effect Nvidia users
>Nothing is actually touching the terrain, simply changing the camera shows your character floating a full foot off the ground
>Game is entirely reliant on Multi-Hit skills, if your skill does a single hit it's shit
>Class balance is an absolute mess after three testing phases in Korea and 2 Focus Group Tests.
>Archers are incredibly gimped for no reason, they have a % damage penalty thats only removed with upgrading their weapon which makes them absolutely awful to level as your first character because you'll either have to plink away for no damage or be completely broke until level 75
>Even while quests are abundant the design for them is pitifully lazy"Hey go collect materials for this fence. Thanks now go build me the fence."And I still had fun playing it.
>>318815153
>thinks hardest is what constitutes "end game"
And yet you accuse me of having no idea of what the fuck is going on, hah.
>>318814993
I don't see a face in that picture.
I expected a leveling progression similar to RO, not too quest heavy and it's not what I got.
Maps are all boring.
>>318815318
>reliant on party play
Nigga solo is almost always faster and party play itself is horrifically gimped by the way exp sharing works
>>318815316
>Like Deprotection zone + hand knife on monk
That looks cool as fuck and all, but getting to actually do it was such a fucking disappointment.
>deprotect zone is fucking tiny and the debuff is completely insignificant
>combo only works if you, and a mob that is AFFECTED BY THE DEBUFF are inside the circle
>debuff takes like 3 whole seconds to apply on an enemy that enters the circle
>AoE is a small straight line
>that means by the time something actually gets affected by the debuff, allowing you to combo, mobs have already spread all over and the straight line blast is useless 99% of the time
On top of that
>armor break gets resisted most of the time
>knocking mobs up frequently bugs their position and makes their models show up in different places than where their hitboxes actually are, fucking you up and making NOT using the combo a better option even if mobs align perfectly
Welp
>>318815318
>There's no incentive to revisit older areas except for maybe 1 quest.
>Starter areas will be completely dead after the initial rush meaning anyone behind the curve has to take much longer soloing in a game that prides itself on party play
>Even while quests are abundant the design for them is pitifully lazy"Hey go collect materials for this fence. Thanks now go build me the fence."
So how would a MMO work on those? Never played any besides ToS. Did Ragnarok do those better?
>>318815725
Quest heavy MMOs were a mistake
>>318815316
>Played the Korean beta
>Exp was way higher than what you played
>Tried with all the classes that I wanted
>Got tired of the game because there's nothing else interesting to do
So much for the Ragnarok successor. By the way, are the bosses still complete shit?
>>318799745
The genre is dead because of too many casuals playing it.
Quest to level kills the freedom older MMOs used to have, you know where to go just because the game tells you where to go. You don't explore, you don't have many options where to lvl. Grinding is almost completely unnecesary except for wanting to reach that quest lvl, just to quest again.
Also shit maps, shit stupid system that doesn't allow you to kill monster with "high" difference lvl (Not even that high in a game with 200+ levels).
If you think you should never grind in an MMO, then why do you ask for a new Ragnarok? Did you all forget how much grinding RO had? Or do you always played private servers with x2000 rates?
People bitch about grinding because they see how shit is in current MMOs, but it used to be well balanced, grinding in party used to be fun. Now it's you alone spamming AoE against 20 mobs all the time. And this is not a ToS problem, it's happening to every new MMO out there.
Also something maybe some others doesn't care, but lacking of a good PvP/PK system kills the game fast when there are not even good bosses in the game.
>>318815153
if i can recall geffen dungeon was the endgame dungeon before the juno patch
>beta is actually a beta for once
MAN THIS GAME HAS SO MANY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS
>>318816246
Making PVP optional was one of the biggest mistakes in the evolution MMOs.
>>318816239
They made bosses worse
>>318815991
>resist
That is the most bullshit thing in the game I don't understand why they have that awful, awful mechanic.
Then again IMC gave QS a skill that requires you to level another, useless skill in order to use and then gave it a hilariously high mp cost with no benefits at all, so what I think we can just assume that everything they do is retarded
>>318816126
Indeed they were. Thanks Everquest/WoW.
>>318816442
They fixed some stuff but you can't change the core of the game, which is already bad.
>>318816456
I miss playing a good Lineage 2 server just for the PvP. And at the same time, i already played that game too much, too bad there isn't a good successor.
>>318816639
cant change? how do you think they made it in the first place? carved out of stone?
>>318816126
Yeah Questing is pretty much another way of modern day MMO handholding. Modern MMO players have no idea what the fuck to do if they ran out of quests to do. They can't wrap their heads around the concept of grinding. "Grind? Thats fucking boring, whats the point?" etc. I'm not saying that all MMOs should be grindfests, but it should give the player enough breathing space to choose the way he wants to level rather than following the quest marker on the map everyone else is.
>>318816442
It's fun how they didn't give a fuck about fixing stuff DURING the beta and not after. Like, there was a whole job bugged since first day and it's still fucking bug. A fucking whole job unplayeable. Nice devs we have here.
>>318816126
quests heavy mmos are fine
quests like class quests add to the immersion
>>318816860
>Modern MMO players have no idea what the fuck to do if they ran out of quests to do.
Modern MMOs don't have anything to do if you run out of quests to do.
>>318816773
I expressed myself wrong, what I meant was that they won't change. It'll be a quest heavy game with linear maps and instanced dungeons like always.
one thing i noticed in RO
dungeons that have "attunement" quests are fucking barren and nobody grinds in it
not to mention that the cards that drop from it are absurdly expensive
>>318816997
Class quest are ok.
Quest since lvl 1 to max level are fucking wrong.
>>318817365
Are you insane? Or just played on private servers?
Rachel's Sanctuary and Nameless Island were (and still are in Renewal even) some of the most popular grinding/farming spots in the game (because they were indeed fucking great), and both have prerequisites for unlocking their entrance.
>>318816997
Quest Heavy = Quest to max level
Themeparks have always been and will always be shit, even if the only other option is to grind like an autist.
At least you can party with other autists when you grind.
At least the music was good. RIP in pieces MMOs, you will be missed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwOVHT8bWts
>>318807934
Tower clock was pretty crazy too.
>>318817731
episode 13 babbies pls go
>>318817965
>all players that have knowledge of latter episodes started playing late and there is NO ONE that has been playing from the start that kept playing instead of crying about change and going to shitty dead nostalgiafag privates
sure mate
Is the beta still going? I thought it was over a long time ago.
>>318816102
FFXIV does it best with level sync. Encourages power leveling though.
>>318815153
End game =/= hardest content.
>>318818218
just stop mate
nobody ran episode 8 dungeons because the loot and the new class card combos were garbage
not to mention the attument quests just ended up discouraging people to bother with it because GH loot table was still superior
>>318799745
I was promised 10% quests and 90% open world grinding
I got instead 90% quests and 10% linear grinding
terrible, even though I think the combat is satisfying and the classes are fun
>>318818287
Level sync does not encourage power levelling, it actually nullifies it due to the way exp works anyways.
>>318819292
Episode 8 had ONE dungeon that required a quest, nigger. Your point is still shit.
>>318816954
Seriously, how the hell is anyone supposed to be able to evaluate how good and balanced a job class is & possibly give feedback on it (which will be promptly ignored by the koreans) when fucking nothing about works?
>>318822809
two dungeons actually
but that doesnt make me wrong faggot
everyone still ran gh despite everything
>>318799745
it was a bugged clusterfuck but I still enjoyed it although I didn't have much time to play
as the icbt ends korea is getting rank 7 classes and alternate zones to level through (so now 2 paths to make leveling alts less boring although I don't know if the new path ends at like 100+ or something)
So basically the relationship is the same as most eastern games playing the 6 month old version hopefully we aren't so far behind once the game actually release
>>318799745
When can I play it?
I don't has beta key.
Scout's barrel hiding doesn't end when it stops taking effect. Who one earth thought it was a good idea to make it that way? There's no way to tell how many attacks you can block unless you count them yourself and even if you dodge it counts as getting hit. At some point in time you're just stuck taking damage and the animation to end the skill takes so long that you're probably going to get stun locked trying to escape.
Quarrel Shooter is a pain too. Their skills are terrible, they get fucked over harder than any other class from the stupid overheat system, because you actually want to space out pavise(the shield) and teardown, and they have tons of aggro stealing spells but the shield rarely works to block attacks.
The stupidest thing is that so many of their skills are do-overs of the base archer's skills. QS3 gets the spell quick step should've been, QS2 gets a multi-shot that you can charge while moving and Scout 3 gets oblique shot++ that his 3 targets instead of 2.
>>318801125
Is there a list of changes anywhere?
>>318829317
I'm still reasonably confident that Quarrel Shooter is only secondarily a pve class and primarily meant for pvp. Cause otherwise their shitty skills make no sense.
>>318829317
How about you post that on the class feedback section of the beta forums instead of here, then?
>>318831192
http://pastebin.com/6z8bqciq
>>318799745
Too linear
Trammel ruined MMOs and anything since then has been irrelevant.
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>>318829317
Nothing wrong with do-over skills. That just means more skills to put in your rotation. That's 100% intentional and fits in with the Archer's design.
