>group of modders create a mod without express permission from original creator
>six years later the modders are freaking out about the possible legal repercussions
>the community is defending them under the guise of respect for the original creators by not sharing unfinished works
>the works would never be finished in the first place if not for leaks, and now that there's a possibility of them being finished by the community people are upset
Day one their project was on questionable legal grounds and it took them six years to realize that they should probably stop
and now that people unrelated to them want to finish what they've started they're up in arms.
The Smash Community needs to get their shit together.
They've been hired by valve and told to shut down PM because it would be a direct competition to their upcoming smash clone: more competitive edition
b-b-but releasing anything more could get the devs in REAL trouble!
>>318768479
muh clone engine
>>318768175
Project Memers and meleefags need to suffer, they are trying to hold back the series out of nostalgia and unability to change and adapt, they aren't even nintendo or even videogames fans, they only play a party game competitively.
Thankfully Sakurai is steadily killing them off just by being based and making new iterations even better. If Cloud hasn't made you repent of being a filthy compfag nothing ever will and you need to be disposed.
>>318769035
>making new iterations even better
ayy lmao
>>318768382
Are project M guys really hired by valve?
>>318769356
Thats sad, since RoA died out quickly
>Project M fags btfo
oh good
>>318769208
>More content
>Better asseta
>Improved roster
>More balanced
>Accessible for casuals and yet allows advanced play
>Not bug ridden
>Community isn't shit
You just got told, good sir.
>PM dev leaks Halloween and Lyn/Knuckles/Issac/Sami build
>other devs threaten his life
>random anons on /v/ fix half of the bugs within hours
it was better off open source. Fucking elitists.
>"NO ONE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND THE CLONE ENGINE:
>someone manages to use it properly within an hour
>>318769447
But does it have break the targets?
>>318769447
>Shit gameplay (even watching MK vs MK was better)
>Meme roster (le sony swordman)
>Awful map palette
>0 skill ceiling, only way to win is by grinding ad-autismo
There, I bote.
>>318769625
Link to the fixes?
All the ones I got (one from mega posted here and other from dropbox from leddit) are dead
So, someone in the old thread mentioned that if I wanted to have my mod pack with all my skins function with the dev build, I'd need to have the codebase as well. If I got the whole dev mod set up and ready to play, what files would I need to overwrite with my current modded 3.6 setup to keep Knucks and Lyn while adding all the new skins and stages from my current pack?
The hypocrisy pisses me off
>Mod Nintendo's game without their permission
>Get mad when people mod your mod without your permission
They are acting like Project M is it's own game, the hype went to their heads
>>318769724
>>Meme roster (le sony swordman)
>But muh dead earthbound character no one asked for in the begining, falcon meme, Sony Snake, and shit NES game Climbers are okay
>>318769853
Wrong.
People have always modded PM, and they will continue to do so.
What they said is that PM ended in 3.6. Any mods off PM aren't PM, just like PM isn't brawl.
Tournments that want to have PM should have 3.6 sicne anything else will be another mod.
And most importantly because trying to fork PM into new iterations is only gonna divide a community that is already tiny to begin with.
>>318768175
>and now that people unrelated to them want to finish what they've started they're up in arms.
They are terrified that a new group could pick it up and do more with it than they did in far less time. All about that pride.
>>318770046
Yes, they are all characters Nintendo has been hand in hand with.
Except only snake because Sakurai was a kek to kojima
>>318770120
3.6 is buggy & the balance is shit, all dat counter picking
3.0 was a better release honestly
Wavedash Game's is using project M 's assets. Their game is basically project m without the Brawl base.
The wavedash game is to connected too Brawl and at any second Nintendo can shut it down, or if released and sold the company will be sued.
>>318770328
What is more buggy in 3.6 than 3.0?
3.6 fixes more balance issues than it brings, except possibly G&W which is still arguable.
>>318770241
So how is the entire Smash 4 roster a meme roster now? Especially when MegaMan was more icon and popular
>>318770614
1 character is enough to make it a meme roster
But really the roster is irrelevant when the gameplay is shit
That was just a reply at "more content" as if "more content" automatically means "better".
Adding shrek would be more content too
>>318769841
The absolute easiest way would be to grab the sc_selcharacter.pac, battle portraits, result screen portraits, fighter files, and module files for Knuckles and Lyn from the dev build and add them to your build. Then take any custom codes from your old build and add them to the dev codeset and compile it.
>Page long post ranting about people using leaked mod versions at tournaments when a single sentence announcement could've done it better
>>318770428
>Wavedash Game's is using project M 's assets
That's retarded. They should be starting from scratch.
>>318769853
You wanna rage?
http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread.339825/page-2521#post-20535567
The blind hypocrisy is aggravating.
>>318771085
O-oh, right, why didn't I think of that? P-piece of cake.I'll give it a shot, thanks for the poke in the right direction
>>318772778
People are just going to bitch and cry over the dearth of the series. Unless the series can properly continue than other mod will take over as best brawl mod in the smash community.
>>318768175
>Day one their project was on questionable legal grounds and it took them six years to realize that they should probably stop
No, its the inevitable conclusion of all modders who want to go pro. You have to go pro using your own stuff and not increasingly tweaking someone else's work. "legal reasons" just sounds better than "We want to work on something else. Something we can make money off of."
How easy is it to replace Isaac with the Ridley going around?
>>318772778
Smashboards is a cesspool.
>>318773298
So is /v/ according to any other board
>>318769723
Not him, but before you say anything, Brawl has the Break the Targets, not Project M.
>>318773457
At least on /v/, you can get away with calling people out on their bullshit.
Update me with what happened yesterday, I went to sleep. People were going to create an ISO but apparently it was not working. What must I do to play it on Dolphin?
>>318773660
Not really, if you call Nintendo out on their bullshit, if you call people out for making a 'thank-you'card for advertisers. Or if you call people out for donating to two feminists who've never made a game in their life just because they're feminists. You get shot down hard on /V/
Thoughts?
I call bullshit on a couple things. I don't understand what's illegal about modding a game, doesn't it fall under fair use? If what they said is true KCMM and the Nexus would be all kinds of fucked.
Plus, didn't Nintendo already lose a court case against GameShark under similar circumstances?
>>318774408
we actually have the better awakening roy and better zss models, they're in the halloween build. basically they can no longer hold content ransom and now the community has lyn/knuckles (and will complete them ourselves).
i really don't care why they stopped, but you can't announce you're ending a mod and then act like you're in charge of it after. its an open community mod now.
>>318774408
It's the whole project m's code is being used in the Wavedash Games new game.
>>318775073
People is too stupid. Just check the smashboards thread.
>>318772778
They really think people shouldn't work on a mod even if it doesn't fuck with the old PMDT just because.
After the stupid reaction from the most diehard PM fans I'm starting to be glad it died.
>>318774408
Fair use doesn't give you right to do anything. It's just intended for the basics for educational content and creating your own, original content where they just happen to appear.
I believe Nintendo can do nothing about Project M, if they just send a C&D. The team could just remove Roy, Mewtwo and some stages and alternative costumes, I don't think it's illegal to edit gameplay itself.
However, C&D is just something companies do to be nice. Nintendo also has the option to sue them for things they already did in the past. No matter how much they remove from the current game, they are still responsible for uploading and sharing the Skyloft model to hundreds of thousands of people, not to mention music. This is something Nintendo can sue for millions for at any point in the future, and there is nothing they can do to defend against it, because they are already guilty and the damage is done.
PMDT assumed the worst that could happen would be that they removed what they did, what they didn't realize is that their past mistakes gives Nintendo rights to demand millions of them at any point in the future. That's why they just want to be forgotten, and hopefully Nintendo will forget about them too. Nintendo really got them now, they can ruin their lives at any moment, and they are really scared of that happening.
It's like if you upload music, even if you take down the upload, the CD companies can still sue you for 100 million for all the damage you already did.
>PMDT promotes wavedash teasing that "good things are coming"
>PMDT bites the dust months later
>"Omg no one is going to wavedash stop with your silly rumors"
Does the PMDT think we're stupid?
>>318776215
Most of the PM fans lately are making me think they are right on their assumptions.
By virtue of it's existence, Project M belongs to the public domain.
Any original assets which were created for use within Project M (and aren't otherwise associated with copyrighted intellectual property), including effects, sprites and the Project M logo are public domain.
They were distributed within a free package for the purpose of modifying existing software.
There is nothing the PMDT (or lack thereof) can do to control the spread of these resources.
>>318776279
For years we're told that the PM fanbase is autistic, and now the community split is making it obvious that it's true for at least one of the sides.
>>318775323
How did they think they could get away with that.
>>318768175
>>group of modders create a mod without express permission from original creator
you mean like 99% of mods?
Only difference is PM was getting big and its status as a mod was starting to become detrimental to its growth
>>318770328
>all dat counter picking
But that's a sign of a well balanced game, unless you want every character to play exactly the same for "true" balance
>>318776624
Let them rot.
They deserve a fate worse than death
>you cant mod our mod
I had nothing against PM before but now I cant wait to see their community finally disappear.
>>318776870
Truly, Project M was Brawl modding's Roman Empire. A glorious contribution to humanity that got run into the ground by those in power and grew far too big to sustain itself. Oh, sure, not everyone liked it, but none can deny its influence.
>>318776613
Legally the code belongs to the programmers and the art belongs to the artist(s). The only way to get rid of a copyright is to explicitly declare that you're making your work public domain and relinquishing ownership of it. Although it probably doesn't really matter at this point, Project M devs could request sites remove the files through DMCA.
So, I post >>318774408
In the PM Social, and it gets removed and I get infracted by Strong Bad, no reason, just cause.
>>318777274
>Project M devs could request sites remove the files through DMCA.
Except that they will get their asses raped by Nintendo the moment they think they own something.
>>318777430
Here's a link to the thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/project-m-social-thread.339825/page-2522
>>318777536
>manlyspirit
Oh youre that goobergator.
Good riddance.
PMDT are human garbage but so are you.
>>318777430
>>318777536
Someone mind explaining to me what I did wrong? Cause I'm not really seeing it.
>>318777430
>>318777536
I don't get it. What's wrong with posting that?
>>318777536
Maybe if you stop shitposting in their thread you won't get infractions, dumbass.
>>318777683
Hmmm... you sound like that Kurri bitch. Hate to disappoint, but I ain't to goober gator, as I said last time, I just dislike SJWs like you.
>>318777810
>shitposting
Yeah, because discussing the matter at hand constitutes as shitposting. Fuck off. Go back to your hugbox. It's not even the infraction I'm contesting, I don't give a fuck about that, it's the fact that he forcibly removed that image.
>>318774408
how about posting this on the main smash reddit
>>318778083
They remove all the fake leaks equally. Go back to reddit.
>>318777876
>SJW
How typical of a GoofyGoober
SJW are below human garbage, but your kind os right beside them.
You must be quite excited over this, arent you?
>muh ethics is party games modding
Pfffffft
"I always do as I'm told because I'm a little bitch"
-OP
>>318768175
look up game genie vs nintendo.
It was ruled that modification to game is perfectly legal. Which is what PM mod is.
Nintendo probably muscle and harness them til it scared the pm dev off. Ever since the announcement of sm4sh. They been pushed off every major tourney from EVO to Apex.
If the Dev taken to court, Nintendo sure to win cause mod dev has neither the time nor money to fight in court.
Nintendo still after all these year have a backward view on fan created content.
>>318769447
You forgot more dead
>>318769724
>>0 skill ceiling
you mean there aren't any exploits in the game mechanics for you to use to play the way you weren't meant to play so you can show your autism at max level? k.
Hopefully PMfags will stop asking for their liability to be included at Majors
>>318778595
modification by changing memory values is one thing and probably wouldn't stick.
Using Nintendo IP is just asking to be sued. Even a Japanese Peach dojin would call her P*ach to get around lawsuits.
>>318777743
You don't know how the law works
>>318778843
Bullshit. Post Ninty doujins which do that.
>>318777743
That has nothing to do with modders, you donut
>>318774408
It all makes fucking sense now
Knuckles won the ballot
Either him or Isaac (not as likely as knuckles)
Fuck
>>318768175
>>group of modders create a mod without express permission from original creator
>without express permission from original creator
This is the dumbest thing I have seen all day
>>318778882
Then enlighten me oh great messiah. We're all anonymous here after all.
I'm open to learning.
>>318778551
Kurri, get a fucking life.
>>318779128
>Knuckles won the ballot
Ok, who in the honest to fuck voted for Knuckles?
>>318777196
>after the roman empire fell western europe fractured into petty kingdoms all claiming the roman mantle
>mfw the same happens with brawl modding
>>318779124
Explain.
Altering code = modifying
>>318779224
Master Chief is obviously going to be announced at the direct.
>>318769035
>change and adapt
le change and adapt falacy
>>318778843
Project M was just changing memory as well. The method used was different but the outcome was the same. As for the use of IP, they didn't make money from their mod and never advertised their mod as official nor did they endorse the use of hardware or software mods on the console itself.
>>318779224
Well, he's the 3rd most loved Sonic character, and numbers 1 & 2 are already in the game.
>>318777743
Just because the PMDT could win doesn't change the fact that they lack the resources for a long court battle against Nintendo, Sega, and Konami
>>318769853
>Get mad when people mod your mod without your permission
Its a manners thing. If someone "steals" your mod without your permission then that's just bad manners.
If they steal it without even giving credit to the original creator then thats really low.
But if they do acknowledge who the original creator was and say how they changed it then thats not so bad even if it is frowned apon.But its not something to create a stink over.
If a modder gets upset over the latter then he needs to fucking kill himself for being a whiny manchild piece of shit egotistical manchild
>>318779321
>manufacturer of product that allowed users to alter codes transmitted between video gaming console and game cartridge
>transmitted between video gaming console and game cartridge
Selling a game genie is not the same as selling a mod to the game
>>318779582
*making a mod, not selling it. My mistake
>>318779532
I hope fagtendo doesnt do anything to them
They just tried to give us a good game which is more than nintendo was doing
>>318768175
it's just because nintendo is a business. pm is a danger to their smash 4 sales so they were probably gonna sue eventually. it's a shame too, seeing as smash 4 is very disappointing overall
"the smash community"
lol pmfags need to realize that no one really gives a fuck about pm except for you guys. Melee and sm4sh are each 10x more popular and are better games. Now please stop spamming this shit every hour. "the smash community" doesn't need to do shit for you autists.
>>318779321
Game genie does not alter the code of the game, it alters what is transmitted from the game to the console. A mod like Project M isn't the same thing at all.
>>318769035
The meleefags are far from suffering nigga, they're thriving. Breaking entrants/viewership records every major. Only thing that can stop them is if nintendo fucks their shit up like they did to the project memers.
And I've been banned from posting, way to go PMDT, looks like what I said didn't sink in, did it?
Oh well.
>>318780513
>Only thing that can stop them is if nintendo fucks their shit up like they did to the project memers.
Which they don't because there is no legal foothold that can fuck their shit up and they are even sponsoring major events.
>>318780803
Nobody cares about your feelings.
>>318780803
post more screencaps of yourself being angry on forums
>>318780927
He will be unbanned next week anyways.
>>318768175
the entire smash community is cringey, autistic manchildren, and this thread was not necessary
>>318781031
I'd rather not have to scroll past his blog, though.
>>318769035
</greenarrow> im a xboxtard and i have an opinion.
So will I never be able to play as Lyn then
it's one of the main reasons I was even interested in project m
>>318781034
You just described anybody who plays videogames past 12. To think otherwise is cringe in itself.
>>318776062
blowing damage to a large corporation
Everyone shut the fuck up for a second and answer me this:
Is it possible to get a copy of the latest build, WITHOUT Knuckles and Lyn, and WITH Ridley patched in using the leaked clone engine?
That's all I want right now. I can wait for the fighting freak Knuckles until he's good and ready.
>>318780803
Why are you so angry at them
and those leakers where assholes, makes it more likely they can be sued with those 2 characters leaked
>>318781567
All of the Ridley mods fucking suck. The real question is where I can find a Master Chief mod.
>>318781301
so literally every single person in the game industry is an autistic manchild? Wow.
>>318768175
>and now that people unrelated to them want to finish what they've started they're up in arms.
That's because it's still their work floating around and can be traced back to them. That's why they never wanted to let source code out in the first place and stopped distribution of the mod as soon as they found out Nintendo was finally starting to move. The build that got leaked with Knuckles, Lyn, and Isaac isn't supposed to be out there and was leaked by the idiot team member they cut off. Now that the code is out there, not only will whoever takes up working on it being in the line of fire, but because it's still their code, they're back under heat as well. Though to be fair, this is kind of their fault for not dropping the asshole who leaked it earlier when he has threatened this before and was proven to be toxic and useless.
>>318781896
unironically yes
>>318781659
I'm not angry at anyone, I'm actually happy cause I got to play the characters after all. I'm happy cause the modding community got their hands on the source code in the end.
And quit being such a puritan, wiiztec and the rest were based as fuck. All you faggots are being so overdramatic over nothing it's ridiculous. Watch, modding will go on, the shinPMDT will continue, and absolutely nothing will happen.
The janitors of /v/ will soon be trashing anything that is not an apology to the pdmt team.
>>318781912
You sound mad.
>this is kind of their fault for not dropping the asshole who leaked it earlier when he has threatened this before and was proven to be toxic and useless.
Okay, now you're just acting retarded. Are you PMDT? Who is this singular "asshole" who leaked the build. Why does it seem like you know more than what you are letting on?
>>318782286
I remember seeing a little bit about the guy when it first leaked. He was a fucking idiot
It wouldn't matter if their team didn't consist of faggots who slap their NAMES all over their retarded creations as if they were autistically proud of their accomplishments.
Than they could say "wi dindu nuffin"
>>318781896
That's what normies think.
http://pastebin.com/9KNDK25u
:^)
>>318782417
He was based as fuck, thread is right here:
>>318705108
Honestly, I have a hell of a lot more respect for them than the arrogant assholes that make the rest of the PMDT.
>>318781896
No.
Making videogames is not the same as playing them. To even think that work equals play makes you a manchild king.
Good job, mouthbreather.
>>318769447
>balance
>allows advanced play
>not bug ridden
>community isn't shit even though you posted all this horseshit
I love how Brawl/4 fags always deny any physics hiccups their games have because melee has wavedashing. Which is something a lot of fighting games have anyways.
I'm still amazed at how much better these modders are at delivering a good game than sakurai and his team of dipshits.
Nintendo = dog shit.
>>318781272
You can DL her beta version now, home slice. Plus, people are already finishing her and stage clear for an "official" new version without the PMDT's fuckery
>>318776983
Why does it matter if it thrives if they aren't even in control of it anymore? Stupid spiteful faggot.
Can anyone explain to me what Lyn's Side-B and Down-B are supposed to be?
>>318783085
They made melee though
They are capable, they just realized the Wii sports mom audience and babby kid audience would bring more money than people who care about gameplay
>>318782895
No need in arguing with this homosexual dick sucker. I guarantee you he won't even be able to take a stock from a casual in Melee.
Just stick to brawl and 4 you fucking loser, maybe one day you'll grow a pair of nuts and play something that doesn't spoon feed you. You fucking homo.
>>318783150
Down b is supposed to be a moving counter similar to Lucario, but its unfinished. Side b is a movement option that should have a hitbox, but does not
>>318783206
People lose their touch all the time, athletes get old and cant play at a high level. Sakurai hasn't made a good game in ages, you are just buying based off of brand name. You are even worse than an apple fag. Kill yourself as swiftly as possible.
>>318783254
I thought side-b had a sweetspot that has an effect similar to Rest?
This has been very eye opening for me /v/.
I used to wonder why people dissed on PMfags, thinking that the people starting shit were false flaggers.
Now I learned just what sort of faggots they've been all along. Pure.fucking.cancer.
I hope their mod dies out and their shitty community with it.
>>318769447
>community isn't shit
It must just be my area, but all the melee players are chill bros while the smash 4 players are all bronys/furries and other brands of weirdo.
>>318783141
Shut the fuck up. Bitchface.
>>318783294
I don't even have a Wii U though
Just saying that Sakurai's "team of dipshit" could do a game better than PM if they wanted
They don't because of the reason I already stated
Most people won't even care if the gameplay is dogshit or not since "wow megaman, sanic and mario on the same game!"
They don't bother with the gameplay because they don't need to, not because they are incapable
>>318783313
It did in the leaked vid, but this build is older than that one supposedly, and as such had not been implemented yet
>>318783141
>they arent in control
And why should I give a shit?
Stop sucking their dick, you bootlicking piece of shit.
>>318781272
The mod is now community open, people are planning on finish her and Knuckles, they may even complete Isaac and Sami.
>>318768175
Seeing as this has happened I'm wondering why pic related hasn't this gotten shut down by Nintendo yet.
Isn't it more or less the same thing just through a web browser?
Friendly reminder that the whole reason any of this is even up for discussion is that a chunk of the PM players want to finish PMDT's unfinished business and the rest are insistent that "their game" shouldn't be modded anymore.
If someone puts together a bugfixed version of 3.6 including the teased costumes, that's what should be used.
PMDT being adamantly against its completion is hilarious.
>>318782859
>the people who make video games don't test them
not that guy but lmao, how ignorant.
>>318784148
My guess is Gamefreak just doesn't care about the competitive battling aspect of the series. That's why they take down MMOs but leave up the battle simulators. Makes some sense.
>>318779224
I did
>>318782558
>Wiiztec's version is out of date! You don't have the brand new costumes that we had no intent of releasing to the public ever!
No one tell them someone else leaked the costumes and combined them with the dev build
This is hilarious
anyone have the dev build that 4chan patched up? for a better lyn because the old dev build contained was outdated
>>318785865
That post also mentions the 3.61 build, which includes the costumes. He probably doesn't know that they already merged them.
>>318774408
>I don't understand what's illegal about modding a game
consolecvcks don't care about their rights, so they let themselves get fucked in the ass.
>>318769447
>confirmed for leddit faggot
>>318778992
"Super Bitch World" just calls her "Princess" and nothing else.
>>318786000
https://github.com/TheOriginalSINe/Project-M-Dev-Build-Completion
>>318787340
does this have the new costumes?
>>318787438
Yes, it uses 3.61 as a base (has all the new costumes) and has the dev build characters.
>>318787556
thank you very much anon! have yourself a wonderful day
>>318787556
>>318787340
BASED AS FUCK
>>318787556
FUCKING RAD
>>318787556
what are the new costumes?
>>318790704
Revised Awakening Roy, overhaul for ZSS, Samus PED suit, headband Jigglypuff and Snake walking box taunt.
Is anyone willing to summarize the late night thread from last night?
>>318791759
Lots of blogs. Sakurai bought out the PMDT and is putting Master Chief in his next game.
>>318791759
>PM is dead
>1 Hour of despair
>Old team members share a bit of the drama
>Everyone wonders why they quit so suddenly
>No real answers, just a lot of rumors
>One of the rumors connects to Wavedash
>No one knows what's happening.
>Someone leaks in progress builds.
>People start collecting them hoping to find the new characters.
and today:
>New PM dev team is put together
>Start finishing the work that was abandoned
>It's revealed that they disbanded because they're terrified of the legal issues, but that's also not been confirmed.
>Split between support of old team vs new team
That's the whole thing.
>>318791759
>lots of discussion about the leaked dev build
>a fix for the dev build bugs gets posted
>someone who probably was ex-PMDT leaks an unreleased 3.6.1 build
>anons go crazy
>3.6.1 has all the promised cosmetic additions and a fix for Link's grab and possible balance changes
>SINe creates a build that uses 3.6.1 as a base and also contains the dev build characters
>this is now the definitive (in my opinion) 3.6.1 version
It's been a hell of a ride so far and it's only been one full day since PMDT imploded.
>>318768382
> upcoming smash clone: more competitive edition
Don't you mean Smash Clone: Hats & Crates Edition
>>318792591
Yeah this summarizes it very well.
I personally don't think Wavedash has anything to do with it. It's much more likely this:
>>It's revealed that they disbanded because they're terrified of the legal issues, but that's also not been confirmed.
They haven't refuted it and they have no reason to. They're not so much scared of getting into trouble but how deep the trouble they can actually get into is staggering.
A fix for Lyn with working Down B and other small changes has been uploaded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aDHVfjKSU
>finished by the community
let's be honest, this never ends well
>>318776976
>expecting the majority of /v/ to understand the balance behind counter picking i.e. rock paper scissors
So if the PMDT had never tied their real names in with this, would they have been safe behind aliases?
>>318793612
Yeah it's for this reason when the PMDT is saying "please don't continue to modify our shit" is a good blanket statement.
It's easier to say that than to get into the intricacies of forking the project under a different name, too much of it belongs under PM's work and outside developers will only muddy it without their focus. Not to mention the legal shit.
Nintendo really knows how to best make people hate them.
>>318793458
holy shit
Lel Smash babies are the bane of the fighting game community. Everyone else wants them out of tourneys, but they INSIST their party game counts as a legitimate fighting game.
>>318769427
>RoA
>dead
memer go home
>>318794193
fuck Nindindu
boycott TbH FaM
>>318793458
shittt boy that was fast
>pm haters said that pm died
its only begun
>>318793612
Most emulators are open-source and purely developed by the community.
There's nothing wrong with it provided you have good version control and strong community leaders to moderate any changes.
>>318793458
WELP, LOOKS LIKE SHE'S VIABLE
>>318793458
>YOU'RE NOT READY YET
the irony
>>318768175
>devs do such a shit job at their game that players have to hack it into something remotely playable
>people only buy game thanks to their mods
>instead of thanking and hiring these hard-working amateur developers, nintendo threatens legal action after letting them invest years of their lives in something they thought was fine.
This is like if the ARMA devs prevented people from playing DayZ or if Bethesda found the people that turn their games from giant memory-hogging messes into somewhat playable futa porn simulators and killed them in their sleep.
>>318793458
>>318795048
>>318795432
Tested her out just now, it's like the uploader said:
>"still pretty near useless in most cases"
Down B's still fucked. It "works" but viable? No way.
Also does her Side B do anything else but act as a dash/quickstep?
>>318768175
>group of modders create a mod without express permission from original creator
when the fuck have mods EVER asked for permission from the devs? now that's some cackold shit.
>Day one their project was on questionable legal grounds
If it's free and doesn't require piracy they can't do shit.
>>318795940
Nintendo is out of touch with current trends. I mean, they just NOW started to using a modern ID system.
>>318795940
you're a smart man, because i never understood that
>>318796067
You can turn around at the end, that's all. Imagine Lucario's down special.
>>318796126
This. This should be the end of discussion but nope not if it's fucking Nintendo.
Cunts.
>>318769447
I switched to Smash 4 from Melee because I was already bored of Melee. Smash 4 is still too slow and casual friendly, but at least it's not an unplayable pile of fucking putrid slow shit like Vanilla Brawl was.
>>318793612
Eat dicks you purist fanboy:>>318793458
>>318796067
It works just as well as any other counter, which is to say that it's highly situational.
And there is nothing wrong with a situational move.
Back when I was working in a team fixing up the old hl2 beta and 2003 tf2 code we got a C&D from Valve despite hl2 already being out and us not profiting from it.
>>318796067
Somebody post those concept sheets from yesterday.
>>318796776
This?
>>318796656
That's why you don't release mods until they're finished.
>>318768175
Does this even happen in Japan? You can even sell doujins of copyrighted characters over there.
It's just a fucking mod, what's the big deal?
>>318796776
Don't have them handy but the point of what made her down b useful was
>>318796861
oh there it is. You could cancel out of the counter to fake out your opponent basically if I understand this right. And that's not implemented in this build.
I swear we have to see her finished someday. And not by any random hacker, it needs to be done well. The rest of her is almost there, some animations are just still a bit clunky/unrefined, model is rough in a few spots and needs expressions.
>>318796861
Yep, that's one of them.
There was also one for her side-b if anyone saved that.
>>318796889
We never released anything, I think only a select few got our version of the HL2 beta.
It was fun though, we got cremators, children, all the cut guns, and combine guards working along with Airex, Palace, Manhack Arcade and Borealis.
>project m modders paranoid about legal shit after 6 years
>the SMW hacking community has been going on for over fucking 10 years without a single lawsuit
>even after finding IPs from nintendo in their site access logs
I didn't realize what shit heads PM and Meleefags are. Jesus you people are so salty about Smash 4.
>muh speed
>game is better because physics!
>Roster doesn't matter!!
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE RREERREREEEEEEEE
Just remember, too much sodium is bad for your health.
>>318797826
You can make the same argument for smash 4 only people.
>muh roster
>muh "content"
>advanced techniques? What is that?
>melee is too hard
Feels good being able to enjoy all smash games for what makes them good.
>>318797826
Yikes this post is shit
>>318774408
They can still go on hiatus for a year and wait for the smash 4 hype to die out.
>>318797826
>muh speed
>game is better because physics!
>Roster doesn't matter!!
What's wrong with any of those points?
Brawl and Smash 4 slowed things down and made the physics a lot floatier, some people didn't like that.
And roster doesn't really matter to people when they're after the gameplay.
>>318782286
How do I sound mad?
Also, I'm just saying what was in the post regarding what happened. I didn't cap it but I have the pastebin from the other thread.
http://pastebin.com/9KNDK25u
The guy who leaked the code with Lyn, Knuckles, and Isaac was referred to as a twat so that is how I referred to him as. I'm not making any personal comments about what happened because really, I don't care. Never played PM and probably never will. I'm just explaining the situation as I see it according to the information we've been provided as to what's happening.
Not to mention, I even called them out for not dropping the guy before if he apparently was as toxic, whiny, and threatened and followed through with code leaks when he didn't get his way, as they say he did. It is completely retarded to keep somebody like that after even the first offense so keeping him around with access to the code for as long as they did was a retarded move for them and if it comes to bite them in the ass, then that's their own fault.
Once again, how do I sound mad?
>>318799681
There will never be anything wrong with enjoying a specific smash game, though this board is entirely dedicated to telling you the opposite.
>>318799761
you should be sucking the leaker's dick honestly. if it wasn't for him pm would be dead entirely, especially after the devs decided to cut and run and announce they're done.
im so fucking glad we got knuckles and lyn and it seems leaking the source code caused a boom in brawl modding.
>>318769625
Seriously, why isn't all their shit open source? They want the attention.
>>318800285
As Dolphin has demonstrated, open source leads to the best fucking free shit ever
I know that people have added the 3.61 costumes to the Clones build, but has anybody added the clones to the 3.61 build? I want the bugfixes and balance of the 3.61 but it would be nice to have the characters as well. Right now I'm just using two seperate SD cards
>>318768175
Was the source code ever leaked?
>>318769035
Wanting a game that doesn't have a ridiculously low skill ceiling isn't holding anything back.
Has Nintendo done anything lately that is good PR or consumer relations or whatever? I feel like they were trying harder in 2012-2014, but this year it seems like they've just given up completely. That disastrous E3 and iwata dying must've destroyed them internally.
>>318795940
Remember their youtube rules and shit? Also
>still having friend-code type garbage for mario maker
Fucking braindead
>>318771185
>Project: Manchild
I don't understand.
Wouldn't the manchildren be the ones who complain without doing anything about it? At least the PMDT went out and made the changes they wanted to see, rather than just pissing and moaning about it.
>>318787340
Why does it have PED suit in it?
>>318799761
>spends three hours making a lengthy response
>defends pic related
>condescending non-apology
>getting angry over people you don't even know
>supposedly never even played PM yet is hyper invested in the drama for some reason
>"how do I sound mad?"
>>318797826
>Sees Smash Bros. Thread
>Doesn't read OP
>immediately starts unrelated tr4sh posting
This is why sm4sh fags are cancer
>>318771185
but you have have this in vg which is dominated by smash 4 fans
>>318801184
Naj
>>318781912
>toxic
hello reddit
>>318777743
Modifications of existing code and assets is not the same thing as creating new assets.
Especially when you are using the copyrighted characters of other companies.
Game Genie didn't infringe because it was not a derivative work, and even if it was it would not have created any future harm, to quote the decision:
>The Game Genie merely enhances the audiovisual displays (or underlying data bytes) that originate in Nintendo game cartridges. The altered displays do not incorporate a portion of a copyrighted work in some concrete or permanent form
>Because the Game Genie is used for a noncommercial purpose, the likelihood of future harm may not be presumed.
>Game Genie users ... are not invited to view derivative works based on Nintendo's copyrighted works without first paying for that privilege.
Project M, especially since it went beyond simple modification to include the addition of new characters, could cause that requisite future harm, and you'd have to be an idiot to not see that PM is a derivative work.
Further, this holding is only precedent in the ninth circuit AND is pre-DMCA. Standards are tougher now.
TL:DR, PM would be fucked if they got sued.
>>318800474
I thought them bringing bayonetta in was a sign they were changing their tune
But now they've gone in the total opposite direction.
>>318801118
Have you even read the thread? Or did you just read the OP?
>>318801615
>Project M, especially since it went beyond simple modification to include the addition of new characters
So why aren't skyrim and fallout mods all banned? Shouldn't Bethesda be in the same position, of not legally having any control of their IP, if they don't force sue all those mods out of existence?
>>318768175
or it was some highschool fanboys who turned project M into a college hobby. Now graduation was 2yrs ago and its either hobby or career.
Im guessing most of them bounced and its better to just say "its over" instead of "fuck it, my job is better and so is sm4sh"
>>318798575
Feels good being able to enjoy video games without getting ass blasted when a mod stops being supported.
>>318801828
Don't you play that card.
Literally no-one has complained about sm4sh in this thread.
>>318801828
How fucking stupid are you? The thread is about PM Being shut down and that's it.
This has nothing to do with gameplay at all. The only people posting about gameplay differences are fags like you looking to start a flame war
>>318800282
>you should be sucking the leaker's dick honestly
Why? I don't really care about PM.
>if it wasn't for him pm would be dead entirely
See previous statement
>especially after the devs decided to cut and run and announce they're done.
Eh, can't blame them for trying to cover their asses as best as possible. They dun fucked by making PM in the first place but anybody in their position would be wise to do the same because Nintendo would destroy them in court.
Also, I don't really get this "arrogance" from the team for not releasing their source code. It doesn't matter if it's a AAA title or a fan mod. It's perfectly acceptable to keep your source files to yourself because you're the one who did the work to create it. It's not like modding Brawl was some big secret that only they knew how to do. Why should they have to provide their exact work for anybody to tweak when it was public knowledge at that point how to mod Brawl. If you wanted to do it, then figure it out yourself. They have no obligation to give you the cheat sheet.
>>318801007
>spends three hours making a lengthy response
You're implying I've been keeping a constant eye on the thread instead of doing other shit that isn't /v/. Also, if that's "lengthy" to you, then you must really hate reading.
>defends pic related
no idea what that is because I don't go to reddit
>getting angry over people you don't even know
Who's angry? I still don't see how I sound angry. Is it because I said swear words? I'm sorry I was too intense for you, anon.
>supposedly never even played PM yet is hyper invested in the drama for some reason
Hard not to know some of what's going on with it when it comes up in every Smash thread.
>>318798621
Yikes so is this one.
I think somewhere down the line people forgot this is just a mod, not its own game
>>318802257
Pretty much
>>318802257
/thread
now lets get back to playing/modding the pm dev build already
OP here
>>318802257
/thread
>>318802257
yes, and Smash is a party game. all is going accord.
PM just holds a ton of shit that would benefit modding community in larger scales but PMDT decided not to share at least and hold us back futher.
>>318801868
They are.
Bethesda could demand every mod ever made be taken down, and they would be within their rights.
17 U.S. Code § 106(2)
>the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize...
>to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work
Bethesda has decided to authorize derivative works to the general public, but they still own all right to anything not added in by the mod author
17 USCA § 103(b)
>The copyright in a compilation or derivative work extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material.
Modders thus have a license to make whatever modification they wish, infringing on the rights of say, Square-enix by adding a Keyblade, is an entirely different legal issue.
>>318802257
PM Robin PSA when?
>>318787556
>Copy and paste the "codes" folder to wherever your codes folder is
What?
>>318796861
Yo that's some Bedman guard-point stuff.
>>318802190
Whoa, calm down. Your autism is outstanding.
Between you and me, I think you stand up from your computer and go outside. It's a beautiful world out there.
I'm kind of glad I never cared and just played Smash 4 like a pleb.
>>318802620
So again, I'm asking you, since they're actively NOT taking them all down and haven't for over a decade now, they must have lost any rights to protecting their IP, just like people are saying Nintendo will if they didn't take PM down, as if they had no other choice.
to whoever is doing the github stuff and cant figure out the kirby hat stuff, just use the 3.61 full/wifi codeset txt as base instead of bieng dumb and using the gcr in the codes folder which is 3.6 codeset
>>318802986
>Your autism is outstanding.
What is it with you people and that word? Is Autism your fetish or something? Am I turning you on?
>I think you stand up from your computer and go outside. It's a beautiful world out there.
Yeah, no, fuck that. Winter where I live blows. I'm just gonna stay inside where it's warm and play video games until late spring when the weather finally doesn't suck.
>>318802802
actually that's a very good idea desu, since the PDMT is out of the way...they would make a very interesting play but it will need different movesets because Nintendo would get buthurt pretty fast
>>318803078
What is an EULA.
Bethesda EULA specifically covers mods.
Pay attention to the word "license".
Also you don't lose your IP by failing to perfectly protect your work, you lose it by not taking any steps to protect it at all.
That is why the term "photo shop" is still copyrighted, despite it being a completely generic term in practice.
>>318803840
Can we at least keep the limit mechanic?
Throwing the book is so good
>>318802880
I'm pretty confused I copy and pasted the Projectm folder, the Config.txt, and the codes folder but it won't work. Am I supposed to make a codes folder and pt the codes folder content into that one?
>>318803867
So why can't Nintendo do the same, they clearly had the option to, if Bethesda does it.
>>318804220
I don't think that's possible with brawl's engine because it will need already assets used from the ingame- example of this would be diddy down B or peach's down b
Hey guys. The person who made the Lyn counter fix game me permission to use it in the project. That means the first "real" build will be ready sometime this weekend.
>>318804316
Put the projectm folder and the txt file on your SD card, and put the codes folder in the same directory as your old codes folder. That way it merges and overwrites your old codes.
>>318769035
(You)
>>318802880
just copy past into sd card f a m
>>318804620
Shit
>>318804680
her counter frames activates late, which is real weird.
like its better than no counter but it obviously needs to be tweaked again
