https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJUWImJUZrU
Bretonnia in the game
>>318757205
>dat campaign map
>>318757205
>dat map
muh dick
So the other two games are confirmed expansions, probably standalone.
No Lizardmen? Fuck this!
>3:00
>that giant fucking dragon on the campaign map
>Orc Boyz
We did it
>>318757880
>you can build ditches/walls again
Thank fucking god. I hated how in recent games you can't fortify your defenses outside of what happens when you upgrade the entire settlement.
>>318757774
Old news m8
>>318758032
>the look of cities changes if you capture them
I like it. I like it a lot.
Holy shit. I hadn't even bothered to follow this but that campaign map looks phenomenal.
I was hoping we would see how chain quests work.
So Britonia, and Tillia are clearly in which is good. Did anyone think its a bit odd, that after we just saw the Empires "roster" of 13 units in total, the green skins roster is way bigger, when the gobbo general near the bone spear goes to recruit he has a about 18-20 units to recruit from.
Some vampire counts being shown is nice, the underway system is kind of disappointing, I was hoping for something different other then stance movement. An undermap if you will. The AI waaagh thing seems pretty cool, I hope it leads to doomstacks like the mod for med2 had.
Still no comment on 40 unit armies though, at first they said it "didn't feel right" and wasnt "fun" then they backpeddled a little bit and said they would judge fan reaction and think about it. Honestly wont be picking up the title without it, I mean look at those piss poor unit sizes. Im sure we'll see "EPIC BATTLES" DLC that brings back the 40 unit option and adds a new epic size for units. Still the campaign map looks fucking amazing, I hope the game is well optimized.
>>318757205
>Total War: WARHAMMER
Will there be diplomacy in this game, or there is only war?
>>318758372
I assume you can have Empire-Dwarves and Greenskins-Vampire diplomacy, and any other combination is much harder.
>>318758372
>>318758504
also probably diplomacy within the race. I doubt you just pick one race and start playing. There has to be subfactions within the races. That might be an Empire thing for diplomacy, while Greenskins have to fight to get other factions under them
>>318758724
They've pretty much said you'll have to unite the Empire if you play as the empire faction and iirc it was said/implied that you could use diplomacy to bring factions of your culture under your rule (like in the other recent warscape games)
>>318758372
If you look at the video closely you can see it mentioning your diplomacy ratings when choosing options after winning battles.
I thought the Warhammer world had ended
>>318758724
There is totally subfactions, when the guy is pointing at different regions at the beginning I saw two different named ork factions.
>>318758372
In the interview they did with PC Gamer they said that you can conduct diplomacy with other races and within your own faction. As an example they said that as the greenskins you only play as one tribe, you can either unite them by beating up all the other clans or you can create a "confederation" of sorts of greenskins through diplomacy. If you play as the Empire Karl Franz wants to unite it, this can be done through diplomacy.
They also said that if you play as the Empire you can create an alliance with the Vampire Counts, it's gonna take alot however since they have completley different goals, and they will probably backstab you, if the greenskins invade with superior forces it might be useful to ally with the Vampire Counts to fight a common foe.
There will aslo be backstabbing within the factions aswell, as an example they said that the leader of Middenland hates Karl Franz and probably won't unite with him willingly, and if he does he might backstab you in a critical moment.
>>318757205
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYBzl5OCXjE
What race will you guys play first?
>>318762012
Greenskins
>got to keep Fightiness up
>special raiding that gives you income and lets you recruit from anywhere on the map
>best aesthetic
Plus there seems to be ork clans all over the place so they have a good variety of starting spots.
>>318762012
Chaos because I'm a edgy faggotand Skaven aren't in the game
MHU DICK
>entire section of map is for DLC faction
BUT ITS A WAY TO MAKE DESIGNERS USEFUL IN FREE TIME!!!
>happy goblin merchant.jpeg
>>318762012
Vampire Counts.
Fucking love me some bloodline management, hopefully all vampire bloodlines will be possible.
I'm real close to pre-ordering this shit right the fuck now.
>>318762709
A single faction of Chaos is DLC. Chaos Warriors. There will be probably or two other Chaos factions playable.
I wanted to pass on the game since they seem to go for yet another outrageous DLC policy but the content of this video gave me a serious nerd-boner.
I may pre order it after all
>>318763382
Nnoo, atleast not in release
>>318763382
One empire, greenskin, vampire and dwarf faction are all that's going to be playable at release without DLC
With Chaos Warriors DLC you unlock a Chaos faction
And then they'll probably release additional DLCs unlocking Bretonnia and other stuff.
>>318757205
Rome II gameplay demo looked amazing.
>>318762012
Empire
Always love to see things from the human perspective in fantasy settings and I have a massive hard on for the sort of early modern, renaissance German aesthetic.
I can't fucking wait for theSkaven expansionSNIK !SNIIIIK !
>>318762012
my favorite factions are Greenskins, Chaos and Empire. I will probably start with Chaos and play as Archeon the Everchosen, burning down the Old World for the dark gods.
>>318762012
DWARVES
>>318762012
Vampire cunts, i would play Lizardmen or Dank Elves but they aren't in the game.
>>318757205
>Bretonnia
I can give less than half a shit unless they add vampire counts and skaven into the game
>>318764309
If you watch the fucking video you'll see that the vampire counts are in.
>>318757205
>vampire counts can change the terrain
I love this shit so much
Most hyped i've been for a game since Red dead redemption
>>318764846
I love how the terrainchanges depending on who controls it, the ground becomes all rotten and the plants wither and die when the vampire counts control the city it belongs to, the greenskins put up their own shit all over a city or fort when they take it. I wonder how the terrain will change when Chaos invade, if there wil be like floating islands and the ground is all torn and twisted.
Just imagining my plucky 560ti trying to handle this is giving me a fever. Finally a reason to upgrade, I guess.
>>318762012
Vampire counts if the undead mechanics are done properly otherwise the empire or bretonnia if they are playable.
>>318763351
dont fall for the preorder jew
remember rome 2,
>>318757205
It's lacking color in my opinion, everything s very flat and lifeless colorwise.
>>318765914
Yeah I know, but odds are I'm going to buy this anyway and I'd get an extra faction if I pre-ordered.
Probably should just wait at least closer to the launch.
>>318762012
If Bretonnia are playable they're my first choice. Otherwise, Empire.
>>318759740
It's a time travelling thing, creative assembly is travelling in time to give us this game.
>>318763772
>>318766161
>he play as humans in fantasy games
are you a pleb?
>Chaos is pre-order DLC
How nice of them to cut out 20% of the game and hold it hostage.
Shows great confidence in their product.
>>318766408
>not wanting to slay subhumans
>>318766537
Like you were going to buy it anyway.
I couldn't give a shit, WHFB hasn't had a game for 10 years and hasn't had a good one for 15. Fuck it.
Empire gameplay when
>>318757774
They are. You then can combine them into a big game if you want, or not. Whatever. So you just get whatever factions you want.
>>318758310
You saw a brief bit near the end. You get a load of quests, you go and complete them, get rewards.
>>318766693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKPw86ivR7A
Dude where the fuck have you been?
>>318766749
Not indepth though.
What if you have already captured a settlement/city before starting the quest, and the quest calls for a battle there? Do the enemy units magically appear there or does the context of the quest change
>>318766828
>implying that meme cinematic counts as gameplay
>>318766828
Odd. Mark Strong did the voice in the trailer, but not in gameplay? Odd as fuck. Strong has done voice work for Total War before and GW games.
>>318766630
>Like you were going to buy it anyway.
I don't fucking trust them.
I once pre-ordered Empire Total war and from that I learned my lesson to never pre-order a game.
How can anyone be so naive that they trust Creative Assembly of all people?
They have an abysmal record of lying about their games and having horrible launches.
Am I the only one that a bit concerned about the variety of the factions? I'm basing this on how the lore will translate into the units of the factions.
>Empire
>either jack-of-all-trades or pretty strong at cavalry
>Dwarfs
>infantry and siege
>Orks
>infantry
>Vampire counts
>infantry and cavalry
>>318766884
Yes? What is it then? All they've done is hidden the UI. You can do that in the Total War games. It shows units fighting, what more does he want?
>>318766841
I assume they're not related to cities. The final mission for Franz, for example, is to fight in Black Fire Pass, not a city. Gitsnik in that trailer above was also in Black Fire Pass. So I assume no cities/settlements will be included and if they are, they're random.
Might be best asking them on their interview thing soon.
>>318767062
You are forgetting flying units and magic.
>>318767000
Because Total War has been shit since the start, if you didn't start with Empire, you would have known that.
Look up Shogun bugs, where you couldn't enter settlements in combat or arrows didn't register.
I don't trust CA and that's why I always expect them to make buggy games cause SEGA force release dates. Shogun 2 being pretty bug free was a major outlier, which is why you memeing newfags went out and bought Rome 2. Not saying you did, but that's why it's fucking stupid.
>>318762215
>best aesthetic
>Not Dwarves
>>318767171
Of course they will have some special units somewhere and all of them have magic. But I'm talking about the general strengths and weaknesses of the factions.
>>318767062
Look at it this way, all the historical games had 6 skeleton types. Infantry, Horses, Camels, Dogs, Siege Engines and Elephants. Warhammer has 36 (last number I read). So it's more depth than width.
You should look up the models. It's also Orcs, not Orks. They have giant spiders, goblins (also on Spiders), Wolf Cav, Boar Cav, Wyverns, Trolls etc. Vampire Counts have skeletons, zombies, black carriages, varghiests, zombie dragons, terrorgiests and so on.
>>318767062
Orcs and VC have both really different playstyle and gimmicks but it's true that Darwes and Empire feel a bit samey. The only thing that differenciate them is that Empire uses cavalry.
Also, chaos looks promising with big monsters.
>>318757205
It's fucking beautiful, to think how different Total War can be when it's not restricted by history.
>>318764846
I really hope this passes on to the army battles with concrete effects
Fight on territory that's gone full death magic corruption and you have to deal with random pockets of low tier ai undead allied to the vamps and/or dead soldiers rising up as zombies after a set period forcing you to try and end the fight fast.
>>318767281
So you agree with me that CA can't be trusted to deliver on launch?
Then why are you defending holding 20% of the game hostage when you can't count on the game even working as it should?And the first total war game I owned was Medieval 1, btw
>>318767543
Dwarfs won't be able to use magic at all, and if they play anything like the tabletop then their artillery and ranged weapons will be the best in the game. If they incorporate shieldwalls, a good dwarf gunline is going to be killy as fuck.
>>318767681
Medieval 1 was buggy as fuck. People attacking you from across the map because reasons, Pope being a dick, getting negative relationship cause you defend yourself from Christfags.
And the "can't be trusted to deliver on launch" is something I've come to accept is a thing and while if this was historical, I'd wait, I can't for Warhammer, sorry man. 15 years is too long.
As for holding it hostage, yes, it's a bullshit move, but not unsurprising, if you truly played since ME1 you'd know than from Empire onwards (see; after SEGA had purchased them) they ALWAYS have done preorder bonuses.
1. Empire was Special Unit Pack (HMS Victory, Rangers etc)
2. Napoleon was European Specials (Grand Battery)
3. Shogun 2 was a clan pack
4. Rome 2 was Sparta
This is the same fucking thing. Yes, it's bullshit, but this is what SEGA does. Look at what they did to DoW2 a few weeks ago, they gave out free map DLC's, which was great, then put a "extra blood" DLC for $3 or something on sale.
Why? Cause SEGA can and they know idiots will attack the developer, not them.
>>318768031
>dwarfs
>no magic
Dwarfs have rune magic and the anvil of doom bruh
This feels like history has become to routine and stale for them and now they are having some and enthusiasm again.
>>318763718
it's amazing how fast idiots here forget things like that
>>318768350
>rome2 game demo
>didn't show the campaign map
On the other hand Attila did show campaign map features
>>318768350
Or you were an idiot you only got into Total War when Rome 2 came out.
Notice the number on this webm? Don't make me do it bro.
>>318767062
Orks are also more resistant then humans, I guess the basic units of count vampires will be weaker than humans but in greater numbers and probably cheaper/free etc.
Dwarfs have no cavalry at all so they are a very static/defensive faction.
>>318762012
Dwarf and then Lizardmen when the expansions are out
Guys what the hell do I do for 5 months? Vermintide already got boring but I need my Warhammer Fantasy fix.
One of the worst cut and shove rips off of 2015 content wise, and that's up against some fucking amazing competition. Congtatz!
Even GW has killed off Warhammer Fantasy, sadly time to do the same with Total War. Zero pleasure in writing that but it's true.
lol why are those skyrim guys in the game
>>318768676
Mordheim is pretty fun
will I be able to make a tercio with empire units? I think they have gunner units in the tabletop game, but I don't know how that works.
Why the fuck would you buy any total war games after Rome 2?
You people never fucking learn.
>>318768127
Runes are just buffing equipment. The Anvil is the only thing even approaching proper spells they have.
>>318768772
>>318768464
They might have Gyrocopters/bombers.
>>318768059
>Why? Cause SEGA can and they know idiots will attack the developer, not them.
Yeah, but any grown up knows that anyone who has to take the flak for shit decisions at work wasn't responsible for them in the first place.
But the people who complain are the ones who still care. Don't think there isn't a silent mass who've already walked away.
>>318768059
Nothing you've said gives me any reason to pre-order it though.
In fact, it's the exact opposite.
The Pre-order bullshit is getting worse and worse and will continue until consumers stop being idiots.
I'll get my cake and eat it and pirate the game at launch and buy it when I know it's good.
Dodged a real bullet with Rome 2 that way.
waitaminute
did CA LEARN something from the god awful launches of R2 and previous games. Or will this just more lying promotional material?
>>318769045
Attila was actually really good
>>318769045
you faggots don't care either way, Attila was good and Rome 2 was patched extensively.
just pirate the damn thing.
>>318769045
Pretty sure most game devs have learned from the launch of Arkham Knight that now they can get punished for releasing shit.
>>318769039
Look lets assume that even for a second that Chaos is 20% of the game which they hold hostage, however that 80% which you are getting is going to last you a long time. You might not even need or use that 20%
>buy it when I know it's good.
What if the game is good at launch?
>>318769045
Could be that the B team got Rome 2 while the A team was doing this
>>318769039
The hilarity of that approach with Total War games is: by the time they go on sale, say a year on +, is when they actually work. You're better of waiting no matter what
Wonder why there is so much of a push to twist peoples arms into pre ordering... hmmm
>>318768916
Those are probably late game stuff, you won't have it available for a while.
>>318768916
They showed the gyrocopters in one of the battle gameplay videos.
>>318769272
>I only played rome2
>>318769521
Shogun 2 suffered form pretty bad optimization at launch too. Nothing like Rome 2 tho, but still.
>>318769521
>Guilty until proven innocent now
>>318769251
>Look lets assume that even for a second that Chaos is 20% of the game which they hold hostage, however that 80% which you are getting is going to last you a long time.
I'm not paying full price for 80% of a game, anon.
Especially not when the part removed is Chaos.
>What if the game is good at launch?
Then I wait until whatever price they are looking for is below the pre-order price.
>People ITT keeping reffering to Orcs as "Orks"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>318769251
>Look lets assume that even for a second that Chaos is 20% of the game which they hold hostage, however that 80% which you are getting is going to last you a long time. You might not even need or use that 20%
Cool! TW franchise, with a product heavily reliant on an IP where a DLC faction is central. Now only a 20% scam!
Sign me up!!
>>318769521
>>318768463
I don't understand why previous games having minor or mayor bugs would somehow invalidate what happened with Rome 2.
If anything it shows that they are incapable of learning from their mistakes.
>>318769752
attila has an excellent launch
>>318770012
No, its because a bunch of youtube tier comments whine about how CA never learns when they have been steadily adding new features into total war games since med2.
>>318768676
Only other fantasy game out recently is Mordheim. So I suggest pirating Warhammer: Mark of Chaos + Expansion, Warhammer: Shadow of the Horned Rat and Warhammer: Dark Omen.
Dark Omen is better cause you don't get fucked over as much. Shadow of the Horned Rat requires a walkthrough to find the magic items in each map which are hidden.
>>318768824
Because the last Warhammer Fantasy RTS was 2006 with Mark of Chaos (goat trailer/intro btw, link related; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3pOljQqvX8 ) and the last GOOD RTS was Dark Omen in like 2001.
>>318768931
Blame SEGA, that's all I'm saying. CA are kept to a budget and time schedule. There is a reason Rome 2 came out being shit (thou I didn't actually encounter any bugs of any merit) and Attila didn't. Whenever CA has done a big game (Empire, Rome 2, Rome, ME2) it has always been way more buggy than their smaller, more compact games. Look at Napoleon, it was so much better than Empire and had a new engine too, or modified. Look at Shogun 2. Then look at how bigger the game, the more bugs. But this isn't the historical team making this one, so it might be better.
>>318769039
I'm not trying to get you to preorder. If you don't trust them, don't get it. But I would suggest you don't attack people who are willing to let it slide this once, like I am. If it's shit, then it won't get sales for the next two standalone Warhammer titles and SEGA will lose me for Dawn of War 3.
>>318769251
Well, no. If anything, this is the B team doing this. The original release was that the team who made Alien: Isolation was going to be joined by certain veteran members of the Total War development team and new guy were hired for Total War team. With the idea that Total War (Historical) continued development (Age of Charlemange for example and possibly ME3) without being impacted on by Warhammer and thus more guys would be experienced in making them.
>>318768916
They do.
>>318769850
40kiddies need to die in a massive WAAAAGH!!!
>>318769804
>Then I wait until whatever price they are looking for is below the pre-order price.
And you accuse that Game Workshop if being unreasonable.
>>318758219
I want it to be something that gradually increases over a couple of turns.
Like how a city you've just taken calms down over time? If you take it, you put up some rudimentary new decor, and then each turn for the next ____ more goes up.
So it starts with defaced statues, then new flags and some structures, then eventually its ork in all but foundations.
hype rising desu
I hope its more like attila in terms of difficulty and complexity and less like other warscape games, hopefully the poor attila sales and ratings havent dissuaded CA
>>318770042
Probably, but I waited until the Steam sale a few days back to buy it and will be trying it out next weekend. Guilty until proven otherwise
Will be waiting a lot longer though for Warhammer even if it works, for reasons just about everyone else has posted. Games in general now have becomes too much of a con.
>>318770012
I could go into it, but I won't. The reason is this.
SEGA has forced CA to add more and more shit tot heir Total War games to make it sell. For example, look at Rome 2. They added provences and admin slots and so on. They even said you would be able to change weapons on units if you researched them (the example they used was researching cavalry swords before the Romans actually introduced them near the end of the Empire) but that never happened, I suspect it was dropped to be in Warhammer, since Warhammer has many units which are the same, but with different weapon loadouts. The fact that it was not picked up on by moaners of CA goes to show it worked, but I'm just pointing it out now. Heh.
Anyway, so, while they've learnt, they've not been given additional time or money to be able to manage these demands. That has only just changed since last year I believe, when they've now got two major development teams, not one. SEGA controls the purse strings, not CA, and CA are forced to release shit, regardless. Look at Witcher 3, it had no publisher, so they were allowed to delay it twice and it was better off for it. CA can't do that. If SEGA say, as they have done with Warhammer, it's out on 28th April, then it has to be feature complete in January and then you get 4 months (well, technically it's 3 months usually, but hope eh?) to bug hunt and then at the start of April, you Gold it and send it off to be packaged.
>>318770217
How is 'Not wanting to pay full price for an incomplete game' unreasonable?
How can you defend something this anti-consumer?
How are any of us gaining anything from this horrible practice?
>>318770187
>Blame SEGA,
I do! I believe you on the balance of probabilities, but if you think I'm going to support this madness with my money on the off chance that the devs 'are great guys' you've gone mad.
>>318770643
Because first you say you are going to pirate the game and only buy it when it's good
But then if it is good then you will wait until it gets a price drop, how is that reasonable?
>How can you defend something this anti-consumer?
Because I'm just not bothered by it, if that has something to do with the fact that I don't have a PC that can't play it is unknown to me.
>>318770643
>incomplete game
what, preordering or buying chaos allows you to play as them, otherwise they are still gonna be on the map instead of norsca being a black hole.
>>318770664
Sensible. But I'm happy not to. Warhammer Fantasy needs a good RTS and I've wanted this since Shogun came out. It's worth it, for me. If they pull this off, even if it's buggy, then I don't care. If they can get the feel of it, make the units feel suitably different (and if 36 is the right number of unique skeletons, then that should be OK) then they'll get my money for the next two games and DoW3.
>>318770643
Because there isn't enough backlash to stop it. SEGA basically came out to the complainers and went "It's not as simple as ticking a box, the Chaos Warriors faction requires more work to actually play, so suck it, preorder, or don't". Which was stupid. They should have learnt from Square Enix, who pulled the preorder bonuses for DX:MD due to backlash. But SEGA are Jews.
It's a real fucking shame, but, just like Rome 2 had Sparta as the preorder DLC, so will this have DLC. Perhaps they'll learn one day, perhaps not. All I can suggest is to keep complaining. Me? I honestly have to look past it, as I've said, Mark of Chaos was the last WHFB RTS and it wasn't very good. I am cancer, but I'm willing to be cancer for this.
>>318770973
>Because first you say you are going to pirate the game and only buy it when it's good.
When I know it's good and when I don't have to pay extra.
I'd happily pay the full asking price for a complete game. Did so with Vermintide and was not disappointed.
>Because I'm just not bothered by it, if that has something to do with the fact that I don't have a PC that can't play it is unknown to me.
This is a blight on the entire industry, anon. Unless all you play is indies.
>what, preordering or buying chaos allows you to play as them, otherwise they are still gonna be on the map instead of norsca being a black hole.
They are not playable.
In the complete game they are playable.
Therefore it is incomplete.
>>318770042
playing WRE on legendary has become the absolute height of the TW series for me, and i started with shogun 1 a decade and a half ago.
>>318771606
last part was for >>318771001
>>318771508
>Sensible
You too I guess. I think you're attitude is why things have been allowed to get this bad in the first place, but it's your money as it is mine and I respect that.
Hopefully there will be better handled releases in the future. I'm still going to pass on this one.
>>318771606
>When I know it's good and when I don't have to pay extra.
But what if the game only costs so much as it does right now on steam (in Europe it's 60 Euro) because the price tag includes chaos? Like the game itself is 50 or 55 Euro then Chaos is another 5.
And like I said somehow I'm just not bothered by the blight, and I hardly play any Indies.
I haven't even played Rome2 yet...
>shitpost-light thread with reasonable discussions on /v/
>about an upcoming game among all things.
HUMAN SACRIFICE, DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER, MASS HYSTERIA !
>>318772026
There are some topics that you can actually discuss on /v/, oddly enough.
>>318772026
Threads about tactical or strategy games are usually civil
>>318771889
>But what if the game only costs so much as it does right now on steam (in Europe it's 60 Euro) because the price tag includes chaos?
It doesn't.
Chaos warriors cost extra. Otherwise there would be no point in calling it pre-order DLC
>>318772146
But they don't always get replies
>mfw I tried to get /v/ to teach me how I into industrialisation in Victoria 2
>Nobody replied
Nobody knows how to into industrialisation in Victoria 2
>>318772326
Victoria 2 is 2complex4me
who gives a shit about campaign map gameplay wheres the actual gameplay.
>>318772326
That's when you go to the general
>>318772407
Map gameplay is actually 3/4 of a total war game. It's pretty important for it to be good.
>>318772326
>industrialization
its simple
you buy grain for alcohol, use state capitalism to build factories and encourage workers to work there
>>318772407
What a pleb. Campaign map is the bulk of it. Why dont you just google battle gameplay as there is 2 battles
>>318771787
I agree with your stance, normally I would abide by it. But this is one exception. Even if I didn't preorder it, I'd still get the DLC.
>>318772326
Viccy 2 is GOAT.
>>318772407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK0BMkKmwB4
>I'm too lazy to search, please, rape my face
>>318772634
I tend to play as Serbia in the game so I have grain and coal for alcohol and bottles. But even I get Montinegro, Bosnia, southern Serbia and parts of Croatia with factories all over the place I still didn't up a world power.
And when a war happens (even one I'm not fighting) the economy just plummets and if I don't substantiate my factories they all shut down.
Stop complaining! DLC SHOULD NOT BE FREE! Pre-Order Warhammer like me! :)
This is going to be a long rant to all the dlc whiners and people hating on CA. I am going to start by saying people are so overly entitled. Why does everyone think that they should get Chaos for free. Do they think that the cost to make chaos was free and they should not have to pay for someone elses work? I can assure you there was a production cost for it. I geuss everyone should get total war warhammer for free right? "No one should have to pay for anything" "Who cares what the production cost is I want that and I will tell you how much I want it for"
I don't understand why people would hate on dlc unless they are just overly entitled, 12 years old and don't have a job, 30 years old and don't have a job, or just stupid. Everything good in this world cost money and your pist about dlc in a video game that probaly cost 5 to 7 dollars. There are much worse scams out there that you should be worried about. You are getting scammed in other ways that you don't even realize. Every company needs to make money so they can survive. Atleast CA is giving us a unique game that has hundreds if not thousands of hours of content you can enjoy even without the chaos faction. And you can still fight against chaos if you dont get it. You should be thankful they are offering it in an expansion instead of charging more for the game.
Yes old total war games did not have dlc because they are not near as much in depth. Don't try to tell me Rome I is better than Rome II. Its not unless you have a bad computer. And speaking of computers why complain about $5 dlc when computers cost thousands of dollars if you want to run the game on quality setting. I am sorry but if you dont have a job then maybe you should spend less time complaining about the gaming and get a job. This game is going to get horrible reviews regardless of how good it is just because of all the whiners complaining about dlc.
>>318773369
I like dlc because it keeps games alive and keeps the developers focusing on the same game and putting more depth into the game. Listen people every game that is good quality just like every other luxury in life cost money. Maybe its not ideal but it is the way the world works. You get overcharged for everything you buy. No one wants to take a loss on something they sell you in life and thats the same things total war is doing. Your honestly being just as greedy by saying you are going to pirate/steal a game, that is definately worse and doesn't help anyone. Most of there haters are just people who like to hate and are not even really total war fans.
These games do not have the best launches because it is hard to make a game of this complexity and depth perfectly. Sandbox games like total war are much harder to make than scripted games. There are a lot more factors and they need a lot of people to play it and test so they can get feedback and then fix the game and make it better. Whether you like it or not dlc is what makes these games better. Look at Rome II for example it had a disastrous launch but over time they fixed it through patches and put more features into the game to make it better and a very fun game to play today. The Augustus Campaign for example was great and a great improvement. Why do people want total war to die and have to hate on it regardless of what they do. People just love to complain about someting to make themselves feel better. I could go on about this topic forever due to the frustration total war haters and entitled people make me feel, but I am ending it here. I am not telling you to pre-order the game but I will say I pre-ordered it and fully support what they are doing. You can't just look at it from the consumers perspective, you have to look at the developers point of view too before you start complaining.
>>318773468
They have cost too and are running a business were if they don't make money total war will die and there will not be any more total war games for you to play.
Remember this guys: You must put into to this game to get things out of this game. This concept also applies to almost everything else in life. Have a nice day.
>tfw you remember why you avoid the steam forums
>>318773369
>:)
You should have put it in the end.
Nice pasta tho.
>>318773686
There's more where that came from.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/364360/discussions/0/490125103618089239/
Devereux is a magical man.
So I just realized something
>Armies traveling through the Chaos Wastes suffer attrition and possible corruption
>This means other terrains will suffer from effects
>This means you'll likely suffer from attrition in Sylvania and eventually Nehekhara
>Vamps might get the opposite with their armies growing in size as they spend time there
Would be a nice touch to give the vamps an in built defensive power considering they start with the least territory and a ton of animosity from other factions
>>318757205
meh
>>318757205
Campaign map reminds me of Age of Wonders.
>>318773369
>>318773468
>>318773648
Did you guys get on skype before setting these posts up?
>>318773369
And just when the thread was in danger of ending in a civil fashion...
Honestly, would you behave like that at home?
>>318774136
What makes you think it's not just one guy
>>318774136
Question is: I wonder what 'side' he's really on here. Is he trolling for the game, or against? Or just trying to keep the 4chan post count up or a laugh?
It's hard to tell these days. Ever wonder whether or not we'd be better off going back to a shop and buying a nice shoe box with a game and a big thick, fun to read manual inside.
>have R9 270X
Attila has incredibly mediocre perfomance compared to Rome 2, but I'm about to upgrade from a FX 4100 to a 8350 so hopefully it will make some kind of difference.
>>318768676
call of warhammer 1.6 gonna be out in Feb.
Honestly don't know why those slav modders keep it up now that an official title is coming.
>no Skaven
Well that's a fucking bummer.
>mfw imagining the New World map with Lizardmen and Dark Elves
MUH DICK
>>318775114
Expansions
>>318775114
It's missing a lot of old world stuff
No Skaven
No Elves (Wood or High)
No Beastmen
No Chaos Dwarves
No Kislev (as far as I could tell)
>>318775114
Good chances that they will be part of the first expansion seeing how popular they are
>>318775212
>Lizardmen
You mean SERAPHONS anon ? ;^)
>>318775114
>>318775489
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-12-03-total-war-developer-disheartened-by-pre-order-dlc-reaction
If the expansions don't add Kislev I'll fucking riot.
>>318770216
Last I checked, Warhammer 40k is the same universe as Warhammer and both games refer to them as Orks and Greenskins.
Also, you're retarded if you don't like both.
Oh god imagine when the game and all the expansions are finally released.
Why wouuld someone ever need to play the tabletop again?
>>318775924
They're not the same universe.
>>318757774
What two other games?
>>318775813
>If the expansions don't add Kislev I'll fucking riot.
I always forget that this existed at some point.No one cares
>>318775924
>both games refer to them as Orks
No you newfag,
WHFB Greenskins are called Orcs. I bet you entered the hoby with AOS.
>>318775924
Although that was implied in the fluff in years gone by, post 'sigmarines' End Times, the divorce is final between fantasy and 40k
inb4 someone pulls out a dozen
hardback rule scans to prove otherwise
>>318776076
This Total War x Warhammer is planned as 3 games. The other two will be standalone expansions aka their own thing that you can pair with the main one.
They will expand the map, but likely if you don't own the first game you won't be able to access that part of the map.
>>318770604
That's a neat story and all but while i sympathize it's a hard interaction between publishers and developers the end result is that you and i are consumers. In the end it was still a product sold completely on lies and end up scamming a lot of people. We live in a consumer - product relationship. The affairs of publishers and developers are between them, their contract and the law.
>>318776175
AOS has never happend, I refuse to aknowledge it !
>>318772880
That's what happens when you play an experienced player nation as a fucking rookie
go play France or UK to learn the game first nigger
>>318776579
But how can I play as anything but homeland when given the chance?
>>318776035
>>318776175
I've been out of the loop because RL bullshit. It's really confirmed they aren't the same universe? That's fucking gay.
>>318776085
How about I paint my cock green and ram it into your dwarf tunnel?
>>318774084
I thought the same thing
How is Total War for a first timer? Seems a little in depth but I'm sure I'd get the hang of it. What're your opinions?
>>318775343
Kislev is in there as a province at least.
Hope they have unique tech
>>318776836
because if you play as anything but homeland you won't need to go on a mongolian throat singing forum to ask how to industrialize
>>318778263
>in depth
Not really
>>318762012
dorfs because I am a proud scotsman
>>318778263
>Seems a little in depth
Here is what you do:
>play orcs
>point them at the enemy
>WHAAAAAAAGH
>>318778263
It's easy once you play a couple of hours
Buy Shogun II or Rome II on sale if you want an intro to the series.
Holy fuck i don't think my toaster 760 will handle this.
>>318778263
You get used to it quickly once you learn the basic mechanics and realize that Hammer and Anvil is the most overpowered thing ever in the history of mankind, no matter the period.
Followed closely by bringing in more cannons that your enemy.
can someone explain to me why they changed the city management they had back in rome total war 1 to this shit?
>>318780071
One thing I hope about this is that the introduction of monsters and magic will break the hammer and anvil strategy
>>318757205
So, can we all agree that after Atila and fixing Rome 2, and now this, our trust in Creative Assembly has been restored?
>>318782315
What I don't understand is how people reacted so strongly when they make releases like Rome 2's ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
I guess there was just a fuckton of newfags that weren't there for... well, a fuckton of newfags that hadn't played TW games before.
>>318782315
Rome 2 is still shit
Attila is a big improvement though
You should never trust a developer either way
>>318780098
Rome 1 and medieval 2 city management is garbage desu senpai
>>318782712
Rome 2 is at least playable now. I don't feel awful that I spent 60 bucks on it. There's a lot of devs, especially nowadays, that'd just not fix anything. It's a solid 7/10 now.
>>318780098
>>318782725
Both are shit desu lads
M2/R1 not being completely retarded and limiting you to having the same tax rate in Baktria and Britannia or having a maximum of 6 buildings is balanced by the fact building actually kinda takes planning or thought in Attila.
More than anything I'd like a balance between the two desu friends
>>318778808
>760
>toaster
What are you smoking? My 760 runs Attila on high at 40ish fps; I think it will be fine. Hopefully Pascal will be out around that time so I can upgrade and run it on max settings.
Looks good.
Day 1 pirate.
I'll pick up the entire trilogy later down the line on sale.
Fuck CA.
>>318757205
Do I still have to preorder to unlock cut content? If yes then day 1 pirate
>>318782665
Rome 2 had the bigger marketing campaign though. And considering all the bullshit they said about the game, the AI, gameplay, etc., when you compare to the final product, it's not hard to understand a lot of people sees CA as cancer. I'm one of them. I can't believe in any pre-release material from them ever agian, no matter how believeable it may be. Rome 2 gave everyone a valuable lesson.
>>318766408
>>318775795
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Pretty much sponsored content
>>318766630
Add another vote for 'not pre ordering this shit'
And yes, was most definintly going to buy this game before that announcement. Oddly enough now, no.
>>318783258
At least with this they've already stated that leading up to release there will be a lot of livestreams and content produced by youtubers. So gamebreaking bugs and obvious design flaws aren't going to happen at least.
Plus the whole chaos shitstorm is beyond stupid since they've already stated that it was either gonna happen as dlc now or as part of an expansion 2 years from now due to budgeting.
>>318768059
And as before: it's a shame if it's down to the publishers, but don't expect us to pay for a bad contractual hook up continually. Gaming industry bad practice isn't our concern. In fact we've been pretty tolerant over the years but the golden goose has well and truly been fucked to death now.
I think you'll find the customers have really had enough of this shit of late.
>>318757205
Ok, I wasn't very hyped for this before. I am now extremely hyped.
This games Day 1 DLC is pretty fucking bad
Hope you faggots aren't supporting it.
>map will expand with expansions
Nice, I was worried that each expansion would contain their own map and fragment the whole thing. I wonder how they'll implement Dork and High Elves.
>>318784198
Fucking this
Everything was going perfect until this DLC announcement.
They could cut any other faction (Chaos Dwarves/Skaven/some-specific-chaos-god-cult).
Not fucking MOST IMPORTANT faction that actually WON The Game.
Vamps could be neutral-until-DLC just fine but not fucking Chaos.
THE VERY FIRST TRAILER IS ABOUT CHAOS
After Rome2 and Empire everyone should be wary of CA potential fuck up.
Especially when they have hostages of this caliber.
>>318778263
Start with Shogun 2 for the price of a burger. Don't worry if you are totally phased at first, as you will be. Keep playing until you figure out some tactics that work for you.
There's a learning curve but like most things in life that take effort it is worth it.
>>318782315
Since we can finally upgrade and put walls onto cities again, after like 5 or 6 fucking games without it, sure. When we see more gameplay with the charges fixed, because the last time we saw gameplay they still weren't Attila-tier, it will be great.
>>318784372
Now let's be wary about the 'impartiality' of Youtubers and rent a NEET streamers. While some are better than others there is always an incentive for them to be friendly with a product.
That doesn't mean they do not have a place, but you should show caution there.
>>318785003
I was hoping on playing Skaven but even I can see the logic in not having them as a core faction. But to day 1 DLC any of them, and Chaos as well! Fuck this.
>>318785792
The worst part is that you can see in new video many "unplanned" provinces for Chaos and guy even stops to cover its effects.
How can you be more obvious that they were cut?
>>318785454
I feel like this is getting less true with every big bad release. Yeah a lot of guys will still call it the holy grail of gaming for $50 but more people are willing to just give the company their middle finger for blacklisting or including stuff like good reviews only in their contract.
Mostly because the really big reviewers now have enough industry clout that if they are blacklisted then a few hundred thousand kids are gonna not buy the game.
>>318786084
we always knew NPC Chaos would be in the base game
PLAYABLE Chaos being pre-order DLC is bullshit, yes, but they didn't show anything we didn't already know
>>318786268
I know this
BUT
There is like one Warhammer game where Chaos was seen on battlefield and not outright available to play as.
I can't recreate any possible reasoning process that would leave large areas only to be used by AI and without possible player input from start.
Not when they add Dwarves and Vampires as playable.
>>318772146
AOE2 being the exception now, unfortunately.
>>318785003
>Not fucking MOST IMPORTANT faction
They may be the most important in the lore, but that doesn't mean they are the most important in every piece of media that stems from it. For example, Vermintide does just fine without any significant Chaos presence.
Total War is a sandbox game. No faction is more important than another as there is no progressing narrative other than the one you forge.
Not to mention, that much like Bretonnia, they were going to be present in the game regardless. Just not as a playable, fully fleshed out faction.
>>318757205
This looks really good, like they put a ton of effort into it
If the other factions have these kind of unique elements we're in for a treat.
That said my only concern will be the difficulty and how the AI handles the neq gameplay elements
>>318785220
shogun 2 is nice, but it's probably the hardest tw i ever played. i still haven't beaten it on the highest difficulty.
>>318787102
>Vermintide
Gee
I guess on map that is size of a town, we will not find any demon altars.
>>318785003
Reminder that in the player-voted-on pre-official-End-Times-End Times, Greenskins won, so GW had to retcon it and make actual End Times
it was still hilarious to have a Warboss show up in the middle of the climactic battle and punch Archaon in the dick
>>318787519
It was Grimgor wasn't it? GW made it look like a cheap shot because they have to shit on orcs even when they win.
>>318767281
>playing as snownigger subhumans
I identified your problem.
>subterranean ambush battles
>>318784765
I already preordered 5 copies for me and a few friends that were on the fence. Sorry, anon.
>>318757205
reminder that the total game with all DLC jewry calculated will probably cost around $300
>>318762012
Bretonnia if available if not Chaos.
>>318787986
>Implying its crusader kings II
>>318787986
>I'll buy it in spite of this
>I'll probably end up buying all the DLC
>>318787321
Have you played Attila? Some of the factions are fucking brutal to play as.
>>318787964
How?
>>318787975
In the end
you couldn't win against dick
>>318788228
>use Underways as Dorfs or Gobbies
>other faction hero with high enough Awareness is nearby
>your Evasion isn't high enough
>get caught and have to fight in the Underways
>>318788127
Not waiting when their incoming incompetence will saturate the game with bugs and GOTY version with all DLC will be available for half the price.
/v/ - Good Goys
>>318787321
Shogun 2 is easy once you learn that ninjas are broken and can stunlock stacks, also the battle ai is kinda shit
Now Attila on the other hand was hard as fuck which makes me think warhams will be ezmode
>>318788343
See, I didnt get that part, can you use tunnels anywhere or do you have to be in dorf territories?
>>318788621
that part is more unclear
>chaos not included in base game
can't tell if that's genius or retarded. edgelord chaosfags make up a good 2/3 of GW players.
>>318757205
I could feel my toaster struggling just watching the video, but goddamn that looks good. Glad it was greenskins too, it's the faction I'm most looking forward to.
I may be starting to feel some hype building.
>>318789097
its included if you buy before launch, then you can refund it if you dont like it, or if you dont want to risk the 2 hour limit simply keep it without playing and see reviews on youtube, you will be able to see if the game runs on your machine anyway.
I don't really see much on the campaign map that you control for the economy which makes me a bit sad. Attila went all out on economic management which made it so good, this looks like a step back though. Might just have been because green skin
>>318789459
I spent at least 2 hours on launching Empire to see an actual battle.
Their mind tricks won't work on me.
>>318762012
Dwarves, full gunpowder too. Cannons and blunderbusses, I am gonna light up the night sky.
>>318789524
You see the income from the dwarven capital when he captures it, it was like +600 and his total income per turn was like -7000.
I dont think greenskins are good for economy and will have to rely on the free stacks from the waagh effect, that or they have to use that raiding camp thingy
maybe they should fix that fucking piece of shit attila first
>>318789524
considering greenskin currency is teef, it makes sense that they wouldn't really have a traditional strategy game economy
>>318789783
Of course, I didn't start to shitposting about dumbing down the economy because idiots cant run an empire.
Just expressing doubt
>>318789632
except you can see a battle within 5 minutes of launching the game through custom battles, so stop bullshitting, if you want to pirate pirate dont seek peer acceptance to feel better about it, no one cares
>>318789843
What's wrong with Attila?
What did you think of the campaign map?
http://strawpoll.me/5025531
>>318790235
buggy unoptimized garbage, pumping out DLC packs that were finished before release, making you pay for blood in battles, making you pay for blood in battles in the charlemagne DLC (DLC FOR YOUR DLC), half the barbarian warriors being female
sega runs another good franchise into the fucking ground
>>318790238
Italian
Elves aren't in the game at launch?
Pity, I wanna play as a bunch of tree hugging murder savages.
>>318790581
False
Vikings is punping out?
true
false (this isnt a paradox game)
false
anything else?
